I usually am a bit reluctant to use a normal gimbal on my mirrorless because there are so many steps to balance, and so many things to bring and not forget when you are outside, but with this video I have seen what it really means a complex gimbal setup. Wow. It has been very interesting, and makes me think that really it is better to use a smaller camera on a gimbal than to go with a cinema camera and all the weight and complications. Thanks for your thoroughness and the analysis from actual experience
!EXCELLENT VIDEO! Thanks for sharing... You give a LOT of valuable information! I have been specifically looking to see which one of these 2 Gimbles to choose from! Got my LIKE & SUB! Thanks again!
Hi HP. I did spend a day testing with the reduced arm. It doesn't really solve the clearance issue. Its primary purpose is just to get the motor out of the way of the screen; albeit, it does also replicate the 3S, so going into underslung is quick and easy in short mode. I decided to let users just play with that on their own and discover what the low motor mode can and can't do. Otherwise the video would have been horrifically even longer.
The Steadimate rig looks amazing. Quick questions, why does it still shakes (for example at 34:11 and 34:45 ) and did you by any change manage to fix it? thank you
32:08 Been watching some of your stuff lately and love your material. Wondering if you could do an actual tutorial and some more detail about choosing your collar?? I'm having a hard time finding the right one, and I've never used inner tubes before :-D
Hi CI. I hear what you're saying, but I think that's far too esoteric. Every situation is so different that you often just have to problem solve your own unique situation. That said, bike tubes fix a lot of things... haha.
I Just subscribed, and Liked this video it was Long and fantastic, it's worth my time, it even solved my Problem and Answered my question, I have Crane 3s Pro pack, but was scared to mount it on a Redking Flycam Gimbal, cause almost everyone on RUclips doing it, were using a smaller Gimbal, I was worried that it wouldn't Hold, but you showed me your friend that had one on his Glidecam, my question is this: what or where can I get the screw/Bolt that will hold my Crane 3s to the Glidecam strong enough with all the payload on the Crane 3s. Please I will be Most Greatfull. Thank you sir.
Hi Godwin - Thanks for the great comment. Fundamentally you just need to ensure you are using a 3/8 16 thread. That should suffice to hold the rig together. One thing that I also didn't mention in a video but was something that recently came up in a job is to see about moving cine-camera batteries (v-mount or gold mount) to a body-worn pocket, back pack, or similar. I had an Alexa Mini mounted on the Crane 3S, and while it "worked" - it caused the motors to quit quite often. The package weight was about 10 lbs - so still 4 lbs under the max capacity, but the gimbal didn't like the rig at all. So, to just re-affirm my over-arching concept from the video; just because the company says the gimbal can handle the weight, doesn't mean it will. Or at least, reliably. So when building bigger rigs, I recommend moving the battery power off the camera if you can. Make the camera package size as compact as you can. Hope that helps!
Greetings, I am currently looking for a Rig plus Gimbal setup. Hoping you can help me with it. I have Rig comprised of: S5ii + Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 + Smallrig Mini Matt box + Smallrig Mini Follow focus + Smallrig Rod baseplate + Smallrig Quick release + Smallrig 2x15mm 12" rods + Smallrig V mount plate + Neewer 99 V-Mount battery + Smallrig Rotating side handle + Smallrig Top handle + Atmos Shinobi 5" + HDMI cable + USB-C charging cable + Powerextra NP-F970 battery. I believe it weighs somewhere around 4 kilograms. Would you suggest and believe that I'd be able to use this setup on Crane 2s? One of the videos I saw of Crane 2s shows that you can use the arm in diagonal orientation so the motor does not block screen.
I truly enjoyed this video and will save it. I own the 2s and I was sad that you only used the 2s to the Max upto "Equipment Block" but you did not truly "Maxed Out" the Gimbal Set "By The Max Weight" in consideration of "Not Blocking" the Gimbal... can you try another video with "The Max Weight Rig" on the Crane 2s.. Please...
Hi there - sounds like it would be great for you to do that! I don't think another Crane 2s video would be in the cards for us - but if you do those tests, I'd love to hear about it.
