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I was going to ask you if you planned on talking to these folks after I watched some of the Sol foundation videos. I'm sure many others were as thinking this as well. You read our minds, I can't wait to listen. Thanks.
This has been the most balanced, sober minded, and professionally intelligent discussion on UAP I have heard to date. No tacky second hand stories, no dubious wild haired characters; just 3 intelligent and scientifically minded individuals offering a healthy skepticism while demonstrating a complete mastery of all the well documented and verifiable facts available.
Don't be too quick to dismiss the wild haired people. We might yet discover they were right all along. And that hair style does not have any bearing on truthhood. Now THAT would be a lesson for many.
Thankfully! That’s the sign that the subject is finally coming out of the shadows. @unlightenment I don’t discount the so called fringes, they’re the ones who’ve kept this going all these years. But now it’s time for the mainstream to catch up.
@@unlightenment I'm convinced that SOME of them are correct. The issue is that I'm also sure some of them are liars and kooks, and I'm just not sure which are which.
Listening from Cheshire, OR. I enjoy listening to John's channel "John Michael Godier" and have tuned in to several of Gary Nolan's interviews. Thanks for putting this together guys.
The representatives that you were discussing absolutely knew what they were doing One represents the district that contains Huntsville in Alabama the other represents Ohio a district that contains Wright Patterson. They're both heavily involved with certain corporate entities that absolutely benefit from a curtailing of disclosure.
I've traveled to see the Huntsville antique Space Museum I live in Toledo Ohio so I've seen Wright-Patterson several times and I was in the Air Force so I got to go underneath the Wright-Patterson Wright State University is about the location of their underground hospital if you go below the University
Huntsville Alabama is a awesome little city I wish people would stop moving here who are changing our traditionally conservative values. Alabama now, Alabama tomorrow, Alabama forever
@@kenwaltson7113 "Alabama forever" kinda proves the point of why those values are better off changed. Stop calling yourselves patriots while trampling all over constitutional rights of others like their right to vote.
This has been one of the best presentations on this topic that I have encountered. Consider that it's 50 years now since I started following this. So that says a lot.
I think it is tremendously important that our brightest minds engage with this subject, across all of the academic and theological spectrum. Thank you to both of these academics, but particularly Professor Nolan for the courage although his amazing career to take the road less travelled. The SOL foundation is a great step forward, the other founder David Grusch has single handedly broken through to the mainstream which is a massive achievement for this topic.
The reason disclosure won't happen is because the UFO's are ours and yes they might have been reverse engineered but that would start a world war for NOT sharing info and tech
Yep. but as D H Lawrence said over a century go and it still applies today even more, "The essential American soul is hard, stoic, isolate and a killer. It has never yet melted." I mean just look at something Garry said (and hes smart) that "Many of your listeners are probably of a religious inclination," most people I`ve ever met across Europe are athiests, that view point alone shows his American bias. .
Another FANTASTIC interview, John! Thanks a bunch! 😃 Honestly, it's great to see scientists finally taking this subject seriously... BUT... While there's absence of a "formal recognition" from the part of the government, neither some kind of hard evidence (a "gadget", as dr. Leob says)... I don't see how things could change at the academic level. But, well... We shall see. Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
It hasn't. Schumer's so-called Disclosure Act was never going to disclose anything. The original bill, and the "gutted" version, vest ultimate authority over declassification, of anything, with the President. Any ... president. Schumer documentedly has long been in the pocket of the so-called military industrial complex, especially Lockheed Martin. It's delusional to believe he'd put forth any legislation that would remotely impinge on Lockheed's secrets.
We need a balance between hard-core skepticism and totally open gullibility. If there are strange things going on, such as at Skinwalker Ranch, by all means, investigate heavily with all the tech we have at our disposal.
For sure! Physics professor Dr. knuth in the Sol Foundation video has the best quote on this: “Always be skeptical of two things; 1. Someone who assumes that it’s an alien craft whenever they see something strange. 2. Someone (usually a scientist) that assumes that anomalous observations are in error because they know their physics and there can be nothing anomalous.”
That's the whole idea, destigmatize it so it can be investigated and then let's see where the data takes us. I'd add two more good quotes in regards to hyper skepticism. The first is J. Allen Hynek's characterization of it. "It can't be, therefore it isn't". And Stanton Friedman. "Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up".
@@scottymeffz5025 The Sol Foundation is creating the base for science to be accomplished on the research of the phenomenon. Up until now, someone could have crash/donation parts in their basement with no one they could trust to help, no high end tech for analysis, no one trusted for pier review, no promise for their own safety from the US government. The Sol Foundation is creating that foundation.
I have seen a person walk out into the middle of the street unaware of the vehicle barreling straight towards her because she was staring at her cell phone. The car slammed on its breaks and honked the horn and the pedestrian, rapt in her private little “Tic-Tok” world continues walking across the street without ever knowing that she nearly lost her life. The pedestrian is human society and the vehicle is UAP Disclosure.
Yesterday I had a very difficult day. One of my students had an accident (fortunately, not a severe one) which I could avoid. Your video kept me a nice company during a night full of guilt and after a good nights sleep I could go back to school to continue doing my stuff the best I can. Thank you, John, and take care.
This entire discussion shoves into the light that which we all know, that military classification and compartmentalization is wrong, morally, and also counterproductive to the very organizations which sponsor it's use. Barring the most extreme examples like NBC weapons security, or active military operations where disclosure could mean soldiers loss of life, there is not reason in modern times for such security to exist.
It's the over classification problem. Yeah, some things need to be kept classified. Methods, technologies, names of living people and operatives, soldier movements. Of course. But footage of a missile test in 1964 of a missile that you can go see in a museum? A recipe for disappearing ink from WWI that was only declassified in the 2000's that's been commercially available from magic shops since the 1950's? Documents from the 1940's that still feature huge redactions? All of it happens.
There's been a lot of attention-seeking at the heart of the conspiracy theories about the government. Fact is, there will ALWAYS be those who have an incentive to push people to not trust the government (like those selling snake oil the FDA would never approve, or shows/books about UFOs), so it won't matter even if the government was 100% transparent there will always be the narrative that they haven't actually shown everything.
I heard from researching the military on other topics is it's basically don't fix what isn't broken attitude. It worked in the past so they continue to use that philosophy today when it comes to certain operations or tech etc. There's definitely other countries after our information and would love to know what the military is doing. So being compartmentalize is a way to stop information leaking into the wrong hands. Not saying it's right, just giving an explanation on why they operate that way.
I just want to say how much I appreciate Nolan's mic quality. In an age of zoom calls and especially giving interviews, there's little excuse to not invest $50 on a quality mic instead of whispering into a garbage laptop microphone.
Yes. It’s extremely hard to have that consistency though, because many of our guests have either neither done any interviews or done so few they haven’t invested in a mic yet.
What erodes public trust is those purposefully pushing "challenges" just for the purpose of attention-seeking/financial incentive. They're not going to admit that's what it was about, so they fund-raise off of having been (rightfully) censored. It isn't censorship, it's burden of proof. It's a lose-lose situation for science.
Please use the intro song more in future episodes. In my opinion, it’s literally the best one you guys have, and it is absolutely incredible at setting the tone for the episode at hand
Keep up the good work john, many of these comments are completely unintelligible, kind of odd to see, certainly not what i expected. Loved the show as always!
Exactly. The only people against government transparency is the DoD itself. Literally everyone else supports government transparency for the billions of taxes spent on this. There are a lot of debunkers and bots trying to distract us and keep the military industrail complex money flowing.
Mercury is crazy dense for a solar system object at 5.427 grams per cubic centimeter. This is because it's mostly metal. Not even the infamous metal asteroid Psyche is denser. In fact there's only one object we know about that's denser. And that object? The densest thing we know about in the whole solar system is Earth, at 5.551 grams. Both of these things being the result of early collisions is very likely. Both being the same collision? Hadn't considered that, but definitely possible. Now I want to see isotope ratios. In order to have as much surface gravity as Earth, a planet of "normal" or Mars-like density would have to have nearly one and a half times Earth's diameter. And that would make it's gravity field one and a half times as deep. You probably couldn't ever escape that planet (and the likely deeper denser atmosphere) with rockets. Not even if you launch from a powerful ground-based electric yeeter. Well, maybe you could with materials science well advanced over our own, but it would be capital-H HARD and we wouldn't expect any us-like life forms to survive the acceleration. So one Fermi hypothesis is that maybe nobody else was lucky enough in terms of planetary density and gravity field, that they could figure out how to ever leave their homeworld.
Every time they've announced the discovery of a "super Earth" I've wondered, how would anyone escape that gravity. Perhaps we are not giving them enough credit for ingenuity. They might fly a plane in circles until they reach the top of the atmosphere, and then launch a rocket from the plane. The Great Filter that I don't hear anyone addressing is that all land animals are descended from the same fish that ventured out of the water. (Not counting plants, insects, etc.) It only happened once. Most intelligences in the universe might be ocean dwellers with limited technology. How do they even make fire? But perhaps they start with crude circuits, beaten out of metal, powered by batteries, encased in some natural rubber, then powered up. Some alien intelligence might say of us that we would need a high vacuum for various technologies, and how would we create vacuums in air without access to space? But we have no problem creating good vacuums for our particle accelerators, and old vacuum tube technology.
