Rayce's whole argumemt for Luka being at 9 is his lack of playoff success. Then he puts a guy who literally hasn't played a single playoff game ahead of him.
Lol, so Luka is at 9 because they didn't make the playoffs because the team around him is bad? What a ridiculous take. He admitted he's a Luka hater, though so buckets of salt there.
Your take on Luka and Dame are contradicting (you put dame at 11 and Luka 9) you said that you put dame for his stats and you did not mention the team success while luka has a great stats.
The reason murray goes off in the post season is actually 2 reasons, 1 his ability to create for hinself in the half court and 2 jokics playmaking ability in the halfcourt. Since the post season is a more half court centric game hes given the ball more during in to create his own shots and he has his shot created more for him by the teams best player.
I have watched every video you guys have posted, comment on all of dem, respect your takes. Luke at 9 is such an L take, it makes the whole list contradicting.
@@dilwitchspahlin4761 he is 4th. best scorer, playmaker and passer in the league (embiid drops scoring wise, luka second regular season and playoffs ppg)
Any list that have AD and Booker under Lebron and KD is trash list. Any list that has Embiid in top 5 is a bad list. Any list with Luka barely making top 10 should not be taken seriously, especially saying Luka should be making the playoffs, which he was until Dallas traded for Kyrie, and then putting Shai ahead of him lmao, while telling people the list is a projection for next season and not the previous season.
Wemby on the list but not Jaylen is crazy fr, meat riding wemby off the preseason is wild, no rookie has ever been top 25 in the league, and wemby is sure as hell not better than Jaylen or tyrese, or a few others, wemby MAYBE cracks top 50
@@karlliebknecht2987nah it’s definitely a case wembys first season has been historic if he ain’t better then Jaylen brown and Kyrie right now he will be pretty soon tbh
1. Booker higher then 12-15 is INSANE and 2. I still think Giannis will have a better season than Jokic just cuz he’ll be so much more open thanks to Dame but between him and Jokic it is a tight race
Rayce, I’m telling you as a follower of the Suns, no way KD is the #1 option over Book. Ultimately when it comes to those big 3 I don’t think there will be a #1 guy, they’ll all be sharing the ball and making plays for each other unselfishly, but Book is undoubtedly seen as that #1 guy within the organization. Bradly Beal said it himself,”this is Book nation.”
Luka- lead his team to the conference finals at age 23 but gets ranked 9th for lack of playoff success because he had one bad season of terrible roster construction, injury, and 2 months of Kyrie Shai- never sniffed the playoffs despite being older than Luka, gets ranked 8th Make it make sense.
It was a pity mvp. Look throughout history the league will not give the same guy mvp every year and embiid was crying the last 2 years and finally got it
A few months later and the list is pretty solid Side note: I’m a new subscriber and I’m a die hard warriors fan and I can withstand the hate because the videos are so awesome and funny Keep doing your things guys I got notifications on!
Bens list is so so so much more reasonable and intelligent than Rayce’s list. Rayce’s take on Durant and Booker is so horribly uninformed. It makes me think you have no idea about the suns and didn’t watch them play at all last year, especially in the playoffs.
@@coolnes950 call me when bridges puts up a 30 pt triple double literally ever, Jamal did IN THE FINALS. Bow the fuck down peasent. Cope harder that whatever team you root for would easily get swept by the nuggets. Doesn't even matter which one it is.
