Djokovic era vs Federer era - The Ultimate Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- Is Djokovic benefiting from a weak era? Is Federer a weak era champion? This video answers one of the most controversial questions in the tennis GOAT debate: Whose era was stronger, Djokovic's or Federer's?
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
01:04 - The two eras
01:52 - The seasons
02:55 - The players
03:30 - The statistics
03:57 - All players comparison
07:08 - Players who had their best season in one of the eras
09:17 - Players who had their peak ELO in one of the eras
11:13 - Players who had their best ranking in one of the eras
11:52 - Federer's greatest rivals
12:57 - ELO ratings
14:03 - Peak ELO ratings
18:22 - ELO ratings in the two eras
20:55 - Comparison summary
22:34 - Easiest grand slams
23:13 - Outro 
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Someone who deals exclusively with numbers as a profession and passion I can tell you making these stats is not easy, it takes nights of research and not to forget the video editing, it's so so smooth. I cannot appreciate you any more, I've shared subscribed and tell me what else I can do. Any help with numbers I'll help you out brother.
In the GOAT discussion, it is important to take into consideration relevant facts that both Roger & Rafa have had FOURTEEN significant advantages to help them over Novak in their tennis careers. The so called “objective” experts, analysts, commentators and media generally fail to mention this.
Both Roger & Rafa grew up in privileged environments in Switzerland and Spain with proper facilities to learn and train. Novak grew in a poor war torn country with almost no facilities to learn or train. In fact his parents had to schedule his training to avoid constant bombing raids.
Both Roger & Rafa had easy soft childhoods with little or no pressure place on them in their affluent environments. Novak grew up poor and his parents invested all they had for his career. Novak knew at an early age tennis for him was a duty, not simply a privilege or for fun. He fully understood before he was a teenager the massive weight place on his shoulders of his whole family depending on him to succeed in his pro career
Both Roger & Rafa started their careers 5 & 2 years before Novak, which gave both of them a big head start in the race for GOAT.
Both Roger & Rafa had the backing of the billion dollar industry of the big sponsors pushing the narrative of them being the best.
Both Roger & Rafa had the backing of the TV commentators to continue to push the narrative of them being the best.
Both Roger & Rafa had the backing of the media to promote them as the most popular and best ever. Novak was generally ignored or dismissed.
Both Roger & Rafa had the backing of the Internet analysts to promote them. Novak was generally shunned most of his career
Both Roger & Rafa had the backing of the court-side fans. During his entire career, anytime Novak played against Roger or Rafa, 90-98% of the crowds favored them over Novak. In fact, the hostile crowds many times constantly tried to harass, taunt, and disrupt Novak during course of his matches against both Roger & Rafa.
It is absolutely astonishing when you consider the fact that Novak has reached the pinnacle as the GOAT in tennis inspite of the significant
One of the best comments I've read on youtube in a long time. A very solid and compelling argument. 👏
you have done so much justice with this one comment, without demonizing rafa and roger either, kudos to you
Muy cierto!
Also, Novak seems to always have the most unfavorable draw possible on his way to winning titles - both in opponents and in schedules.
This was most glaringly obvious in the 2021 UO. everyone he faced was tougher than anyone Medvedev had to cope with and while Medvedev got the earlier matches Djokovic got the later matches.
Good comment but it's false to say that Rafa always had the support of the crowd while playing Novak. Most of the time, it was pretty even between the two.
Excellent analysis man! I can only imagine the great effort you have put in to make this video.
Oh boy how i will promote this reality to cult of the damned called federer fans hahahhaha
@@Filip-dg6uk yeah! I’m a fed fan but numbers don’t lie!
Djokovic is the best player in the history. Facts prove that. Djokovic has the most weeks as number 1. Djokovic soon has the most slams.
Djokovic leads the total h2h vs nadal. Djokovic leads the total h2h vs Federer.
Djokovic leads the h2h vs Federer in slams. BUT Nadal leads the h2h vs djokovic in slams (10-7).
But it doesn't matter that nadal leads the h2h vs djokovic in slams, since djokovic has the most weeks as #1,
and djokovic soon has the most slams, and djokovic leads the total h2h vs Nadal.
@@Filip-dg6uk toxic
Facts!!
I love how you have decided to tackle a most challenging problem of determining the quality of a player in an era. Excellent!
we will not see a generation as hard as Djokovik's. 1 GS won in an era like this is worth more than 1 GS won in any other era. Without a doubt, he is the best player of all time.
Who is DjokoviK?
Absolutely fascinating analysis! Congratulations for your extreme efforts and all the skills you needed for this accomplishment.
Everyone should spread this analysis to the dumb ATP organizers
@@letrantrung1 ATP earned lots of money during all these years by robbing the less-ranked players of their deserved income and because of Federer and Nadal's overhyped popularity. Now they have more than enough budget to hire politics into the equation, no way they will care about facts and the truth as shown in this video. Sadly but gladly, this makes Novak supporters all the more special - Novak fans prove themselves capable of winnowing out the truth from all the bias and lies that the world revolves around.
The only fair way to determine success. Stats. Great job Goatkovic.