I think it would work well in an indie context, but for large budget commercials or films, going with remote heads or even just a Ronin R2 with the Master Wheels is still the way to go. Beyond payload, there is also response times, motor strength, etc. But, short answer - yes, for indie it's a great tool!
@@vistek wel deserved!! Also. Does that monopod work For a Crane 3s? The specs on the website specifically say crane 2s or crane 3 lab. I’m a little worried haha
Thanks Ryno! Oh man, it's really a hodge podge of things. Mostly just little nuts/bolts/etc for various camera rigs. A good idea is to start with a small set of Small Rig parts (1/4 20, 3/8 16). Add adaptors, couplers, velcro, sash, bongo ties, batteries (AA & AAA), hex bolts, hex wrenches, other multi tools/swiss army, etc. The rest is really up to you and what you think you'd need for your personal work. ✌🏻
@@vistek thanks a lot man. Appreciate it, keep up the good work. Busy preparing for a shoot in Antarctica and a something like this will definitely come in handy.
Great video, I am building a heavy rig on paper but before I buy I am wondering how to pull focus & not break my back. I wanted to use RS2 with dual handles but don’t think it can handle the weight. Crane s3 might be my only option as a solo operator
The attachment of entire Gimbal with camera and the monopod is just on a screw. Is it safe that way? I'm thinking of building it but that 1 screw attachment is sacry part. Please help.
I think there is a setting the controls roll. It ought assign it to pan axis. Can’t quite remember. Maybe someone else knows or it would just be trial and error.
I purchased the Steadcam Steadimate-S and it is not compatible with the newer Crane 2s, the shims are not large enough to fit around the collar of the gimbal, it’s a shame because I’ll be shipping it back.
Great video! I've actually been thinking of doing the same thing with a monopod I have lying around! Have you noticed any slippage from the bike tire/gaff tape? I've been trying to find a solution to mount the Steadimate-S to the smaller monopod without slipping under the weight of my rig.
@@vistek hey would you happen to have a link to the bike tire tubes you’ve been using? I have the aero 30 and cannot get the yoke to stay!! Please HELP
Great video. On the issue of weight management I use the SmallRing Gimbal ring, the Easyrig Easy Tilt and the Easyrig Minimax. Both the Crane 2S and Crane 3S work with this set-up. The camera weight however creates an issue in using the Crane 3S as the Minimax has a weight limit of 15.4 lbs. Using the Sony A7SIII cameras is great on either gimbal. My issue is getting my Blackmagic 6K cameras to work. I can get them to balance all day long but once I turn on the gimbal it all goes bad. I am actually at a loss as to how to proceed next.
Hi JA. That is a bit strange, but not surprising. Based on my experience I would try the following: 1. Adjust motor strength. 2. Take the camera off the gimbal and try to isolate where the balance point is. Usually I do this but just resting it on my finger for a half second. If the balance point indicates that one side of the camera is way lighter than the other, you might want to find a way to compensate for that with counter weights. Once the gimbal thinks it's one evenly weighted camera, I suspect it will start to work better. That's my best guess though.
THIS is crazy! I own the S1H and the EVA1 as well - and I have been thinking about the C3s Pro Kit for months. Now that I'm serious about it - you have this video out. THANK YOU! I saw on their site that you can pull focus via their application and I wonder what you think about the reliability and latency of their wireless transmission to the app as well as the actual focus pulling function in the application with the sliders. I prefer my DJI Focus over that but nice to have in a pinch or as a back up. Any way to power the DJI Focus with the C3s? I saw the added battery with a D-tap - but will that limit my movement i think. I just ordered it so I'll do some testing. Also curious about the undersling mode. I saw there was a jitter issue months ago. Is that pretty much gone now?
Hi Bradley! Thanks for the great comment. I can't speak to the jitter issue specifically. I mean, i've experienced that on every gimbal I've ever used. Typically it happens when it's within its weight range but can't be balanced well for whatever reason. I can't speak to operating DJI focus with the Zhiyun products. I never tried it. Maybe it works, or maybe they have some type of digital block on it to prevent you from doing that. I also can't imagine pulling focus with an app is very accurate - but IDK, I never tried. Likely works ok with wide lenses at f4 and up - but I wouldn't trust it on a 35mm and longer. Seems problematic. Finally I didn't notice any latency issues at all. Not to say there aren't any, but I just haven't noticed it. Best of luck with the new rig!
