[4.0] What The Fontaine Archon Quest Doesn't Tell You (Genshin Impact Theory)
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2023
- Did you notice something odd in Fontaine's Archon Quests? Let's discuss that. I hope you enjoy the video :D
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There’s another issue as well which is the Oratrice. Lyney claimed he was trying to investigate the Oratrice so he snuck into the room where the core was hidden, but why specifically during the Official Performance?
He has had plenty of time to rehearse, no? They even constructed a vent specifically for the purpose of sneaking in, so why not investigate earlier? Additionally, we don’t even know if Lyney really left as he claimed. We are taking his words at face value, but once you take a step back and think, it’s almost like we know nothing at all.
I am pretty sure that all these nuances are just writing mistakes
They made the underground so they can get near the vent. The safest way to infiltrate is when you misdirect everyone's attention.
I like to think that he did it during the actual performance because this would create absolutely no suspicion at all in what he was doing down in the tunnel if the show went as planned. If he did it earlier, he might have been found out. However I do find it strange how he only needed ONE MINUTE to investigate it. Like what could he do in that room that it would only take one minute during the countdown? Unless I'm just looking too much into it idk
My guess is the construction of the vent are being monitored by Fontaine authorities and Lyney being a Fatui is supposed to be a secret so it'd be weird if he suddenly vented in the middle of the construction
Lyney is essentially a spy, I really don't think he is as innocent as he looks. But if the end goal is to expose the prophecy to the people of fountaine, i would say mission accomplished. I dont believe its for good either like lyney says the intention is.
The only part I'm suspicious is how Lyney went under to look into the oratrice, heard a voice and left due to being shocked. I don't buy that. A person on Reddit gave a more elaborated version where Lyney did something to force it to give guilty verdict to targaglia. After all, this isn't the first time a Tortellini gets screwed over by scheming from another harbinger... The plot is to make people of Fontaine lose hope in the concept of justice.
On your theory, I think Oratrice was given target not a Childe, Tartaglia, but as a fatui harbinger. And my guess is that 'the father' is the one who kidnapped Halsey.
Maybe "Halsey" is a fake name for Arlecchino as well. Or Halsey was also a fatui's ally, so she was ready to disappear for a while. But the last one wouldn't make sense, since they would have to check on her family, her house and records to check who the "real halsey" was. "Halsey" might never even exist, that's why I thought of Arlecchino
i disagree with your last part of thinking, you said "the 'father' is the one who kidnapped halsey". if she really did that then it doesn't make sense why she would save lynette when she was sold to a random npc. Lyney himself said that when he arrived he saw "father" who saved his sister lynette. I am free to listen to your thoughts.
@@soulmasher3802 We haven't seen much from her, but my initial assumption would be that she treats children differently from adults. Afterward, she is part of Fatui.
Also, I meant by kidnap her is less of 'we are doing evil stuff with her' and more of 'we need her out of the picture for our scheme to destroy peoples hope in justice'.
@@manoelafvb Assuming that Fatui knew about that guy who died before Lyney's trial, I do not think so.
Remember the guy specifically made the random machine target a person who was a young woman (M O of the disappearance case) so I highly doubt that he picked a fatui ally.
No, I think it's much more likely that either Fatui do something to her... Or that the writers forgot about her, LMAO.
No really, why else would nobody mention 'hey how about the person who originally had the ticket? How did we not confirm with her?'. But hey, theorizing is more fun than party pooper response of plot hole.
@@runelt99 I also highly believe it's a plot hole, but I'm hoping and begging for it to be addressed in the last part :')
Damn I thought it was weird at the time that Liliane went to a Lyney show knowing that was the same guy who almost caught her. I thought she was either dumb or arrogant that Lyney wouldn't recognize and report her. Now it all makes sense if this theory is true. I never even realized that the real Halsey was nowhere to be found even after everything that happened because I too, was too focused on the current mystery with the Primordial water thing.
I agree. I just enjoyed their magic show. Damn- I never knew I'm actually gullible hahaha! I must say they did a good job with the magic show so many of us are so drawn to it.
to be fair she stole the ticket before he caught her. and the seat she stole is quite at the far back, so i dont think she intented on getting caught.
@@mintaroum.9096 am i the only one who interpretted that she came to fontaine to see lyney's show ? Not the other way around, as in she came to fontaine and just happened to hear that theres a great magic show nearby
@@MefoWho oh! That makes sense actually. I havent think about this before.
i literally want to ditched them because i legit felt like i was scammed by them. when i realized they were fatui, it makes sense why the same npc was there. I hate it because they even used their sad story to weaponized against us. the twins wanted to make a crime so that it would scam the archon but the fact that they failed to do so because of cowel, i can see why alerchino was not impressed.
In the next act, she'll be really be putting a show where she'll scam everyone. They're not doing it to save the prophecy, at best they try to use it to leverage everyone in a corner, forcing the archon into pressure, give them the gnosis.
I am partial to the twin coerced Liliane when they caught her at the port, since i recall Lyney say something like this:
"If the magic is interrupted, who knows where you might end up? You might even find yourself in the Fortress of Meripode"
As if he remind her to keep following the script or else.
And remembering Lyney character story (where he faked the return of Phantom Weasel to caught the REAL Phantom Weasel), i am more convinced that Lyney find out about Cowell (both about his relation with the women disappearance and how he tried to frame Lyney) and concocted this one big act to get back to Cowell and perhaps exposed Cowell's syndicate in process.
And if that what happened, He succeeded. Cowell is dead, Vacher is exposed, and Lyney might able to gain more info about Primordial Water to prevent the Prophecy later.
Yes! I remembered this part. I just took it as face value cause just like most of us, we were truly enjoying the magic show.
There’s too many suspicious things happening but I find it hard to believe hoyo will try to make the twins the bad guy again
Exactly
Not only that but they disappeared for a few minutes and lyney was like "sorry I twisted my ankle and lost her"(when they are fatui spies??? Mistakes can happen but it's a bit too suspicious)
no, later on when explaining why she was hiding she said "he even mention the fortress of meripode. i thought he was onto me for sure!" so i guess that was just a coincidence.
Considering the involvement of the Fatui here, we should also consider Childe being "guilty" and being sent to the Fortress of Meropide to be all part of the plan too. Now, why exactly? We shall find out soon.
maybe he took Halsey?
You're right. Because if Lyney did had the chance to tamper with the Oratrice, it might explain why the thing acted against Neuvilette's judgment.
Imagine if that's the case, and that Childe isn't even aware of the whole plan once again, just like in Liyue's chapter 😂
ohhh yes omg yes this too @@nna_
lmao I can imagine his face @@lumcidity
I'm fairly certain that we're being misled by the trailer. Remember Childe's Vision malfunctioning, his dream of 'an endless black sea' and 'awakening something in it'. He also mentions being in a bad mood for no reason lately.
I'm almost certain that, since Oratrice is powered by the gnosis, it's acting in self-defense or thinks that Childe is part of the Primordial Sea somehow (as the giant whale he saw left its traces on him), and thus - part of the crime (Sea disolves people).
Interesting theory.
If this is the case then Fontaine's Archon quest would be the best one so far.
even if its not the truth, theres still more archon quests to come so we cant guarantee anything
just enjoy the show
That it certainly will be. Even with the odd pacing and other faults, Inazuma was overall a more enjoyable quest than Liyue. Sumeru is almost universally considered the best written Archon Quest. So naturally Hoyo will try to make Fontaine even more beloved
@@LittleGhost9966I mean it makes sense. As the story progresses, it’s been getting more serious and its revealing more of the secrets of teyvat so it’s only natural each subsequent quest is better than the previous. It’s funny because the more we learn the more you realise how little we actually know - which basically sums up this Fontaine quest so far
Imo every new archon quest was better than the last. The whole court thing was amazing and I loved it to death, when nahida "almost" had her gnosis taken I was on the edge of my seat and la signora's death was unprecedented
Tbh the trailers reveal a good portion of the story and set up. Similar to sumeru loop and being a lie.
On second thought, it is thanks to this case that the theme of "people dissolving in water" gains popularity, and which allows the real murderer to be brought to light in Part 2 of the story.
Lyney and Lynette may be suspicious, but at least they don't seem to be lying when they say they mean well...
Also they say Arlecchino has the same goal, so not sure how or why are we going fight if everyone is trying to save fontaine
Did u play Lyney story quest ? He basically does something like this to bring the criminal
i have a high bet that they're using that to make people panicked and giving the hydro archon immense pressure to deal with. the bitch cant even deal the small ones, a chaos panic for the entire nation will be bad news. they dont care in saving anything, they just want to scam the archon for the gnosis@@asoret
@@asoret No, they said she was going to let them use the Gnosis before taking it. They are literally trying to completely undermine Fontaine's belief in justice; that which powers their whole nation.