In tennis yes, in teams sports no
100% correct
Boy this is really going to piss the 40-15 people off 😂
Djokovic has spent more weeks ranked #1 than his total combined weeks ranked #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8 and #9
Outstanding, complex and well-argued analysis.
Congratulations on removing all doubts and dilemmas.
Big business. Congratulations!
And of course, I'm waiting for the next one.
I'm gonna leave this here to make it more visible. I hope you don't mind.
I appreciate the effort put into this video a lot, but I'll just say it: the conclusions are wrong, because the researcher is misunderstanding the information the analysis is giving him.
He didn't prove that Djokovic's era is stronger, he proved that the difference in level between the best players and the not so best is bigger in Djokovic's era than in Federer's era.
That doesn't mean the best players from the Djokovic era are better than the best from the Federer era. I could argue that they are at the same level, but the best players from the Djokovic era have better numbers because they all faced a weaker competition (the not so best in the Djokovic era being weaker than the not so best in the Federer era).
To make it easy to understand. Let's say we have a player that in a given era wins 10 GS, and then we have 10 players that win 1 GS each, on a different era. I could argue that the other 10 are better than the first one, even though they only have 1 GS each, because I could say that this happened only because they had to face each other in the same era (and there wasn't enough titles for everyone).
Conclusion: you can't measure the tennis level by comparing achievements, this only gives you information about the difference in level between a certain amount of players from the same era, but does not inform you if they were all better or worst than players from another era. This can only be analyze subjectively, by watching tennis and trying to figure out which players were stronger.
@@charlie172011 Those people were in big 3 era and won more than other players in Federer era, stronger competition and stronger era. What u said is nonsence especially when u watch other videos of this series
@@VladaBB Judging by your comment, you didn't understand mine.
@@charlie172011 Players in later times are ofc going to be much stronger as the game evolves, not only game but equipment too. You just spouted some nonsense up there. He literally proved that players Roger faced never peaked in his era and u would more than likely get the same from analysing their matces.
"He didn't prove that Djokovic's era is stronger, he proved that the difference in level between the best players and the not so best is bigger in Djokovic's era than in Federer's era.
That doesn't mean the best players from the Djokovic era are better than the best from the Federer era. I could argue that they are at the same level, but the best players from the Djokovic era have better numbers because they all faced a weaker competition (the not so best in the Djokovic era being weaker than the not so best in the Federer era)". One of the most retarded comments i've ever read(didnt want to be rude but my god dude this is just stupid).
Also your "Conclusion: you can't measure the tennis level by comparing achievements, this only gives you information about the difference in level between a certain amount of players from the same era, but does not inform you if they were all better or worst than players from another era. This can only be analyze subjectively, by watching tennis and trying to figure out which players were stronger". How can u not measure lvl by comparing achievments, its that the point of GOAT Debate, no one compares their performance cuz Djokovic is clear victorious there, thats why u all say 1 Slam and 1 Gold medal>Golden Masters x2, More overall masters, more ATP finals, Alot more weeks at No1.
@charlie172011 I understood your comment, and you're completely wrong, you wish the players were weaker, but novak played far superior competition.
I'd give you a bone if the stats were close, but they were not close at all.that can be explained away.
Be a better person, and stop lying.
Novak is GOAT, JUST ACCEPT IT.
Conclusion- Djokovic is the GOAT of tennis.
wrorng
@@mclovin7446 yes you are, its alright
for some not for others
@@edubielalpizar4391 For some he is the GOAT, and for statistics he is the Ultimate GOAT. 😁😃
@@j2theosh6969 I mean he is one of the most boring players I have ever seen play but ok
Kyrgios.
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An important stats, which boggles my mind:
Before Fed started dominating in 2004, there were EIGHT different champions in the last EIGHT grand slams (2002-2003).
Because there was no clear standout at the time and tho there were 8 diff champs, they were still elites and not randoms.
What's a more interesting fact is how Nadal and Djokovic are dominating in the "Next Gen" era with no resistance. 2016-2018 when Nadal and Djokovic turned 30 and were slowing down, nobody ever took the reigns from them.
2016 to now is the next gen era, a lot of top players now weren't around in the 2011-2016 era. Yet none of these next gens can take the reigns from 2 out of prime legends. doesn't that show you how weak the 2016-2022 era is? Even roger won three times post 2016 and he was much older.
If Roger played the players from 2016-2022 when he turned 30 years old, he'd have won even more titles.
When Roger left his prime he had to challenge Prime Stan, Prime Nadal, Prime Novak, Prime Andy. All who could have won slams in any era. When Nadal and Novak left their prime, they had much easier competition.
@@jjsyphor8288 Yes, but the whole point of this video was that Federer benefited from this same lack of competition at the beginning of his career even nadal and djokovic are benefitting from it (less so, as the stats show) at the end of theirs.
It wasn't weak until Federer raised the level of the game and destroyed them.
