Porsche 911/991.1 Apple CarPlay - 6 Month Review
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- In this video I talk about my thoughts on the JoyeAuto Apple CarPlay ‘Hack’ for the Porsche 911 (991.1 with PCM 3.1). After 6 months of using it I’ve come to learn about its strengths and a few weaknesses. I also talk about the 2 things that bite you during the installation that you should be aware of that are easy to avoid. #AppleCarPlay
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I support this video and the mod. Nice work you sexy thing.
Thanks mate!! My carbon fiber PCM surround will be here any day now.
Auto Amateur oh my f#ck.
I’m looking at the AvinUSA system for my E46. It’s interesting because it’s clearly a complete swap and it works with the IBUS on the BMW and integrates car’s sensors completely. On your 996, I’d love to see the new Porsche classic system with CarPlay. It looks very nice. I’m thinking about getting a 997.2 C4. It’s my brother’s and he never drives it. In that case I’d look,at Dynavin I think. Good videos. I sort of agree with Nick on the carbon fiber, though you did a great job installing it.
@@AutoAmateur hey mate, love your videos. Good to see a pom & a kiwi making an RUclips impact in the US (I'm an Aussie, bring it boys!). I've purchased the JoyeAuto unit yet don't have the balls to install myself in my 911.1 TT here in the NYC/CT area. Have any local installer recommendations Nick?
@@AutoAmateur Can you share the exact model from Joyeaut? Was it the WJPO-1? I have 2015 991.1 4S. Many thanks
Super big thank you for this video. Very useful as many others on you channel! (up & running on a 991.1) Congratulations for your job and attitude. Regards from Madrid 😉 Ivan
Thanks for the heads up on the fiber optic, probably would have missed that one.
I actually added the Joye Auto Apple Car play because of you including watching your video for the install. I love this unit. Thanks James!
Cheers Sean!!
Great upgrade - great vid. Cheers James!
Cheers Peter!!
Thanks James for inspiring me to do this. I just finished the install yesterday and it works. I didn't break anything:).
Nice one Danny! Great job!
Thanks James!
I bought & have it installed, experience great, value for money. I’d recommend to everyone
That’s awesome! Thanks!!
Thank you for your energy. I can appreciate the initial stress/ but your point is clean - original deck - still Porsche.
Thanks so much Ray! Cheers!!
A great review James. All the points that you highlighted are the same as what I have found with my system, which is a different make but probably from the same factory. Also, sticker arrived today 👍
Awesome! Cheers Karl!
I just installed this, and one thing to get rid of the phone issue is unpair the phone from PCM - on the phone forget the porsche PCM and in the PCM delete the phone. Now it has to come through the apple car play. I made the Bose mistake, with the fiberoptic audio lines. I put the JoyeAuto unit in the passenger footwell and plugged the fuse in the passenger side of the fuse box.
Your initial video was VERY VERY helpful! still a 2 to 3 hour job. As for Aux vs Bluetooth Aux, you should be going to Aux. Bluetooth Aux is for playing music from your phone to the PCM (without using the JoyeAuto unit).
Admire your effort. Great job
Thank you so much 😀
You’re not supposed to give your review away at 48 secs!
Love the vids. Keep them coming
Hahaha. Totally. Well, give the audience what they want. Right?
I think I’ve watched 90% of your video’s in the last two days.... You have a great on camera personality for sure! I’ve subscribed and am ready for some more!
Keith S this man needs medical attention
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Thanks Keith!! Ignore my friend Nick, he escaped from the lunatic asylum and never got apprehended. 😆🙌
@@AutoAmateur The funny part is ... I just was watching Nick’s channel... LOL. I have sub’d to both! I love the friendly banter between you both. I am in currently in isolation so I can deploy w the military repairing some of their equipment. Nick, as a longtime flight engineer in the 130’s you’re doing the right thing by leaving that air blender behind and going fixed wing! Best wishes to you both and if I can get to RUclips once out of the states, I will be faithful on my comments and likes! Nick... turn a wrench!
Great upgrade. Next upgrade might be a third radiator in the front
James, great update, ironically, I bought this after watching your install video late last year. Just installed it last weekend in my 911 and it’s excellent. I must stop watching your channel as I’ve now bought the Apple CarPlay adaptor and the Soul PP exhaust! Only joking, keep up the great work and as a fellow expat, love the focus! Cheers
HA!! Awesome. Cheers Andy!! FYI - in which case, don't watch my carbon fiber videos. :-)
@@AutoAmateur too late, already bought and installed, including carbon fiber heated multifunction steering wheel!!
To fix the issue regarding calls coming through on iOS go to General - accessibility - touch - call routing - select Bluetooth headset or what ever primary means of connection you prefer
Nice James. I'm going to contact them to see if they have anything for my 997 pcm 2.0
Cheers Veeral!
I just bought a 2016 targa 4 GTS and plan to upgrade the PCM with the CarPlay you provided the video on
Excellent!! Check out my website for discounts and let me know if you need any help!! Congratulations too!
The Aux BT audio works fine it is taking audio directly from your phone and the screen from the carplay device. If you do this you won't get the turn by turn audio or siri over the speakers unfortunately, only music/phonecall audio. It uses the factory car microphone which is much better than the mic that comes with the device.