Shai has been in the playoffs before with CP3 in the bubble, OKC made a surprise run when everyone said they would be lotto winners that year. I think you make a good argument on why he’s overrated, but, it’s important to have the facts straight
@@rafaelpeinado8544yup 2019 and 2020 , 2 diff teams but i think they mean as “ the man” which he wasnt in either of those series , they should have made it clear , im sure they didnt remember
If Giannis somehow learned how to shoot, you could argue that we have the 2 most highly skilled top guys ever. If Giannis learned to shoot, then two guys with no weaknesses would be insane to guard, like imagine playing the bucks, having to guard Giannis, then 2 days later you have to go to Denver and guard jokic
I'm a Spurs fan and even I'm not that high on Wemby. I think you both put PG a little too low and Rayce put Fox WAY too high, as did Ben for Murray. I also think Bridges is just a little too high, great player but maybe 2 or 3 spots high. I initially thought Spida at 19 was too low but then you pointed out how bad he was in the playoffs so it's fair to put him at 19. Again, I'm a Spurs fan, I hate what Kawhi did to our organization and franchise. But with that being said, how can you look me in the eye and tell me that 15 players in the NBA are better than him? He is 14 at the very worst and I think he's a borderline top 10 player. You used Kawhi's lack of health against him but didn't for Zion? He's even more injury prone than Kawhi. I disagree with Ant at 14 because IMO, there are 14 players clearly better than the rest (Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, Steph, Luka, Tatum, KD, Jimmy, LeBron, Book, Dame, Shai, AD and Kawhi), but Ant is just outside there and I'd probably have him at 15. After last year's playoff run, 10 might honestly be too low for Jimmy. He averaged 36 PPG vs the Bucks and dragged a team of undrafted players all the way to the finals. Luka at 9 has to be one of the worst basketball takes I have ever seen, the guy just averaged 32-9-8 a game! Sure, he missed the playoffs, but that wasn't his fault at all. How are you going to put the reigning MVP at 7? He just averaged 33 PPG in the regular season, he's not the best player in the world because of his lack of postseason performance but at least give him enough respect to have him in the top 5. LeBron in the top 5? I don't completely hate it but that's a big stretch, are you going to tell me that old man LeBron James is still in the same tier as players like Luka and Steph? Nevermind, I just found the new worst take ever, Booker in the top 5! He had one good playoffs vs the Nuggets (which was incredibly impressive), and now he's top 5? Chances are, he will never replicate that production again because it was very streaky and lucky. If he does it again then I will be comfortable calling him top 5. Also, where is Lauri, Jalen Brown, Jalen Brunson, Demar DeRozan or Sabonis? I know you can't fit them all on the list, but Wemby being up there while these guys aren't is just criminal.
Luka at 9 is fair. Dude's usage rate is too high and his defense is catastrophic. He's Rockets Harden all over again, that playstyle doesnt win you playoff games.
@@skol1004 Honestly, if Luka wins a ring with an offensive strategy that consists of stepback 3s, foul hunting disguised as layups, and running a 5 out screen and roll every time, I think I'm just done with the NBA entirely
My top 17 is 1 Embiid 2 Giannis 3 jokic 4 Steph 5 Durant 6 Tatum 7 Luka 8 Dame 9 Booker 10 Trae 11 Shai 12 Donovan 13 Já 14 Zion 15 Ant 16 Fox 17 Bridges
AGREE! The Sixers will never win with him as their main 1st option. For anyone who think I am exaggerating, it's not just based on his previous 2 seasons playoffs failure, even going back to 2019 when they lost to the Raptors, Embiid was so bad in the playoffs if he was a little better they beat the Raptors and potentially win the NBA championship. He statpad against bad teams in the regular seasons.
I don’t get how you call shai the most overrated player in the league but have no issue putting a guy who hasn’t played a single regular season game in the top 25 🤷🏾♂️
Ben, you have Ant at 16 and ESPN has him at 13 and that’s way too high? You only added 3 more players that you think are better and the ESPN ranking is WAY too high? You do realize how small the number 3 is right? Comes right after 1 and 2.
Rayce's whole argumemt for Luka being at 9 is his lack of playoff success. Then he puts a guy who literally hasn't played a single playoff game ahead of him.
unreal lmao
👀💀👀💀👀🧢 😂
Lol, so Luka is at 9 because they didn't make the playoffs because the team around him is bad? What a ridiculous take. He admitted he's a Luka hater, though so buckets of salt there.