You could easily use this stat to suggest the era was more competitive not less. The whole argument to grade an era could easily be viewed the exact opposite way. There were more people succeeding and a lot of truly great players who were ranked in the top 5 were not making grand slam finals like Henman, Haas, Grosjean and Davdenko who were a combined 0-18 in GS semis.
you deserve way more credit than you already did for making this video and putting in all this effort. Great analysis! and im a #fedfan
And sorry then u can frame it just fοr the sake of stats great job !fed is the king he has changed the face of sport the style the elegance even the sponsorships ! He is the king as a figure in tennis he made history we will always go back to the the Federer era! Always not under estimating nadal and Novak but he marked an era that made history in the sport!just like we always go back to Bjorn Borg !like in F1 Schumacher will be a point of reference !even we will always go Back To the era of Navratilova and steffi Graf !
Great job but the point of reference will always be the Federer era !he was on a different level And has make history !we will always refer to the Federer era no matter how many more come after him !
@@mariophilippo2871 Federer played for about 20 years and dominated for 3 years. I will take Djokovic anyday with his dominance since 2011. That is really impressive and the reason why people feel Djokovic is the GOAT.
@@toms9864 Excatly, my point as well. That shows a real statement, testament to the Djokovic greatness,13 consecutive years plus 80 % wins seasons. I dont recall where that happen in any other sport of some great champions. In tennis Novak is the only one who did it. Its purely delusional, when somebody can still say that Djokovic is not above Federer and Nadal or any other past greats.People live in their dreams, but the reality is when they wake up, they cant deny anything else , as is seen that Novak Djokovic is the best of them all, of course the greatest tennis player for now. If somebody comes along and beats all that he has done,than we can talk otherwise. But now Djokovic is the Goatkovic .
The same people, who are arguing that Djokovic is not the GOAT, are the fans that were trying to negatively influence his matches. They are Fetterer fans. Those Fetterer fans would now have us believe that Fetterer is the greatest because he is so smooooooth and loved. LOL!@@nikolakostic1310
We can all agree that Roger was the first dominant champion of the recent era, with an elegant, lethal, versatile style of play and a sort of aura if invincibility (he finished 2006 season with 93 wins and 2 losses, thats crazy).
Nole took the game to a whole different level in all possible angles (results, performance, versatility, defense, offense) becoming almost invincible in a time we did not expect someone to top Federer and be a consistent champion, and not a seasonal champion like other players who shine in 1 tournament every 3 years. On top of that, there is Nadal. I think a long time will pass until we have the best 3 tennis players in the history of the sport playing in the same era. That never happened before and will hardly happen again. Nole is the GOAT, no doubts about that. But all 3 (Nole, Roger and Rafa) are the best in history, with Nole at the top.
The fuck you are talking about?! Lol Federer suffered 5 losses in 2006, not 2! Lmao
And it’s not even 93 victories either, it is - 92! Lol
Wrong lol. Federer or Rafa GOAT
But bjorn won 148 and lost only 1 match in an unknown year.
Shi* anything and get away with it.. If u have fellow shitters along with u.
@@DrFearfall did you actually watch the video or are you just Blind aha?
You just gained a subscriber.
Great analysis. The best way to analyse the GOAT debate (purely on stats).
Novak transcends all eras. He is the GOAT!
The question is you prefer watch a Federer match or djokovich match? The answer is clear Federer is the most entertaining. The high percentage style of defensive players like djokovich and Nadal is great for results but not as much entertaining period
@@gomriria2197 I don’t think that’s a valid argument for who’s the goat because what’s your basically saying is Federer is the goat because you like his play style more.
@@wack2904 yes like maradona is the goat in football Federer style inventions sabr neo backhand serve volley etc... what will generations remember from djokovich? Ah he won titles ok..
@@gomriria2197 the silver surfer gliding volley, the running head down backhand diagonal winners, the lob, the crazy catch up net diagonals, the living on edge break and match point saves in the most exciting moments against greatest rivals. Dude. This guy has provided so much excitement over the years that I have literally WHILE WATCHING realized that I can tell this match to my grandchildren one day...
@@gomriria2197 Again man I agree that federer is entertaining to watch but I'm saying it doesn't matter if djokovic boring to you. "Ah he won titles ok" I'm assuming your saying thats all he did, your not wrong he will be remembered for winning the most titles in the history in tennis, more than federer. He will pass 20 slams and you know it thats why federer fans are talking about his federers style and not the stats. Tennis is not an art, it a sport, number don't lie.
djokovic has in his era from 2011-16 a 41-19 h2h against federer and nadal.
federer has in his era from 2004-10 a 21-20 h2h against djokovic and nadal.
Not really, 2008 and 2010 were Nadal years, so Was 2013...
One or two multi-slam years versus Federer’s 2004-2007 as well as 2009! 2 multi slam seasons of Federer versus Two of Nadal! Likewise since 2011 till 2016! 2013 the only multi-slam two slam season of Nadal versus 2 3-slam seasons of Djokovic in 2011 and 2015 respectively as well as one 2slam season in 2016, wrapped up by the non-calendar year grand slam, which Nadal never had! Both decades were dominated by Federer and Djokovic, except for clay! In both eras Nadal was acting like a 2nd gear, mostly dominating one surface…
Great video man couldnt believe you have less than 500 subscribers the analysis and formatting is amazing!! Keep it up :)
Roger Federer won 16 grand slams when Novak Djokovic won his first grand slam. Federer won 4 more and Djokovic won 19 more.