It might even mean they are being manipulated by Arlecchino and the Fatui into doing things that go far beyond the scope of what they originally signed up for.
When "Halsey" went missing, the Gardes claimed that they had investigated her house, social connection, etc. However, we never knew if they are actually "investigating". Somewhere in the story, Navia states that the Gardes was heavily infested. While she might refers to the Sinthe goon, I like to believe this could also be true that some Fatuus also infested the Gardes, especially those wishing to save Fontaine from the prophecy. So, my hot takes is that the "Investigation" could be altered by some people in the Gardes. That's why the information of "Halsey" seem to be out of place. As other proof, we did see how easily the Gardes brings "Fake evidence" as seen in the one that states he found primordial water in Lyney's belonging during trial.
If that were the case I think they'd have brought that up in the second murder-case because by then it would have all been resolved. Also, even if the guards actually didn't investigate, you'd think that the first trial made enough news around the city that Halsey or her relatives/friends would have come forward to point out that she's not, in fact, missing.
So, it's either like CatWithBlueHat stated or Hoyo unintentionally created a plot hole.
I believe "Halsey" exists since it was known that she had a "creative block" she might just have gone way fruther than the city to solve it. it's much easier to just fool one artist to make her leave the city than to create an entire person out of thin air. I also don't believe that every information from the guards is innacurate since sucha mess wouldn't have gone past neuville since he does review the cases and it would create inconsistencies. Also since liney and linette are playable and confirmed part of the fatui , i consider them to be lyers but not malicious ( like childe ) thus their stated goal should be fine too.
even if the gardes did a fake investigation, the real Halsey should have heard about what happened and came forth as not missing, or maybe one of her friends or family who heard her ticket was stolen (since if she lost her ticket, she would have probably vented about it to someone, the show was a really big deal). the fact that Halsey never showed up during or after the trial means she did disappear.
@@JustASunflowerSeeD Just thought about it. Halsey got stolen near the port . Maybe she has gone done and is travelling to another country ? The even happenned near the statue and below is a marine port that can go to moonstadt, sumeru or liyue . Or heck a place we haven't seen yet. And we know that there is a delay between events and reports. If she is on a ship , she then has no accès to the steambird or any newspaper.
I thought it was strange that they say he tripped but nothing affected his performance, usually that’s foreshadowing that his injuries is going to cause problem but turns out nothing
Agreed, I thought it’d be something mentioned later like “Lyneys ankle is twisted - he must have twisted it while fighting Halsey in the tunnel” only for us to say “no we can testify he twisted it long before” or something like that
The fact it’s never mentioned again makes me think Lyney and Lynette lied
Same if he really had “twisted his ankle” then they would’ve brought something up about it affecting his performance but instead they didn’t give it a second thought.
oh man genshin story is getting more and more intersting reading many people have different theory
Right? As somebody who has twisted her ankles 3 separate times, I call that BS because I can confidently say that if he had indeed twisted his ankle, he wouldn't be walking within an hour or so after twisting it due to the swelling, much less doing all the stunts he did the next day.
You can usually walk for a bit immediately after the pain subsides when you twist your ankle, but as soon as the swelling starts you won't be able to move your foot without pain, much less walk it off like that.
Usually you won't be able to walk again normally for some 2 days. So either he'd be limping due to the pain if it wasn't too bad, or he would've needed a cast if it was particularly bad. It would've been VERY noticeable, particularly because even in smaller cases you'd need to wrap your ankle to give it some support and it's recommended that you don't walk too much.
There's absolutely NO WAY that Lyney twisted his ankle and was just walking it off normally the next day, climbing through vents and up ladders.
I never trusted Lyney, especially with how he took advantage of his magic trick to sneak through the vent to the Oratrice. He obviously knows more than what he's telling us, and like many of the other posters I wouldn't be surprised if he tampered with the Oratrice or had additional directives from Arlecchino.
I think Hoyo took the "don't tell, show" criticism to heart, though, since Fontaine's world quests are also much more indirect than other regions. Most other world quests are self-contained and had pretty obvious plot points/history, with maybe some extra backstory hidden in books and interactables. Most of Fontaine's big world quests are very fragmented and you don't really know what's going on until you weave every world quest together, at which point they suddenly reveal the entire history of the nation during the cataclysm.
at least that shows they listen to players
Yes, the new area new 'tour guide' world quest approach in Sumeru got old fast. Two were connected because of Jeht, but other than that every world quest felt like its own short story, whereas Fontaine world quests feel like chapters of the same book (or maybe an anthology of interconnected stories). And some, like Ann's and Seymour's stories will even be continued in later areas!
The quests also don't feel quite as handhold-y regarding exploration, which was one of my biggest complaints in Sumeru. To see almost every nook and cranny of the region you just had to follow the designated tour guide in the form of the local world quest, and afterwards you were pretty much... done.
Paimon is still doing most of the talking making the writing absolutely ass so they're selective in the ways they listen to criticism.
Maybe I missed this...
I was like "you snucked in the oratrice" and all's good? The main judge machine in fontaine and it's all good?
that's me trying find all 12 enigmatic pages to get wtf happened to Carter, alain's assistent.
Now I'm wondering if Freminet has any kind of part in this, especially since we didn't get much info on what he was doing during the quest. This quest just keeps creating more questions.
Also Freminet mentioned "my mission" at the very start of the trailer. There's a possiblity that he has doing something else behind our backs all this time.
if you're gonna follow that line, Freminet's role in the trio dynamic is that he is the props and machines guy. He takes care and develops the props for Lyney's magic show. Since the Oratrice was described as a machine, Freminet is the best guy to investigate it until we have a Fontainian machine specialist
I have a gut feeling he would have a part in Childe's stage (yeah just basically what happens with childe) later when he performs his act at Fortress of Meropide
THAT ONE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THEM ABOUT "SOME CHORES"
When we arrived at their home, Lyney asked Freminet where is the others. I presumed it's the other orphans and Freminet said they all go out. Lyney then said everyone must been busy that "father" (Arlecchino) is coming back. Which led to what Lyney told us at the end of Act 1 where he said everyone in the orphanage is working together to fight the prophecy.
Then Freminet called Lyney and they talk which we didn't heard and Lyney just told us they just talking about "chores" which kinda suspicious to me. Then like other said, Freminet said in the trailer "my mission" so he probably either working together with the twins and the others or he have a separate mission.
congratulations, your new theory not only made me realize i completly forgot about the person who was missing, but that the show is indeed FAR from over, and now im very hyped for the next update.
😂lmao same i also forgot about her
I'm starting to Distrust Lyney now. You can't trust a Fatuus. We trust Childe because he's so Open first time we meet him he outright says hes Harbinger. He even admits he dislikes Deception.
Which is Probably why he's not clued in on all there olans because Childe wouldn't be able to keep a secret without being Obvious.
There are some fatuus which can be trusted if enough time is spent with them
Do the chasm side quests
Espiecialy since he said that he will be Alrechinos succesor as "father" of house of hearth.
@@thewhambam Those are Grunts who were cut off and even begged the Traveller for food.
@@thewhambam Quest - "Isolated Electro Cicin Mage". Katarina Snezhevna is one of the quest I couldn't forget.
Don't forget Scaramouche. the dude almost murdered us and Fischl if not for Mona who teleported us away and saved us.
Honestly, it really suspicious now that I realized, he could just a good liar.
In his Story Quest when Charlotte ask him about the The Phantom Wiesel performing in front of the Opera House, he said he was angry (which honestly seems like unexpected yet believable answer, he seems genuine enough).
But later turned out, he's the one who sent the letter.
With that, it could mean that he pretended when he said he was scared when the traveler ask him later after the incident, since he may already planned everything out already.
PS: I just remember when He asked Liliane to enter the box, he said don't try to move so much or you might teleport to the Fortress (the Prison) and Liliane said ok.. nervously. I don't think it's a coincidence that he suddenly said prison of all places to the seemingly coincidence thief in disguise. Thus, streghten the point of this theory.
He became a natural liar during his training in the House. In his lore texts and Story quest he says that he lied as naturally as he breathed to the magic teacher without even realizing it.
And then having a guilt himself to bear for 10 years. couldn't tell truth but lies.
Lyney and Lynette most likely have good intentions for what they are trying to accomplish, but Lyney (or the Knave) definitely controls the stage (or tries to). Lyney and Lynette's backstories show that both are highly capable agents. For two vision holders who couldn't capture a small-time pickpocket, it was suspicious from the start. I'm glad the story improved so much with Genshin.