Great Video. Question. I just got the Crane 3s. Is yours silent? cause mine makes a subtle noise... sounds almost like an old mechanical hard drive loading. It's inside towards the pan motor. Also, is it normal to have very fine subtle vibrations? Like, when I put my hand on the roll arm, I can feel a slight hum kind of vibration in my fingertips.
mmmm...it'll maybe make a bit of sound but nothing that I ever really noticed. It shouldn't give you micro tremors. If it's doing that, your motor power should probably be adjusted. Though even with a perfect set up, sometimes you'll still get an odd tremor here or there but it's never consistent and usually if it's held in one specific way and the gimbal is a bit overloaded. That's just my experience, however.
Great video! My wife and I are paranormal investigators. I have a Sony AX100 and I'm trying to determine which Gimbal is best suitable for my camera. I would also be adding ir lights and the transmitter to our lava mics. Which Gimbal would you recommend for this type of setup? Do you think I'd need to add anything extra to support the accessories?
your Steadimate - crane 3s rig looks impressive, however the footage looks incredibly shaky ( at 34:08 for example ). Did you manage to find a solution? Could it be because you are overloading the A-15 arm and holding weight with your hands? Also it appears sometimes you operate with the camera on the wrong side, steadicam arm folded in an unorthodox way :-D ( 34:08 ) - great rigging though!
Hi Michele. Yes all of the above. Also, in many ways adding a gimbal to a steadicam rig is worse because you’re now adding at other axis factors. All this to say, the rig needs a lot of refinement and practice. This was simply a fast set up for a visual example. And yes, it was all very overloaded.
@@vistek Thank you for your reply and sorry for the lengthy questions. I am about to try the same setup with the A-30 and I wanted to be sure. All the best
Hi Aristo, if you have the 30lb arm/vest it all works great. But as I said in the video, it's not something you're going to master right away. It might take you a year to get it working in a consistent way. There are a lot of variables to control.
Look at that... a REAL tutorial on Gimbal profesionalisme! ♥
Thanks Cirque-it!
This is GOLD! Big difference between passionate PROs and begginner.
Thanks Kevin!
That bicycle tire tip was CLUTCH! Going to try that today since I have the same vest and collar. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful LLP!
The phone on the tripod is a great idea!
Thanks Steve!
Hi, you are a saviour, i was thinking about buying it for zv e10 to use vertical mode, jusy using kit lens for now so wasn’t sure till now
I usually am a bit reluctant to use a normal gimbal on my mirrorless because there are so many steps to balance, and so many things to bring and not forget when you are outside, but with this video I have seen what it really means a complex gimbal setup. Wow. It has been very interesting, and makes me think that really it is better to use a smaller camera on a gimbal than to go with a cinema camera and all the weight and complications. Thanks for your thoroughness and the analysis from actual experience
Thank you Blas!
This video just feels like a blockbuster movie. Thank you Dale Sood
Thank you!
Excellent information packed in here! Thank you, I will be watching this a couple more times I am sure and will be checking out your other videos.
Thank you Craig!
This was a FANTASTIC video! Thank you :)
Thanks so much! Great to see this still getting some love after all this time.
First people that i listen and teach how to use the best way of zhiyun crane 3s
Thank you Yeremi!
I think your doing a great job brother. Keep up the great videos.
Thanks Lethel!
Brilliant video, full of info. thanks for sharing.
Thanks a bunch, Will!
Enjoyed the video.
Thanks Nathan!
!EXCELLENT VIDEO! Thanks for sharing... You give a LOT of valuable information! I have been specifically looking to see which one of these 2 Gimbles to choose from! Got my LIKE & SUB! Thanks again!
Been looking for something like this with the crane 2 s thank you !
Also. Why didn’t you lower the motor on that crane 2s ? I haven’t to mine but probably will if I ever fly a Komodo
Hi HP. I did spend a day testing with the reduced arm. It doesn't really solve the clearance issue. Its primary purpose is just to get the motor out of the way of the screen; albeit, it does also replicate the 3S, so going into underslung is quick and easy in short mode. I decided to let users just play with that on their own and discover what the low motor mode can and can't do. Otherwise the video would have been horrifically even longer.