3 of which while Djokovic was injured, and when Djokovic returned he never won
What do you mean? Djokovic won AO 2008, Federer had 12 gs by them, the number 12 was against djokovic in uso 2007, what you probably want to say its federer had 16 gs when djokovic became number 1 ranking for the first time
17 of Djokovic's 20 slams came after Federer's 30th birthday. Hmmm
@@gotimlol5318 Djokovic has now won 8 slams after the age of 30. Federer won 16 slams before Djokovic's appearance in 2011 and only 4 since then, 4 slams in 10 years, isn't that ridiculous? He has only won 4 slams after the age of thirty 3 of which while Djokovic was absent or 2 AO 2017/2018 which is the home of Djokovic and Wimbledon 2017 where with Djokovic he lost 3 finals out of 3 memories?. Do you understand or need a more detailed description. Hmmm 🤣🤣🤣
@@gotimlol5318 lhmmm? Really? So what? Look what Novak has done in his 30s.
really cool analysis, great way to think about it. appreciate the upload, it clarifies a lot of stuff in a way that puts the fact straight with minimal bias
very convincing - i don't know how anyone can argue with these stats
one cannot
Amazing well done! Discussion is over! Novak is THE GOAT!
Love the analysis. Spot on in so many ways. Hilarious comments too. Well done!
Top stuff, well done! Keep them coming!
As a Federer I got a say the argument that Djokovic benefitd from a week era is one of the weakest argument I’ve ever heard against Djokovic. Djokovic had to deal with Federer, Nadal, Murray, Del Potro, Wawrinka, also Dominic Thiem, Medvedev, and now Alcaraz, Federer biggest opponents early on were Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, and Ferrero.
Well done. The best comparation video I ever saw.
Splendid work! I’m looking forward to the next ones. I’m really impressed! 👏
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"But don't be a cry baby about the stats. Choosing different stats would not help you." had me dying laughing 😂
Great job bro ! The amont of work is just insane and the video is very clear and well presented.
I can only imagine the time it took for these videos. I appreciate them all!
I am a big Nadal Fan. But even i have to admit that Djokovic is the most complete Tennis Player of all time
I would argue that Roger Federer is the most complete player of all time. Djokovic on the other hand has less tools in his arsenal but he is more consistent and focused on them.
Thank you 😊 for this amazing research of facts! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Extremely well analyzed 👏👏👏
Absolutely a monumental analysis... stats don't lie... let's not even consider the "crowd effect" which Djokovic had to and still is playing against most of the time!! Would be interesting to make same analysis with Rafa.. since now he has 21 GS.. which i believe is probably the only record he holds at the moment against Djokovic + 1 olympic gold medal... :)
This is by far the best analysis I've watched on the tennis matter. And I've watched plenty. Thank you for this and keep up the good work. Like & Sub
It’s great to have now a video to refer people to, when they come up with the “stats don’t benefit Djokovic”. Amazing analysis video, I’m subscribing!
Absolutely amazing video. No matter if it sounds like you're a Djokovic fan, but it seems like you're trying to convince people of why you think Djokovic is the best, in a great video. You've searched every detail, taken every relevant stat and number into account to factually prove why he's the goat.
I needed this, I'm tired of trying to explain to difficult Fed fans why the opponents Djokovic had to deal with such as Fed, Nadal, Murray (greatest tennis 4 of all time), Wawrinka, Medvedev, Del Potro etc are tougher than players like Roddick, Safin, Hewitt and Davydenko lol. Even if Djokovic had his biggest success before the Next Gen came onto the stage, ref 2011 (jan-july 2011 with the insane Djokovic records of 43 unbeaten record, 4 out of 5 masters victorier (didn't play the one he didn't win so basically 4/4) was before any of top 4 were 30 years old so the argument of old Fed doesn't work, and that period of Djokovic is arguably the greatest level and feat of tennis ever)
Question; 14:42 Why is Nadal i red meaning Fed era, while his ELO says 2013 in Djokovic era?
Because I highlighted in red Federer's greatest rivals from his era. The point was that none of them except Safin peaked in Federer's era.
@@goatkovic oohhh, so Nadal being Fed’s greatest rival, wasn’t even on his peak in the Fed-era, but reached it first in 2013, after Fed-era?
@@ivordundic6095 That's right.
to be honest, I don't care who the goat is, I've been hearing this for 30 years now!
if you like it's Djokovic, great player, no questions asked.
but if you're bothering to compare statistics, then please do it right!
highest ELO e.g. the system has changed several times in the last 20 years, so you cannot compare the ELO from RF from 2005 and the ELO from ND from 2015; they are different
Likewise, the Masters titles were rated differently in 2005 than in 2015.
and in addition RF always played in his home tournament in Basel (now Masters 250,500?) and always skipped Paris (Masters 1000) tournament. so he can considers the greatest because he likes to play at home?
you also say that you have all the important records, but you skip the 105 titles from RF (2nd behind jimmy conners)?
or the 40 times in a row GS semi-finals (or something like that)
my question and I know it's hard for a fan, but try to make this video again as neutral as possible and involved with History. Players like Rod Laver, Björn Borg, Pete Sampres and others for tennis fans who have been watching longer than the last 20 years are also eligible for the goat, if there is one.
then I like your video too
greetings from Switzerland
PS: i tried to watch the video but it is so horrible.
may I ask since when have you been watching tennis?
because your knowledge of tennis is disastrous!
and you compared M.Baghdatis with Caspar Ruud, hahahahahah How.......sorry buddy but you have no F clue about Tennis.