Using normal Aux you get everything through the carplay device instead of directly from your phone so it all works correctly but the microphone doesn't sound as good and you cant use the diamond button on the steering wheel to skip track.
I just wanted to say thank you for this video. I received and installed mine today and this vid made it sooo easy. Just a few comments for others that have either the BOSE or Burmester systems. There are two orange fiber optic wires that need to be transferred from the original wiring harness to the new harness in order to get any sound. This does not need to be done for the base stereo system apparently. Thanks again!
Cheers Justin! Great to hear!
Bergmann- Can you elaborate on the Bose two orange wires? What you did and how it's done?
I just bought, god bless me on the next week 🤣 thanks man
Good luck! And please get in touch with me if you need any help with the job.
@@AutoAmateurI'll, thank you so much my friend 🤜🤛
Im scared when i see all those cables outside ...!!!
Thanks for your feed back about this stuff really informative.
Cheers.
By the way you hairdresser is looking for you he really missed you bro 😆👍
HA!!! Truth.
Ive had this mod in my 2015 Macan Turbo about a month now, thanks to James fantastic installation video. (Its really not that hard if you are organised and give yourself the time to follow each step and I’m certainly no electrician or mechanic so you CAN do it) Also Joyeauto are very quick to reply on any enquiry or question and while their English isn’t great you will get there! TIPS: James, its the AUX not the BT AUX you need to select. Joyeauto suggested that in Bluetooth on your iPhone you need to “forget” the native PCM connection and this also seemed to fix the issue with video working and no audio and the iPhone defaulting to PCM output rather than CarPlay. With that done now when you start the car it goes straight to CarPlay. The only thing is it can be a bit slow by the time the whole thing connects but I think this is more to do with the fact that we are asking a lot of a PCM that to me was designed in the 1970s!! Only issue I have now is the controls (for phone) on the steering wheel done seem to work every time so I’m working on that and suspect it has something to do with giving the system time to connect properly before use. Anyway thats my 20 cents worth. Love your work James!! David, Syd Australia
Thanks! Appreciate it. Awesome.
A glass screen protector makes the swiping much easier- the touchscreen tech is different, capacitive vs resistive. Resistive screens like on the 3.1 are pressure sensitive, not touch sensitive. Rugged laptop touch screens use resistive as they work with all gloves and water on the screen will not befuddle the input. Downsides are less responsiveness and the display is covered in a thin layer of plastic, which is all the more reason to use a protector.
For the audio. Use AUX. Also forget the OEM PCM unit from your phone’s BT. This should fix it or joyeauto has some problems in their software. We use the same PCB but just have our own software and we don’t have the issues you mentioned.
Shoot me a message if you need help, might be able to help out 😃.
You can use the stereo knob to scroll through the menus to avoid using swipe.
Aha!
FYI: the issue of CarPlay not coming up or connecting occurs periodically on my GMC truck OEM CarPlay. Also some similar Issues with receiving calls and the GMC OnStar. Thanks for video. I’m looking for solutions for my 2016 GT3RS.
My GTI has Android Auto capability, and I have similar issues with calls which may indicate the glitch is more to do with the carplay technology than the box you installed
Great review James! I'd definitely buy this if I trusted myself to be able to successfully install it but I'm an idiot! :-)
Cheers Shahid!!
So my same apple carplay worked great for one day, then nothing. No video or audio. I couldn't get anyone to look at it so after about a week of frustration trying everything I could think of, I had a pioneer unit installed. Problem solved but much more expensive. Glad I went down this road still because I love apple carplay it's awesome.
Ah, sorry to hear that Tom. Glad you got CarPlay eventually though.
Did mine cause of your video, great stuff! Can you show a photo of where you placed your joyeauto box? I feel like my location isn’t great
Hey sorry Cody! I just saw this comment. I actually put my box directly under the steering wheel, on top of the trim that goes directly below it and across the driver's footwell. I can do this because I have my steering wheel column fully extended.
Awesome and very complete review, thanks !! My question has to do with the problem with incoming calls. Rather than use your phone's bluetooth menu, can you not just switch between carplay mode and PCM mode on your head unit using The NAV button? Seems like it might be easier?
Yes, you can do that purely using the head unit but if the PCM unit captures the incoming call but your iPhone thinks your audio is going through CarPlay, you have issues. Just turning off the PCM's Aux Bluetooth menu is enough to fix the problem.
Joyeauto support have just told me how to move the status bar from the left to right side: settings, CarPlay, password 1123 then the option to change to right hand drive is the top line.
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Hi, I had this installed on my 2015 Macan. Was wondering if you lost your AM/FM sound? I also had SiriusXM disabled. I play it through the app. Sound overall is decent. Some apps like iHeart radio stations are not good. I love the map navigation, the outdated Porsche maps were pretty annoying.
Oh dear James, you mentioned “so if I sold the car”. Look out! 🤣
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for SOUND on Carplay always have it on AUX - also, why don't you remove your phone's Bluetooth connection to the PCM to resolve your incoming call 50/50 issue? love your videos btw!