Great work as always Dale!
Thanks JL!
The Steadimate rig looks amazing. Quick questions, why does it still shakes (for example at 34:11 and 34:45 ) and did you by any change manage to fix it? thank you
Auto tuuuuune 🤣🎶 ... I love it
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Been watching some of your stuff lately and love your material. Wondering if you could do an actual tutorial and some more detail about choosing your collar?? I'm having a hard time finding the right one, and I've never used inner tubes before :-D
Hi CI. I hear what you're saying, but I think that's far too esoteric. Every situation is so different that you often just have to problem solve your own unique situation. That said, bike tubes fix a lot of things... haha.
Can someone help me with a breakdown of that counterweight system? Im having trouble looking for it
I Just subscribed, and Liked this video it was Long and fantastic, it's worth my time, it even solved my Problem and Answered my question, I have Crane 3s Pro pack, but was scared to mount it on a Redking Flycam Gimbal, cause almost everyone on RUclips doing it, were using a smaller Gimbal, I was worried that it wouldn't Hold, but you showed me your friend that had one on his Glidecam, my question is this: what or where can I get the screw/Bolt that will hold my Crane 3s to the Glidecam strong enough with all the payload on the Crane 3s.
Please I will be Most Greatfull.
Thank you sir.
Hi Godwin - Thanks for the great comment. Fundamentally you just need to ensure you are using a 3/8 16 thread. That should suffice to hold the rig together. One thing that I also didn't mention in a video but was something that recently came up in a job is to see about moving cine-camera batteries (v-mount or gold mount) to a body-worn pocket, back pack, or similar. I had an Alexa Mini mounted on the Crane 3S, and while it "worked" - it caused the motors to quit quite often. The package weight was about 10 lbs - so still 4 lbs under the max capacity, but the gimbal didn't like the rig at all. So, to just re-affirm my over-arching concept from the video; just because the company says the gimbal can handle the weight, doesn't mean it will. Or at least, reliably. So when building bigger rigs, I recommend moving the battery power off the camera if you can. Make the camera package size as compact as you can. Hope that helps!
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Greetings,
I am currently looking for a Rig plus Gimbal setup. Hoping you can help me with it.
I have Rig comprised of:
S5ii + Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 + Smallrig Mini Matt box + Smallrig Mini Follow focus + Smallrig Rod baseplate + Smallrig Quick release + Smallrig 2x15mm 12" rods + Smallrig V mount plate + Neewer 99 V-Mount battery + Smallrig Rotating side handle + Smallrig Top handle + Atmos Shinobi 5" + HDMI cable + USB-C charging cable + Powerextra NP-F970 battery.
I believe it weighs somewhere around 4 kilograms.
Would you suggest and believe that I'd be able to use this setup on Crane 2s? One of the videos I saw of Crane 2s shows that you can use the arm in diagonal orientation so the motor does not block screen.
I truly enjoyed this video and will save it.
I own the 2s and I was sad that you only used the 2s to the Max upto "Equipment Block" but you did not truly "Maxed Out" the Gimbal Set "By The Max Weight" in consideration of "Not Blocking" the Gimbal...
can you try another video with "The Max Weight Rig" on the Crane 2s.. Please...
Hi there - sounds like it would be great for you to do that! I don't think another Crane 2s video would be in the cards for us - but if you do those tests, I'd love to hear about it.
So, did they come up with a better way to use the Crane 3S with an Easyrig?
Thank you for making this video!
Hi there! Thanks for the comment. I'm not aware of any other updates, I'm afraid.
@@vistek Thank you!
That was awesome
Thanks Jon!
i want to see you use the mimic option on a jib crane or dolly because now people dont have to buy motorized jib cranes or dollys to rotate the camera
I think it would work well in an indie context, but for large budget commercials or films, going with remote heads or even just a Ronin R2 with the Master Wheels is still the way to go. Beyond payload, there is also response times, motor strength, etc. But, short answer - yes, for indie it's a great tool!
Please show how to install the program I only can go to setup some time to setup 2
thank you, and subbed!