Brilliant analysis. Congratulations!!!
Novak Djokovic = GOAT (and in the future)!!!
This is awesome, incredible work 🙌🙌🙌🙌
As a data analyst I enjoy these videos. There are some metrics that I don't think are as quantitative or comparable as stated, but I do agree with the majority of this
Svaka cast! Ali stvarno - Svaka cast! Nasao sam svoj omiljeni video na celom YT 😊
Absolutely amazing analysis!
Novak is far beyond anyone else in the tennis circus because he stood up for freedom, bodily integrity and for (real) science whereas most other players just cowardly complied and even threw dirt at him (Federer, Nadal and Tsitsipas). So to compare Novak with any of these guys is an insult.
Yes, an insult to them
Amazing video! Subscribed!!!
Great video guys!
just amazing job you did to compare the two simply amazing
Absolutely masterful multi-spectrum statistical analysis. Unbiased, objective and pure. Bravo and thank you Goatkovic 🏆
Amazing to see these numbers at the end of 2023 and see how much he has done in one year.
Now we can replace 2016 with 2023 in the best seasons category and the result is even more obvious. Better yet, make it a 10 or 12 best seasons comparison. After all, Being the greatest is all about sustained excellence over a long period of time. A 4-5 year peak is just 25-30% of your career, wouldn't a non-peak performance be an even better metric?
@@stanleykwan7759Djokovic wins the comparison due to 2016 because of murray stats. If you replace 2016 he will lose the comparison. As per this guy Djokovic era is the strong era because he allowed Murray to peak in a year where fedal were injured but Federer era is weak bcos he prevented roddick and Nadal to peak.
Wow! Fascinating! Thanks man! I didnt know about your channel, subscribed. :)
This need more views, video is brilliant.
Brilliant Analysis brother🙏👍....
I wish there was one of this for Serena and graf. I really love Djokovic and Serena and I find it unfair when people try to take away their status as the “GOAT”
Interesting idea. I could do this for any two players.
@@goatkovic Graf has no business being there. Peak Graf was owned by 18-19 year old Monika.
@@dzailibu Monika should and would have been the best ever.
@@goatkovic if Monica had not been stabbed Graf would not even win 15 GS. And Seles would win 25 GS at least.
@@goatkovic Djokovic is the best player in the history. Facts prove that. Djokovic has the most weeks as number 1. Djokovic soon has the most slams.
Djokovic leads the total h2h vs nadal. Djokovic leads the total h2h vs Federer.
Djokovic leads the h2h vs Federer in slams. BUT Nadal leads the h2h vs djokovic in slams (10-7).
But it doesn't matter that nadal leads the h2h vs djokovic in slams, since djokovic has the most weeks as #1,
and djokovic soon has the most slams, and djokovic leads the total h2h vs Nadal.
Love your videos please continue the good work!!!❤️💪
Amazing video brother keep up the good work
These are excellent points. I prefer not to discuss/argue who's the GOAT, but rather who's my favorite. That is an emotional choice more than anything.
Top notch work
Damn. This is a profound and exact analisys. I thought it was going to be biased because of the channel who uploaded it, but actually it’s pretty objective. Congrats for that
It is a very good analysis, but what you have to consider is that 2004-2007 was played in much faster surfaces, and there were huge differences between tournament court speeds, Wimbledon - French Open - Australian - ATP Finals - Miami etc....
From 2011 onwards, the courts were practically identical, and that helped the rest of the good players, the top 10, top 15 contenders to be more consistent and have better overall results.
Court speeds (especially hard court speeds) slowed down significantly in the 2010 - 2020 decade, which helped Djokovic's game (longer rallies) and hurt Federer's game (finish the point quickly and precisely).
Statistics on point.
Well done mate
Federer has repeatedly stated that Djokovic and Nadal made him a better player. This means that Federer has admitted that he reached his peak in an era that was not his own. Bravo for the video! You destroyed every argument they made.
Djokovic got this good because he had Federer and Nadal. Without them, he would strugle now with the young ones.
I've watch Fed play since 1999...and to me his level in 2014/2015 was the highest
@@asud2571 yeah I remember 2015 season it felt like he was the only guy able to stop Djokovic from winning literally everything. Wawrinka and Murray played some of their best tennis too and managed to win against Djokovic once each. Federer won 3 times.
Excellent 😊
brilliant analysis!
I love your accurateness and this special scientific spirit you put in this video. My heart as a lover of science and research beats higher:D
Excellent analysis... 2011- present is the strongest era. No doubt about it Statistics speak itself.