This show definitely needs a premiere
true, 4.1 and 4.2 too need come faster
Arlecchino is such a mastermimd
I started to think about this after the trial against Lyney was over. I didn't think of it during the trial but when the real Halsey never showed up afterwards I started getting suspicious. I had unfortunately heard the leaks about the siblings being with the Fatui before the quest, but even without that I wouldn't have trusted them. And everything afterwards only deepened that mistrust. Another thing I thought about while watching this video was Childe's sentence. The Oratrice disagrees with Neuvilette for the first time in centuries and sends someone to prison. And not just any person, a Fatui harbinger. And that just so happened to take place right after a know Fatui operative broke inte the baselent of the Opera Epiclese to investigate the Oratrice? Sure. While Lyney claims he never completed his objective, he has told us far more lies than truths so far. Maybe this was all a ploy to get Chidle inside the fortress of Meropide for some yet unknown reason. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
Its possible lyney and lynettes mission was to place more distrust in the fatui from the populace so that when childe stood trial he would be found guilty.
Childe knew he was going to prison which is why he made sure to give his vision to the traveler so it wouldnt be confiscated.
Im not shre whether lyney has the power to specifically tamper with the oratrice.
Also, why the hell was Childe charged and detained in the first place? He hasn't done anything bad in Fontaine that we know of. The disappeareances had been happening for a while and they decide to arrest a literal foreigner that has just set foot on the nation, without any evidence? They never actually bother explaining how he got arrested or why. That was suspicious af.
@@alexanderluna4598 unless his brother, a very skilled mechanic, gave him something that could do some light tampering on an oratrice (very baseless observations. Since i expect centuries old justice decider would be a very tough nut to crack)
@@The1andonlysharpshooter even still, the oratrice worked fine for lyneys verdict which was after he supposedly snuck inside to see it. If it was set to deliver a guilty verdict than lyney would be in prison not childe
"I think the reason Childe was found guilty is because of 'It'-the thing Skirk was talking about. I believe his powers are connected to the primordial sea; that's why the Oratrice found him guilty."
Yess, I thought about this too, why they put that lore before all the trial, there must be a connection.
People canceling traveler for not trusting the siblings but it is obvious that they're not the ones to be trusted. I never trusted their "good intentions".
People also consider traveler a hypocrite because they still trust childe and wanderer (to an extent.) But, Childe is open about his his actions and was open about his fatui involvement from the first meeting in Liyue, and wanderer is ex fatui and had his past spelled out to the traveler via irminsol.
And also I dont think traveler loves or trusts Wanderer. He's okay with it because of Nahida@@haleys5539
@@haleys5539 Yeah, it's basically not the same thing, the only connection is that all four are Fatui, but currently Lyney and Lynette are hidings things from the Traveler. Simping causes nothing but problems.
People canceling MC? WTH, it is so childish.
@@Best-SiLenZ The Oratrice declares them all guilty for being simps.
This actually makes sense. Plus, when Lyney sneaked into the vent trying to find out how the Oratrice works he might have figured out how to trick it into falsely accusing someone, therefore succeeding proving Childe is guily. (He’s clearly innocent but by the looks of things he might know something about the background of Lyney and Lynette so they couldn’t afford him running his mouth about them to the traveler).
Why would Lyney tamper with the Oratrice for Childe's trial when he didn't even Childe was going to be put on trial. And not only that he would place himself in a huge predicament if he tampered with the same device that was used on himself.
that doesnt make sense
Why would he want to make a fellow Fatui guilty?
@@neocodex3 unless it was all a plan to put harbinger in Fortress of Meropide
In the archon quest we never got to know who accused tartaggles...
I think childe put himself on trial just to have another chance to duel against chlorinde
After we found out that those two are Fatui I was kinda expecting that even though they proved non-guilty they would still be at least minor villains but this completely surprised me. But I still hope that we'll be friends if they betray us, just like Childe stayed
If they betray us, they shall become the new weekly punch bag.
Lyney is like 16-18. that's not minor in 1900 france.
@@RoomShamblesminor as in unimportant ….
@@RoomShamblesjust like the comment above me said its as in not important, opposite to major...
They were revealed to be Fatui agents months ago. Is this the first time you saw the Fontaine trailer?
I did cringe a ton when only choice was " I trust Lyney ". Dude we only just met Lyney like a day ago and now we will defend him even tho we don't even know laws and whatnot of the region. It was such a immersion breaking moment for me.
Halsey just vanishing into thin air definitely left me with some questions lol. The only issue I have with this is that canonically, only Dehya (and maybe Nahida) knew we were leaving for Fontaine that day. And we barely set foot in the Fontaine port and everything immediately started moving. So either some Fatui are spying on us all the time, or they just guessed we would arrive sooner or later and waited every day, OR they would have taken any unsuspecting traveller to fill this position in their plan.
Like, normally before we get caught up in some scheme, we at least meet people and have spent some days walking around and talking to people.
There was a guy who was listening on our conversation with dehya. Wouldn't surprise me if someone as famous as the traveller has people stalking him
@@RinnemiI mean.. with a literal book talking about him, I bet he has eyes on him everywhere
@@Rinnemi That was a spy deployed by Furina. When Furina welcomes the traveler and says ''With a snap of my finger I can know everything about you'' she looks at her side and the same guy that was eavesdropping on the Traveler and Dehya is bowing down to Furina.
When we were talking to Dehya at caravan ribat there was a fontanian guy listening in, plus when we Furina was 'greeting' us at Romaritime Harbor we saw the same guy bowing to Furina and was right beside her unlike the rest of the audience/guards. At the end of act 2 we also learn from Neuvillette that Furina actually has many spies all across teyvat and likes to stay well informed, so someone as important as the Traveler is DEFINITELY on her list.
Or... Maybe dehya and nahida is actually a fatui member all along 😂
To be very honest I think "why didn't they know the real Halsey is alive?" isn't an intentional foreshadowing. Searching for Cowell and Lyney's belongings is also something they should have done as soon as the murder happened, for example, so I think some plot holes can be accepted as just that.
Yeah I can agree, another example could be Navia's involvement since she was the reason we were able to get the non guilty verdict by finding Liliane so either that was part of the fatui plan, was not part of the plan and the twins actually were meant to be given a guilty verdict or it's just a "for the plot" moment
@@buttermanaws4693 If Liliane was part of the whole thing then she could have easily just made an appearance or "accidentally" get caught if no evidence was found to exonerate the twins. Then the trial would proceed as planned... Navia catching her just made it more convenient for her to reveal herself...
@@patrickpiguing3353 ok here's my thoughts on this
If she was planned to be involved why and how, why was she even involved if they could have just done what you said, and how because their are so many little things that needed to go right for that to work the way it did
If she was not meant to be part of the plan then you are telling me that a trained fatui operative failed the mission because they got hungry after not eating for about a day? That just seems unlikely for me given how well versed we predict they are
Also just to say I am not blaming you I more just want discussions because they are fun
no Liliane definitely is in cahoots with Lyney, the magician just so happened to be in the port and found a theif that so happened to went to his show too
i found the whole thing sus even during the trial
@@buttermanaws4693 comment's over a week old but, i'll chip in my 2 cents for fun
I think "Halsey" maybe got cold feet with the plan while she was in hiding, hence the need for Navia to go fetch her ass
i'm so glad someone made this into a video because this was also exactly what i thought after finishing the aq. i thought the twin's actions were so suspicious and the whole trial was a setup to expose the water from the primordial sea to the fontaine public. i was so surprised when i got on social media and saw so many people saying that the traveler was mean and hypocritical to not trust the twins at the end of pt 1, bc the entire time i was under the impression that they were lying to and manipulating the traveler as a part of arlecchino's scheme.
there was also a small part at the beginning where we ask lyney how the box trick works, and he seems reluctant to tell us their magician's secrets and lynette convinces him by saying something like "oh it's too late to keep secrets now." but after you find out they were lying about the entire vent plan, which means they were already lying to you during that time, basically putting on an act of lyney being reluctant to reveal their tricks and lynette "convincing" him to, to get the traveler to feel like they truly were being open about revealing all their secrets. that makes me feel like they really are capable of deceiving and manipulating the traveler in a long-term scheme.
Hey Cat. There's something no content creator has noticed yet and its a pretty big lore drop for the house of the hearth
Go to the Dialogue set 3 of Momoyo's text lines in the genshin wiki, or go to ritou if you've completed the original arlecchino quest back in 2.4
It seems Arlecchino was an orphan from the house, and she most likely killed the "old knave"
The interesting thing about that is, why reveal this information now? Is "Teacher" going to be relevant in future Fontaine quests?