@@bandjolyn facts
Who hasn’t played a single playoff game? Shai has been to the playoffs twice
the fact that wemby is up ther and guys like jaylen brown kyris tyrese haliburton are not is wild
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Honestly with his historic progress in under 30 mins their right def top 25 or 30 before season ends
Luka at 9 was so surprising lmao.
Luka at 9 is insane
Edit: Devin booker at 5 is more insane
his point that top 10 player should be making the playoffs and then putting shai ahead of him is insanity
Lol I saw this comment 5 seconds into the video. Thanks for telling me I don't need to watch
@@kizitokatende412luka ain’t top 5 😂😂😂😂😂 you must be …..
@@kizitokatende412 no cap I fw synthetic but they are absolutely on a bean for this one
Imo Luka is overrated. He’s not bad but everyone has him top 3. Like, no.
I love these two guys, the chem y'all have is too genuine; videos are great so refreshing within the NBA RUclips community
So much better than the shitty robot voice videos. Have loved watching these guys.
Your take on Luka and Dame are contradicting (you put dame at 11 and Luka 9) you said that you put dame for his stats and you did not mention the team success while luka has a great stats.
I know your takes on Dame is all about his positivity however on Luka.... damnnn
He's a blazer fan so I don't blame him
@@drodrig1 that’s called being biased
@@skywalker2759 everyone's biased
@@drodrig1 proof please
Shai over Luka is criminal
Luka at 9 is crazy
The reason murray goes off in the post season is actually 2 reasons, 1 his ability to create for hinself in the half court and 2 jokics playmaking ability in the halfcourt.
Since the post season is a more half court centric game hes given the ball more during in to create his own shots and he has his shot created more for him by the teams best player.
bridges over jaylen brown is wild
exactlyy all because of stats and role but if they switch teams, Boston gets worse and Brooklyn gets a little better
It won’t be long before you guys have hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Love the content. Great video!
Am I the only person that believes espn makes their rankings atrocious so people talk about them
Btw I love you guys's channel it's legit one of few hoop channels I sub to that I get actually hyped for every time y'all upload
Most entertaining basketball commentary on youtube. You guys have great chemistry and the pace of the videos are perfect.
I have watched every video you guys have posted, comment on all of dem, respect your takes.
Luke at 9 is such an L take, it makes the whole list contradicting.
I'm pretty sure you mean _"contradictory"?_
@@donnydogpiss4533 yep, good lookin out
Wemby on the list is wild too, respect wemby but no shot he us better than Jaylen, Tyrese, KAT, etc
Putting luka @ 9 really questions a lot of things about y’all
Luke ain’t top 5 or top 3 🤷♂️
@@dilwitchspahlin4761 boy certainly he ain’t 9🤣
Oh yeah, 9 is crazy, it’s just a lot of people tend to overrate Luka compared to other players
@@dilwitchspahlin4761 he is 4th. best scorer, playmaker and passer in the league (embiid drops scoring wise, luka second regular season and playoffs ppg)
9 is crazy but bro does not play defense.
Any list that have AD and Booker under Lebron and KD is trash list. Any list that has Embiid in top 5 is a bad list. Any list with Luka barely making top 10 should not be taken seriously, especially saying Luka should be making the playoffs, which he was until Dallas traded for Kyrie, and then putting Shai ahead of him lmao, while telling people the list is a projection for next season and not the previous season.
And putting Wenby in the top 20 before he has played a single game shouldn’t be taken seriously
@@jamesbuscarini I forgot about that part, but yeah Victor shouldn't be over guys like Kyrie before he played a single game in the NBA.
Love the channel! Love you guys! Keeping my eyes open for some Houston Rockets content from y'all, lol!