Thanks for the sub!
@@vistek wel deserved!!
Also. Does that monopod work
For a
Crane 3s? The specs on the website specifically say crane 2s or crane 3 lab.
I’m a little worried haha
If it has a 1/4 20 or 3/8 16 insert on the bottom then yes it will work.
Great tutorial 💯thanks🙏🏼
Does anyone here have any xp with the cheaper brand of easyrig - "Flycam" ? is it just as good - or good enough for the money compared?
What are the chances you give us a complete list of items in your "Gack jewellery case/bag". Love your videos man, thanks.
Thanks Ryno! Oh man, it's really a hodge podge of things. Mostly just little nuts/bolts/etc for various camera rigs. A good idea is to start with a small set of Small Rig parts (1/4 20, 3/8 16). Add adaptors, couplers, velcro, sash, bongo ties, batteries (AA & AAA), hex bolts, hex wrenches, other multi tools/swiss army, etc. The rest is really up to you and what you think you'd need for your personal work. ✌🏻
@@vistek thanks a lot man. Appreciate it, keep up the good work. Busy preparing for a shoot in Antarctica and a something like this will definitely come in handy.
Great video, I am building a heavy rig on paper but before I buy I am wondering how to pull focus & not break my back. I wanted to use RS2 with dual handles but don’t think it can handle the weight. Crane s3 might be my only option as a solo operator
Thank god the thanos pro II just came out 😁
Where do you get the collar from? how makes?
The attachment of entire Gimbal with camera and the monopod is just on a screw. Is it safe that way? I'm thinking of building it but that 1 screw attachment is sacry part. Please help.
yes, the 3/8 16 isn't really loaded in any severe way. I see no issues with it.
Love your work man keep it up!
Thank you Guillaume!
Remote controlling the 3s with an iPhone on sticks/head - is there a way to do a 360 barrel roll, and how?
I think there is a setting the controls roll. It ought assign it to pan axis. Can’t quite remember. Maybe someone else knows or it would just be trial and error.
I purchased the Steadcam Steadimate-S and it is not compatible with the newer Crane 2s, the shims are not large enough to fit around the collar of the gimbal, it’s a shame because I’ll be shipping it back.
Yo alright what is that fluid head tripod set up? What pieces are you using because I definitely want to build something like that
I'm just using a cell phone holder and an articulating arm for the follow focus unit. Easy peasy.
Re: the steadicam I see you have the Steadimate 15, don't you think that rig is way heavier than 15 lbs?
Hi David, I believe I addressed this in the video.
Great video! I've actually been thinking of doing the same thing with a monopod I have lying around! Have you noticed any slippage from the bike tire/gaff tape? I've been trying to find a solution to mount the Steadimate-S to the smaller monopod without slipping under the weight of my rig.
Thanks Chris! I've had zero problems with bike tire tubing. It's mega secure as long as you do a good job.
@@vistek hey would you happen to have a link to the bike tire tubes you’ve been using? I have the aero 30 and cannot get the yoke to stay!! Please HELP
Great video. On the issue of weight management I use the SmallRing Gimbal ring, the Easyrig Easy Tilt and the Easyrig Minimax. Both the Crane 2S and Crane 3S work with this set-up. The camera weight however creates an issue in using the Crane 3S as the Minimax has a weight limit of 15.4 lbs. Using the Sony A7SIII cameras is great on either gimbal.
My issue is getting my Blackmagic 6K cameras to work. I can get them to balance all day long but once I turn on the gimbal it all goes bad. I am actually at a loss as to how to proceed next.
Hi JA. That is a bit strange, but not surprising. Based on my experience I would try the following: 1. Adjust motor strength. 2. Take the camera off the gimbal and try to isolate where the balance point is. Usually I do this but just resting it on my finger for a half second. If the balance point indicates that one side of the camera is way lighter than the other, you might want to find a way to compensate for that with counter weights. Once the gimbal thinks it's one evenly weighted camera, I suspect it will start to work better. That's my best guess though.
Wondered, can you link the Crane 3s to the tilta float system?
