What you need: Oil change pump: amzn.to/3j1TnKy Alternative oil pump: amzn.to/3ld20Uu (I used to use this style, they work great but are slower than the Jabsco one) Some kind of socket set that has a 10mm, 5/8 deep socket, long extensions and a Phillips screwdriver (I'm not even sure what brand to suggest anymore, I love my old craftsman tools but the quality doesn't seem quite the same anymore, and the new cases are dumb, but that's a story for another day) This set would be similar to mine, but is 11 years newer and has a dumb case with no extra storage: amzn.to/2SIsYpZ (These links may be affiliate links, which earn me a small commission at no additional cost to you if you choose to purchase from them)
Excellent! Draining that intake is essential, I've seen many a engine go from easily repairable to broken beyond repair. Figured I needed to share that insight so I might be able to see less totalled engines!
They are designed incredibly well as far as intake pathing, it's not often that water seems to get inside the engines of the newer Yamahas, but when it does boy can it be catastrophic. Glad you got yours sorted and can get back to enjoying the water!
Better to know and not need it than need it and not know! Hopefully you never sink your ski, but now you know what to do if it does happen, or if a friend sinks their ski!
I'm wondering....how do you sink a PWC? I've pre-ordered a Yamaha WaveRunner and it's my first one. Other than the drain plugs, I thought these things were nearly impossible to sink.
I have been asking that question ever since I started my business working on them. What I have seen most often happen aside from drain plugs getting left out is people taking turns slowly and not bailing off when the ski starts to flip over, or exceeding the weight/passenger capacity and the ski flips over and then they let it sit upside down because they don't know how to flip it back upright or they flip it over but try to get all their riders exceeding the capacity back on while there is still water in the hull and it turns over again. If you ride within the capacity and if you feel in danger of flipping over jump off, put your drain plugs in and generally aren't being ridiculous, you'll never sink one. I've forgotten drain plugs once on my personal ski, and other than that I've got hundreds of hours across my ski and tons of customers skis and friends skis and have only ever sunk mine with the drain plugs that one time the same year I bought it, now I double and triple check those plugs!
There are 2 other videos of mine that would be VERY applicable, as 161 is a RiDE malfunction if I recall properly, and would make sense with reverse not functioning. I *_think_* code 161 is an issue with the levers on the handlebars, which would be this video: ruclips.net/video/M6assGTx-Dc/видео.html if those wires are all good, then you could pull the RiDE motor out and test it, which is this video: ruclips.net/video/-D_Cq7-J6Eg/видео.html
So, any thoughts on a 2020 Vx limited ( I have less than 30 hours on both) that's running the TR-1 motor. One ski - It bogs when I give it throttle. I took it to a shop, and they 'replaced the spark plugs' and did a compression test. Said they lake tested it. It rough idles at around 300-1000 (depends), when you full throttle vs the other ski, it's *much* slower. It bogs when you give it throttle. Sometimes it sits there, trying to thottle, then kind of spurts a bit and after it hits like 10-15 mph it hits almost full throttle like it's being held back. Back in the day, I had screws to turn, I could adjust things. Now? From what I understand it's all computer based adjustment. The shop I took it to - they have no idea wtf they are talking about as it does this constantly the first few minutes after starting. Same day I got from shop. $160 later, I'm not going back there so now I'm researching other places to look at. IF you got any idea wtf is happening, I'd love to hear it.
I honestly don't think half the shops and dealers have a clue what they're doing anymore. I've had people bring stuff to me where I'm the 3rd mechanic to look at a problem boat, and it ends up being a clogged fuel filter, like seriously these "factory trained technicians" seem totally incompetent. Ok, with that rant out of the way, yes you are correct, the TR1 is fully electronic, fuel injected, so there are no adjustments to make without a computer, and even then you're kinda limited as far as tuning goes, but diagnostics are much easier with the scan tool. IF the shop actually changed the spark plugs, and checked the compression with a gauge and not just sticking their finger over the hole and seeing if air blows out like I've seen other "technicians" do, then knowing you have good compression rules out most major engine issues. Was there an event that caused the ski to start these issues? filled up at an unfamiliar gas station? flipped it over in the water? 300-1000 idle makes me thing it is not running on all cylinders, usually you can tell because being down a hole will make it sound very rough. Would you be able to record a video and upload it somewhere and post a link or email it to me? tom@trythistv.com The first things I would check is compression, and spark plugs. If all the cylinders are fairly even on compression, it could be a misbehaving throttle body or electronic throttle, both of which kinda need a scan tool to diagnose.