Lost me when you put Luka at 9, that's just straight up wrong on so many levels
No mention of Jaylen Brown is quite shocking to say the least 😅
He is anywhere from 20-30 to me
no kyrie wither
Wemby on the list but not Jaylen is crazy fr, meat riding wemby off the preseason is wild, no rookie has ever been top 25 in the league, and wemby is sure as hell not better than Jaylen or tyrese, or a few others, wemby MAYBE cracks top 50
@@karlliebknecht2987 no rookie has ever been top 25 what about LeBron? Or Yao ming? Not saying they were but they have a case I think
@@karlliebknecht2987nah it’s definitely a case wembys first season has been historic if he ain’t better then Jaylen brown and Kyrie right now he will be pretty soon tbh
1. Booker higher then 12-15 is INSANE and 2. I still think Giannis will have a better season than Jokic just cuz he’ll be so much more open thanks to Dame but between him and Jokic it is a tight race
Kyrie disrespect is absolutely wild
was just gonna say
Wemby and Bridges over Jaylen Brown is maddening guys🤯
Great video, I'm a casual fan that just got into this last year so its nice to hear opinions on some players that I don't see get talked about much
Welcome to the wonderful world of basketball!
Rayce, I’m telling you as a follower of the Suns, no way KD is the #1 option over Book. Ultimately when it comes to those big 3 I don’t think there will be a #1 guy, they’ll all be sharing the ball and making plays for each other unselfishly, but Book is undoubtedly seen as that #1 guy within the organization. Bradly Beal said it himself,”this is Book nation.”
Same with like when KD came to Golden state, while he was the best player on the team, it’s still Steph’s team.
@@donaldmacisaac8479 Exactly
I mean it’s book team but Kd is the best player clearly
Synthetic Sports with another upload lets goooooooooo!
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Luka- lead his team to the conference finals at age 23 but gets ranked 9th for lack of playoff success because he had one bad season of terrible roster construction, injury, and 2 months of Kyrie
Shai- never sniffed the playoffs despite being older than Luka, gets ranked 8th
Make it make sense.
I get the dislike around Embiid, but a perennial MVP candidate not top 5 is crazy, even with the playoffs.
he didn’t deserve it jokic did
It was a pity mvp. Look throughout history the league will not give the same guy mvp every year and embiid was crying the last 2 years and finally got it
@@mattsell2361 regardless he's been a top mvp candidate for like 4 years now
@@mattsell2361 100%, but in the regular season hes still at least the third or second best player in the world.
This dude Rayce really starting to prove how much of a casual he is. Luka at 9? Just tell us you don't watch hoops it would be easier
“Luka is at 9 cuz he didn’t make the playoffs”
*puts shai at 8*
A few months later and the list is pretty solid
Side note: I’m a new subscriber and I’m a die hard warriors fan and I can withstand the hate because the videos are so awesome and funny
Keep doing your things guys I got notifications on!
this list could not possibly be worse and still realistic at this point
Sup Synthetic Sports, Here to inform you that SGA has been in the playoffs, Twice actually. Rookie year on the clips and the bubble year
You guys' title background music reminds me very much of Beast in Black's "From Hell With Love"
Trae will easily be top 25 not even a question
Zion looking like that black comedian guy from Hot Tub Time Machine in that pic y'all showed! 😂😂😂
Watching this now is funny lol.
The Siakam disrespect is crazy
Fox, Wemby and Bam over Pascal?
Yeah.
This channel is so goated
OKC wins 2 more games over the Mavs and that makes Shai ranked higher than Luka💀 even projecting you say shai is higher due to team ranking like wtf
Love the Pat Bev "Look" cameo in the Luka portion
AD’s spot is wild
Hey kings, love your videos. Can we get a pacers video pls
How were jaylen brown and Bradley Beal not on this list
Bens list is so so so much more reasonable and intelligent than Rayce’s list. Rayce’s take on Durant and Booker is so horribly uninformed. It makes me think you have no idea about the suns and didn’t watch them play at all last year, especially in the playoffs.
D Book being top 10 (let alone top 5) is wild….*25 seconds later* KD should not be better than Lebron or top 5
wemby is crazy he hasn’t played a real game yet
Bridges over Jamal Murray is CRAZY.