The use of the best 4 seasons for each player is ingenious way of leveling their stats.
valid stats and analysis, great video! - a fed fan
The world needs more people like you
Really good analysis! While I do agree that 2004-2007 was Federer’s peak era, I’d be curious to re-run your number if you drop 2007 and include 2017. That would bring a lot of the players that peaked closed to some of Djokovic’s prime years.
I might just take a screen shot of your comment for one of the upcoming videos when we go over 2017 in detail. There's plenty to discuss about that season.
Looking forward to the video!
we should also include 2017, exactly
Up to 2007 Roger was 12-2 in Grand Slam Finals. (The 2 losses were to Nadal at The French Open) After that he went 8-9. (4 Losses against Nadal, 4 against Djokovic, and 1 against Juan Martin Del Potro)
@@lpr5269 Federer won 8 slams in his last 15 years and 3 of them were when Djokovic was not playing because of injuries in 2017 - 2018. If Djokovic wasn't injured, the GOAT debate would have been over a long time ago.
I think one of the best part of the video is at 17:23
Amazing video, can't believe you put in the work to find all these statistics and make it into one whole video, can't wait till more people watch it and will accept the truth.
I love your content! Thanks
Djokovic is the Goat of Tennis. Stats say it. - Fed fan here.
why don't you think Fed is? Stats are just a metric
@@warriorsilver2442 Based on the statistics, Novak is currently ahead of the other two, but everybody has their personal favorites. We all can have subjective opinions and consider many different metrics to measure the greatness, but obviously what most people do consider while deciding the GOAT debate is, how much a player has achieved on court. But, this opinion of mine doesn't make me any less of a Fed fan.
@@AsifKhan-yn2wp I see,that was pretty much a nice and unbiased comment from a Fed fan I haven't seen for so long!
@@warriorsilver2442 Honestly, I am a fan of big 3 and tennis in general. But my personal favorite is Fed.
@@AsifKhan-yn2wp ah no worries. You are still better than a lot of other Fed's personal favorites who claimed he is the goat of tennis because stats don't matter
The thing is most of the guys in Djokovic could beat him at any given time they all have the game Tsisipas,cilic,rublev,sinner,alcaraz,wawrinka,medvedev,zverev,berrettini,Murray,Delpo if Djokovic has 1 off day he’s done 9/10 I mean cmon guys you can’t be serious!See unlike you guys I’ve been following tennis and watching all the slams and important tournaments since 2005 I don’t need RUclips to tell me who was trash and who had game I saw all the trash😂
Lovely video!
Quick question: At 3:10, how did you decide whether to put the common players (e.g. nadal) in djokovic era or fed era? Its important because at 7:40, Nadal is not there in the list of 27 fed era players.
Good question. I made the decision based on when they peaked. Nadal's best season was 2010, peak ELO in 2013, and he became number 1 for the first time in 2008. So he didn't peak by any metric in the Federer era. So at 3:10 I put him as Djokovic era player.
I completed the analysis first and then made these kinds of cosmetic decisions.
But since you bring it up, there is one point that I left out of the video because I wanted to keep it simple. Several players reached their best ranking multiple times. For example, both Nadal and Federer were number 1 in Djokovic's era, so I could have even counted them there. If I did that, that part of the analysis would be even more in Djokovic's favor. By counting only the first time a player reached his highest ranking, that part of the analysis is biased in Federer's favor, but even so it didn't matter.
@@goatkovic Thanks man for the detailed explanation. Hope to see more such videos in the future :)
Perfect !,..just perfect ! Very well done.
you're the best of the best tennis analycist youtuber out there. congrats for this very solid data
Im a fed fan - but Djokovic is goat - no two ways about it.
And for those saying Djokovic is winning in a weak era:
- a.) this supposed weak era is way more competitive than the 2004-2007 era when Federer racked up 11 slams against Hewitt/Roddick/Gonzalez/Baghdatis and even then struggled against a less mature Nadal
B.) this isnt a weak era - Djokovic beating players that should be in their prime - Thiem/ Medvedev/ Tsitsipas (all superior games to Roddick who was nothing without the serve and hewitt etc that had a rally ball landing in the middle of the court lol)
C.) The fed being old doesnt hold up - Djokovic in 2009 beat Federer 3 times in one of federers supposedly best seasons lol
D.) Fed may be old - but djokovic and Nadal are same age and djokovic consistently dominates Nadal on any other surface besides clay - (Nadal also dominated Federer on every surface in his prime - 2008 FO final, 2008 Wimbledon Final, 2009 Australian Open Final)
E.) Western media also biased so heavily favours Federer especially @ elitist tournaments like Wimbledon (where he will most likely equal or break Federers 8 Wimbledon titles)
great video and great editing !
as wee say people lie but not the figures !
Enjoyed a lot !!!!
Bravo on the video. Subscribed. Can you do a similar video in the future comparing Nadal? At this point, it is less who is GOAT #1, but more who holds #2. IMO it is still Federer but I think Nadal is getting closer and will surpass him too
I want to make a video about Nadal, but what should be the subject?
@@goatkovic compare the stats between Rafa and Roger. It looks like there is not a clear winner as they both have formidable statistics.