@@trythistv I'm on it. Yea man it's WIERD. It runs fine sometimes, then sometimes not. I'm just trying to get a handle on it before summer hits again, which is why I am starting now. I'll take everything you said and look at it. I'm very technical and mechanical (mostly) so I'll do my best! Thanks again!
@@the72u7h4 knowing it runs ok sometimes I'd pull the spark plugs and inspect and see if any look vastly different, being weirdly intermittent could be a bad coil pack as well, or something as simple as a spark plug is arcing out, I've seen plugs crack, I've seen techs use the wrong plugs, or cheap plugs (get some NGK plugs that are specced on the info sticker, they're not expensive and will do you good) One trick I use to narrow down weird issues like that is put a brand new set of plugs in, and try to get it to act up for 5-10 minutes on the lake, and then pull the plugs, that way you can determine if one cylinder looks different, you can put the plugs back in the same order, and change the coil pack order, then repeat and if the problem moves its the coil pack, if it doesn't, then it isn't.
@@trythistv Hmm interesting. Ok, will do. But I gotta wait a bit since it's COLD AS BALLS HERE. lol. Once it hits maybe march I can start messing around. I can pull them out and run a hose on them (engine on first, then hose, then hose off then engine off yes I know).
Yeah, it's not warm enough that I want to spend much time on the lake here either lol, but research and direction to head in is a good use of the miserable cold winter, that way once it does warm up hopefully you'll have it running perfect all season! And you've got it for the hose! Let me know what you find, I'm curious what's going on with it!
Great video, I'm excited to check out the others that you'll have coming up! What do you think of the reliability of the TR-1 engine? I've got a deposit down on a 2021 VX Deluxe with the same motor, but have been reading on forums that the 1.8 is probably better for reliability.
I have seen more broken TR1s, But I also see more TR1s period due to their popularity. Easy to maintain, good on gas, maybe not as reliable as the ridiculous older MR1s that go thousands of hours with minimal maintenance, but I quite like the TR1 platform to be honest. Most of the TR1s I see all have 4-500 hours of rental abuse before any major failures, and by then they have been sunk multiple times and may not get the best maintenance, and you know they aren't babied at all. By far the most common failure seems to be the jet pump bearings. I've had 3 TR1 pumps blow the pump bearings apart this year. Doesn't really hurt anything, rebuild the pump and carry on. I've rarely seen actual engine failure on a TR1 (twice since yamaha started making them), and when I have, it has been always been caused by water ingestion from not pumping out the intake manifold like I show how to do in this video. The 1.8 HO engines do seem very solid, but I see far less of them because the TR1s are so popular as rentals. I haven't made a video specifically about it, but I sorta own 3 TR1 powered machines currently... all Ex-rentals all in various states of destruction I got very good deals on, 2 out of 3 had blown up pumps, one has a hole in the hull the length of my entire arm (The one in this video, that's why it sunk lol), another has a partially blown engine, it runs, but not well and oil does not stay inside the engine so that'll be an interesting one to dig into.
@@trythistv thanks for all the info! It's nice to hear from someone who has a lot of experience with them. I'll definitely be watching for more of your waverunner videos. Thanks again!
@@shaunrigby6599 I have noticed an alarming amount of jet pump failures on the TR1 machines as well. I'm not sure why, because its essentially the same pump as the MR1 and even older yamahas have used, The TR1 does spin pretty good RPM so perhaps that is related. I've also noticed a lot of the pump "nose cone/cap" on the back that seem to shatter which would let water in and destroy the bearings. Perhaps factory overfilling with grease/oil and it expands and snaps the ears off that cap?