Jamal Murray a bonafide sidekick 😂 calm down casual
@@coolnes950 call me when bridges puts up a 30 pt triple double literally ever, Jamal did IN THE FINALS. Bow the fuck down peasent. Cope harder that whatever team you root for would easily get swept by the nuggets. Doesn't even matter which one it is.
This list is abysmal 😅 Espn mighta got one over on yall. Good vid
Shai has been in the playoffs before with CP3 in the bubble, OKC made a surprise run when everyone said they would be lotto winners that year. I think you make a good argument on why he’s overrated, but, it’s important to have the facts straight
Lmaooooo faxxxx AND with the Clippers vs the Warriors in 2019...when KD infamously said..."I'm KD, yall know who I am"..
@@rafaelpeinado8544yup 2019 and 2020 , 2 diff teams but i think they mean as “ the man” which he wasnt in either of those series , they should have made it clear , im sure they didnt remember
@@moneyman4740yeah that’s like saying Kobe made the playoffs in 1997 and 1998 😂😂😂
If Giannis somehow learned how to shoot, you could argue that we have the 2 most highly skilled top guys ever. If Giannis learned to shoot, then two guys with no weaknesses would be insane to guard, like imagine playing the bucks, having to guard Giannis, then 2 days later you have to go to Denver and guard jokic
please let it go y’all giannis meat eaters been saying the same thing for about 5-6 years he can’t shoot for shit and is a liability outside the paint
Embiid is too low even with his fraud MVP award. Dude disappears when it matters the most
Rayce, wow what a Luka hater....i thought this list was based on players and not teams. What about after the opener? Gone up in your list?
I'm a Spurs fan and even I'm not that high on Wemby. I think you both put PG a little too low and Rayce put Fox WAY too high, as did Ben for Murray. I also think Bridges is just a little too high, great player but maybe 2 or 3 spots high. I initially thought Spida at 19 was too low but then you pointed out how bad he was in the playoffs so it's fair to put him at 19. Again, I'm a Spurs fan, I hate what Kawhi did to our organization and franchise. But with that being said, how can you look me in the eye and tell me that 15 players in the NBA are better than him? He is 14 at the very worst and I think he's a borderline top 10 player. You used Kawhi's lack of health against him but didn't for Zion? He's even more injury prone than Kawhi. I disagree with Ant at 14 because IMO, there are 14 players clearly better than the rest (Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, Steph, Luka, Tatum, KD, Jimmy, LeBron, Book, Dame, Shai, AD and Kawhi), but Ant is just outside there and I'd probably have him at 15. After last year's playoff run, 10 might honestly be too low for Jimmy. He averaged 36 PPG vs the Bucks and dragged a team of undrafted players all the way to the finals. Luka at 9 has to be one of the worst basketball takes I have ever seen, the guy just averaged 32-9-8 a game! Sure, he missed the playoffs, but that wasn't his fault at all. How are you going to put the reigning MVP at 7? He just averaged 33 PPG in the regular season, he's not the best player in the world because of his lack of postseason performance but at least give him enough respect to have him in the top 5. LeBron in the top 5? I don't completely hate it but that's a big stretch, are you going to tell me that old man LeBron James is still in the same tier as players like Luka and Steph? Nevermind, I just found the new worst take ever, Booker in the top 5! He had one good playoffs vs the Nuggets (which was incredibly impressive), and now he's top 5? Chances are, he will never replicate that production again because it was very streaky and lucky. If he does it again then I will be comfortable calling him top 5. Also, where is Lauri, Jalen Brown, Jalen Brunson, Demar DeRozan or Sabonis? I know you can't fit them all on the list, but Wemby being up there while these guys aren't is just criminal.
wemby that high is wild
Look me in the eyes and tell me Shai is better than Luka lmaooooo
While I disagree with a lot of the stuff on those lists I gotta respect putting your honest opinions out there even if they are controversial
i had to rewind a bit when you put luka at 9. that was crazy. that whole idea why he is 9 is just a casual take
AD above kawhi is craaaazy
Luka at 9 is fair. Dude's usage rate is too high and his defense is catastrophic. He's Rockets Harden all over again, that playstyle doesnt win you playoff games.