@@EinsteinsHair There is one construction that could get off the surface of any planet no matter how dense, but its infrastructure and energy requirements are absolutely nuts. Essentially it involves building an orbital ring on the ground, including vacuum-filled tunnels with electromagnetic tracks, all the way around your planet. And then loading them with mass and bringing the mass up to orbital velocity on the ground. And then past orbital velocity, so they begin to lift (and slightly expand) the whole damn ring. The ring itself doesn't move relative to the local atmosphere, so no velocity drag. But the masses going around the world in the vacuum inside the tubes would have to be moving crazy fast. That construction could support its own weight without requiring massive input of power, at any altitude. You want it to hover ten feet off the ground, all the way around the world? If there are no hills in the way it can. You want to bring it up to an altitude of a couple miles, with tethers you can get maglev cars up and down to take fast trips around the planet? You can do that. You want to put up six of them, at different altitudes over the equator, with tethers from one to the next all the way up to orbital altitude, even though your gravity well is too deep to get a tether all the way to space? You can do that too. But it's hard to imagine a civilization being unified enough, and willing to devote that much energy and infrastructure, to have access to space. Admittedly it would be first class access, but seriously what kind of creature would value it enough to overcome all the politics and property disputes and be willing to devote infrastructure and energy, for a massive project that would take decades to build, when that stuff could be going to support better lives for its people on the surface?
My question is why Nolan proposes that these alien technologies should be shopped around to (presumably) US corporations and VCs when they are the inheritance of all mankind. This should be an open source project that allows talented people from across the planet a chance to apply alien technology to the world's problems. Otherwise it will become yet another source of global inequality.
I think if the knowledge of something like this exists then yes, all of mankind deserves to know, even if it was discovered by the US, we don't have IP rights on the truth. That said, the talented people across the planet capable of applying alien technology to anything, come from countries that already back engineer most of our technologies or use corporate espionage and in most cases hold the belief that the US is the source of global inequality, making it one of the world's problems needing to be solved. In a perfect world everyone has equal access to everything and there is no inequality.... but I feel some people would use advanced technology to advance the extinction of the many citizens, such as myself, who have no control over the actions of the few in power that make those decisions.
I'm really hesitant on this, mainly due to this idea that "scepticism is the enemy". Respect to Dr Nolan and company, but Skafish just sets me on edge about it. He just seems to trigger my BS meter for some reason.
@@TheCuriousOrbs they didn't come right out and say it just like that (in fact, "literally" the opposite was said). However, they seemed to somehow "paint the idea" that skepticism is bad. Probably a "double speak tactic" they learned from whatever Intel agency)😂😂
Yeah you entirely lost me with that mask off moment of telling me to just believe what Dear Leader says. These three people have just lost all credibility with me, this is religion, not science.
@rustymustard7798 Taking the Kirkpatrick approach I see. Which is ironic, because Kirkpatrick is not credible at all. Lol in fact he's literally a disinfo guy. Check out the *SOL FOUNDATION* folks
Thank you kindly, young man for your time and contributions. Your videos are wonderful and insightful that is refreshing. Plus just always a delightful interaction with the guest(s) involved or even just describing specific scenarios and all. Thank you for everything y'all do! 😊🌎❤️🕺🏻🔭
personally, I don't think non-Earth life has visited Earth. I think I have some very valid reasons for believing this, but I respect that reasonable minds could disagree. I do think it is perfectly possible something a piece of equipment (such as an exploratory probe) made by non-Earth life could made it to here, whether it was sent our way on purpose or it just eventually randomly crossed paths with Earth's orbit and crashed.
@@ekothesilent9456 Lue Elizondo went there, not sure who made the video though. They were very open, and shared information on camera. He also went to the Vatican and found a document from BCE Rome describing a "flaming shield" flying in the sky. It sounds crazy as I'm typing this.
@@ekothesilent9456 I found the episode I was thinking of, it was part of a history channel series called Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation (season 1 episode 6). It was free on RUclips when I saw it, but doesn't seem to be there anymore. It aired on June 28, 2019, and it is titled The Revelation23. "In this episode, Elizondo and his team go to Italy to probe a case where a UFO allegedly shot down a helicopter in 2004." They showed him pictures of the event. And, suggested that in order for the UFO to fire its weapon it had to come out of whatever cloaking capability it had. I know it sounds totally crazy, and I'm not a fan of the way the History channel presents these things. But what government official would make up a story like that? Surely their credibility would be on the line after making allegations like this.
You think politicians are willingly going to put their name to something that could be potential career destroyers? Hint: Politicians are EXTREMELY risk averse.
@@TheCuriousOrbs You have swallowed the ridiculous narrative that these political operatives, posing as scientists have fed you. That was a stupid strawman argument that you are just repeating. Think for yourself. Who exactly is putting their career in danger? How? Please explain rather than parrot their nonsense
@@TheCuriousOrbs If most republicans put their names to the notion that the 2020 election was stolen which incidentally was rejected as false by about 60 courts across America then they would be prepared to put their names to other potentially ridiculous things as well. Also last I checked a YouGov poll in September 2022 showed that 34% of Americans believe that aliens are visiting earth in UFOs and then 30 odd percent of other people don't know and the other 30 odd percent of Americans believe UFOs have a natural non-alien explanation. So given these stats it would almost certainly not be a career killer to support the Schumer legislation and in fact it may even help you in some parts of America where conspiratorial thinking is more popular.
That sounds like an argument for gods existence if little aliens are flying about we have a chance at proof but I'm sceptical about aliens that only live in America
@@lucasgibbs4879If that comment is a repetition of the skeptical canard that this is an American or Western mythology or pop culture .. I suggest you check out the “UFO clubs” of China of the 1980s (annoyed the government enough that it sought to ban them), or the past to present history of UFO phenomenon in Latin America and Japan.
My thoughts exactly. I saw the title and thought let’s reach a UAP world first never mind a post UAP world. We are currently in a hearsay world with a hefty sprinkling of potential misinformation.
@@FMDD168 "...do your own research..." They have alien spacecraft. Then it is classified. Or they don't. Then there is nothing to research. Either way, you cannot make your own research in this field.
I think if one of of committed a crime we wouldn't be pardoned. I'm sorry but I don't agree with letting them all be pardoned. Particularly if they murdered someone.
Why don't multiple journalists and concerned citizens ask the high-ranking US politicians in America why they have opposed the Schumer legislation rather than jumping to conspiratorial conclusions? Iam an Australian so it's not my place to write a letter to US politicians but I could certainly imagine some reasons why they would oppose the Schumer legislation which have nothing to do with trying to cover up non-human technology.
Obstructing the establishment of a coherent ufo policy allows them to distract from the really alarming issues they should be tackling on behalf of their constituency. That’s why.
What reason is that? I mean yeah if it's advanced tech they have to keep access to it restricted but that doesn't mean they can't come out and acknowledge they found crashed aliens. "Yes, we have crashed alien ships, here is the proof and the bodies. Access to the tech is restricted for national security reasons" Done.
I did not know Skafish wrote a book on Jane Roberts (of the Seth material fame). I went through her books a year or so ago. Quite fascinating that he is involved with that, even if tangentially.
Almost every scientist you had on your program and I watched many of them. Were against the knowledge of having alien crafts from another planet here on Earth. And you agreed with them, there's no way they could travel. This distance was many times The philosophy.
Not entirely correct. I've pointed out on multiple occasions that there is the von Neumann and Fermi loophole. If you're willing to invest enough time, you can cross space, but it's going to take very long periods and probably have to be done robotically. That's the one way it's possible under our current knowledge.
they are Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Raytheon, EG&G, and add Blackrock in for good measure as they are probably providing the “Private Security Recovery Teams” that swoop in for the recovery of UAP’s
@@steve7059 so all the companies that were completely superior to entities like Bigelow aerospace and the descendants of Lear? Who were desperately upset at being light years behind in terms of relevance, funds, credible projects, funding.... But the heads of whom were extremely upset at being promised gigs but ultimately found to be not capable of the expertise to forward technological muscle.
These guys just agreed there are non-human created vehicles - which makes the change of name from UFO to UAP derisory. The term UAP embraces natural atmospheric phenomena - and that's Not what anybody is talking about.
The acronym UAP "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena" replaced UFO “Unidentified Flying Object”. Using the phrase UAP is all encompassing and helps replace both UFO and USO (Unidentified Submerged Object) due to the fact that these trans medium crafts seem to move through water as easily as air and space.
I have to say that the appeal to authority at 10:10 is absolutely wild. The idea that we should take something seriously because of congressional interest is totally ridiculous. Congress is a clown car.
46:09 "Follow the money..." John, more likely it's seen as a waste of tax payer money, especially if there's no "alien' source, and whatever threat exists winds up coming from some place like North Korea or China. Let experts that are interested have a look and evaluate hypotheses on whatever evidence exists. But it's like you've stated many times, "Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence." or something similar. At some time, as a public servant, you've got to decide whether pursuing something is worth the money.
