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Buchardt Audio - SUB10 (Subwoofer) Introduction
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- We are proud to showcase our new Sub10, Buchardt's first subwoofer that is both feature-packed, compact, and extremely powerful for its size!
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Send it to Erin’s Audio Corner!!
We will! 👍Already talked to him about it
@@madsbuchardt7845 great
Can you please also send him a pair of P300s while you're at it? 😊
Great design and features. Subs can take up a lot of space, this is a very smart design.
Well done Mads & Buchardt Audio.
Thank you so much 🤗
As someone who's running four slim on-wall 10" subs (admittedly not at this level individually)s with 250W each and DSP to shape the response, it's been great seeing more of these kind of designs coming out, especially from brands such as Buchardt, System Audio and the like. Modern DSP, class D amps and better drivers have really pushed the way a compact subwoofer can perform forwards.
Love the design. I'm running a 2.1 system utilizing a similarly shaped enclosure in a master bedroom. It's about the same dimensions as the SUB10, however I am using a SB Acoustics 10" driver (SB29NRX75-8), and it's matching passive radiator mounted on the opposite side with rubber feet so the passive radiator has clearance. So the active driver is "up" firing lol. The mains are SB Acoustics DIY KIT Micro 2. The reason I needed this shape is so it would fit under my bed and out of site (WAF). It's being powered with a 500 watt bash amp mounted in a project box (also out of site), connected to the Wiim ARC app. I utilized their room correction with a professional mini mic connected to my iPhone. This setup is versatile and has a ton of headroom. It will shake the house if I want it to. Will play low and high. Fun stuff
Congratulations on the release!
Thank you 🤗
Nice innovative sub... Can't wait to hear the reviews and actually hear them !
A lot bigger than I expected, nice!
That's what she said
:D ! @@Karto86
Does look bigger maybe on video, it's only 16cm deep, so it does really not look like much in a room, but it is slightly larger than some of our first prototypes
I expected it to be about 2/3rd the size of this and that would have given me less confidence in its capabillities. This just looks perfect! @@madsbuchardt7845
That tattoo is on point, Mads😁
Omg, those features... wow.
Looks interesting Mads. I'm curious about the F3 and F10 response. Hopefully this gets to you. 😉
We would have more information soon, but Erin would be among the first to get it in, we do have only 4 samples out from our pilot production (rest is shipped to all the different certification processes) so it's a lot of passing from one reviewer to the next until we get them in stock in June :) maybe you want a pair in for testing? 🤗
@@madsbuchardt7845 I appreciate the offer. I would have to clear out a bunch of product reviews right now. I'm backed up. Follow up with me later if it's still something you want to do. You seem to be doing some good stuff with DSP. I wish you the best man.
Nice work @madsbuchard7845! Can you use 2 x sub10 with a passive system? I’m keen to return to the S400 m2 with the sub 10 (or 2). Great quality as usual.
Absolutely phenomenal!!!!!!
Price is 1150 euros, which is @ $1250 USD. It goes down to 20 hz. 400 watts - 1200 peak.
Mads beautiful product...how does it work with a processor that has its own calibration system such as The anthem AVM70 or 90 pre pro which has Arc...would i use ARC calibration or the buchardt app ? I already have 3 - 400 Mk 2 to intergrate i have a small room so this could be the answer for music and movies
Will you do a video on how we can integrate this in an A500 system? Any discounts for Buchardt family members?
Wait, the room correction works full range? Very cool!
Up to 300Hz, from what I understand. With a crossover set to between 40-150Hz some of the correction will be applied to the speakers if cabled to the SUB10.
I have the Burchardt i150 integrated amplifier, and it has the same room correction feature. The following points are based on my personal experience and are meant to inform anyone who considers one of their powered products, because I think they all share common software and perhaps hardware foundations.
First off I have to say that overall the amp is a very good product with great sound, build quality and aesthetics.