Excellent suggestion!! Didn’t think about that. Perfect. Thanks! 🤩🙌
Hi James, I had this installed on my 2017 Cayenne (PCM4.0). I had the same
Issue as you with the incoming calls but my installer and JoyeAuto support person told me that I need to answer calls using the steering wheel control buttons. This automatically uses the PCM Bluetooth for the call which is actually better quality sound than the CarPlay system. One other issue I still have and can’t figure out is that my front view and 360 parking cameras don’t automatically come on when the car is in drive. I can hear the audible parking sensors but the CarPlay screen does not automatically switch to the parking cameras. Reverse camera works fine with no issues though. Just wondering if you know if this is normal or is there a way to get the front parking cameras to automatically pick up when parking?
Thanks
James, I think you mentioned the PCM and Joyeauto competing for phone calls. I completely unpaired my phone from the PCM. No reason to have both, as far as I can tell. 991.1
That works! You can also turn off the PCM’s Aux Bluetooth connection.
Excellent video, I'm just working through this and it worked first time. The only issue I have is getting the PCM unit back in to the dash, the extra wiring is stopping it going all the way in. Any tips on this?
Thanks Richard. Glad it helped. Yes, it's a tight squeeze back there but with the right 'finagling' it will fit. I believe there are some open spaces below the PCM which can take some of the wiring and try to make sure the black wiring harness (cube like connection) is over to the right hand side of the space.
Thanks for the install video James. I have a backup camera that I am simultaneously installing. Do you know if I need a triggered power for the camera such as the power for the backup light or can the camera be hooked up to a constant that is switched on when the car is powered on?
If you have PDK, then the camera can get its power from the red 12v wire on the JoyeAuto wiring harness inside the cabin. If you have a manual, you need to tap the brake light wire within one of the rear tail lights.
Great Job There! What is your experience with the google maps available on the PCM screen?
Good question! Very good. Google Maps works in a very similar fashion to how Apple Maps works.
Hi James , I'm just waiting on mine to be delivered , I'm not brave enough to take my car apart even though ive taken many lesser car apart lol , so a company here in Orlando are doing this for me as ive used them before on other installs , I sent them your video to help them . can I ask when you switch back to pcm does the mapping then come back up in the right screen on the dash as I believe you said the CarPlay maps waze will not come up.
Hi, James. I'm in Toronto and did install the car play kit in my 2016 cayenne. I'm not sure it's joyeauto kit or not cause I just went to the store and somebody just installed it for me and they hide the box behind the infotainment screen. Since I installed the kit, the aux Bluetooth and jukebox functions were missing, even though I removed the kit and these functions never go back, resulted that I have to replace the whole infotainment system at the dealership. and the kit did stuck every month and I had to go to the store to do the hard reset. Can you check if you are still able to use the jukebox and aux Bluetooth function after you install this kit and does it stuck since you install the kit?
Hi James. Thanks for this post. I really love your posts. I really want to install it on my Panamera. I just heard this Joyeauto brand get too hot while is working. But other brand like Unichip get warm way less. Have you noticed this issue? Thanks Kevin
I have the JoyeAuto unit in my car and it never gets much warmer than the PCM unit itself to the touch, no worries at all. Thanks for your comments and your post!!
Thanks
Has anybody had an issue with people getting a bad echo when they call you? I just had mine installed and the phone doesn’t seem to work very well.
I see there is a GTA Apple Car Play kit that is similar to the JoyAuto. It is more expensive. I wondered if you knew anything about this kit or if you had considered it? Thanks. Jerry
hello James, Thanks to your super video. I installed the carplay and it works very vell, but I don't understand someting.
To have the sound in waze I have to put the PCM3.1 in AUX mode and then I don't have any radio.
Joyeauto tells me it's normal. What do you think about?
bests regards from France.
Gilles
Yes, that’s normal. It’s because any audio coming through the Apple CarPlay apps requires the aux input. You can listen to the PCM radio while you look at the CarPlay screen but you won’t hear any CarPlay audio unless you select the Aux input.
Does anyone know how to move the status bar from the left to the right hand side?
(1) I’m not clear on how to get the unit to connect via Bluetooth. I only get CarPlay to function when connected by USB cable. (2) Also, sometimes I have to go through touching the “+” in each corner and then in the center multiple times to get rid of the blank screen. How do I avoid that?
Your video was a big help and gave me the confidence to install the kit myself.
Thanks!
Hey Jonathan! For the first issue, it's probably the bluetooth set-up within the JoyeAuto settings. When on the CarPlay screen, press the "Porsche" app and it will take you to the JoyeAuto settings menu. From there, go through and make sure that bluetooth is on, the network is visible, and that your phone is paired. If that's all fine, you may need to delete your phone from the JA and reconnect it again. As you pair the phone... select YES for pairing, select YES for auto-syncing your favorite contacts then WAIT until the third and final window pops up on your iPhone's screen which says something like "Use JoyeAuto for Wireless CarPlay?" and of course, press YES. This last option sometimes takes 5 seconds or so to appear, which is why many people click off the menu and think they're done. For the second issue, make sure the little white dip switch in position #1 on the back of the JA box is OFF. This is the touch-screen calibration menu you're seeing with the "+" signs that you need to touch. You only need to go through that once, then flip the dip switch off so it never comes up again. Hope this helps!