Nadal is the unlucky one here. He had to compete against a prime Federer, then when he takes over and becomes undisputed no.1 booom Djokovic comes out of nowhere and spanks him in 2011 and throughout most of the decade
kinda feel sorry for Nadal too. Rafa paved the way for younger guys eliminating that moral advantage Fed had over older players. I will always consider Nadal the GOAT
@@faridabubakr5412 imagine nadal with no injury
thx! great job! very precasly...
Very thorough video nicely done. Are you the same guy as Intuitive Tennis?
I'm not. I'll have to check that guy out 🙂
i mean even my agassi won from 1999-2003 more grandslams then hewitt, safin and roddick all together from 1999-2003.
Great video and Novak is definitely the goat with stats or not, I mean just look at his achievements!!! I think the reason why most people think the era is weak now is mainly due to how a post-prime federer was able to win against many of the next gen players and grabbed 3 slams during djokovic’s absences. I mean if djokovic is not here federer would still be winning slams before his surgery (2019 Wimbledon as an example). So if a post-prime federer can cause so much trouble in the modern era, people naturally assume a prime federer living now will win everything.
Excellent analysis. Something to consider is that medvedev, zverev and tsitsipas peaked in 2021 because they’re young. If you did this analysis in 2030, you would disclude them from the djokovic era analysis just like how you disclude nadal from the federer era even though nadal was already winning grand slams at that time and was more dominant then these next gen players.
Man oh Mann!! You have earned it. I have subscribed to the Goatkovic!!!
Come on : Djokoivic's era has been more competitive
Thank you for pointing out that Djokovic had to face peak Nadal. I see people constantly claiming that Nadal's peak was 2006-2008, when it was actually 2010-2013. You shouldn't even have to go this far into statistics to realize this
2006, Nadal won only French open, same with '07. He didn't even make the semifinals of the hard court slams. In '08, he won FO and Wimbledon and again didn't make the finals of any of the hard court slams.
Nadal's 2010 season doesn't get talked about enough. If not for an Injury in AO, he would've won the Calendar Slam. But you know what else doesn't get talked about enough? His 2011 Season. If not for another injury in AO, he would've made the finals of all 4 slams. Even with the injury, he could've won 3 grand slams, 5 masters 1000s, and world no. 1. The only thing that stopped this from happening? Djokovic.
Djokovic had to face prime Nadal. Also, Nadal's elo in the 2021 French Open is higher than all his elo's in Fed's era. And you know who beat Nadal ON CLAY when he had his SECOND HIGHEST ELO? Djokovic.
100%. I cover this in the video where I compare peak Fed vs peak Nole.
Okay lets be Honest, he didnt rly play in 2021 so he carried Elo from 2020(Well most of it). So we have to take that into consideration
@@VladaBB He played in Australia and in Roland Garros in 2021.
2008-2013 Rafa is prime Rafa. 2008 cannot be excluded as he dethroned Fed at Wimbledon, won Olympic gold on hardcourt and had a 32 match win streak including multiple titles on clay, grass and 1 on hard courts. This win streak is the longest win streak ever in tennis history involving 3 different surfaces. In 2009 Rafa also had a phenomenal start to the season winning AO (his matches there vs Verdasco and Fed are some of his best ever hard court performances), and 3 Masters 1000 before the French. His second half of 2009 wasn't as impressive as he recovered from injury, missing Wimbledon that year. These two years are definitely part of his prime.
@@ashleythomas4112 The longest win streak on different surfaces is Djokovic with 43.
I'm not sure if these others cover all surfaces: Borg 56, Vilas 53, Djokovic 43, Federer 42, Sampras 39, Muster 35, Nastase 33, Laver and Nadal 32.
This video is the best I've seen on YT on tennis. If you need any help with number accumulation, let me know. I'm good with numbers, thanks for the video bro
Is there any specific software you use for your infographics in videos?
PowerPoint.
@@goatkovic oh alright thanks
ok, then we djokovic fans have the right to says, that novak was to young from 2003wimbledon -2010 Australian open...i mean 16-22 age novak was in that time in the age when federers was playing the season 1997-2003
😂😂😂Nole was not even playing in the ATP😂😂
Federer and Nadal fans wants to cherry-pick performances where the result went in their favour. The truth is that outside of clay there has never been a more accomplished player then Novak Djokovic.
Love your videos for pure knoweledge of statistics! I dont care about current big three, as I am Edberg fan. Now my question: Is an era more competitive if wins are spread across many "weak" players (Fed era) or if wins are dominated by few "strong" players. ( Djoko era) ?
Thanks for the vid! Very entertaining and intriguing! I lost it when you said not to complain about the stats hahahaha. You just gained a subscriber.
Couple thoughts that I have to express, sorry.
First. To me it's quite obvious that Djokovic's era is stronger than Federer's era. I've never heard anyone state otherwise. Tennis, as all sport, naturally evolves through time. Athletes nowadays spend much more time and effort training and preparing than before. Coaching methods have developed and the theory of sport has developed. Equipment such as recquets and clothes also develop through time optimizing every aspect of play. Not to mention that newcomers are building on the shoulders of giants, seeing what the baseline is now and taking their aim higher than that their predecessor's (what Federer is to Djokovic). I think it's a pretty safe assumption that any era that is more recent than another, will be the stronger one out of the 2.