Plus I would add that the Burchardt team have been exceptionally helpful, dedicated and responsive, and seem to go out of their way to keep customers happy.
Having said that, if the room correction feature specifically and the software features in general (e.g. EQ) are a major part of your purchasing decision, I think there are some things to consider before buying. Especially if returning the product (and Buchardt have an exceptionally good policy in this regard) would still be a hassle for you.
First off, the room correction itself, as far as I understand, is not as "deep" as some other software solutions, like Dirac.
If I understand correctly, Buchardt's solution only adjusts frequencies, but does not do anything with timing, which might be good enough in some cases but not in others.
Overall, you're getting room correction algorithms which are very hard to do, from a company that has less experience with them than some lf the competition.
Secondly, the experience of setting up room correction, while theoretically way simpler than something like Dirac or REW, is in practice a bit of a hassle. At least it was for me.
Theoretically, you just go around the room once, waving your phone/microphone around, look at the curve, send it to the product, and forget about it forever.
In practice, I personally had been through this sequence of actions several dozens of times and never got the room correction to sound decent. I now gave up on it entirely.
And what's more frustrating, every time I did it, I got different results.
Plus the curve always seems to "disappear" from the app. I mean the graphical representation of it. The sound still changes, but you can't see the graph where it's supposed to be. Perhaps a minor inconvenience, but it adds up to a lackluster overall experience (see more below).
Now, admittedly, I have a relatively large room, with some weird proportions. It could certainly be the case that in most commonly shaped and/or sized rooms you'll be able to get the room correction up and running much faster, and it will end up sounding great.
Nonetheless, the inconsistency of my results and the fact that I ended up not using the room correction at all should, I think, be taken into account before purchasing. Especially if you have an exceptionally large and/or awkwardly shaped room.
Also take into account that if you don't have an iPhone you'll need to purchase the microphone, which is not cheap and does nothing else except for that single job of setting up room correction.
Additionally, the smartphone app through which you'd be managing the room correction process, and basically every other "advanced" feature like EQ, is not the greatest one around.
Just for comparison, I also have an SVS subwoofer in the same room. That aub has an app with very similar features (but without room correction) and the SVS app is a lot better.
One issue with the Buchardt app is that it does not "know" how to work in the background without losing connection to the product. So if you fire up the app, do some adjustments, then want to listen to music for a while, then go back to the app to adjust some more (even simple volume adjustments), you'll find that the app no longer recognizes the product, and you'll need to swipe it to death and then revive it, run through the whole connection sequence (which takes a couple of seconds, and often fails) and only then do what you wanted.
In contrast, the SVS app, which uses the exact same connection technology (Bluetooth), does not have this issue and maintains connection for days without a problem.
Then there's the user experience in the app itself, which isn't bad but also isn't great either.
Some of the features, such as setting up an EQ curve and saving it, seem unnecessarily cumbersome.
For another comparison, I have a WIIM streamer which has way more features and still manages to seem easier to use with most of them.
Other features simply don't work. There's a button that says "Subwoofer on/off" that does absolutely nothing. I asked Buchardt about it and they said that this feature is still in development. That was about 2 years ago. Either make it work, or remove the button. Just leaving it up there makes it seem like you don't really care about the software experience.
Speaking of which, in the 2 plus years that I own this product, it did not receive a single software update. And not only the amp, neither did the app (which should be a lot easier to update).
So my own personal impression is this: Buchardt seem to make exceptional hardware with mediocre software. And while the overall package would probably be very enjoyable for most people, and gives very good value per price, it is not without issues, and in some areas seem a bit neglected.
Buchardt is a small startup with a tiny team. I don't hold them at fault and certainly wish them well, especially with their exceptional customer service. But if you're going to spend you hard earned money and/or limited time on this earth on one of their products, I do believe you should take these things into consideration.
Having said all that, I'd still consider buying this sub if I did not have the SVS. Pending on getting good reviews, of course.