@@AutoAmateur Wow, talk about a prompt response. Thank you!!
Very clear instruction ! Do I need to disconnect the battery before the installation ?
No need to disconnect the battery.
@@AutoAmateur thank you James for prompt reply. I’ve ordered the box from your page and can’t wait for the installation.
You’re very welcome! Let me know if you need any help during the installation. You can get me at contact@autoamateur.com
I’m gonna get this, and then fit a 991 carrera around it
Yup!
Thank you for your video it was very informative. Do you have the PCM Bluetooth running at the same time as the JoyAuto Bluetooth?
Yes. Thanks Michael!
Thanks! I have trouble getting the unit to start consistently. Is their a recommended starting sequence? Sometimes both Bluetooth connections don't connect automatically. Also, I get a black screen and have to reboot the PCM when I am on Android Auto.
AutoAmateur, I'm sure your intermittent connection issues are due to having your AUX BT active in the PCM. I see you still have AUX BT active in this video at 9:03, and the reality is that you don't need AUX BT active when you install a system like this, as it is fighting with AUX for the connectivity. I commented on this in your original installation video as one of the issues I had with intermittent connectivity issues. Once I deactivated the AUX BT in my PCM, I never had any connection issues in more than 6 months.
My comment in your original video on AUX BT:
4. If you are using Wireless Carplay, deactivate the PCM AUX BT. This one took me weeks to figure out. Every time I would turn my car on, I intermittently had connections issues that would prevent Apple Carplay to activate or play any sound, and it would require me 4 to 5 minutes (sometimes unpairing and pairing the whole thing again) for it to work. I came to the realization that AUX BT and the Carplay module bluetooth were fighting for which could connect first. If the Carplay module connected first, no issues. If the PCM AUX BT connected first, it created a significant connection issue. Apparently the AUX BT and the AUX share the same channel, and you can use one or the other. To deactivate AUX BT in PCM 3.1 see, ruclips.net/video/TG6tIFoxRzw/видео.html. This video shows how to activate AUX BT, but you can follow steps to deactivate.
I have not experienced issues with incoming/outgoing calls. This PCM function, which is different from AUX BT, needs to be paired through bluetooth. I consulted this specific issue with manufacturer of the device and they provided these setting instructions.
My comment in your original video on PCM bluetooth:
3. I couldn't control the Apple CarPlay module with steering wheel controls, only volume would work, but the phone control buttons were useless. This happened because I unpaired the PCM bluetooth while trying to connect everything, thinking that I didn't need the PCM bluetooth connection, since I was connecting via Apple Carplay module. Leave the PCM bluetooth paired and you will have phone control from your steering wheel. The only control you will lose is with the special configurable button, if you have the button configured to advance or replay a song, which you will not be able to do from steering wheel while using Carplay.
In summary, after I made these adjustments, I had absolutely NO connection issues. The system had worked flawlessly and seamlessly integrated. Hope this helps.
Ah!!! That's mate, appreciate it.
This is it! It works perfect for me
I followed this advice and haven't had any bluetooth issues either. I tend to connect via cable though. I have a Boxster 981S and My only gripes are:
1. I haven't been able to find a fuse which turns off after 15 minutes, so I either let it drain the battery or It cuts out immediately after the ignition is switched off.
2. I wonder if my video cable is not precisely connected enough, because the video on mine looks more grainy and less "crisp" than yours. Might just be that my PCM 3.1 is a bit older?
Thanks to James and everyone in the community helping each other out.
After a while with this solution for CarPlay, I started to do a speaker upgrade on my Bose system. Because I had the crappy Bose speakers in my Macan, I really didn’t notice any significant difference in sound when I connected my phone through this CarPlay module initially as compared to the PCM native connection. Audio was still crappy after I installed the system.
As I started upgrading the speakers (have done all tweeters with the Burmester tweeters, the sub with an an 8” Rockford Fosgate retrofit to the Bose box, the center with the Burmester full range speaker and door midranges with a pair of Audison AP4), I noticed a nice improvement in audio quality, but still there was something missing. That fullness of sound was still not there.
My USB cable was connected through the CarPlay module. Apparently there is either no full passthru of sound or the AUX input, which this thing use as the input, does not render the same quality as the PCM direct USB (iPod) connection.
I changed my USB cable to the iPod input and there it was, the fullness I was missing. Apparently the DAC in this system converts to analog signal and there is a significant audio quality degradation. I also think that this module does not fully take advantage of all speakers (as I move the module fader/balance around, sounds disappears as I fade to the back, and gets a lot lower when I balance right it left). I only noticed this when I upgraded the speakers I have replaced so far.
So, there is a compromised way to continue to use the CarPlay module, but there is a drawback as some functionality is lost. I’m connecting the iPhone through native USB PCM iPod USB port. Then I connect the phone also to CarPlay via wireless Carplay. With this, I’m able to retain audio sound quality (which I’m not willing to compromise) and retain the video side of CarPlay. Unfortunately, some of the sounds from some apps are directed through Carplay, hence although Siri can hear me, I can’t hear her back.... for example. Some map apps also direct turn by turn direction through CarPlay rather than the connected audio. I figured that the only map app that I can select audio output is Google Maps, so this one works well because I set the sound to not go through wireless audio, then it goes through the wired USB connection. But you will not hear turn by turn direction from Waze and Apple Maps as there is no way to do the same.