You don't really hear people talk about this idea, but I think a lot of people sense it implicitly and it's potentially a big reason for some people's adamant unwillingness to consider that sometimes there could be a weird machine in the sky: if there truly are sneaky, deceptive, extremely advanced aliens active around this planet, then potentially in principle _anything could happen, or be engineered to seem to happen,_ no matter how impossibly magical or absurd or inane, because it could just be another twist of incomprehensible alien whimsy or just another layer of some superhumanly intricate psychosocial prodding of humankind for study and/or manipulation. The world becomes effectively re-enchanted out from under you, and you have to face that the world you've developed a metaphysical & spiritual grounding in as being fundamentally logical, understandable, and possessed of a literally sublimely beautiful crystalline elegance might be being technologically twisted into an epistemic fever swamp of illogic and esotericism by the hidden caprice or calculation of beings functionally not so different from the gods you've insisted couldn't possibly exist. How embarrassing! If you've long treasured majestic visions of glittering starfaring civilizations extending human dreams of the power of knowledge and cooperation across the lightyears, longing to one day meet the Vulcans or the Culture, it's hard to consider the reality you might be getting is something more like the mischievous Trelane jingling toy saucers and dummy spacemen in front of our eyes or the surreally incomprehensible colossi of _Roadside Picnic,_ but the scientifically rigorous are always among the first to say we should be ready to be surprised by things too weird for us to have imagined.
Yeah it seems the more this goes on, and the more interviews and pcasts and whatnot that are churned out, the more i keep hearing the discussion and opinions softening in regards to who is responsible for the hell so many have been documented having gone through. Its starting to become all "let's keep treating the multibillion dollar tech and military industries with kid gloves. Oh nO! we can't possibly be told basic realities of nature and existence because oh no those poor suffering markets and religious institutions and power structures might have to deal with the repercussions!" The kind of repercussions that reorganize society into something more open and less (but no doubt, *still*) corrupt! CaNT hAvE tHaT! Too many upper and high class investers might lose something! The People^tm cant be trusted with reality! They're too stupid or angry or untrustworthy or maybe another country will be mad or declare war or cats and dogs will get married!! or some shit. Seriously, unless they have proof that God's not real, or the true nature of the afterlife, there's nothing they could say that would end the world. It would just end the gatekeepers' leverage and cost them their billions. And, as a nobody with nothing like billions of other people, id love to see it.
Hello, sorry for the somewhat off topic question, but is Event Horizon planning on having Avi Loeb back on anytime soon to get a status on his research (regarding the spherules from the Pacific Ocean and his search for UAP)?
It'll happen. The next step for the spherules is another expedition to try to recover the main mass, which I believe is already funded. For the UAP, it's a matter of collecting data with the observatory at Harvard, and building the other observatories. There was a solid test however of the Harvard observatory recently, they had a multiple sensor detection of a meteorite fall over New England and they put out a call asking if anyone visually saw it. Just a meteorite, but it proved that the systems in place are working.
Sy Fi plots just write themselves. - so in the next few years, this issue will merge with the problem of global climate destabilization. Perhaps external intelligence has been following our conundrum. Ferociously interesting times ahead. Good time to be alive and paying attention.
Excellent work! To have some measure of wealth in our society, is to have access to currency or materials that one can spend at their whim. To be truly wealthy, however, is to garner influence through technology, and set planetary policy. To be anywhere in our solar system in a days’ time, that is worth more than most fortunes built here on earth. I often refer to President Eisenhower’s farewell address; we must protect against the unwarranted influence of a “scientific and technological elite” from within our military industrial complex. I do not think that this is purely a matter of greed, however. The scariest part of the entire subject of exopolitics, is that the United States was NOT the First Nation in modern times to exploit the technologies of other civilizations. It would appear that Nazi Germany beat us to that exploitation. Though the early reproduction vehicles from the late 30’s and 40’s were crude, the ability to somewhat-efficiently travel through space was worth more than any fortune on the planet at that time. If we look at what happened after conflict ended on the continent, the way that many (but not all) German scientists were absorbed into the American and Soviet military industrial complexes, how and why the extraterrestrial/exopolitical issue is handled the way it is handled seventy years later becomes very clear; access to alien technologies is administered in a top-down, fascistic way, with a very small scientific and technological elite reaping the benefits, and the rest of our planetary population left in the proverbial dark. Art imitates life, often. One of my favorite films is Star Trek’s “Wrath of Khan”. In a prequel installment, threatening to destroy our world with his private armies and weapons, Khan is placated when the militaries of our world gift to him a crude alien reproduction vehicle (not named as such in the book), to take himself and his genetically-augmented followers to colonize a new world, instead of destroying our current one. “If I cant have it, then nobody can” is a mantra of many of the truly wealthy of our time. Let us pray that these fears never come to fruition.
57:35 Nolan says we anthropomorphise or we apply a human level of logic to things in response to John's notion that tech of non human origin, perhaps millions of years old, could be running errors and misbehaving. Well, Garry, like us, they supposedly crash, so they're not infallible, an attribute shared by humans. Taking that into consideration it could have probes here that are not acting as they should, because - ya know - they make mistakes, much like us.
It's also dangerous anthropomorphisation to assume that UAPs are vehicles. It is entirely possible that they are the entities themselves, whose non-terrestrial composition allows them to move in Earth's gravity well in a manner that resembles propulsion.
@@tuomasronnberg5244That could be possible, however, they have explicitly stated that a *technology* that has undergone an industrial process, i.e. an unorthodox atomically layered *material* of non-human origin, had been discovered and was being kept by certain aerospace corporations, with the goal being the back engineering of these craft. It was also stated that *occupants* and/or biologics were discovered with these craft. I suppose I can entertain your hypothesis that these are organic flying beasties, but.where are the occupants coming from? Are they riders atop them flying around our atmosphere, much like we ride horses on the ground? 🤔 😂
@@RAZORREVOLUTION1 I believe that UAPs have been detected, and I believe that crash landings have been reported. However, I am not yet convinced that UAPs of true alien origin have crash landed on Earth i.e. these recovered materials could be explained by secret weapons projects of other Earth nations and other such sources. There is an argument to be made that extraterrestrials are of multidimensional origin, that is, they reside at least partly outside the spacetime we are familiar with. Consider dipping your fingers in a lake and moving them around. From the fishes' point of view they behave against the known laws of nature, gliding around without using fins or muscles for swimming. Nevertheless, fingers are still entirely natural from our point of view. In a similar fashion aliens could be "dipping" into our universe from some higher dimension, which would explain the unusual flight properties of UAPs.
I think there's a fine line to run when it comes to anthropomorphising. For example the idea that we shouldn't apply any logic to UAP because they might be capable of what amounts to magic and their goals may be totally unknowable to us seems like a cop out. If an organism exists and created technology, then it's going to have convergent features with us. Stars are all more or less the same, and it's stands to reason that life capable of creating technology like we do would share some basic traits with us. It might be quite different in a lot of ways but you'll still be able to recognise it as intelligent life or as technology.
It's good to consider potential negative consequences of disclosure, and to manage them. However, in all fairness, some level of attempt to quantify the harm from non-disclosure is also critically necessary. I'd love to know, for example, if anthropogenic climate change could have been averted, or drastically mitigated, if disclosure had occurred a tad more urgently. In the end, if there is something pertinent to disclose in that regard, then I'm sure history will judge those who withheld said pertinent information in the most negative light possible. Right now we can only speculate about what we're destroying, i.e. losing. Eventually the tally will be known. The value, lost or squandered, will be known.
"...certain witnesses in certain organizations with classified information about the whys and wherefors of which vehicles, and I was thrilled with the positive amd enthusiastic feedback at the symposium about the event, with very inventive professional discourse about what needs to take place, and it hasn't been done exactly that way before..." you can say a whole lot without saying anything at all! If you actually transcribe this stuff, it's a whole lot of fluff. I'm not upset at all with the interview, because I expected such a result. I just keep hoping to get specific, detailed verifiable proof that we've captured flying saucers. They can still keep the actual tech classified... IF it exists. This interview implies that it does exist, that we have these craft and are reverse engineering it... but the interviewees don't say it in a 100% for sure way.
I have always believed that the military witnesses have always been very compelling ! And ( my view ) , if we don't believe these people , then who do we believe ?
Ii bet if this is real guys at SETI are going to be super embarrassed 😂. If this is a possible threat and for science to ignore/ridiculed for 75 years this could be catastrophic situation for humanity 😮
the guys at SETI eidh this would all go away.... actual disclosure cuts contracts over there..... it should .... they've robbed the govt long enough🤣🤣🤣🚬🚬🚬🤫
I've watched a lot of SETI Institute videos and interviews and talks they've given, and I don't think they will be embarrassed at all. Seth Shostak has said something to the effect that people have shown him a lot of fuzzy photos but no convincing evidence. Jill Tarter has shared her own encounter when she was in a plane with her pilot husband at night. There was something coming directly towards them, but air traffic control said there was nothing on radar. For a couple of minutes there was something very real, then a cloud they couldn't see stopped obstructing their view, and it was clearly just the moon. Why should they be embarrassed? All of the evidence they have seen is fuzzy photos and misidentification. And SETI has been ridiculed. In 1992, one of the few times the government has put up any money, NASA started a ten year search. One Senator mocked it publicly, and NASA dropped the program. They've had to rely on donations. They got Paul Allen to fund the Allen Telescope Array. Before that they had to get permission for radio telescope time. Once they got permission to put a second receiver on Arecibo. So astronomers would point it wherever they wanted, and the SETI receiver would be pointed just to the side of that. They have also done commensal searches, where they got a copy of an astronomer's raw data and did their own search for signals within it. If UAPs are real, well they are not trying to communicate, so SETI is looking for someone who will. Is there only one intelligent civilization in the galaxy?