How could everyone forget about this... Now that I think about it that's a huge plot hole!!! I wonder now if they just forgot or this will be a key plot device.
If it's all intentional that's some goddamn amazing writing
This game gonna give me trust issues at this point😅😅😅
it already did to me when the sussy albedo event going on
@@Saji_0 that just confuses a lot of players even more
This video blew my mind. The FORMATTING was exemplary, Cat. That ending . . . Mamma mia
Okay, Lyney catching Liliane and pressing her to play the role in the show makes a lot of sense. Halsey being one of dissolved girls is also possible assuming she got dissolved shortly before the performance and her disappearance did not become public knowledge yet. If Lyney was one of few who already knew about it, he may have written up the ticket to her name and give it to Liliane.
This looks good enough to take part in future quests.
Seeing as while getting the ticket to the traveler, lyney went alone and we were left talking with lynette, he couldve done that this time. All liliane should do is just show up and give the reception the name she and lyney decided beforehand (halsey)
Edit: im sleepy and my mind is all over the place. All i wanna say is that, eventho they dont give the ticket during the time at the harbour, lyney have the chance to also give the traveler and "halsey" a ticket. It seemed to not be a full house, and people can buy ticket upon arrival as well. This way, lyney already knows where lilianne will be sitting/ can decide where lilianne will be sitting.
Since Lyney had a lot of time to rehearse but didnt sneak into the oratrice room, it could be a writing mistake or is a hint on how the oratrice works.
Maybe the oratrice doesnt produce power based on the "peoples sense of justice", but rather the spectacle of a show. Thats why the oratrice was "talking" during Lyneys show: Power was being harvested at that time.
So if it is proven that the oratrice only talks during a court case and show, it is clear that the oratrice doesnt rely on justice to produce power. It prioritizes the spectacle over upholding justice which is a clear problem in this nation.
Frankly that make so little change from "people sense of justice",lawyer would run out of jobs,otherwise
There's also the fact that Marcel was in cahoots with some other people, so high ranked they could agree or disagree with his plan to assassinate Callas. There's also the fact Marcel's organization owes money to the Fatui (northland bank). There's also the fact they never explained the trick where Lynette was dissolved and reappeared on stage (they might've used someone else for this trick and dissolved her, and got away with it, or used another form of body double) there's also the fact that the fatui are not beneath using darker methods of doing what they believe is the right move, including say... researching by dissolving young women or endorsing it and working with the ones doing it. And finally, if Marcel is pinned as the culprit of culprits they can continue the research.. including say, using the real Halsey as a test subject.
It's true that Lyney and Lenette's goal is to impress Arlecchino. However, we cannot overlook the fact that Arlecchino's objective is to impress and serve the Tsaritsa. As @CatWithBlueHat suggests, the entire situation is likely an orchestrated act, driven by the ultimate aim of acquiring the Hydro Gnosis. In this scenario, the Traveler serves as a significant barrier that must be overcome. So 'Stopping the Prophecy from Happening' could very well be an act to fool the Traveler!
I doubt stopping the prophecy is an act. Most instances of lore regarding Arlechinno the Knave have stated she is one of the more kind and humble Harbingers. She may very well be concerned about the prophecy, as she is a Fontainian native and thus will be a victim of it herself. She doesn't have to lie about that and its clear the twins weren't lying when they said she intends to use the Gnosis before handing it over. The very fact we know she's going to be playable should clue people in to the fact that she isn't truly evil; admittedly I don't think the Fatui are evil at all and that will be the big twist of the entire story.
@@Alcadria Kind Arlecchino? The one whose road to power is covered in blood? The one who will betray anyone for her goals?
"The very fact we know she's going to be playable should clue people in to the fact that she isn't truly evil"
Tartaglia plotted to destroy Liyue and Scaramouche is a mass murderer. There is a place for bad guys.
@@Alcadria The only Fattus I see who is Evil is Docttore; but everyone eles thus far seem to follow orders from the ruler of Snezhyna isn't truly Evil . I think this mindset is common for Employees in real life that work for the Federal and City jobs . I view the majority of the Fattus as Federal or City job/occupations. And we had seen via Childe that when "Off Duty" he seem to be a chill guy. While with Wanderer he see to be an individual who hadn't left his Emo stage for a very long time. I encountered a few of them when I was in school and despite their intimidating behavior they are not too bad. It is also seen the forgotten Fattus in the chasm are alright and via Katrina; another Fattus in the chasm did mention it seems they are in a state of war (we dont know the reasoning ; we might get that at the climax of Snezhyna arc. ). Since its a military thing of course its logical they will follow orders to the tee. On top of that so far the traveler only have one perspective of the Fattus; which so far had been from the ones being harmed by the Fattus.
Since Katrina states they are in times of war of course the one who seem to be effected will view them as Evil. We had glimpses of what the Fatuus do when they have no orders and had been a bit humanized. So before one can say they are Good or Evil we need to know their motivations and why their leader is during this we need to find out the motivation. So I will reserve my overall Judgement on if the Fatui is Evil or not until I get the whole pictures before making any judgements. But I do wonder besides Childe and wanderer what they do when they have no orders or just off duty. Then pass judgement.
i agree @@nicolasmonty3692
In the ,,Final Feast'' We see Lyney and Lynette practicing a trick with a water tank under the watchfull gaze of the Father. Could it be that they were practicing for the whole ,,act'' as you mentioned and Arlecchino's words about actors were tips for their upcoming mission to eliminate the person who could potentially be a threat in the sense of fulfilling the prophecy
Liliane "the thief" from the entrance to Fontaine and Liliane "the killer" from the trial have different eye color. One have blue and the other have a purple gray-ish
Those two could be different person, unless the trial room lighting can affect the colours
OH I JUST NOTICED THAT!! Maybe the lighting affects eye colors but either Lilliane has colored eye contacts, a twin, or Halsey never existed…
It's the duller lighting, they're the exact same person.
@@DreamTraveller1 hmmm if you say so I still have doubts tho…
No one dared to question why Lyney needs to go to Oratrice core but us the Travelers. Then when the recess was over, we did mention him heading there, but no one pressed him further on why he needs to get there in the basement. It may seemed irrelevant at first but Lyney might've tampered the machine to save their skin and give Childe a guilty verdict. After all, their god, apparent creator of the machine, is naive and egotistical of the power she holds and they are taking advantage of it.
Why would he tamper with it without even knowing he would get accused of being a murder suspect? He legit had no idea what was going on while he was checking the oratrice.
My guess is, he was trying to find a way to get the Gnosis out of it. If you think back on the trailer for what the Fatui Harbinger says, it all makes sense. it also would make sense for his past performances. When he performs there, he tries to get closer and closer, but something pulled him back. I think the voice he heard is a red herring.
@@ferudesu Because Arlecchino wants Tartaglia in the Fortress of Meropide for some unknown reason.
@@BlackGateofMordor Yeah that seems like the only valid reason 🤔
@@doubledog5187 is the oratrice made from the gnosis?
The special thing I noticed about act 2 of the fontaine quest is that we get to ask neuvillette specific details, including one about the sibling, which we unfortunately didnt get. It seems so weird to have dialogue like that because its always reserved for the last act of regional quests. Since the traveller only asked neuvillette, theres a high chance we need to ask furina since shes a bit more reliable, provided that shes willing to co-operate that is
In the 2nd act of the sumeru archon quest, we were able to ask nahida some questions too! the big lore bomb was at the 5th act tho, so maybe we'll get more information by then
It might be a nod to Neuvilette being the one actually in charge/in the know as the Furina right now is pretty much only a mascot of her own nation. Maybe the archon quest will show Furina growing more into her role as an archon and taking responsibility for her actions, and by the end she will be able to actually answer some of our questions 🤔
actually if you remember in the end of sumeru act 2 when nahida possesses katheryne's body we also get to ask her questions about the plot, i'm just not sure if we got to ask her about our sibling too
There's also one more thing... In Act 2... Who the hell making Childe as a suspect for The Dissappearance Case that already happen for twenty years?? He just arrived a several days in Fontaine,,
I'm preparing myself to call Fontaine, "Land of Plot Twist", once the Fontaine's Archon Quest reach it ends,,
As a harbinger I’m sure this wouldn’t be his very first time appearing in Fontaine 🤔 especially since he’s frequently in Liyue and there’s a direct connection between Liyue and Fontaine that we’ll see later
Not to mention childe himself is also only about 20 years old lmao
any fatui would happily press charges against Childe, given the disrespect that he suffers. The numbers are apparently given in order of combat capability, and Childe is lower than Pantalone who is visionless.