Since I prefer the increased quality in audio sound, I can accept the limited CarPlay functionality I’m losing...
Hi! Can you please tell me, if the small screen (near tachometer) working properly? Let say can I select whom to call, or see who is calling me?
The small screen in your instrument cluster works just like it does before. The JoyeAuto unit just functions in the Aux menu screen. Your map, call menu, phone status etc stays the same and works just like normal.
Perhaps there is a JoyeAuto firmware update that addresses the issues you found? If so, it would be interesting to see how it's installed.
Aaaaha! Great suggestion. I didn’t think of that! I’ll check it out. Good idea for a follow up video!
Yes , I have the nmautomotive carplay unit which is similar to the joycon and was advised to make sure it was on the latest firmware and that I was on latest iOS version to resolve syncing related issues etc
Is there any difference between the joy auto solution and a similar product from 9xx? The latter is twice the price.
Not really. The JoyeAuto system is awesome. It worked perfectly for the 2 years I owned my 991!
Thanks for this great review. I just ordered a kit, motivated by your video👍🏻. Just a question, which is important to me. Will the genuine pcm navigation still work. I would like to have the pcm functionality kept 100%. Joyeauto confirmed to me that the pcm navigation will not be available after install. You state the same in this vid. But there are also statements telling pcm navigation still works after install. What is fact now? Thanks for your answer.
Yes, all of the PCM functionality remains the same. If you want to use PCM navigation, you just go to that screen and use it like normal and see the map on the PCM and in the instrument cluster. If you want to see Apple Maps, you switch to the CarPlay screen and use Apple Maps or Google or Waze etc.
@@AutoAmateur Thank you!👍🏻
Love the video. Very helpful and I want one for my cayman now. Just want to know if you've tried it out with Android auto or if it only does car play?
It works with Android too via a USB cable that connects to the Joyeauto box. You can run the cable out from the side of your center console or into your glove box! If you buy it from my website you got a great discount and free shipping.
@@AutoAmateur might want to talk to your supplier because it's definitely cheaper on aliexpress right now ;)
Great video. Do they make similar things for macan and cayenne?
Dharam Bajway - Yes they do, go to www.joyeauto.com to see their product offerings. It’s the same unit James shows on his video, it’s for all Porsche PCM 3.1 units, 911, Boxster, Panamera, Mahan etc. I just installed mine in my 911, perfect in every way, great product and value for the money.
Yes! Like Andy said.
Hi James
Quick question about the functionality of the upgrade; does the navigation feed work with the screen on the dash? I have a 991.1 and was wondering if the navigation through CarPlay will feed through to my small screen in the dash?
Hey Andrew! No, it doesn’t do that. It doesn’t replace your PCM’s nav or map, it simply serves as an Aux input so in your little dash’s screen you’ll see the Aux menu and track info, etc.
@@AutoAmateur Many thank for getting back to me James.
So I have a problem. I paid an installer (who is familiar with this unit having installed a handful before) and it all works great with one exception. The original PCM radio (AM or FM) has no audio. No big deal for us since we use CarPlay 100% of the time, but it still niggles that it should still work. Any ideas?
Hey Mark! So you have audio through CarPlay and your PCM’s phone function, just no audio via the FM-AM radio input…? Usually if there’s no audio whatsoever it’s the orange fiber optic wires which haven’t been moved from the factory black wiring harness over into the back of the JoyeAuto black wiring harness. But if you’re getting partial audio, I’m not sure it will be that. Let me know?
Hi James. Loved the videos. Have you performed any firmware upgrades on the Joyeaudio system ? I haven’t been game to try
In the three years I’ve had it, I haven’t needed to do that.
Thanks mate. Appreciate you taking the time to respond. Have a great day
James, you’re the ultimate tinkerer, so if you have kept the Apple Play, it must be good.
Haha. It's true! :-)
Does anyone else have a BT skipping problem with their iPhone? Will this addition fix that BT problem?
Hi James, After watching your video, I went out and installed one on my 981. My six month review is similar to yours. My other issue is that my friends tell me that they get an echo from me when I speak. Not sure if it’s the microphone from the original car or from the autojoy microphone . Does anyone else have this issue. Am I suppose to disconnect the original microphone?
i have the same issue... if you get an answer would be so kind to forward to me
Thanks for the review.
Just one question, can you skip songs on CarPlay using the pcm buttons, ou do you have to go into the spotify or songs apple to do that on the screen?
Good question!! I think you can use the PCM buttons because you can also use the "Phone" button on PCM to activate Siri.
@@AutoAmateur I hope so. If you find out, please let me know! Thanks!
I know you sold your 911 but curious how did you get carplay or AA to pop up automatic when you start the car? I have to press Navi button each time.