What you need:
Oil change pump: amzn.to/3j1TnKy
Alternative oil pump: amzn.to/3ld20Uu (I used to use this style, they work great but are slower than the Jabsco one)
Some kind of socket set that has a 10mm, 5/8 deep socket, long extensions and a Phillips screwdriver (I'm not even sure what brand to suggest anymore, I love my old craftsman tools but the quality doesn't seem quite the same anymore, and the new cases are dumb, but that's a story for another day)
This set would be similar to mine, but is 11 years newer and has a dumb case with no extra storage: amzn.to/2SIsYpZ
(These links may be affiliate links, which earn me a small commission at no additional cost to you if you choose to purchase from them)
Thanks for this video! got me working again!
Excellent! Draining that intake is essential, I've seen many a engine go from easily repairable to broken beyond repair. Figured I needed to share that insight so I might be able to see less totalled engines!
Thanks for the video
Perfect bro
Thnx,mine just went upside down.Emptied out about 2 liters in the hull.
They are designed incredibly well as far as intake pathing, it's not often that water seems to get inside the engines of the newer Yamahas, but when it does boy can it be catastrophic. Glad you got yours sorted and can get back to enjoying the water!
Thanks for the great information hopfully ill never have to do this but im always prepared thats why im watching your very helpfull video.
Better to know and not need it than need it and not know! Hopefully you never sink your ski, but now you know what to do if it does happen, or if a friend sinks their ski!
I'm wondering....how do you sink a PWC? I've pre-ordered a Yamaha WaveRunner and it's my first one. Other than the drain plugs, I thought these things were nearly impossible to sink.
I have been asking that question ever since I started my business working on them. What I have seen most often happen aside from drain plugs getting left out is people taking turns slowly and not bailing off when the ski starts to flip over, or exceeding the weight/passenger capacity and the ski flips over and then they let it sit upside down because they don't know how to flip it back upright or they flip it over but try to get all their riders exceeding the capacity back on while there is still water in the hull and it turns over again.
If you ride within the capacity and if you feel in danger of flipping over jump off, put your drain plugs in and generally aren't being ridiculous, you'll never sink one.
I've forgotten drain plugs once on my personal ski, and other than that I've got hundreds of hours across my ski and tons of customers skis and friends skis and have only ever sunk mine with the drain plugs that one time the same year I bought it, now I double and triple check those plugs!
I have an EX 2019 it displays code 161 it starts but the reverse gear does not resume even if the box is new thanks bro
There are 2 other videos of mine that would be VERY applicable, as 161 is a RiDE malfunction if I recall properly, and would make sense with reverse not functioning.
I *_think_* code 161 is an issue with the levers on the handlebars, which would be this video: ruclips.net/video/M6assGTx-Dc/видео.html
if those wires are all good, then you could pull the RiDE motor out and test it, which is this video: ruclips.net/video/-D_Cq7-J6Eg/видео.html
Did not see a time stamp for George?
This one had too much water for George. He only likes dry watercrafts.
So, any thoughts on a 2020 Vx limited ( I have less than 30 hours on both) that's running the TR-1 motor. One ski - It bogs when I give it throttle. I took it to a shop, and they 'replaced the spark plugs' and did a compression test. Said they lake tested it. It rough idles at around 300-1000 (depends), when you full throttle vs the other ski, it's *much* slower. It bogs when you give it throttle. Sometimes it sits there, trying to thottle, then kind of spurts a bit and after it hits like 10-15 mph it hits almost full throttle like it's being held back.
Back in the day, I had screws to turn, I could adjust things. Now? From what I understand it's all computer based adjustment. The shop I took it to - they have no idea wtf they are talking about as it does this constantly the first few minutes after starting. Same day I got from shop. $160 later, I'm not going back there so now I'm researching other places to look at. IF you got any idea wtf is happening, I'd love to hear it.
I honestly don't think half the shops and dealers have a clue what they're doing anymore. I've had people bring stuff to me where I'm the 3rd mechanic to look at a problem boat, and it ends up being a clogged fuel filter, like seriously these "factory trained technicians" seem totally incompetent.
Ok, with that rant out of the way, yes you are correct, the TR1 is fully electronic, fuel injected, so there are no adjustments to make without a computer, and even then you're kinda limited as far as tuning goes, but diagnostics are much easier with the scan tool.
IF the shop actually changed the spark plugs, and checked the compression with a gauge and not just sticking their finger over the hole and seeing if air blows out like I've seen other "technicians" do, then knowing you have good compression rules out most major engine issues.