Being beaten in Foul Legacy by two element Traveler was not a fluke.
Might it be the oratrice?, after all his abysal powers gave us a few new things, both related to the abysal powers (Him hurting Nuevillete) and the primordial sea (The whale spirit inside of him)
i’m so glad to see someone pointing this out, and i think that the traveler pointing out that they’ve been caught up in this type of “scheme” before adds up with how cold they acted toward Lyney and Lynette after the defense was over. i’m almost certain that the traveler can feel that somethings up, and they aren’t willing to give Lyney and Lynette the benefit of the doubt.
Going with your idea that Liliane is potentially a member of the Fatui herself, Lyney could've simply checked whether the Oratrice was accessible from the room below. He'd then continue the show, and during the trial, he purposely withholds information while Liliane observes the Oratrice's reactions to the back and forth. This would help them understand its operational structure, andgive them the means of manipulating the Oratrice into declaring Childe guilty on purpose. This, in turn, would allow him to infiltrate the Fortress of Meropide, either to establish contact with key individuals stuck there, or to get closer to Wriothesley, another important pillar of Fontaine's justice network.
To this end, I'm also willing to assume that Childe gave up his vision because he knew he could be spied on through it, or maybe even fall under someone's control. He likely started the fight at the blacksmith to test this possibility specifically, and also rope in the Traveler on the way.
Really, with the foundation you laid out, things truly are a bit too convenient. That said, it's also kinda easy to spot ghosts where I want them, since EVERYTHING has the potential to a conspiracy, and I don't have enough tinfoil to keep going like that throughout future chapters.
Either way, fascinating discovery! And thanks for putting it all together coherently!
Anyone noticed when Lyney is telling us how they became members of house of hearth..
The camera shifts to Lynette looking sideways. She looks genuinely sad telling us about their tough childhood, but when Lyney tells the traveler, that the knave is their savior, she gave us this weird thinking, hiding something look. It's as if she knows Lyney made it up.
... and i just questioning about the sounds that Lyney's heard when he infiltrate the Oratrice. Who is the person who made that noise?
Arlecchino is a king of asian parents, hard to impress and very strict, even those siblings could deceive entire Teyvat, she never satisfied 😅
Lyney, Lynette, Ly...Liliane, I bet she is a member of the House of the Hearth and she was a part of the plan to catch Vacher.
As a Fatuus, Childe is too openly honest like an all-on fighter, while Lyney is too mysterious like a magician.
but furina discovered right away that lyney and lynette were part of the house... once "halsey" revealed herself to be lilianne, furina should have connected her to the house of the hearth, but she didn't recognize the name so it's unlikely
Me, with the name lyn: guess im a fatui
with the recently updated drip marketing of the three siblings this theory has become more convincing for me
One theory i have is that Halsey was indeed disolved by Marcel, a man cautious like him would never pick a random person, so my bet is: since he was at the magic show and the trial, he imediately found out that the target was not the real Halsey, so when he left the courtroom he disolved Halsey off-screen to prevent her from ruining his plans by showing up and proving Lyney's innocence.
The elaborate Fatui plan doesn't make much sense, firstly because they didn't know Furina would show up to meet the traveler, not even when the traveler would show up since it was one of Furina's spies who told her, and even if she does not seem that smart we know she was good enough to find out the twins' secret affiliation.
Second because if Lilianna was indeed an orphan then Furina would have discovered that the same way she found out Lyney and Lynette's identities.
Third: they couldn't know if Navia would be there to help catch Lilianne, or if the trial would actually end with their win.
Finally: if they wanted the traveler's trust they could have just said up front they were fatui, they had no idea if the traveler would still believe/trust in them after learning the truth.
Marcel dissolving her offscreen would actually make a lot of sense. That, and the subsequent incrimination and dissolving of his agent in the Gardes (which couldn't have come cheaply, thus being a valuable resource to be wasted as a pawn).
The artist girl in the vengeful Oceanid also should be taken into account: it is a way to say that Halsey is there, unless it was a random comment after setting up Halsey's entire profile as "up and coming full of potential artist".
Also, if it is to follow previous archon quests, Furina's gnosis needs to be taken by 4.2 and the Traveler needs to beat Arlecchino's ass by then as well, and since 4.1 seems to be centered around visiting the prison with Childe and Neuvillete becoming doubtful about justice (with only one (1) disagreement of a verdict with the Oratrice, mind you), it seems like the plot will move along the lines of (4.0 -> Justice is not real (4.1) -> Furina gets nerfed from lack of belief in justice (4.2), gets beaten by Arlecchino, Arlecchino with gnosis + vision + delusion gets beaten by Traveler (still 4.2).)
the halsey can be one of them，a fatui. think about it,a women ko a man and only makes a noise,she must know some of the combat skills.
so lyney knows cowells plan at the beginning.cowell just join the magic group not long ago.and ppl like lyney whos an intelligence agent and the next successor of his organization, its kinda ez to check out cowells identity and his plan.
so in order to reach their purpose,they need to let all the ppl in fontaine to be awared of the issue---that fontainer can be dissolved into water.
so the cowell became a part of his show,and they should let you know another actress, the thief first to leave u an impression.
so that its not abrupt u saw her again as a witness which makes the whole thing a lot of sense
for the thief part, an intelligence agent with his sister who got anemo power and think about her E skill,running faf.two of them just let the thief made her way escape,I dont believe this.
and from the beginning we know that the hydro archon sent ppl spy on us,dont u think lyney can do the same?and they arrange the meeting with us,they knows traveler well,that the traveler wont leave a girl who staring at the sea for a long time(may commit suicide) alone
and the trick on u and paimon,they knows thats a spy from the hydro archon too,and she may probably come here making trouble for the traveler
then u will notice what a calculating and observant person Lyney is
I like this theory as it give a proper closure for halsey and liliane story. For sure, lyney's magic trick haven't end yet with arlecchino pulling the string and them tampering the machine to bring furina's downfall/gnosis seems like the plot here.
@@mon3tr_feat_amiya83 just because she knows how to fight that doesn't mean she is a fatui, also like i said it's odd that the archon managed to dig out both Lyney and Lynette's past as secret fatui agents but wouldn't be able to did out Liliana's past.
also it would be too risky and convoluted to expose the water that way, a lot of things could go wrong and are out of their control
I think Vacher dissolved her off screen, after realising that it wasn’t the real Halsey he probably needed the real Halsey to die so she couldn’t prove that Lyney was innocent, that would explain the painters line the Oceanid says
Maybe 🤔
Wouldnt Cowell know about this since he works for him? What would be the point of this opera incident?
Unless I clearly missed something and im just a complete dumbass
@@blitzsmile5487 A boss doesn’t have to tell their employees everything if they don’t want to! Also you’re not dumb I think everyone is smart in their own way. People also miss things and don’t pay attention! Like me: I consider myself to be observant but I still don’t pay attention and gets distracted easily 😅
@@blitzsmile5487 Note that unlike the Traveller and the troupe, the audience were allowed to leave the place after checking out. That's when Vacher could have found the real Halsey and dissolved her.
Oh yeah this would make sense
He probably found the real Halsey first after everything went haywire; figuring that there is no way the water would have failed
I already know it's all an act in the first 10 mins, with the entry of furina, remember how every npc has no idea that she's coming yet lyney already know. He either might've heard it from the npc that told the info to furina, or he already knows that we're going to visit Fontaine beforehand and made all plans using us
That's interesting, I never thought about the real Hersley
I'll still trust Lyney and see what are they up to in the new version, since I believe Lyney's intention of stopping the prophecy is good, there's no reason for him to do something harmful towards a land containing his home
But whether they will perform inhumane acts, we'll just have to see
It's also super suspicious that Lyney or rather Lynnette came out of the box almost right before the end. Cowell should have already been at the box by that time and if not then Lynnette would have definitelly seen Cowell down there.
Holy Crap that's one Big Plot hole. How could they not have realized Halsey Never came to the theater?
Could it be a big plot hole or Big Plot device... It depends on the next chapters of the archon quest.. hope it's the later.
Another thing that I'm really looking for is why oh why did Childe give us his vision. In the inventory, its one of the unique 5 star item you get like from other archon quests - Signora's Mask, Tainted Blood, etc - which suggests that we gonna hold Childe's vision for quite a while.
Why did Childe 'lose control' of his vision, and did he simply gave us his vision based on his mere reasoning, 'I don't wanna get frustrated when this happens again in battle'? The item description even says that the vision had lost its shine. Is it simply because it got separated by the owner, or is it because *his owner has lose will in something*?