Its such a frustrating subject,. Using a metaphor its like having a delicious sausage casserole in ftont of you and never getting to eat it coz your spending all your time trying to find the actual sausage within
BUT it could be the EXTERMINATE trigger is: "lifeform capable of interfering with the probe" this would explain WHY we keep this under wraps . maybe some other spices warned us, or maybe the probe just told us, who knows. there's very real great risks here and disclosure could lead directly to pulling that trigger
Definitely an interesting episode, enjoyed it a lot. More of this, it’s an absolute interesting topic that gives some thought that really gives of some cool ideas. When that I said, the US government will probably never declassify this for the simple fact that if this is true, the US has guaranteed been poking and killing all around them, it’s just how the US government is. Therefore, it would be most optimal it came from other countries before, then US will be shown as a joke once again, for keeping everything away from people which goes far beyond own country interests. It’s sad, but reality is the US has always, and will always be corrupt as hell, putting themself ahead regardless of the after effects.
Gary Nolan is wrong about the Inspector General describing David Grusch's UAP claims as credible because the Inspector General wrote to Congress and specifically told them that he has not investigated any UAP programs.Grusch made a number of complaints to the IG involving harassment he has allegedly faced as well as misappropriation of funds and programs which have not been revealed to Congress when they should have been and these are the sort of things the IG was most likely referring to when he described David Grusch's complaint as "urgent and credible" and needing further investigation by authorities. Further to this the podcaster Steven Cambian of Truthseekers said that he personally rang the Inspector General's office and they told him they have not looked into Grusch's UAP claims.They also told Steven that their default position is to describe complaints made to them as "urgent and credible" so I don't think we should necessarily make too much of this phrase and conflate Grusch's down to earth complaints about harassment and malfeasance with his more extraordinary complaints about secret programs involving non-human crafts as Gary Nolan has done. This notion put forward by this non-human craft cover-up crowd that politicians wouldn't put their name to legislation if it was all based on nonsense is a silly argument when you consider that most Republican politicians in Washington have put their names to the ridiculous notion that the 2020 election was stolen even though about 60 courts in America have thrown this nonsense argument out of court. The Gary Nolan and Peter Skarfish's of the world talk a big game based on stories, speculative science and conspiracy theories but the man who had the power to fully investigate this issue and uncover the evidence Kirkpatrick found nothing and I find no reason to disbelieve him and believe Nolan and Skarfish. Compelling evidence for non-human crafts has not been found by many US Government appointed bodies across the decades such as NASA and the Condon report. The Condon report was approved by the most prestigious scientific institution in the US namely the National Academy of Sciences. I can't buy this notion that every major report from Project Blue book right through to ARROW has been a deliberate cover-up particularly when you consider that even the UAP taskforce which was headed up by UFO enthusiasts Jay Stratton and Travis Taylor (his chief scientific advisor) also did not produce one shred of hard evidence that non-human crafts have or are here on planet earth.The same thing could also be said about UFO enthusiasts Lue Elizondo of ATIP and James Lacatski of AWSAP. We can talk conspiracy theories and cover-ups forever but what it all boils down to in my view is that those who believe advanced non-human crafts or beings are on planet earth have no compelling evidence to substantiate their claims and this has been the case for decades and decades and the reason they rely on conspiracy theories so much is because they act as a smokescreen to cover up for the fact that they don't have any good evidence for their extraordinary claims.
There are craft flying around that defy the laws of physics. How do you explain that? The Phoenix lights incident, hundreds of people saw a craft that was 1,000 ft long flying love over their heads. Hell even the governor said he saw it
@@Hyzer_Sozay I don't hope for nothing I just follow the evidence wherever it leads me. Hope and faith are characteristic of a religious mindset which I don't have.I only want the truth I don't want to fool myself into believing what is comforting if I can't find any strong evidence for it.If Aliens are here great I wouldn't lose one second of sleep but I can't see any good evidence for anything alien or advanced non_human on planet Earth.
I don't hope, I follow the evidence wherever I think it leads.Hope is characteristic of a religious mindset which I don't have.I just want the truth, if advanced non humans are here then great but I don't want to fool myself into believing that they are here when there is no good evidence for this notion in my view.
@@danstevens6455 You dont hang on to Cambyons do you. Him and Mick West are so intent on putting downer on people and strong evidence. People like you and the debunker should be ashamed of yourself. David Gruche, Garry Nolan, Avi Loeb, Dr Steven Greer and others are trying to make the world a better place. The ufo phenomena, when disclosed and treated in a positive way, this will change the world, ie climate change reversal, no reliance on fossil fuels, nuclear power, health benefits, ect.
I once made a comment on a long ago episode of this very channel that I believed that UFO/UAP were very real and that there was much evidence for it ! Someone sent me a most nasty and derogatory reply ( basically calling me a tin foil hat wearing idiot ! Well , all I can say to that person now is ...LOL !!
That's fair enough ! Will say John , that I've loved astronomy for many years , and since I've been using RUclips your channel was one of the first of it's type that I subscribed to ! And still one of the very best channels of it's type out there !
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I was going to ask you if you planned on talking to these folks after I watched some of the Sol foundation videos. I'm sure many others were as thinking this as well. You read our minds, I can't wait to listen. Thanks.
Outstanding podcast/show. Im happy to see this getting more light. Needs to be out there for the populace to see. No more cover-up.
The Seth material is fascinating (where ever it comes from).
I’m such a huge fan! Thank you for taking the time to share! 💖🙏💖
@@leonidas6134 this wasn't outstanding at all. The audio was awful lip smacking induced. The main topic was maximum American bias
This has been the most balanced, sober minded, and professionally intelligent discussion on UAP I have heard to date. No tacky second hand stories, no dubious wild haired characters; just 3 intelligent and scientifically minded individuals offering a healthy skepticism while demonstrating a complete mastery of all the well documented and verifiable facts available.
We need more of this.
Don't be too quick to dismiss the wild haired people. We might yet discover they were right all along. And that hair style does not have any bearing on truthhood. Now THAT would be a lesson for many.
Thankfully! That’s the sign that the subject is finally coming out of the shadows.
@unlightenment I don’t discount the so called fringes, they’re the ones who’ve kept this going all these years. But now it’s time for the mainstream to catch up.
@@bluemountain1411consciousness my ass 😂😂😂😂 it's technological
You'll be disappointed
@@unlightenment I'm convinced that SOME of them are correct. The issue is that I'm also sure some of them are liars and kooks, and I'm just not sure which are which.
Listening from Cheshire, OR. I enjoy listening to John's channel "John Michael Godier" and have tuned in to several of Gary Nolan's interviews. Thanks for putting this together guys.
The representatives that you were discussing absolutely knew what they were doing One represents the district that contains Huntsville in Alabama the other represents Ohio a district that contains Wright Patterson. They're both heavily involved with certain corporate entities that absolutely benefit from a curtailing of disclosure.
I've traveled to see the Huntsville antique Space Museum I live in Toledo Ohio so I've seen Wright-Patterson several times and I was in the Air Force so I got to go underneath the Wright-Patterson Wright State University is about the location of their underground hospital if you go below the University
@@BrentRichards-vp1cgthe underworlds beneath our universities need more visibility
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Huntsville Alabama is a awesome little city I wish people would stop moving here who are changing our traditionally conservative values. Alabama now, Alabama tomorrow, Alabama forever
@@kenwaltson7113 "Alabama forever" kinda proves the point of why those values are better off changed. Stop calling yourselves patriots while trampling all over constitutional rights of others like their right to vote.
Gary Nolan is the perfect investigator for the subject.
This has been one of the best presentations on this topic that I have encountered. Consider that it's 50 years now since I started following this. So that says a lot.
Awesome coverage thanks guys
I think it is tremendously important that our brightest minds engage with this subject, across all of the academic and theological spectrum. Thank you to both of these academics, but particularly Professor Nolan for the courage although his amazing career to take the road less travelled. The SOL foundation is a great step forward, the other founder David Grusch has single handedly broken through to the mainstream which is a massive achievement for this topic.
if there's something we're not being told about, this will have impacts in the entire world.. not just America.
The reason disclosure won't happen is because the UFO's are ours and yes they might have been reverse engineered but that would start a world war for NOT sharing info and tech
@@anthonybaransky137Are you serious? Nations don't share their military secrets.