It should default to whatever you had turned on when you turned your engine off. So if you shut the car off with CarPlay showing, then CarPlay should come back on within a few seconds of the PCM starting. This isn’t happening? Are you pressing the “Continue” button on the PCM Home Screen when the car is turned on? That can do the trick.
Is it possible to up load the software to Apple play on the 997/987 gen 2 head units ? I’m still pretty happy with the gen 2 units over the gen 1 horrible unit , I just don’t like the look of putting in a new screen face unit for Apple play and want the genuine look same as you have done on your 991.1 ... any answers would be appreciated from any wizz kids out there :-)
I don’t think so I’m afraid. PCM 3.1 is the earliest PCM model that will work with the required video / graphics I think. The 997 units are too old.
Just echoing what @Fastpitch has said in another comment -- The DAC in this Joyeaudio unit really lets the experience down. I only have "Sound Package Plus" in my 981 Boxster S and even with that fairly poor speaker system I can hear that the audio quality difference. When I route audio through the Joueauto + Carplay, the music loses much of the mid level power and some of the bass response. For a short journey it's tolerable, but on a long drive it's unacceptable. Factory USB audio (and even Factory Bluetooth streaming!) sounds heaps better than when wired through the Joyeauto Carplay. The EQ and "loudness" settings on the Joyeauto are also terrible - just pure distortion.
I had some limited success playing with the "fader" settings - I get much "fuller" sound if I push the fader settings on the Joyeauto box right to the front, which I suspect is because there are no rear speakers in my Boxster 981S.
This is a shame because it's a lot of money to spend on something that's compromised. Had I known this before, I probably would have just stuck with the PCM, so commenting here in the hope that I can save others from making my mistake. Or better yet, maybe somebody else has found a solution?
Thanks Stuart! I haven’t really noticed any reduction in sound quality. Of course, it doesn’t sound as loud (primarily) or full as the PCM sound output, but the quality difference doesn’t bother me at all. I listen to my music on 4 to 5 hour long road trips and it never even registers to me that the sound isn’t as good as maybe it could be through a native OEM device. I used to be in a band and record music in recording studios, so I totally get what you’re saying and I agree that there is a difference. But it’s not a big deal at all to me for an in-car music solution. Put it this way, the wireless Siri, waze and maps functionality alone is worth the $350+ price tag to me. Music is a distant 4th priority for me at least. Thanks for the comment though and would love to hear if anyone has come up with a solution to this!! Cheers!
@@AutoAmateur Thanks! On reflection, I maybe I was a little harsh :) --I don't regret the install, and I really enjoyed the process! I am coming from an excellent Dynaudio system in my last car to only the Sound Package Plus in the Boxster S, which may be why I'm more sensitive than most. (Really wanted the Bose but this model had every other option, and Porsches are famously loud for road noise etc.). I've asked Joyeauto if they have any suggestions and what setup should provide the optimum setup and I will feed back - they're quite responsive.
I'd be super grateful for your thoughts on two small questions too: (1) how did you choose the right fuse? On my car I have some which appear to stay on constantly (obviously can't use these = battery drain) and others which only activate on ignition. Is there one which cuts power after 15 or 30 minutes? The way the screen cuts out when I turn the car off looks like it's not good for the unit! (2) Is the image quality when using CarPlay as crisp as the usual PCM? I've read reviews stating that Carplay quality is crisp, but mine has a bit of a grainy/ washed out quality to it. I don't know whether this is just a limitation of the PCM or whether perhaps one of the wires isn't seated correctly inside the HU or got damaged in the process. Things *look* better in your videos, but these subtle differences are difficult to fully gauge on video.
Thanks again so much for the awesome, content and for taking the time to comment back!
Hi @Stuart , I really felt the same loss in sound quality. As an audiophile this really bothers me. Also, I can her noise coming from the car ignition system coming through the CarPlay audio when in AUX. This also contributes to a sound degradation. I wonder if you have been able to solve this or did you hear back from JoyeAuto ?
@@pauloiudicibus6260 I didn’t hear anything. I’ve switched to playing audio over the pcm Bluetooth on long journeys. Added benefit: I can see the song name on the small display. I never thought I would be listening to Bluetooth instead of a cable connection but I can’t find a way around it.
What fuse box location do you use for the Joye Auto Apple CarPlay? I just finished my install and the fuse box location I'm using appears to be powered all the time, instead of shutting down when the PCM is shut down. I've tried other locations with no success.
Row D slot 1 in my 991.
@@AutoAmateur Thanks! That is where I ended up.
Some people say the PCM navigation system is no longer an option once they’ve installed the AppleCarplay but yours appears to still be available. Can you address that? They also say they lose the navigation on their instrument panel screen. Is that true in your case?
That's not true, at least not with the JoyeAuto solution I have. All it does it act as another AUX input, like an iPod or whatever, but with video too. All of your PCM screens and functions are left 100% intact. The instrument cluster screen too.
@@AutoAmateur Glad to have that confirmation. I’m going to order one.
if u use android, do u have to use wired connection only? also does it support other languages?
I'm not sure about language support but for Android, it's the wired connection only, not wireless.
Question, if I use the sound of the CarPlay is worse as the PCM… you know why?