The involvement of him in the Disappearance Case was also quite out of blue. Who accused him, I wonder.
yes exactly! i was wondering if i missed something because no one seemed to be asking this question... who even accused childe of the crime in the first place? it's so random. how did they have no involvement in his trial whatsoever (at least, not shown on screen) and were not named at all? i feel like that piece of information could be critical to puzzling together everything that's happening surrounding the guilty verdict, but i think it's being deliberately withheld by hoyoverse for now because of that reason - so we can sit here wondering and scratching our heads :')
if we go off the theory that arlecchino orchestrated all of this (which i think is quite plausible) and given childe's track record of being unknowingly involved in his colleagues' schemes, maybe arlecchino arranged for someone to accuse him, somehow knowing he would be declared guilty (tampering with the oratrice? knowing his past, which might have been detected by the oratrice, leading to a guilty verdict? but i thought childe never told anyone about what happened to him. i don't know. everything is so confusing lol). i think a lot of us are speculating that the fatui needs someone inside the fortress of meropide but i don't know much about its lore other than the fact that it's a prison. just what is in there that requires a harbinger to get imprisoned to get access to it? i was reading some of the other comments and one of them said the gnosis might be in there. i guess as a prison it is already high security, so it could double as a way to guard the gnosis...
one problem with that, though, is that if childe is unaware of arlecchino's plans, how would he know to complete whatever objective he is supposed to in the prison? is there some sort of messenger that will tell him what he needs to do? i feel less inclined to believe that. alternatively, maybe childe is in on the entire thing from the beginning, in which case he is an amazing actor. however, i still am leaning towards him not knowing. his reactions felt quite genuine. there is still the whole bit about "it" and the whale and the abyss. i'm interested to see how this will relate to the story in the future. maybe he has some sort of connection to the primordial water?
Or maybe halsey is pseudonym name. Since many artist using that name for separate their life as famous person & normal person since gossip is something very crucial in fountaine comparate another region. Remember when charlote tell about famous public person in event version 3.7, she telling about how famous person using disguise for their normal life. So no weird maison grande only have her information little since that come from her curation agent ( similiar manager for idol) very normal for Belle epoque social life
I immediately suspected that Lyney was working with the pickpocket, and then again when she showed up as "the victim", but from a character storytelling perspective I think it'd be really pushing for them to have Lyney still be lying to the Traveler about this after the way they had us react to the fact that he is a Fatui in Act I. They'd be having us be upset at Lyney, then allowing us to do his story quest - where we call him a friend and feels like we forgave the initial deception - just to have him still be playing us and then have us forgive AGAIN (because we have to be on good terms with all playable characters). We can say a lot about Childe and Scaramouche, but they only deceived us once - after the truth of their positions came out, the masks were off. They may hide stuff from us (though I don't think Childe has done so since Liyue), but they don't try to use us against our will.
I do think Fontaine is meant to start shifting the Traveler's perception on the Fatui so we can work with them in the end game, and they pulled out pretty much the biggest gun they could (saving Lynette and other children from a horrifying fate) to set Arlechino in an acceptable light after what we saw of the fate of her 'children' in Inazuma and the chasm. So even if they're lying we'll probably find it was for a good reason and forgive them anyway. But it'd just feel bad to have to go through the same emotional beats with Lyney again.
Bro played us like a fiddle!! Twice or even more!!! 😭😱🤯😠☠️
With childe being Guilty i have the theory that the "Sin" that apparantly everyone from Fontaine has is connection to the Abyss although to a very small degree but with Childe who was influenced by the Abyss to a bigger degree could have triggered a sub function of the Verdict machine namely to oversee the "Sin average" and since it was build by the last Hydro Archon it could maybe trigger a flood of Primordial Sea water which may or may not react aggressively to Abyss energy by dissolving things that have to do with it maybe as some kind of preemptive strike should the abyss get a Foothold
Abyss=forbidden knowledge=sin
those few final minutes with "the final feast" footage....bro was writing fire while making this vid fr 🗣️🔥
Yeh those lines of lyney on the trailer is very sus
I just want Furina to come out and tell the traveller they've been bamboozled after the Trial because Furina realized an Inconsistency or the fact the Halsey was never found. Leading the court of Fontaine to realize that it was all an elaborate show.
Ok so this brings in confirmation that during the Oceanid scene with Marcel at the end I did see and npc that looked just like Halsey or Lilian near the end. I thought they were just reusing models but it was intentional. Holy shot! This quest keeps getting better, omg.
There's also an alternative twist of Halsey's disappearance being the reason Tartaglia was judged as guilty. He wasn't standing trial for dissolving people. He was standing trial for suspected involvement in the serial disappearances case. It is entirely possible that Marcel was telling the truth when he said the disappearances had begun before he ever came to Fontaine. They may have just been a convenient cover for him to contribute to the disappearances.
If that all is the case, it raises the very interesting question of why the Fatui have been abducting young women.
They probably threw Marcel under the bus to get the public's eye off of them too.
@@ziephel-6780 Vacher and Vigniere found the primordial sea in fontaine. While the dissapearances case happened before Marcel came to Fontaine, but the case happened when Vacher was already in Fontaine as an adventurer not as immigrant. So we can say Vacher first murder happened before he changed his name as Marcel.
My oh my this is beyond interesting. I wonder how the traveller are able to "reveal" this grand show in the future
This does make a lot of sense. Maybe you are onto something. Or they could have forgotten about her too xD. But the pieces seem to fit perfectly together. We still don`t have the bigger picture of what is going to happen. Very good video my good sir.
Edit: There is also that fontaine guy eavesdropping us in the beginning of the first act. We still don't know who that guy is. This keeps making more sense the longer i think about it.
Edit again: Some people pointed that this guy is the agent that told furina about us. But my main point still remains.
When we first meet Furina they show that same guy who was eavesdropping on us beside her when she talks about how she "knew all about us"
To address your edit: I think that guy is Furina's spy, because later when Furina meets Traveler we also see him standing in the back, also I remember someone (sorry I can't remember who exactly) said Furina has a spy network.
@@wa54biNeuvillete said that in the end of act 2 furina gather many spies and spread out across teyvat to prevent and find out about the prophecy
This tells us that there's really more to unpack, it's just the first update from Fontaine so expect to encounter a lot of questions (that will be answered) while the story progresses.
The Fontaine region and its main quests are truly unique.
1- In the main quest, it was the first time that Traveler explicitly stated that they did not want to continue forward. However, we were forcibly dragged into the situation (for the sake of the story’s continuation). Despite this, we were determined to get to the bottom of the issue and clear all obstacles one by one. Additionally, it was the first time that the traveler even after learning that they were innocent, that their goals were simply to protect their homeland, and about their harsh past still had their doubts on Fatuus (Lyney and Lynette).
2- When Marcel (aka Vasher) was caught red-handed and confessed, he did not explicitly state nor said anything that he was behind the Clockwork Meka raid on Traveler and Navia or that he had tampered with Navia’s drink in the Hotel. Instead, Navia implied that Marcel did it because he was rich and might be the one who is responsible. However, no evidence of his involvement in these incidents was presented nor mentioned in the court.
3- It would be interesting if Childe’s role in this quest was simply to divert our attention from the main path. Because In Liyue, Childe was also tricked by Tsaritsa and Rosaria, leading us to follow him around while behind the scenes Rosaria knew who Morax was and had even signed a contract with him while Traveler was clashing with Childe.
Note: Correct me if I'm wrong.
I do agree that where the real Halsey is really a mystery but I don’t think this theory works. If Liliane and Lyney did work together then how could Lyney guarantee that a random pickpocket would be able to take down cowell? They would have been planning for their first big night in opera epiclese and the day before lyney improvises? Doesn’t really make sense. If liliane was recruited into the plan earlier than the day they meet the traveler then why bother putting up an act to try and catch liliane in front of the traveler? Why give us smth to be suspicious about when they could have just not be connected with her in any way? How could they even have known traveler would arrive at the port that day?
Just to clarify the last question is answerable since even Furina was able to send out an agent to monitor the traveler and was even able to greet the traveler in the port at the right time. So having a Fatui monitoring us is not out of the picture since we are definitely in there list.
I mean, I see where you're coming from- but:
*1.* If Liliane was really in on a fatui scheme, she's probably not just a random pickpocket.
*2.* As for how Lyney would know of the traveler's arrival, if Furina had the means to 'predict' this with the use of spies, its no strech of the imagination that the fatui has equal if not MORE intel around Teyvat (like lyudochka- one of many *house of hearth* spies)
Furina knew Traveler was coming, so why not Lyney? Also, what do you mean bother put up an act? You know who you're talking about, right? Magicians. Where everything is an act and misdirection.