Yep. but as D H Lawrence said over a century go and it still applies today even more, "The essential American soul is hard, stoic, isolate and a killer. It has never yet melted." I mean just look at something Garry said (and hes smart) that "Many of your listeners are probably of a religious inclination," most people I`ve ever met across Europe are athiests, that view point alone shows his American bias. .
@@laurencemoore3042 yep this the American bios on this one was definitely there in a red neck sort of way.
The thing we’re not being told about is what you just said!
Another FANTASTIC interview, John! Thanks a bunch! 😃
Honestly, it's great to see scientists finally taking this subject seriously... BUT... While there's absence of a "formal recognition" from the part of the government, neither some kind of hard evidence (a "gadget", as dr. Leob says)... I don't see how things could change at the academic level.
But, well... We shall see.
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Since the UAP bill was gutted, how has that affected the plan for action?
The act is going to have to be voted next year again, so... You know.
Long story short, look for for more whistleblowers, first person witnesses to crafts and bodies.
It hasn't. Schumer's so-called Disclosure Act was never going to disclose anything. The original bill, and the "gutted" version, vest ultimate authority over declassification, of anything, with the President. Any ... president. Schumer documentedly has long been in the pocket of the so-called military industrial complex, especially Lockheed Martin. It's delusional to believe he'd put forth any legislation that would remotely impinge on Lockheed's secrets.
It's on ice until later this year which is when it will be refined and resubmitted for the 2025 NDAA. It's going to happen one way or another.
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Love the channel, thanks John, and team, for the work.
But I have to say, I preferred the previous intro and outro music ;-)
We need a balance between hard-core skepticism and totally open gullibility. If there are strange things going on, such as at Skinwalker Ranch, by all means, investigate heavily with all the tech we have at our disposal.
For sure!
Physics professor Dr. knuth in the Sol Foundation video has the best quote on this:
“Always be skeptical of two things;
1. Someone who assumes that it’s an alien craft whenever they see something strange.
2. Someone (usually a scientist) that assumes that anomalous observations are in error because they know their physics and there can be nothing anomalous.”
That's the whole idea, destigmatize it so it can be investigated and then let's see where the data takes us. I'd add two more good quotes in regards to hyper skepticism. The first is J. Allen Hynek's characterization of it. "It can't be, therefore it isn't". And Stanton Friedman. "Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up".
They aren't even describing skepticism, they're describing cynicism and providing zero good evidence to join their side.
It's madness.
@@scottymeffz5025 The Sol Foundation is creating the base for science to be accomplished on the research of the phenomenon.
Up until now, someone could have crash/donation parts in their basement with no one they could trust to help, no high end tech for analysis, no one trusted for pier review, no promise for their own safety from the US government.
The Sol Foundation is creating that foundation.
@@scottymeffz5025 they are creating a pier review network so the science can finally happen. And they are doing so much more.
Thank you for giving this phenomenon the attention it deserves!
I have seen a person walk out into the middle of the street unaware of the vehicle barreling straight towards her because she was staring at her cell phone.
The car slammed on its breaks and honked the horn and the pedestrian, rapt in her private little “Tic-Tok” world continues walking across the street without ever knowing that she nearly lost her life.
The pedestrian is human society and the vehicle is UAP Disclosure.
Yesterday I had a very difficult day. One of my students had an accident (fortunately, not a severe one) which I could avoid. Your video kept me a nice company during a night full of guilt and after a good nights sleep I could go back to school to continue doing my stuff the best I can. Thank you, John, and take care.
Gary Nolan Is a fucking gangster. I love it.
Hasn't he beaten cancer like 6 times?
This entire discussion shoves into the light that which we all know, that military classification and compartmentalization is wrong, morally, and also counterproductive to the very organizations which sponsor it's use. Barring the most extreme examples like NBC weapons security, or active military operations where disclosure could mean soldiers loss of life, there is not reason in modern times for such security to exist.
It's the over classification problem. Yeah, some things need to be kept classified. Methods, technologies, names of living people and operatives, soldier movements. Of course. But footage of a missile test in 1964 of a missile that you can go see in a museum? A recipe for disappearing ink from WWI that was only declassified in the 2000's that's been commercially available from magic shops since the 1950's? Documents from the 1940's that still feature huge redactions? All of it happens.
There's been a lot of attention-seeking at the heart of the conspiracy theories about the government. Fact is, there will ALWAYS be those who have an incentive to push people to not trust the government (like those selling snake oil the FDA would never approve, or shows/books about UFOs), so it won't matter even if the government was 100% transparent there will always be the narrative that they haven't actually shown everything.
Exactly. Over classification and compartmentalization is a huge problem. This isn’t N. Korea after all.
I heard from researching the military on other topics is it's basically don't fix what isn't broken attitude. It worked in the past so they continue to use that philosophy today when it comes to certain operations or tech etc. There's definitely other countries after our information and would love to know what the military is doing. So being compartmentalize is a way to stop information leaking into the wrong hands. Not saying it's right, just giving an explanation on why they operate that way.
I just want to say how much I appreciate Nolan's mic quality. In an age of zoom calls and especially giving interviews, there's little excuse to not invest $50 on a quality mic instead of whispering into a garbage laptop microphone.
Yes. It’s extremely hard to have that consistency though, because many of our guests have either neither done any interviews or done so few they haven’t invested in a mic yet.
Conformity to a scientific idea, with any challenge being censored is what erodes public trust.
What erodes public trust is those purposefully pushing "challenges" just for the purpose of attention-seeking/financial incentive. They're not going to admit that's what it was about, so they fund-raise off of having been (rightfully) censored. It isn't censorship, it's burden of proof. It's a lose-lose situation for science.
Thank you for this. Wonderful minds and good insights
Please use the intro song more in future episodes. In my opinion, it’s literally the best one you guys have, and it is absolutely incredible at setting the tone for the episode at hand
Good work John, as usual. 🫶👍
Thanks for listening
Great interview.always enjoy this stuff thanks
Gary is an intelligent and compelling guest, really impressed.
Brilliant! Thanks to all...
Thanks Gully!
Art Bell level.
I know, I say it all of the time, but this program gives out a good vibe.
Ultimate compliment. Thank you.
Without a doubt, I agree.
Interesting interview! Thanks for the episode.
John, thanks for your content!
Here we are....I'm listening from Yuma Arizona. Exited to follow always.
This is one of the most important interviews I've heard in a while.
Why is it important? Isn't it all 🐂💩 and just another lie to manipulate people since their war God is failing
Thank you
Excellent.
Intriguing episode.
A hell yeah gracias señor Gary Nolan y señor Peter Skafish
One of those podcasts where you just go Wow! 👏🏻
Keep up the good work john, many of these comments are completely unintelligible, kind of odd to see, certainly not what i expected. Loved the show as always!
Exactly. The only people against government transparency is the DoD itself.
Literally everyone else supports government transparency for the billions of taxes spent on this.
There are a lot of debunkers and bots trying to distract us and keep the military industrail complex money flowing.
Agreed. The only ones against government transparency is the DoD and some debunkers and bots.
The rest of us are united for UAP disclosure.
A lot of people DO NOT want to Believe this Information! For some reason??? Why???
Mercury is crazy dense for a solar system object at 5.427 grams per cubic centimeter. This is because it's mostly metal. Not even the infamous metal asteroid Psyche is denser. In fact there's only one object we know about that's denser. And that object? The densest thing we know about in the whole solar system is Earth, at 5.551 grams.
Both of these things being the result of early collisions is very likely. Both being the same collision? Hadn't considered that, but definitely possible. Now I want to see isotope ratios.
In order to have as much surface gravity as Earth, a planet of "normal" or Mars-like density would have to have nearly one and a half times Earth's diameter. And that would make it's gravity field one and a half times as deep. You probably couldn't ever escape that planet (and the likely deeper denser atmosphere) with rockets. Not even if you launch from a powerful ground-based electric yeeter. Well, maybe you could with materials science well advanced over our own, but it would be capital-H HARD and we wouldn't expect any us-like life forms to survive the acceleration.
So one Fermi hypothesis is that maybe nobody else was lucky enough in terms of planetary density and gravity field, that they could figure out how to ever leave their homeworld.
Every time they've announced the discovery of a "super Earth" I've wondered, how would anyone escape that gravity. Perhaps we are not giving them enough credit for ingenuity. They might fly a plane in circles until they reach the top of the atmosphere, and then launch a rocket from the plane.
The Great Filter that I don't hear anyone addressing is that all land animals are descended from the same fish that ventured out of the water. (Not counting plants, insects, etc.) It only happened once. Most intelligences in the universe might be ocean dwellers with limited technology. How do they even make fire?
But perhaps they start with crude circuits, beaten out of metal, powered by batteries, encased in some natural rubber, then powered up.
Some alien intelligence might say of us that we would need a high vacuum for various technologies, and how would we create vacuums in air without access to space? But we have no problem creating good vacuums for our particle accelerators, and old vacuum tube technology.