Second. By extension to the first point: It's quite obvious that prime Djoko would beat prime Fed more often than not. Not 100% of matches of course but more than 50. I'll let you come up with better numbers in your next video (looking forward). Djokovic is a more advanced player in a more advanced era.
When debating who the GOAT is, looking at statistics like this is, although fun, a bit problematic in my opinion. There's more depth to it than who has a higher peak ELO or who would beat who. Otherwise guys like Björn Borg and John McEnroe would not even enter the conversation as I'm sure for example prime Del Potro would destroy either of those guys in a match. But Borg & McEnroe are considered much closer to GOAT than Del Potro. And I can agree with that. Same logic applies here.
So yes. Djokovic will more likely win when looking at who can strike the yellow ball over to the opponents side more consistently. But if you ask me who the GOAT is, I will tell you its Federer. 2 key points to this. First point kind of gets pointed out by you. Federer reached a level of play unheard of in his own era. Compare his ELO to people's ELOs in his own era and it will likely show that his relative skill is further from his peer's than Djokovic's. I think this is a key statement. Second and most important point goes beyond numbers and is quite subjective. It's pretty hard to explain to people who don't just see it themselves but here goes: Federer is a truly unique player. His style of play and shotmaking is astoundingly beautiful. He has much more variance to his play than any other player. He has come up with and made mainstream shots that didn't exist or have a name before he showed up. AND he makes it look easy. There's something more special with his racquet making contact with a ball than Djoko's (I know this sounds silly haha).
If it weren't for Federer, Djokovic would not be at the level he is now. He would not have reached the same peak. Same doesn't apply other way around. (Not that it has effect on who the GOAT is but it's a fun reminding fact).
I'm a huuge fan of Djokovic and he is an athletic monster. But the true heart and soul of tennis is, throughout all times, Federer. The GOAT.
TL;DR:
Still standing here saying it's Federer.
nice video. now it is hardly arguable that Djokovic is the GOAT in terms of stats. he was facing a bit tougher competition during his career, that is true and he made it, maybe last two seanons he benefits that Fed is too old, Nadal has injuries and getting older as well but that is how it goes. Regarding Fed I would say he is definitely one of the most gifted players of all time and his game is like a masterpiece when he is on fire so this is something special. But unlucky for him - he failed really many times with his rivals in very close matches - Nadal and Djokovic, and I would add some clashes with Del Potro and once with Marat Safin at AO05. It cost him about 5 GS titles and this is too many. He really was capable to win some of those matches, it was more about mental toughness than tennis skill and this is sad. Look at W08 -he had no trouble until final against Nadal and he failed in a close match. AO09 is the similar story, superb till the final match, USO09 - very hard to understand how he could not win it!! And later on Djokovic showed up and we know the story. Unlucky for him that matchup with Nadal was really bad for him and his style, he should react earlier with new larger frame of racquet and tactics, this was big mistake. With Djokovic it is another story, it was about his selfconfidence which he lost after 2012 and of course about age difference as well, but still he could do better, except for blowing his last Wimbledon final I remember USO 15 final and it was terrible - breakpoint conversion rate maybe cost FEd another GS title. So in general it is really a bit sad that he didnt react better and prepared some better tactics both for NAdal, which he did but late and espacially for Djokovic...
So thats the thing now?! People will now judge Djoker’s latest slams as weak slams, because he didn’t have to face Fedal in finals or semis?! Is that it?! Lol Nvm that the entire field of players he had to face in each grand slam tournament are all 10 years younger than him at very least and some of them are in their primes! Lmao
This is fucking stupid! I understand if this was coming from Fedal cult club, but coming from someone, who respects what Novak does and respects the game in general - this was very low…
And what if the situation in the next couple of years won’t change much and he will be able to win multiple slams a season?! People will say - “Hey! Look at all these bums and how weak they are! They cannot even defeat a 35 year old man” amirite?! Do people understand how difficult it is to keep up with someone 10 years junior your age physically, not to mention having a draw at each grand slam literally FULL of them! Wherever Djokovic will play in the next couple of years almost certainly there will be at very least 3 or 4 players out of 7, who will be 10 years younger than him! That is so easy to do, right?! But sure let’s pretend he has to face Ferrer, Cilic or Berdych in each round in the next two years…
You could use “weak next gen” excuse a couple of years ago, when none of them were able to make the dent at grand slams (except for Medvedev), but now it doesn’t work anymore! Most of them are improved and dangerous now, Zverev and Medvedev are already grand slam level threats, others are catching up as well! You can’t use “weak next gen” excuse anymore every time Novak wins the grand slam without making yourself look silly!
is 2006 ao easy then what will u say for 2019 wimbeldon djoko didnt had a single top 20 player and othe hand federer had to deafeat berenitti kei who u said is not weak nadal
This video is eye-opening!
Djokovic now won a Slam final against Ruud. 3 people have lol. Who saw that coming in 2021