THIS is crazy! I own the S1H and the EVA1 as well - and I have been thinking about the C3s Pro Kit for months. Now that I'm serious about it - you have this video out. THANK YOU! I saw on their site that you can pull focus via their application and I wonder what you think about the reliability and latency of their wireless transmission to the app as well as the actual focus pulling function in the application with the sliders. I prefer my DJI Focus over that but nice to have in a pinch or as a back up. Any way to power the DJI Focus with the C3s? I saw the added battery with a D-tap - but will that limit my movement i think. I just ordered it so I'll do some testing. Also curious about the undersling mode. I saw there was a jitter issue months ago. Is that pretty much gone now?
Hi Bradley! Thanks for the great comment. I can't speak to the jitter issue specifically. I mean, i've experienced that on every gimbal I've ever used. Typically it happens when it's within its weight range but can't be balanced well for whatever reason. I can't speak to operating DJI focus with the Zhiyun products. I never tried it. Maybe it works, or maybe they have some type of digital block on it to prevent you from doing that. I also can't imagine pulling focus with an app is very accurate - but IDK, I never tried. Likely works ok with wide lenses at f4 and up - but I wouldn't trust it on a 35mm and longer. Seems problematic. Finally I didn't notice any latency issues at all. Not to say there aren't any, but I just haven't noticed it. Best of luck with the new rig!
what is that take app?
Finally
Nice video subscribed
Thanks Patrick!
Great Video. Question. I just got the Crane 3s. Is yours silent? cause mine makes a subtle noise... sounds almost like an old mechanical hard drive loading. It's inside towards the pan motor. Also, is it normal to have very fine subtle vibrations? Like, when I put my hand on the roll arm, I can feel a slight hum kind of vibration in my fingertips.
mmmm...it'll maybe make a bit of sound but nothing that I ever really noticed. It shouldn't give you micro tremors. If it's doing that, your motor power should probably be adjusted. Though even with a perfect set up, sometimes you'll still get an odd tremor here or there but it's never consistent and usually if it's held in one specific way and the gimbal is a bit overloaded. That's just my experience, however.
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Great video! My wife and I are paranormal investigators. I have a Sony AX100 and I'm trying to determine which Gimbal is best suitable for my camera. I would also be adding ir lights and the transmitter to our lava mics. Which Gimbal would you recommend for this type of setup? Do you think I'd need to add anything extra to support the accessories?
Hi Brian. The Weebill 2 is a great choice. You can see a recent review on our YT page.
@@vistek thanks!
Where did you buy the jewelry case from? I've been looking for something to fit all my random bits in and that's perfect.
Hi Zeke. I got it on Amazon. Just search travel jewellery case. There's a million of them.
How can I use the Nucleus on that Gimble?
Hi great video what Ronin R2 collar and counter weights are you using please, do you have a link ?
Hi Roger. All equipment used is linked in the comment section. The collar is part of the Stedicam rig. Weights are SmallRig.
your Steadimate - crane 3s rig looks impressive, however the footage looks incredibly shaky ( at 34:08 for example ). Did you manage to find a solution? Could it be because you are overloading the A-15 arm and holding weight with your hands? Also it appears sometimes you operate with the camera on the wrong side, steadicam arm folded in an unorthodox way :-D ( 34:08 ) - great rigging though!
Hi Michele. Yes all of the above. Also, in many ways adding a gimbal to a steadicam rig is worse because you’re now adding at other axis factors. All this to say, the rig needs a lot of refinement and practice. This was simply a fast set up for a visual example. And yes, it was all very overloaded.
@@vistek Thank you for your reply and sorry for the lengthy questions. I am about to try the same setup with the A-30 and I wanted to be sure. All the best
7 months on, what are your thoughts on this set up, has it been working reliably well with heavier payloads? Thinking of building one out
Hi Aristo, if you have the 30lb arm/vest it all works great. But as I said in the video, it's not something you're going to master right away. It might take you a year to get it working in a consistent way. There are a lot of variables to control.
Hey Dale! Can let me know how you connected that focus motor 2.0? Thanks!!
Hi DC. The focus motors are all plugged into the USB ports on the gimbals.
You know that you can move down the roll motor on the crane 2s, right? the câmera would fit better…
T-Baine it. lol
thats not a Screw driver id ever use Try IFIX IT
duct tape