@@EinsteinsHair There is one construction that could get off the surface of any planet no matter how dense, but its infrastructure and energy requirements are absolutely nuts. Essentially it involves building an orbital ring on the ground, including vacuum-filled tunnels with electromagnetic tracks, all the way around your planet. And then loading them with mass and bringing the mass up to orbital velocity on the ground. And then past orbital velocity, so they begin to lift (and slightly expand) the whole damn ring. The ring itself doesn't move relative to the local atmosphere, so no velocity drag. But the masses going around the world in the vacuum inside the tubes would have to be moving crazy fast.
That construction could support its own weight without requiring massive input of power, at any altitude. You want it to hover ten feet off the ground, all the way around the world? If there are no hills in the way it can. You want to bring it up to an altitude of a couple miles, with tethers you can get maglev cars up and down to take fast trips around the planet? You can do that. You want to put up six of them, at different altitudes over the equator, with tethers from one to the next all the way up to orbital altitude, even though your gravity well is too deep to get a tether all the way to space? You can do that too.
But it's hard to imagine a civilization being unified enough, and willing to devote that much energy and infrastructure, to have access to space. Admittedly it would be first class access, but seriously what kind of creature would value it enough to overcome all the politics and property disputes and be willing to devote infrastructure and energy, for a massive project that would take decades to build, when that stuff could be going to support better lives for its people on the surface?
My question is why Nolan proposes that these alien technologies should be shopped around to (presumably) US corporations and VCs when they are the inheritance of all mankind. This should be an open source project that allows talented people from across the planet a chance to apply alien technology to the world's problems. Otherwise it will become yet another source of global inequality.
We can dream. But it already is a source of global inequity. To get anything accomplished may require working with a screamingly imperfect system.
I think if the knowledge of something like this exists then yes, all of mankind deserves to know, even if it was discovered by the US, we don't have IP rights on the truth.
That said, the talented people across the planet capable of applying alien technology to anything, come from countries that already back engineer most of our technologies or use corporate espionage and in most cases hold the belief that the US is the source of global inequality, making it one of the world's problems needing to be solved.
In a perfect world everyone has equal access to everything and there is no inequality.... but I feel some people would use advanced technology to advance the extinction of the many citizens, such as myself, who have no control over the actions of the few in power that make those decisions.
Garry knows more then he can say !
I'm really hesitant on this, mainly due to this idea that "scepticism is the enemy". Respect to Dr Nolan and company, but Skafish just sets me on edge about it. He just seems to trigger my BS meter for some reason.
Literally no one said "scepticism is the enemny". If that was your take, maybe listen to it again.
@@TheCuriousOrbs they didn't come right out and say it just like that (in fact, "literally" the opposite was said). However, they seemed to somehow "paint the idea" that skepticism is bad. Probably a "double speak tactic" they learned from whatever Intel agency)😂😂
Yeah you entirely lost me with that mask off moment of telling me to just believe what Dear Leader says. These three people have just lost all credibility with me, this is religion, not science.
@@rustymustard7798you just haven’t been paying attention.
@rustymustard7798 Taking the Kirkpatrick approach I see. Which is ironic, because Kirkpatrick is not credible at all. Lol in fact he's literally a disinfo guy.
Check out the *SOL FOUNDATION* folks
Jmg is a nerd in the best kind of way
Thank you kindly, young man for your time and contributions. Your videos are wonderful and insightful that is refreshing. Plus just always a delightful interaction with the guest(s) involved or even just describing specific scenarios and all. Thank you for everything y'all do! 😊🌎❤️🕺🏻🔭
Love this interview. Please tell Peter to get a new microphone.
sounds fine to me
Yeah, another Event Horizon! My night is just getting better! 🥰😍
Gary Nolan is so smart the way he speaks.
17:57 obfuscation by information overload.
personally, I don't think non-Earth life has visited Earth. I think I have some very valid reasons for believing this, but I respect that reasonable minds could disagree. I do think it is perfectly possible something a piece of equipment (such as an exploratory probe) made by non-Earth life could made it to here, whether it was sent our way on purpose or it just eventually randomly crossed paths with Earth's orbit and crashed.
Exciting times!
The Italians have been very open about this for quite some time.
Links to anything readable or watchable?
@@ekothesilent9456 Lue Elizondo went there, not sure who made the video though. They were very open, and shared information on camera. He also went to the Vatican and found a document from BCE Rome describing a "flaming shield" flying in the sky. It sounds crazy as I'm typing this.
@@ekothesilent9456 I found the episode I was thinking of, it was part of a history channel series called Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation (season 1 episode 6). It was free on RUclips when I saw it, but doesn't seem to be there anymore. It aired on June 28, 2019, and it is titled The Revelation23. "In this episode, Elizondo and his team go to Italy to probe a case where a UFO allegedly shot down a helicopter in 2004." They showed him pictures of the event. And, suggested that in order for the UFO to fire its weapon it had to come out of whatever cloaking capability it had. I know it sounds totally crazy, and I'm not a fan of the way the History channel presents these things. But what government official would make up a story like that? Surely their credibility would be on the line after making allegations like this.
The faith in the workings of congress is silly at best. If congress legislates something , that is not evidence of anything.
Get a Clue.
@@FMDD168 Well articulated. I will take you seriously... Once Congress has fixed all of the problems.
You think politicians are willingly going to put their name to something that could be potential career destroyers? Hint: Politicians are EXTREMELY risk averse.
@@TheCuriousOrbs You have swallowed the ridiculous narrative that these political operatives, posing as scientists have fed you. That was a stupid strawman argument that you are just repeating. Think for yourself. Who exactly is putting their career in danger? How? Please explain rather than parrot their nonsense
@@TheCuriousOrbs If most republicans put their names to the notion that the 2020 election was stolen which incidentally was rejected as false by about 60 courts across America then they would be prepared to put their names to other potentially ridiculous things as well.
Also last I checked a YouGov poll in September 2022 showed that 34% of Americans believe that aliens are visiting earth in UFOs and then 30 odd percent of other people don't know and the other 30 odd percent of Americans believe UFOs have a natural non-alien explanation. So given these stats it would almost certainly not be a career killer to support the Schumer legislation and in fact it may even help you in some parts of America where conspiratorial thinking is more popular.
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“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.”
― Stuart Chase
That sounds like an argument for gods existence if little aliens are flying about we have a chance at proof but I'm sceptical about aliens that only live in America
St Ignatius of Loyola pray for us!
@@lucasgibbs4879. Portugal, Brazil, Russia, Mexico, France . . . Watch Unacknowledged 🛸✨💥
@@lucasgibbs4879If that comment is a repetition of the skeptical canard that this is an American or Western mythology or pop culture .. I suggest you check out the “UFO clubs” of China of the 1980s (annoyed the government enough that it sought to ban them), or the past to present history of UFO phenomenon in Latin America and Japan.
"And for the rest of us who are just curious, let us look!"
Best Episode yet !
Still nothing in the way of proof. It’s frustrating not to get a clear answer on UAPs.
My thoughts exactly. I saw the title and thought let’s reach a UAP world first never mind a post UAP world. We are currently in a hearsay world with a hefty sprinkling of potential misinformation.
kinda frustrating. That's why we have science. We wanna get rid of that "U"
as long as the "U" is there, you cannot have answers. Hence the "U"
Agreed. And, unfortunately, without some kind of strong evidence to show up... Things aren't going to change.
Patience is a Virtue. So is motivating yourself to do your own research, instead of waiting for the silver platter.
@@FMDD168 "...do your own research..."
They have alien spacecraft. Then it is classified. Or they don't. Then there is nothing to research. Either way, you cannot make your own research in this field.
27:05 NEGATIVE sir, this is much MUCH worse than letting us eat cake.
I think if one of of committed a crime we wouldn't be pardoned. I'm sorry but I don't agree with letting them all be pardoned. Particularly if they murdered someone.
Why don't multiple journalists and concerned citizens ask the high-ranking US politicians in America why they have opposed the Schumer legislation rather than jumping to conspiratorial conclusions?
Iam an Australian so it's not my place to write a letter to US politicians but I could certainly imagine some reasons why they would oppose the Schumer legislation which have nothing to do with trying to cover up non-human technology.
Obstructing the establishment of a coherent ufo policy allows them to distract from the really alarming issues they should be tackling on behalf of their constituency. That’s why.
The reasons for this cover up have not changed and they have even more reasons to keep it covered up
Paranoia is a hell of a drug, I see.
What reason is that? I mean yeah if it's advanced tech they have to keep access to it restricted but that doesn't mean they can't come out and acknowledge they found crashed aliens.
"Yes, we have crashed alien ships, here is the proof and the bodies. Access to the tech is restricted for national security reasons" Done.
Event horizon and UAP UFO is an instant like before I even watch it
I did not know Skafish wrote a book on Jane Roberts (of the Seth material fame). I went through her books a year or so ago. Quite fascinating that he is involved with that, even if tangentially.
Almost every scientist you had on your program and I watched many of them. Were against the knowledge of having alien crafts from another planet here on Earth. And you agreed with them, there's no way they could travel. This distance was many times The philosophy.
Not entirely correct. I've pointed out on multiple occasions that there is the von Neumann and Fermi loophole. If you're willing to invest enough time, you can cross space, but it's going to take very long periods and probably have to be done robotically. That's the one way it's possible under our current knowledge.
DDN -- Denand Disclosure Now!