You need to go through the JoyeAuto settings menu to configure the AUX audio / EQ. You need to do this to dial in the sound to make it equal quality to the PCM settings.
Do you retain and can you still use the original Aux-in that’s in the glove box to play music directly from your phone with a wired connection? I do this because it sounds way better than the Bluetooth connection. If so, will CarPlay display and control what’s playing from your phone on the CarPlay screen or does it default back to the PCM screen? I hope this made sense.
Hey there! If I understand you correctly... yes, I think so but I’ll have to double check. For example, I can listen to radio or sat radio through PCM while the CarPlay is on display giving me map directions etc (video only). I think (!) I’ve had my iPhone hardwired and playing music through the “iPod” USB Aux channel but having the CarPlay showing on the screen at the same time. Is that what you mean?
@@AutoAmateur Sorry, I didn't ask that question very clearly but your answer answered a different question I had so thank you. What I meant is, I use an RCA to iPhone wire to connect to the PCM through the glove box instead of using the wireless bluetooth. I'm kind of an Audiophile geek so this allows me to get much better sound using this external Aux-on plug. What I'm wondering is if this Aux line is still available with the CarPlay installed. I'm trying to make sure it is not somehow disconnected or bypassed or used in some form by the CarPlay install. Hopefully that makes more sense. My guess is you probably (like most) don't even use that plug and have no idea (LOL) but I thought I'd ask. Thanks again for your reply and videos.
Just tested and it still works. However it appears that the JoyeAuto CarPlay interferes a bit. If you play a music in the CarPlay at the same time you play using a RCA AUX input the CarPlay music plays at a very low volume mixing with the higher volume RCA AUX input. Hope to have answered your question .
Hello James ,
I have the joyeauto on my Macan but I must connect my iPhone every time manually and sometime when I am listening the music joyeauto turn out !! Do you have any problem whit yours?
Thanks
Hi there! I experienced the issue where Joyeauto cuts out / off at random. Turned out I had managed to dislodge my fuse slightly so the connection wasn’t solid. I pushed it back in properly and I’ve never had the issue return. As for the manual connection issue, it might be your iPhone’s CarPlay settings which need to have “Connect When Locked” turned ON. Or you might be having an issue with your PCM’s Bluetooth connection if the setting for Bluetooth Aux is on, you need to turn that OFF.
@@AutoAmateur 👍🙏🏼
Well I think I must have bought the wrong unit… just getting around to install and it looks nothing like your circuit board (it has a box). I guess PCM 31 does not equal PCM 3.1? Sending you an email.
How to purchase the interface from after market ?
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Hi James, Your videos about this have been a great help for when I installed it in my 997.2 Carrera, however when I pair I don't get that recognition screen on the head unit...in the JoyeAudio settings panel it says my phone is connected through bluetooth and wifi carplay is enabled but it doesn't go to carplay and I can't click carplay on the main menu. Any ideas how I can solve this?
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Thanks. Actually I unplugged that aux dummy piece and simply buy turning the ignition on so that the engine ran made the difference. That allowed the unit to detect my phone then boot up apple car play. It w works perfectly in that order now every time I start the car.
I think the problem before was because I was doing the install at night and wasn’t turning he ignition the whole way and starting the car.
Fantastic step by step video. THANK YOU!!!!!
Thanks for the video. Can you answer a couple of questions for me?
1) If I install JoyeAuto Apple Car Play, do I lose the OEM Satellite radio?
2) If using apple car play maps (google or Waze or Apple Maps) the map will show up on PCM...what is displayed in the dash cluster multi function screen? I assume it show the OEM Nav map and NOT the map that is displayed on PCM from Joye Auto, correct?
Thanks again
Hey Julian! Sure thing...! 1) No, you maintain all of your existing PCM functions including OEM Sat-radio. 2) Correct, the whatever map you run on Joyeauto (like Apple Maps, Google, Waze etc) only gets displayed on your PCM screen. What gets displayed on your instrument cluster's screen is what you select from the options Porsche gives you... engine info, PCM map, radio, etc.
@@AutoAmateur You are the best, I appreciate that you replied so quickly. On another topic, do you know of a mod that adds a clock in the center of the dash? I don't need a chronograph clock just the "look" of a clock
@@JulianDWhite Hey Julian! You're very welcome. If you just like the "look" of the clock sitting on your dashboard, then yes, assuming you have a 991.1 or 991.2. You simply just need to buy the center trim piece for around $200 and you can find a used (great condition) sports chrono clock on eBay for anywhere between $200 to $400. Or simply buy a new one for $750+ from Suncoast Parts. Popping out the current center trim piece is easy, adding the clock to the new trim piece and popping it back in it also easy. Will take you less than 10 mins. HOWEVER... it won't work or function like the chrono or a clock because it doesn't have any power. There is a wiring harness you need, that you can buy, but I don't know how easy it is to wire it into the car. Plus even if you did, the programming would be expensive to get it to sync up with the PCM / car's onboard computer settings.
when using apple or google maps, does it allow you to pinch/zoom the map? Did you have Sirius and are able to continue to use it?
You can’t pinch to zoom the maps but then I don’t think you can do that on the factory CarPlay units either. Sirius - yes, you will still have sat radio and you can listen to it while you have CarPlay up on your screen.