Signora knew when the traveler was planning to go to Inazuma and asked some old man there to stop our progress
Even if he knew traveller would come their plan to get our attention was… just have lynette stand over the water and wait for us to notice? And I know he CAN put up an act but I dont think he would do it just for fun😭 im saying what was the purpose of him putting on that show
After playing this Archon quest, I have full doubts on what the twins were actually doing during the incident. Sure they were trying to “save” their homeland, but by what means? Also Tartaglia’s vision might play a bigger role on revealing what is happening in Fontaine, it’s clearly a dead giveaway as in the beginning, Tartaglia’s vision is acting weird which forced him to rely on his delusional powers. And now with us keeping it. Also on a related note I do remember back in an earlier trailer during the Inazuma arc that we see the traveler drowning in the water with an ominous shadow coming towards him, perhaps it’s the “whale” that tartaglia saw when he was in the abyss?
I liked the unique twist at the end when it said “Welcome to the show.”
An interesting 'continuity error ?' happens during the cutscene where 'fake Lyney' (in reality, Lynette dressed as her brother) exits from Box 1 on the stage about 3 seconds before the countdown ends and then goes back 'in shame'. The inside of Box 1 has a rectangular pink frame on the back (we cannot clearly see if there's a pattern but it seems diamond-shaped), a wavy pattern on the doors and there are balloons hanging (we can see it ONLY for a couple of seconds during the cutscene). The inside of Box 2 - the one among the audience - has a curtain-shaped pink frame on the back, no pattern on the doors and no balloons (we can see it when Lyney allows us to inspect the box during the investigation). And the inside of the Trolley Box - the portion that moves with the spectator inside - has a diamond-shaped pattern on the back inside a rectangular pink frame, a wavy pattern on the doors and there are balloons hanging (we see it when 'Halsey' enters the box and also as a flashback when Lyney explains the trick to us). It was an... interesting decision to make the visible inners of Box 1 NOT match those of Box 2 and instead match those of the Trolley Box (we do know that when Lynette came out dressed as Lyney, the trolley was still on its way to reach the position inside Box 1, otherwise she couldn't have been there - she specifically said that afterwards she dropped through the ladder to make space to the inner box) . At best they should have made all three of them identical to avoid suspicions.
About the 'true Halsey still missing', a lot of mystery novels have in reality several loopholes if looked in depth. Maybe this will effectively come out later, or maybe it will simply be dismissed as something like 'since she couldn't find her ticket, she left town to relax for the weekend and discovered the ruckus only after coming back'.
But why no one suspect Lyney sneaked into the vent to investigate whats under the Scales
I have considered it too, but it seems that they manage to get away with it fell on factors they couldn't control, like the yellow rose. Something else I wanted to bring up is, how did Cowl get into the tunnel? There are only two enterances from the room, and both of them had the attention of the crowd, so how did he manage to slip into either of them without anyone noticing.
There was also the conversation we didn't get to listen to with Lyney and Freminet involving "housework" which could make more sense if Halsey was a apart of the fatui/ house of hearth, but she may be living in a different house from the twins.
They kidnapped Halsey and was holding her hostage. That's why the brother couldn't leave and we needed to do errands.
Ok, but how did Cowell enter the tunnel? I mean there were three entrances: Vent occupied by Lyney and two boxes, so how did he enter to check on his victim?
My guess is that he was already inside the tunnel before the trick began to ensure something doesnt go wrong during the actual performance (in truth he was there to make sure Halsey dissolved and cover up any mishaps)
But if Cat's theory is correct, then maybe he was innocent (?) and he really was just there to make sure the trick was successful??
TLDR: either way he was probably inside the tunnel before the trick began
He was already inside the tunnel. He was the assistant responsible for props and (possibly) the audience side props setup, so as soon as the spotlight faded from the audience side box he just hopped into it.
at first I thought "maybe she's happened to be outside of Fontaine during the case? being a painter and all" since the thief didn't mention when and where she stole Liliane's ticket (iirc)
until you mention their encounter and those sibling being a Fatui members...
Actually, it just hit me.....why didin't Lyney just put Lynnette up for checking on the Oratrice? She did very little in the "teleportation" act and her parts could be cut. That way, Lynnnette could have checked on it for as long as she wished, or the other way around where Lyney goes in the Oratrice and Lynnette does the magic trick as a whole. They absolutely don't need to both be on stage at anytime durring the performance. nobody would question the vanishing of Lynnette and they would have all the time in the world.
Technically speaking, Lyney had the more time to check on the oratrice. Going back, it's Lynette who came out of the box dressed as Lyney on the last 10 seconds when the "first try" of the trick "didn't work." So Lyney could've went on his merry way when he first entered the box at the beginning of the trick and Lynette had to be focused on standby to do the "Oops! I came out of the wrong box!" Lyney act.
It's all for the show and they didnt expect (maybe) something like this would happen. But if they do, then it's to set both the twins like they're busy with the performance only. It's layers after layers of plan. You may also argue that both of them could've done something together during the first 50 seconds since all the talking Lyney inside the box was a playing pre recorded.
@@jikannomajo No , what I am saying is : they could cut all of Lynnette's time on stage and not fundamentally change the trick at all . Lynnette could have literaly done the water tank escape then explore the oratrice at her heart's content for as long as Lyney would have stretched the show .
Oh My God , This Video is Very Informative and Spectacular at the same time . Every Information led to the reveal of the Harbinger is so good. Your Videos always kept me excited for the Next Archon Quest Update and this one was Amazing , Keep it up 👏👏
I really enjoy reading thru the comment section. :D
Everyone has their thoughts about this Archon quest, theorizes about what might be and what might not be, but at the end we all know next to nothing. I mean.. every theory comes with assumptions based on plausibility. But Fontaines story theme of deception does a really good job at making us second-guess about what we think to be true. xD
So let me join and note what I found suspicious and what I think might happen:
1. The observation, that we don't know what happened with the real Halsey is great. I indeed missed that one.
2. What's with the voice in the basement that Lyney allegedly heard? Was it a lie or was really someone else there? And why are neither Furina nor Neuvillette concerned with that fact? Like.. they would have to assume that there are unknown people sneaking around the basement, where the core of their justice machine is stored, but they don't seem to care. They didn't even show any reactions, when Lyney admitted, that he, a Fatuus, wanted to investigate the Oratrice. They just let his comments slide, without asking further questions.
(It was just Neuvillette that mentioned after the verdict, that there are more things to investigate. But whatever might be the case, it's still an open plot point none the less.)
3. When Liliane was chosen by the RNG machine to take part in Lyneys trick, I thought to myself "wait? Isn't that the thieve from earlier? So did Lyney in fact caught and maybe recruited her for the trick, in return for not reporting her?"
I think, and as shown in the video, we can make a case for it. Although I don't agree with Cowells death being intentional, as Lyney seemed pretty shocked when it happened. Also, the Oratrice declared them "not guilty". So we would at least need a reason for why it judged wrong, even if it's known for always judging right (with Tartaglia being the first exception).
I personally think, with Fontaines story theme being about deception, there is going to happen a huge plot twist that no one is expecting. Something wilde, like the Fatui and the Hydro Archon working together from the beginning.
I mean... a story about deception that's predictable would fail its purpose, would it not?
I wonder if furina is also knew their 'show', maybe thats why she put her acts like that. Or maybe not, probably she has other peraonalities or something or maybe im just trippin
4:14 actually depends on the person. Ganyu had a similar disappearance case (in which she disappeared) and she slept the shit out of it.
and I can say that I relate to Ganyu, in this matter. :)
but yeah I get your point.
Cat… this may be your best video yet, I have GOOSEBUMPS
Since we're all here for lore, I recently found something that might peak many interests. I found a certain particular Voice when messing around the Fountain(the one where you submit sigils), I wont spoil it for everyone( I would also want to suggest those who already know this don't spoil for other, thank you).
How I found the "Secret" Voice:
1. You would need to go into the very center of the fountain, just walk in pretty much.
2. Turn down all of your Music and sound effect volume to 0 in game
3. Turn the Dialouge option to 100, I also suggest cranking up your volume as high as you can (I went max)
4. Wait a bit and you would hear a familiar voice (I'll let yall guess who)
Note: The voice repeats quite frequently so do keep an ear out, also it only says the same line over and over
Throughout the Fontaine quest so far, there is so much you can find more about the country from just spending a bit of time exploring as well as going through sidequest, and the Method i said above is one of many that I managed to find that stands out the most for me
I am wondering during the hearing, why didn't they question why Lyney went inside the vent and tried seeking the principle of the Oratrice? why nobody questioned it? isn't it a sensitive thing? they just let it slide ????