Was there an event that caused the ski to start these issues? filled up at an unfamiliar gas station? flipped it over in the water?
300-1000 idle makes me thing it is not running on all cylinders, usually you can tell because being down a hole will make it sound very rough. Would you be able to record a video and upload it somewhere and post a link or email it to me? tom@trythistv.com
The first things I would check is compression, and spark plugs. If all the cylinders are fairly even on compression, it could be a misbehaving throttle body or electronic throttle, both of which kinda need a scan tool to diagnose.
@@trythistv I'm on it. Yea man it's WIERD. It runs fine sometimes, then sometimes not. I'm just trying to get a handle on it before summer hits again, which is why I am starting now. I'll take everything you said and look at it. I'm very technical and mechanical (mostly) so I'll do my best! Thanks again!
@@the72u7h4 knowing it runs ok sometimes I'd pull the spark plugs and inspect and see if any look vastly different, being weirdly intermittent could be a bad coil pack as well, or something as simple as a spark plug is arcing out, I've seen plugs crack, I've seen techs use the wrong plugs, or cheap plugs (get some NGK plugs that are specced on the info sticker, they're not expensive and will do you good)
One trick I use to narrow down weird issues like that is put a brand new set of plugs in, and try to get it to act up for 5-10 minutes on the lake, and then pull the plugs, that way you can determine if one cylinder looks different, you can put the plugs back in the same order, and change the coil pack order, then repeat and if the problem moves its the coil pack, if it doesn't, then it isn't.
@@trythistv Hmm interesting. Ok, will do. But I gotta wait a bit since it's COLD AS BALLS HERE. lol. Once it hits maybe march I can start messing around. I can pull them out and run a hose on them (engine on first, then hose, then hose off then engine off yes I know).
Yeah, it's not warm enough that I want to spend much time on the lake here either lol, but research and direction to head in is a good use of the miserable cold winter, that way once it does warm up hopefully you'll have it running perfect all season! And you've got it for the hose! Let me know what you find, I'm curious what's going on with it!
Great video, I'm excited to check out the others that you'll have coming up! What do you think of the reliability of the TR-1 engine? I've got a deposit down on a 2021 VX Deluxe with the same motor, but have been reading on forums that the 1.8 is probably better for reliability.
I have seen more broken TR1s, But I also see more TR1s period due to their popularity. Easy to maintain, good on gas, maybe not as reliable as the ridiculous older MR1s that go thousands of hours with minimal maintenance, but I quite like the TR1 platform to be honest.
Most of the TR1s I see all have 4-500 hours of rental abuse before any major failures, and by then they have been sunk multiple times and may not get the best maintenance, and you know they aren't babied at all.
By far the most common failure seems to be the jet pump bearings. I've had 3 TR1 pumps blow the pump bearings apart this year. Doesn't really hurt anything, rebuild the pump and carry on.
I've rarely seen actual engine failure on a TR1 (twice since yamaha started making them), and when I have, it has been always been caused by water ingestion from not pumping out the intake manifold like I show how to do in this video.
The 1.8 HO engines do seem very solid, but I see far less of them because the TR1s are so popular as rentals.
I haven't made a video specifically about it, but I sorta own 3 TR1 powered machines currently... all Ex-rentals all in various states of destruction I got very good deals on, 2 out of 3 had blown up pumps, one has a hole in the hull the length of my entire arm (The one in this video, that's why it sunk lol), another has a partially blown engine, it runs, but not well and oil does not stay inside the engine so that'll be an interesting one to dig into.
@@trythistv thanks for all the info! It's nice to hear from someone who has a lot of experience with them. I'll definitely be watching for more of your waverunner videos. Thanks again!
I have a 190 hard hours on my 17 vx deluxe. The only issue I have had is the jet pump has been rebuilt 3 times. Fishing line killed it this time!
@@shaunrigby6599 I have noticed an alarming amount of jet pump failures on the TR1 machines as well. I'm not sure why, because its essentially the same pump as the MR1 and even older yamahas have used, The TR1 does spin pretty good RPM so perhaps that is related.
I've also noticed a lot of the pump "nose cone/cap" on the back that seem to shatter which would let water in and destroy the bearings. Perhaps factory overfilling with grease/oil and it expands and snaps the ears off that cap?