@@AutoAmateur Thanks. On the new large screen model, 2020-2021, you can pinch zoom the carplay maps screen. This sounds like a prior generation version, forces you to touch screen buttons to move around. I'll stick to my mounted iPhone and stock PCM. :)
Hahah. Fair enough!
Nice garage cabinets -- NewAge?
That’s right!!
@@AutoAmateur Jealous! I tried to get those but they were too tall for my garage. Ended up getting some Husky ones which were the only ones I could find that were still 24" deep but shorter. Here was my install: ruclips.net/video/Wj1XpSRDbM0/видео.html
Still debating if I should do the JoyeAuto kit in my 991.1. Thanks for the solid review!
I’ll check it out. Thanks!
I've installed the system in my cayenne turbo following your video (very informative by the way). I've bought the unit on amazon and they were recommending a front camera with it. There are no instructions on camera wiring. I've connected it the way I think it should go and now when I put the car in reverse, it switches to the front camera. If I unplug it and switch back to pcm I don't have the oem rear camera anymore only a black screen. Do you have any advice for me? Thanks in advance.
It’s the Joyeauto device you bought from Amazon?
Sounds like it’s an issue with the little white pins on the rear corner of the Joyeauto unit. Check your wiring diagram and it will show you. I think for the OEM rear camera to work you need pin 10 in the OFF (down) position. For aftermarket you need it in the ON (up) position. Or one or the other. The front camera is for pin 9 think. Same thing, OEM the switch is one way, aftermarket cam the switch / pin is the other way up or down. Also make sure you’re plugging the cameras into the correct video in ports. I think they’re called RRear and FRear on the little white labels around the wires. RRear being for the rear cam. FRear being the front.
Hi Bob Ray do you have a link to Amazon carplay please Thanks John
John Summon
Joyeauto Wireless CarPlay... www.amazon.com/dp/B086H8Q7HN?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
So I had to unpair my phone from the pcm and let the CarPlay handle all the phone and messages. Dip switch 7 and 8 has to be on. 8 for factory backup camera, 7 for the front camera. Had to turn off all video and rear camera in CarPlay settings and turn on front camera there. The joyeauto front camera handling looks like in stage one. No way to trigger it with any button. It comes on after you take the car out of reverse either to P or D. It stays on for 10 seconds. It would be nice when you parking you can just hit a button to turn it on. Hopefully a future update will address these issues.
It's been 6 months? no kidding. If I am not mistaken, this doesn't work with Bose audio and android devices must be wired to work, right? No bluetooth support yet?
Hello! It does work with Bose (I have the Bose audio system) and it does work with Android but only through the wired USB connection.
Can you still use PCM navigation post installation if you want to? Or does CarPlay remove native navigation?
PMC is still 100% functional, just as standard, after you install the JoyeAuto CarPlay unit. You still get all the same PCM screens and capabilities, the PCM map still gets displayed in the instrument cluster etc. The PCM just treats CarPlay like any Aux input, like an iPod or whatever. It just also projects video as well as audio like other Aux inputs.
@@AutoAmateur Excellent, I’ve ordered one for my Cayenne S, should be delivered 25 January!
I did the installation in my Cayenne S today really straight forward thanks to you and the commenters below.
You need to turn off PCM bluetooth, then it should always connect, and always get your phone calls. This is why its so erratic for you!
Thanks so much!
I just have one question: Why didn't you just install the PCM4? Better touchscreen, apple carplay already integrated etc.
Good question! Because the PCM 4.0 unit is thousands not hundreds of dollars and it won’t fit.
@@AutoAmateur the money is certainly a good point but are you sure it wouldn't fit?
I was sure it would fit too but the sources I spoke with were adamant it wouldn’t and none of the Porsche dealers could verify it either way. From what I understand the 4.0 unit has slightly different mounting mounts.
@@AutoAmateur many thanks for sharing that info.
You bet! If I could have found a cheaper 4.0 unit I would have probably taken the gamble to try it out but there weren’t any around at the time
I lost sound since I installed the joyeauto!
Could one of a few things... 1) did you plug in the little black aux Jack into the aux Jack port in either your glove box or your center console? 2) Did you transfer the two orange wires for your Bose (if you have Bose) from the OEM black wiring harness and relocate them to the back of the new Joyeauto wiring harness? 3) Make sure the black audio cable from the back of the PCM to the Joyeauto box is plugged in properly.
@@AutoAmateur 1)yes, 2)yes 3) black wire??
Send me an email to contact@autoamateur.com
Just did send you an email
Installed in 981 Boxster S , did not work after going over with tech support many times with the same results, even draining my battery! Fed up and returned the item. Worse yet, no credit or partial credit. Highway robbery!!! I would be Leary of doing business with this company!!
You should have contacted me! The battery drain issue was most likely you using the wrong type of fuse slot. The other issues were most likely cable connection issues I could have talked you through.
Will you be poating the podcast audio or video on here?
Both? Ha!
@@AutoAmateur I ment posting not poating. Lol. And ok
You sold your 911? and got what?
The 991 is gone and the 996 is my daily driver for the time being until I figure out what to get next.