Yet his numbers go up in the playoffs and he actually won more than Harden with less.
That take aged like milk
@@skol1004 Honestly, if Luka wins a ring with an offensive strategy that consists of stepback 3s, foul hunting disguised as layups, and running a 5 out screen and roll every time, I think I'm just done with the NBA entirely
That luka take by Rayce age a little bit poorly just a little bit
Kawhi at 16 is CRAZY😂
Harden being absent is crazy
Kyire slander crazy 😭
Bro its ridiculous
No Jaylen Brown or Jaylen Brunson on the 25? Come on, Wemby, Zion and Chet are not yet playoff proven.
That’s a great point but those guys you named aren’t top 25 players lol maybe brown
My top 17 is
1 Embiid
2 Giannis
3 jokic
4 Steph
5 Durant
6 Tatum
7 Luka
8 Dame
9 Booker
10 Trae
11 Shai
12 Donovan
13 Já
14 Zion
15 Ant
16 Fox
17 Bridges
Fox at 24 is absolutely insane bruh😭
Putting Rookies in a Top 25 list before they even play a game 😂😂
I feel like Giannis is gonna be on a mission this year… just feels like it
Felt your pain as you said number 3😂😂
“I’m a big Luka hater” already biased. Dumb take and video.
i defend lebron more than any bron sexual out there but 5? even i cant put him that high
They trash ESPN's list only to make a trash list themselves lol.
Rayce says he was never high on Ja, but he said he would be the next face of the league. Wtf happened to Ja?
Also, not having Kyrie Irving on this list at all is pretty surprising.
Thank you for your honesty with Steph. Put some respect on my boi!
All the Tatum hate us gonna stop after this year just watch
The hate on SGA is insane
book meatriding is crazy
“Ngl Jokic shouldn’t be 1
He’s white”
Kendrick Perkins
Big Perk
book at 5 is genuinely an incoherent take
I don’t like the grizzlies but I think they’re def making the playoffs
If morant ain't here I'm finna riot
How is Lebron somehow getting ranked No. 5? Dude is injured 20+ games a year for 3 years in a row now and is top 10 caliber in the playoffs.
I will never stop saying this, but Embiid is overrated asF to me.
AGREE! The Sixers will never win with him as their main 1st option. For anyone who think I am exaggerating, it's not just based on his previous 2 seasons playoffs failure, even going back to 2019 when they lost to the Raptors, Embiid was so bad in the playoffs if he was a little better they beat the Raptors and potentially win the NBA championship.
He statpad against bad teams in the regular seasons.
shai has been in the playoffs twice. in 2019 with the clippers vs the warriors and then the bubble vs the harden-westbrook rockets.
Luka at 9 😭
Why tf is wemby on this list?
🤦🏽♂️
25-21 consistenly good but no play-off success recently
20 - 16 okay..
15 -10 if healthy
then shai over Luka and Dame is weird.
W bridges representation
Love your channel
No analysis, just vibes lmaoo
Imo Booker as a best player on his team with all due respect to KD is not even a hot take right now
U all better stop disrespecting jimmy man he’s top 5 player on the league
I don’t get how you call shai the most overrated player in the league but have no issue putting a guy who hasn’t played a single regular season game in the top 25 🤷🏾♂️
Putting Luka at 9 in crazy
How did you not put Kyrie up here. Like WHAT???
Ben, you have Ant at 16 and ESPN has him at 13 and that’s way too high? You only added 3 more players that you think are better and the ESPN ranking is WAY too high? You do realize how small the number 3 is right? Comes right after 1 and 2.
That luka at number 9 is going to look insanely stupid. Even then it was insanely stupid to say that now
Dame and book are top 10 over jimmy and lebron
My top 10 would be
Giannis
Joker
Curry
Booker
Tatum
Luka
Bron
Embiid
AD
KD