Organize a campaign to ensure its the last term ever for those blocking the info from coming out
❤ GARY NOLAN 😊🎉
Best of ambient space music HD, a 4 hour mix. I also love that one:)
Which "Aeronautics Groups" where lobbying please? That's really quite important.
Raytheon
they are Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Raytheon, EG&G, and add Blackrock in for good measure as they are probably providing the “Private Security Recovery Teams” that swoop in for the recovery of UAP’s
@@steve7059 so all the companies that were completely superior to entities like Bigelow aerospace and the descendants of Lear?
Who were desperately upset at being light years behind in terms of relevance, funds, credible projects, funding....
But the heads of whom were extremely upset at being promised gigs but ultimately found to be not capable of the expertise to forward technological muscle.
Solar Warden is one of like a dozen fleets that all think they're the only ones.
These guys just agreed there are non-human created vehicles - which makes the change of name from UFO to UAP derisory. The term UAP embraces natural atmospheric phenomena - and that's Not what anybody is talking about.
The acronym UAP "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena" replaced UFO “Unidentified Flying Object”. Using the phrase UAP is all encompassing and helps replace both UFO and USO (Unidentified Submerged Object) due to the fact that these trans medium crafts seem to move through water as easily as air and space.
Do podcasts with you and the person you invite live.
In the future. Most of the time it’s not feasible but when and where we can, we will.
Yes yes yes !!! 🤔(Green Fire, UK) 🌈🦉
You blew my mind dude.
I have to say that the appeal to authority at 10:10 is absolutely wild. The idea that we should take something seriously because of congressional interest is totally ridiculous. Congress is a clown car.
Bugger! Awesome interview (thankyou 🙏!) but the audio quality from Peter's end... 🫨
46:09 "Follow the money..." John, more likely it's seen as a waste of tax payer money, especially if there's no "alien' source, and whatever threat exists winds up coming from some place like North Korea or China. Let experts that are interested have a look and evaluate hypotheses on whatever evidence exists. But it's like you've stated many times, "Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence." or something similar. At some time, as a public servant, you've got to decide whether pursuing something is worth the money.
Happiness from Detroit, Bruce what's going on ? Where are the comments. Love ya brother.
You don't really hear people talk about this idea, but I think a lot of people sense it implicitly and it's potentially a big reason for some people's adamant unwillingness to consider that sometimes there could be a weird machine in the sky: if there truly are sneaky, deceptive, extremely advanced aliens active around this planet, then potentially in principle _anything could happen, or be engineered to seem to happen,_ no matter how impossibly magical or absurd or inane, because it could just be another twist of incomprehensible alien whimsy or just another layer of some superhumanly intricate psychosocial prodding of humankind for study and/or manipulation. The world becomes effectively re-enchanted out from under you, and you have to face that the world you've developed a metaphysical & spiritual grounding in as being fundamentally logical, understandable, and possessed of a literally sublimely beautiful crystalline elegance might be being technologically twisted into an epistemic fever swamp of illogic and esotericism by the hidden caprice or calculation of beings functionally not so different from the gods you've insisted couldn't possibly exist. How embarrassing!
If you've long treasured majestic visions of glittering starfaring civilizations extending human dreams of the power of knowledge and cooperation across the lightyears, longing to one day meet the Vulcans or the Culture, it's hard to consider the reality you might be getting is something more like the mischievous Trelane jingling toy saucers and dummy spacemen in front of our eyes or the surreally incomprehensible colossi of _Roadside Picnic,_ but the scientifically rigorous are always among the first to say we should be ready to be surprised by things too weird for us to have imagined.
The powers that be want to control the process of disclosure to secure their own interests. As always.
Yeah it seems the more this goes on, and the more interviews and pcasts and whatnot that are churned out, the more i keep hearing the discussion and opinions softening in regards to who is responsible for the hell so many have been documented having gone through.
Its starting to become all "let's keep treating the multibillion dollar tech and military industries with kid gloves. Oh nO! we can't possibly be told basic realities of nature and existence because oh no those poor suffering markets and religious institutions and power structures might have to deal with the repercussions!"
The kind of repercussions that reorganize society into something more open and less (but no doubt, *still*) corrupt! CaNT hAvE tHaT! Too many upper and high class investers might lose something! The People^tm cant be trusted with reality! They're too stupid or angry or untrustworthy or maybe another country will be mad or declare war or cats and dogs will get married!! or some shit.
Seriously, unless they have proof that God's not real, or the true nature of the afterlife, there's nothing they could say that would end the world. It would just end the gatekeepers' leverage and cost them their billions. And, as a nobody with nothing like billions of other people, id love to see it.
Looking forward to another great talk
Hello, sorry for the somewhat off topic question, but is Event Horizon planning on having Avi Loeb back on anytime soon to get a status on his research (regarding the spherules from the Pacific Ocean and his search for UAP)?
It would be great to hear an update on that.
His YT video on the Sol Foundation s Amazing! But that’s also from November 17th 2023.
It'll happen. The next step for the spherules is another expedition to try to recover the main mass, which I believe is already funded. For the UAP, it's a matter of collecting data with the observatory at Harvard, and building the other observatories. There was a solid test however of the Harvard observatory recently, they had a multiple sensor detection of a meteorite fall over New England and they put out a call asking if anyone visually saw it. Just a meteorite, but it proved that the systems in place are working.
@@JohnMichaelGodier thanks for the response, I’m really looking forward to that episode
Sy Fi plots just write themselves. - so in the next few years, this issue will merge with the problem of global climate destabilization. Perhaps external intelligence has been following our conundrum. Ferociously interesting times ahead. Good time to be alive and paying attention.
Excellent work! To have some measure of wealth in our society, is to have access to currency or materials that one can spend at their whim. To be truly wealthy, however, is to garner influence through technology, and set planetary policy. To be anywhere in our solar system in a days’ time, that is worth more than most fortunes built here on earth. I often refer to President Eisenhower’s farewell address; we must protect against the unwarranted influence of a “scientific and technological elite” from within our military industrial complex. I do not think that this is purely a matter of greed, however. The scariest part of the entire subject of exopolitics, is that the United States was NOT the First Nation in modern times to exploit the technologies of other civilizations. It would appear that Nazi Germany beat us to that exploitation. Though the early reproduction vehicles from the late 30’s and 40’s were crude, the ability to somewhat-efficiently travel through space was worth more than any fortune on the planet at that time. If we look at what happened after conflict ended on the continent, the way that many (but not all) German scientists were absorbed into the American and Soviet military industrial complexes, how and why the extraterrestrial/exopolitical issue is handled the way it is handled seventy years later becomes very clear; access to alien technologies is administered in a top-down, fascistic way, with a very small scientific and technological elite reaping the benefits, and the rest of our planetary population left in the proverbial dark. Art imitates life, often. One of my favorite films is Star Trek’s “Wrath of Khan”. In a prequel installment, threatening to destroy our world with his private armies and weapons, Khan is placated when the militaries of our world gift to him a crude alien reproduction vehicle (not named as such in the book), to take himself and his genetically-augmented followers to colonize a new world, instead of destroying our current one. “If I cant have it, then nobody can” is a mantra of many of the truly wealthy of our time. Let us pray that these fears never come to fruition.
Eye opening. 👁
Great convo
57:35 Nolan says we anthropomorphise or we apply a human level of logic to things in response to John's notion that tech of non human origin, perhaps millions of years old, could be running errors and misbehaving. Well, Garry, like us, they supposedly crash, so they're not infallible, an attribute shared by humans. Taking that into consideration it could have probes here that are not acting as they should, because - ya know - they make mistakes, much like us.
It's also dangerous anthropomorphisation to assume that UAPs are vehicles. It is entirely possible that they are the entities themselves, whose non-terrestrial composition allows them to move in Earth's gravity well in a manner that resembles propulsion.
@@tuomasronnberg5244That could be possible, however, they have explicitly stated that a *technology* that has undergone an industrial process, i.e. an unorthodox atomically layered *material* of non-human origin, had been discovered and was being kept by certain aerospace corporations, with the goal being the back engineering of these craft. It was also stated that *occupants* and/or biologics were discovered with these craft.
I suppose I can entertain your hypothesis that these are organic flying beasties, but.where are the occupants coming from? Are they riders atop them flying around our atmosphere, much like we ride horses on the ground? 🤔 😂
@@RAZORREVOLUTION1 I believe that UAPs have been detected, and I believe that crash landings have been reported. However, I am not yet convinced that UAPs of true alien origin have crash landed on Earth i.e. these recovered materials could be explained by secret weapons projects of other Earth nations and other such sources.
There is an argument to be made that extraterrestrials are of multidimensional origin, that is, they reside at least partly outside the spacetime we are familiar with.
Consider dipping your fingers in a lake and moving them around. From the fishes' point of view they behave against the known laws of nature, gliding around without using fins or muscles for swimming. Nevertheless, fingers are still entirely natural from our point of view. In a similar fashion aliens could be "dipping" into our universe from some higher dimension, which would explain the unusual flight properties of UAPs.
