They make great prime movers for generator applications as well, 100% load, all day every day and the sound is so sweet as the turbo lifts off the gear train as they're loaded up.
EMD has been experimenting with 4 cycle for years, mostly to meet the ramping up of EPA Tier I to Tier IV emissions standards, not for performance issues.
About emissions, the EMD locomotive cannot be sold new in Europe after December 31st as they will not meet NRMM (Non Road Moving Machinary) Stage 3b regs as a two stroke diesel makes more NOx due to a higher exhaust temperature. To comply with Stage 3a, they had to fit extra cooling systems for this reason. A shame really as they have totally transformed railway freight over here in the UK
@@Cnw8701 they actually still can produce a small number of 710 powered units here in the US each year due to emissions credits program. NS has from what I remember been picking up most of these credit units.
It's a great engine, but you needed to keep spare turbos stacked up like cord wood. That, and a 20-645-E4 could burn 30-40 gallons of lube oil a day in prime power service.
EMD incorrectly estimated the time and cost of converting the 710G to meet the higher emissions tiers, and thought the only way of achieving that result was to develop the 265H. In actuality, it proved to be easier to adapt the 710G to those emissions tiers than it did the 265H. One consequence was thousands of 710Gs produced to very few 265Hs.
Caterpillar and EMD not mix General Motors are a Caterpillar competence but at GMC built to own Terex- Euclid equipment other GMC not bought a caterpillar engines for GM trucks and Euclid equipment in the pass
I certainly miss theold 645E3 series. Sweet sounding series. One thing, is it true that EMD shut down the Canadian plant and relocated it to South America? I'm hoping that at least one plant remains in either the U.S or Canada.
too bad Caterpillar bought this company. Its quite probably they made that just to take em away from the market, which is an strategy vastly made by Caterpillar in the past.
enterBJ40 - Well said. My exact sentiments that I wrote to 'rear speaker' in my comment (above) to him before I even saw your comment. The only open question I have is, "Who is really 'the bad guy'?" Old GM was not exactly saintly either and made some really bad business decisions which led to the eventual bankruptcy.
What's funny about this video is it states the 710 can be use to meet the US EPA T-4 for emissions, well why is it GE has two or more pre-production Diesel engines in the railroad industry that can meet T-4 but EMD/CAT hasn't got pass T-3.5 as of June 2014? I love EMD/CAT and GE both, but I hate to see EMD/CAT lose the business in railroads, Someone please help them out please!
@@rearspeaker6364 - Thanks for your wishes, but 'something that no longer exists' is something no one could ever again be part of. *smile* The combination on 3 letters (EMD) will now or ever again stand for what it once did (and doesn't even phoenetically). "EMD/CAT" can never be a seriously big player in the railroad industry. Your plea vs. GE is valid, but what once was, is long gone in spirit as well as product. RIP EMD/CAT Even prior to "Old GM" divesting itself from "Old EMD", there were overtures from CAT wanting the engine technology that we developed. They also aspired to see "the CAT engine" on the road in "Old EMD" locomotives, neither of which happened.
To reduce emissions and broaden the customer market. By the time the 4 stroke was widely available it was already a stiff competition with GE and other manufacturers, so it never took off. So the 2 stroke remains to this day more versatile and responsive than almost all 4 strokes of similar power.
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Best diesel engine ever built.
They make great prime movers for generator applications as well, 100% load, all day every day and the sound is so sweet as the turbo lifts off the gear train as they're loaded up.
EMD's rock.
EMD has been experimenting with 4 cycle for years, mostly to meet the ramping up of EPA Tier I to Tier IV emissions standards, not for performance issues.
EMD - the name says it all
Cool clutched turbo system ! ROCK ON EMD !
shame the EPA has to get involved at every turn in the road, nice relatively simple two stroke, run all day and night.
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they are still used in the US Navy. i know these engines.
they are used all over the world.