@@orenshamir Wow massive thanks for this! I'm currently using REW and was considering to get miniDSP/Dirac but this showed up seemingly as an alternative as I could use a new sub. But thanks to your comment, looks like I'll have to look deeper.
Is there anywhere to listen?
Ii already have one on order to go with my A10s! Can you do two of these with WISA or would you need to go analog for a pair?
Like the slim design and thought that has gone into design. Will this integrate easily with my A500s? Tempted.
Great to see this.
Does it make sense to combine A10 with SUB10? if so, will be dedicated Sub10 mastertuning for the A10?
A10 is like 28hz ... on 80db? How much this sub can extend at 80db?
The sub10 does make sense with all of our active speakers, besides maybe the A700 unless you want to go completly nuts and add multiple subs.
The sub10 is incredibly powerful, a single of them beats a pair of A700 in bass output when utilizing the boundary reinforcement effect. A10 in its standard form with producing super deep bass does not really go super loud while doing so, so the sub10 would take away all the strain from the a10 If added. You would simply do the crossover in the buchardt app to where you add a high pass filter to the A10 on any mastertuning. There is also the 60hz high pass mastertuning for the a10, if you do not use preamp that can do high pass filters.
@@madsbuchardt7845 care to elaborate on "besides maybe the A700 unless you want to go completly nuts and add multiple subs."?
I am intrigued, because I have been looking at those stackable subwoofers like REL for a while now, how multiple SUB10s can be managed? through Wisa? or daisy-chained with signal cables?
Can't wait 😃
There is no discount ?
AWESOME !!! =)
Mads - why are master tunings not just saved in the speaker memory in a chip? You can buy a cheap USB drive and hide it inside the speaker behind a cover. No need to swap ⛷🙌💶 🔊
It's also something we are looking into for the future, for the sub, it's really not that important as there would not be many tunings, so it's all about your use case and room size into what tuning you would use. I do really only see the high spl tuning as one for loud parties 🎉
Cool product. How many can I connect via WISA? (multiple subs = less room resonance problems)
14 would be the max with a pair of speakers as well
Can you use this in multiples? And will the dsp acknowledge all of them?
Yeah you can add multiple subs into your system
Where does the power cord go when it's lying on its back?
The power cable is angled, so it will not stick out more than the rear of the SUB10. Remember that ‘feet’ are included with the SUB10, so the rear of the SUB10 will not touch the floor.
@@PixelViking thanks, if there are feet for the backside as well then of course the cable will have its space to go through.
There are some soft silicone feet that you mount where you like them, they can be removed and re mounted should your needs change over time, the powercord fits under then. We also include angels RCA adaptors should you need that as well
Was expecting to see purify woofer as in A10.
Then you might also have seen the price jump significantly! But it's for sure something we would look into for an completely no compromise high end version of this :) we would also need to implement a much bigger amp then
I have a iPhone 15 pro will I need to buy your microphone to use the room correction???
Room Correction for the iPhone ONLY works up to iPhone 14 (newer not supported - Zen Mic needed). Buchardt website mentiones this…
@@PixelVikingthe iPhone 15 have actually also been calibrated to work even though it was not supposed to. The problem with the phones are that should you have a large peak under 30hz in the room, the phones would simply not pick up on it. But it's rare people have this
Ikke helt plan med vægen...mangler en udskæring til strømkabel.....det fixer du lige ik'Mads🤔👍🥸
Har du ikke en fodliste? 😂
@@madsbuchardt7845 har ingen fodlister under sofaen hvor den skal ligge på ryggen😏.......er den kompatibel med alle højttalere? Og tak for svar👍
Is this the new Xbox Series S?
SubBox Series S.
Send it to ASR
Erin would get it, so he ushally post his reviews there
@@madsbuchardt7845 love asr community more
A sub like that is NEVER be loud! Physically impossible! Ever heard of ELC - ???
Equal Loudness Curves!