I think there's a fine line to run when it comes to anthropomorphising. For example the idea that we shouldn't apply any logic to UAP because they might be capable of what amounts to magic and their goals may be totally unknowable to us seems like a cop out. If an organism exists and created technology, then it's going to have convergent features with us. Stars are all more or less the same, and it's stands to reason that life capable of creating technology like we do would share some basic traits with us. It might be quite different in a lot of ways but you'll still be able to recognise it as intelligent life or as technology.
David Grusch for President 👽🇺🇸
I am backing the non-human biologic.
It's good to consider potential negative consequences of disclosure, and to manage them. However, in all fairness, some level of attempt to quantify the harm from non-disclosure is also critically necessary. I'd love to know, for example, if anthropogenic climate change could have been averted, or drastically mitigated, if disclosure had occurred a tad more urgently. In the end, if there is something pertinent to disclose in that regard, then I'm sure history will judge those who withheld said pertinent information in the most negative light possible.
Right now we can only speculate about what we're destroying, i.e. losing. Eventually the tally will be known. The value, lost or squandered, will be known.
Great video and information !
People can hold a view with a dogmatic-like certainty at both ends of the debate and should be treated with equal skepticism.
Does nobody see the link between the invention of the transistor and the supposed capture of a uap at rosswell in 1947?
"...certain witnesses in certain organizations with classified information about the whys and wherefors of which vehicles, and I was thrilled with the positive amd enthusiastic feedback at the symposium about the event, with very inventive professional discourse about what needs to take place, and it hasn't been done exactly that way before..." you can say a whole lot without saying anything at all! If you actually transcribe this stuff, it's a whole lot of fluff. I'm not upset at all with the interview, because I expected such a result. I just keep hoping to get specific, detailed verifiable proof that we've captured flying saucers. They can still keep the actual tech classified... IF it exists. This interview implies that it does exist, that we have these craft and are reverse engineering it... but the interviewees don't say it in a 100% for sure way.
Oh my, Fluff? You're going to have serious difficulty with the imminent Paradigm shift.
I have always believed that the military witnesses have always been very compelling !
And ( my view ) , if we don't believe these people , then who do we believe ?
Ii bet if this is real guys at SETI are going to be super embarrassed 😂. If this is a possible threat and for science to ignore/ridiculed for 75 years this could be catastrophic situation for humanity 😮
the guys at SETI eidh this would all go away.... actual disclosure cuts contracts over there..... it should .... they've robbed the govt long enough🤣🤣🤣🚬🚬🚬🤫
wish, I meant...
I've watched a lot of SETI Institute videos and interviews and talks they've given, and I don't think they will be embarrassed at all. Seth Shostak has said something to the effect that people have shown him a lot of fuzzy photos but no convincing evidence. Jill Tarter has shared her own encounter when she was in a plane with her pilot husband at night. There was something coming directly towards them, but air traffic control said there was nothing on radar. For a couple of minutes there was something very real, then a cloud they couldn't see stopped obstructing their view, and it was clearly just the moon. Why should they be embarrassed? All of the evidence they have seen is fuzzy photos and misidentification.
And SETI has been ridiculed. In 1992, one of the few times the government has put up any money, NASA started a ten year search. One Senator mocked it publicly, and NASA dropped the program.
They've had to rely on donations. They got Paul Allen to fund the Allen Telescope Array. Before that they had to get permission for radio telescope time. Once they got permission to put a second receiver on Arecibo. So astronomers would point it wherever they wanted, and the SETI receiver would be pointed just to the side of that. They have also done commensal searches, where they got a copy of an astronomer's raw data and did their own search for signals within it.
If UAPs are real, well they are not trying to communicate, so SETI is looking for someone who will. Is there only one intelligent civilization in the galaxy?
You mean scientists in general
42:03 that's a cool picture
Its such a frustrating subject,. Using a metaphor its like having a delicious sausage casserole in ftont of you and never getting to eat it coz your spending all your time trying to find the actual sausage within
Oooops spelled disaster wrong. Ok im old my fingers dont work all that well anymore. 😢😂
BUT it could be the EXTERMINATE trigger is: "lifeform capable of interfering with the probe" this would explain WHY we keep this under wraps . maybe some other spices warned us, or maybe the probe just told us, who knows. there's very real great risks here and disclosure could lead directly to pulling that trigger
An animal that knows it’s in a zoo is much less valuable…
I was talking this seriously the Peter fish started speaking
Definitely an interesting episode, enjoyed it a lot.
More of this, it’s an absolute interesting topic that gives some thought that really gives of some cool ideas.
When that I said, the US government will probably never declassify this for the simple fact that if this is true, the US has guaranteed been poking and killing all around them, it’s just how the US government is.
Therefore, it would be most optimal it came from other countries before, then US will be shown as a joke once again, for keeping everything away from people which goes far beyond own country interests.
It’s sad, but reality is the US has always, and will always be corrupt as hell, putting themself ahead regardless of the after effects.
It's very strange that it hasn't come out from any other country in a credible way.
Gary Nolan is wrong about the Inspector General describing David Grusch's UAP claims as credible because the Inspector General wrote to Congress and specifically told them that he has not investigated any UAP programs.Grusch made a number of complaints to the IG involving harassment he has allegedly faced as well as misappropriation of funds and programs which have not been revealed to Congress when they should have been and these are the sort of things the IG was most likely referring to when he described David Grusch's complaint as "urgent and credible" and needing further investigation by authorities. Further to this the podcaster Steven Cambian of Truthseekers said that he personally rang the Inspector General's office and they told him they have not looked into Grusch's UAP claims.They also told Steven that their default position is to describe complaints made to them as "urgent and credible" so I don't think we should necessarily make too much of this phrase and conflate Grusch's down to earth complaints about harassment and malfeasance with his more extraordinary complaints about secret programs involving non-human crafts as Gary Nolan has done.
This notion put forward by this non-human craft cover-up crowd that politicians wouldn't put their name to legislation if it was all based on nonsense is a silly argument when you consider that most Republican politicians in Washington have put their names to the ridiculous notion that the 2020 election was stolen even though about 60 courts in America have thrown this nonsense argument out of court.
The Gary Nolan and Peter Skarfish's of the world talk a big game based on stories, speculative science and conspiracy theories but the man who had the power to fully investigate this issue and uncover the evidence Kirkpatrick found nothing and I find no reason to disbelieve him and believe Nolan and Skarfish. Compelling evidence for non-human crafts has not been found by many US Government appointed bodies across the decades such as NASA and the Condon report. The Condon report was approved by the most prestigious scientific institution in the US namely the National Academy of Sciences. I can't buy this notion that every major report from Project Blue book right through to ARROW has been a deliberate cover-up particularly when you consider that even the UAP taskforce which was headed up by UFO enthusiasts Jay Stratton and Travis Taylor (his chief scientific advisor) also did not produce one shred of hard evidence that non-human crafts have or are here on planet earth.The same thing could also be said about UFO enthusiasts Lue Elizondo of ATIP and James Lacatski of AWSAP.
We can talk conspiracy theories and cover-ups forever but what it all boils down to in my view is that those who believe advanced non-human crafts or beings are on planet earth have no compelling evidence to substantiate their claims and this has been the case for decades and decades and the reason they rely on conspiracy theories so much is because they act as a smokescreen to cover up for the fact that they don't have any good evidence for their extraordinary claims.
There are craft flying around that defy the laws of physics. How do you explain that? The Phoenix lights incident, hundreds of people saw a craft that was 1,000 ft long flying love over their heads. Hell even the governor said he saw it
You hope.
@@Hyzer_Sozay I don't hope for nothing I just follow the evidence wherever it leads me.
Hope and faith are characteristic of a religious mindset which I don't have.I only want the truth I don't want to fool myself into believing what is comforting if I can't find any strong evidence for it.If Aliens are here great I wouldn't lose one second of sleep but I can't see any good evidence for anything alien or advanced non_human on planet Earth.
I don't hope, I follow the evidence wherever I think it leads.Hope is characteristic of a religious mindset which I don't have.I just want the truth, if advanced non humans are here then great but I don't want to fool myself into believing that they are here when there is no good evidence for this notion in my view.
@@danstevens6455 You dont hang on to Cambyons do you. Him and Mick West are so intent on putting downer on people and strong evidence. People like you and the debunker should be ashamed of yourself. David Gruche, Garry Nolan, Avi Loeb, Dr Steven Greer and others are trying to make the world a better place. The ufo phenomena, when disclosed and treated in a positive way, this will change the world, ie climate change reversal, no reliance on fossil fuels, nuclear power, health benefits, ect.
Yup. Wheres theres
Smoke theres fire.
I once made a comment on a long ago episode of this very channel that I believed that UFO/UAP were very real and that there was much evidence for it !
Someone sent me a most nasty and derogatory reply ( basically calling me a tin foil hat wearing idiot !
Well , all I can say to that person now is ...LOL !!
Our policy since we started the show was we would only cover it once academia and credentialed scientists were researching the issue.
That's fair enough !
Will say John , that I've loved astronomy for many years , and since I've been using RUclips your channel was one of the first of it's type that I subscribed to !
And still one of the very best channels of it's type out there !
I think the aliens know how to make tin-foil and starships