About emissions, the EMD locomotive cannot be sold new in Europe after December 31st as they will not meet NRMM (Non Road Moving Machinary) Stage 3b regs as a two stroke diesel makes more NOx due to a higher exhaust temperature. To comply with Stage 3a, they had to fit extra cooling systems for this reason. A shame really as they have totally transformed railway freight over here in the UK
The same problems for the 710 line have occurred here, too. Luckily, the four-stroke, 12-1010J is the answer to these problems! =)
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@@Cnw8701 they actually still can produce a small number of 710 powered units here in the US each year due to emissions credits program. NS has from what I remember been picking up most of these credit units.
wisconsen power and light, turkey point FL. has them.
sorry if i go on and on.......EMD. i want an EMD at my local nuclear power station as a back up.
It's a great engine, but you needed to keep spare turbos stacked up like cord wood. That, and a 20-645-E4 could burn 30-40 gallons of lube oil a day in prime power service.
a power pack, remove four, yes four nuts and pull it out and repair.
EMD incorrectly estimated the time and cost of converting the 710G to meet the higher emissions tiers, and thought the only way of achieving that result was to develop the 265H.
In actuality, it proved to be easier to adapt the 710G to those emissions tiers than it did the 265H.
One consequence was thousands of 710Gs produced to very few 265Hs.
at 0:35 those are 567's not Winton, but I get the video's narrative is giving history
Nice !
Caterpillar and EMD not mix General Motors are a Caterpillar competence but at GMC built to own Terex- Euclid equipment other GMC not bought a caterpillar engines for GM trucks and Euclid equipment in the pass
No they moved to plant Indiana from Canada .
They were in la grange ill
I certainly miss theold 645E3 series. Sweet sounding series. One thing, is it true that EMD shut down the Canadian plant and relocated it to South America? I'm hoping that at least one plant remains in either the U.S or Canada.
too bad Caterpillar bought this company. Its quite probably they made that just to take em away from the market, which is an strategy vastly made by Caterpillar in the past.
enterBJ40 - Well said. My exact sentiments that I wrote to 'rear speaker' in my comment (above) to him before I even saw your comment. The only open question I have is, "Who is really 'the bad guy'?" Old GM was not exactly saintly either and made some really bad business decisions which led to the eventual bankruptcy.
What's funny about this video is it states the 710 can be use to meet the US EPA T-4 for emissions, well why is it GE has two or more pre-production Diesel engines in the railroad industry that can meet T-4 but EMD/CAT hasn't got pass T-3.5 as of June 2014? I love EMD/CAT and GE both, but I hate to see EMD/CAT lose the business in railroads, Someone please help them out please!
Sorry to say . . there is NO going back to "OLD EMD" (or even General Motors *Corporation*
@@janetelizabeth Rest In Peace, EMD,We will all miss you!!
@@rearspeaker6364 - Thanks for your wishes, but 'something that no longer exists' is something no one could ever again be part of. *smile* The combination on 3 letters (EMD) will now or ever again stand for what it once did (and doesn't even phoenetically). "EMD/CAT" can never be a seriously big player in the railroad industry. Your plea vs. GE is valid, but what once was, is long gone in spirit as well as product. RIP EMD/CAT
Even prior to "Old GM" divesting itself from "Old EMD", there were overtures from CAT wanting the engine technology that we developed. They also aspired to see "the CAT engine" on the road in "Old EMD" locomotives, neither of which happened.
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the 710 is good till tier 3 , now they have a 4 stroke engine which is tier 4
Not the same "THEY" . . . .
IF THIS IS RIGHT WHY DID EMD TRY TO COPY GE AND GO TO 4 CYCLE ?
Better to say "Why DID CATERPILLAR Try , , etc. . . "
To reduce emissions and broaden the customer market. By the time the 4 stroke was widely available it was already a stiff competition with GE and other manufacturers, so it never took off. So the 2 stroke remains to this day more versatile and responsive than almost all 4 strokes of similar power.