Nobody knows it lead to oratrice all they know it's a vent
Neuvilette did say that Lyney is innocent for the incident of his staff but he will investigate Lyney's motive for checking the oractrice.
the one thing i found annoying about the archon quest, was that it expected us to know what the house of hearth is.
I dont recall its existance being mentioned to the traveller in the game, prior to that.
Many clue has mentioned it before, especially from world quest(secret Slip from Inazuma, and
the chasm)
@@krumi_hazuki1440I would like to remind you of how many players haven't done it or never even HEARD of the Fortune Slip Quest and how many players barely read the text in Genshin ( *especially* World Quests) and/or have little to no reading comprehension abilities.
You'll be shocked when you'll remember how high the number is and how the two demographics tend to always overlap.
@@emery120 with TC and lore Entusiastic, they get cover up
Out of all the theories ive heard so far this one has to be my favourite by FAR!
Excellent work ace detective CatWithBlueHat~
But in overall pretty neat video. Yeah the stuff with Lyney's intro was obviously a lie since the very start. I don't know for sure if the trial was part of his expectation or not, but him helping us was definitely just some grandeur act to make sure we are on his side no matter what.
The biggest hint about all of this is how Lynette seemed totally bored throughout the whole intro. Lynette is a pretty honest kid, and she reads through lies like a knife put through butter, after all.
if only the traveler bring the grass archon to Fontaine. She would solve the mystery
She can't. She can only read Sumaruan's mind in Sumaru. Everywhere else npc says nothing at all when their minds are read.
Ah, now I see why I felt something was off when I finished the archon quest
Another question for me is that why would Lyney go investigate the Oratrice in the middle of his show? Why not any other time? I believe not only he didn’t just investigate the Oratrice, but also changed it’s settings too to make himself not guilty in the trial, which is the reason Oratrice malfunctioned during the second act and represented Childe as guilty, but what if it wasn’t just a malfunction but was still being controlled? Which would lead to Childe being represented as guilty on and being sent to the Jail on purpose for further investigation
Also in Liyue Archon Quest after everything that has happened between harbingers, Childe found out that he was also being played, so I guess he might have been played in Fontain Archon Quest as well
NGL i got goosebump when watching this video because i didn't even realise that i forgot about the real halsey, omg imagine if CWBH theory is correct, i mean if it is true then... DAMN...
As much as I want this theory to be true(since it makes the story way more interesting)I really hope that the traveler doesn't fall for their tricks again
Doing the whole "oh my god the traveler is so naive and got betrayed" thing is not gonna be interesting again
So I hope that they put the pieces together and understand that there is something wrong with this whole situation. We know that they can be really intelligent so it's not out of character at all
The way the traveler acted so cold with them at the end AND how in Lyneys lines it’s mentioned over and over how the traveler has yet to “trust” they again, I think the traveler already knows something is up
@@nightkelm9552 I really hope so
If it all was a planned event, then that mean Navia is an accomplice as well. She left in the middle of the trial and found Lilliane.
Could it be that she's *a part of the plan*, instead of an accomplice?
In some way, perhaps the Fatuus had learnt about Navia, and somehow made the case somewhat hinting clues, in which only Navia could intercept the information.
I find it sus that Navia found her next to door while Lilliane was watching a trial she should by trying to escape while everyone was distracted so why did she stay? Maybe she was going to step in if traveler would not mark her as suspect and Navia help them by accident.
@@cocacolazero1609 Opera Epiclese was heavily guarded since the beginning of the performance until the end of the trial. No one is leaving unnoticed.
@@kostuchan4418 Still her best bet was to escape during the trial or hide and wait for things to calm down. Standing just behind a door makes no sense anyone could found her and recognize her.
@@cocacolazero1609 She can't escape during trial, because the exit is guarded.
She also wasn't standing just behind a door.
I about to questioning the same questions when that happen . But still enjoy the archon quest . Hopefully some content creator make a video about it to fix my confusion. Thanks cat. Hope more video in future. Appreciate the work.
This is your best work yet. I am going to be scouring all of the dialogue that Lyney and Lynette share going forward. Theres so much more to consider here.
Don't you think that Halsey might have been to somewhere else? She is a painter anyway, she doesn't have to stay in Fontaine all the time. At that time, after she'd realized that her ticket had been stolen, she might feel more stressed and decided to go elsewhere to relieve her stress, or to find some painting inspiration in another country.
Oh maybe that makes sense 😮
Or marcel couldve dissolved her if she WAS around fontaine, the oceanid in the fountain talks about how she wouldve become a famous a painter if she hadnt been dissolved
@@pawakhdr565 That’s possible
but then surely her family or friends would know where she had gone, unless she told nobody where she was going. someone must have looked for her, right?
@@_aster_ Hmmm
Also how was Childe accused in the first place? Wouldn’t he have been a kid or a teenager by the time the disappearances started? Who accused him in the first place?
THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION 😱
My bet, the impulsive side of furina accused him.
@@yuki97kira Yeah that seems plausible
Yoooooo good catch! I didn’t even think about all these things
It's interesting how the traveler who always tries to help, this time was doubtful, even after L&L told the story.
The crew member stepping aside before the water cage fell was a bit odd too.
Also there is another thing that doesn't make sense who the heck accused childe for the disappearance case considering his not even been to Fontaine and he gets proven guilty. Also he isn't able to control his vision and all that definitely somethings up and we will soon find in next quest . Preety sure archelino has something to do with it
I have wondered about the whole blame it on the fatui bit since I heard it, I personally believe it was so they could be tried and found innocent since the people going to the opera house again for the same "play" would be boring even if new parts were added and causing distrust in Fontain's justice system as the obvious bad guy were not the bad guys.
Also I do believe the twins and Child don't know 100% what's going on and how disposable they are as the trailer makes me think that the "actors" could be easily replaced as the twins seem to genuinely think they are magicians dispite them supposed to be acting as ones while Child is the weakest of the harbingers (by title) so getting a new one should not be THAT hard.
Childe is considered as a disposable pawn (or trash) by every other harbinger so far, so a plan that incapacitates him would be the same as a plan that ends with fatui skirmisher #194 killed: No real consequences.
Using the twins as potential sacrificial pawns would be slightly surprising, but in line with fatui modus operandi. They are important vision holder operatives and have near-leadership roles on their entire harbinger division, but for the fatui (and especially for arlecchino) even those may be offered as sacrifices.
@@fishcake4473 personally I think the twins could be potential sacrifices because they have gotten too ingrained into the magician "act" as it might have been something to get the mission done at first but as seen with Lyney's story quest he does genuinely care for the act of magic so the fatui may see that as a weakness that could threaten the mission in the long run
THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS IT so while I can see the twins being more involved (cuz for Childe it's obvious), in the Fontaine Trailer Arlecchino pushes their cardboard on the ground for *not being good enough actors* I have the feeling that she IS going to dispose of them at some point on the Archon Quest considering what we know about her personality currently.
Now you mention it. When first meet Lyney I thought his voice feels like 'acting' just because he's a magician and that's the way he talks to stranger. Now it all kinda makes sense... maybe?
The moment they were called members of House of the Hearth, I suddenly remembered they're Fatui, so I had to remember for myself that don't trust everything they say, from then on I assumed everything was half-truths and a bunch of red herrings. Their intention of saving Fontaine is true, but not in the way of how it is executed. Though as for observing the Oratrice, that's the one I was wondering about. Why the Oratrice? Why inspect it? Is the Gnosis there? I doubt they know about the Gnosis, but it would kinda make sense. Though my guess is that either Arlecchino is messing with them to completely test them, or there is a third party involved. However, throughout Acts I and II there has been a reoccurring theme of another party aside from the accused, but it always ended up someone being within the party. So I am somewhat leaning to Arlecchino trying to make things a bit difficult while also planning to get the Gnosis and prove that the Hydro Archon is more than fallible and unrighteous and unjust, by scheming off of Tartaglia.
YES! I'm SO glad I'm not the only one who had this wild theory about Liliane being a part of the whole thing and it all being orchastrated from the moment we stepped foot on the dock!
Sidenote - what do you think about the strange voice under the oratrice? Do you think Lyney was just dramaticizing things or is there really something going on? Is it more than sentient AI - do you think it's a living being? hmmmmm
What he do under the theatre can all be just lies so we can't assume anything right now
They probably will do dangaronpa/ace Attorney style when final act is recollec ting what happen in act 1