Even after years of following this project, I cant Imagine how this would be without Jared. And I might had already stopped watching this, if this guy wasn´t doing his positive vibes each day. Thank you for being here, big J. 💙
I really LOVED his Disco Lando vids - but couldn't find any on RUclips anymore (even in Wingman's Hangar - or should I have looked in 10 for the chairman??)
Yep makes a real difference having that connection and friendly face. My interest in Elite Dangerous diminished when Ed Lewis left Frontier Developments, PR with FDev has been a bit of a joke since!
Outright saying that the Odyssey is a Carrack killer is going to upset some people. On the other hand, it was good to hear that the Starfarer will be getting the ability to refine fuel (assuming Quantanium ... since they say "newly mined"), as it was originally sold on the idea that it was a fuel collection and refining ship that was then pared down to hydrogen. It's a relief to see this shift back to the original idea that people bought it for.
What's particularly annoying about calling it a "carrack killer" is that... It's not. It doesn't seem to have a cartography station, let alone a whole cartography room, it doesn't have drones, it doesn't have modular cargo and has less cargo in general, it is bigger so may fit through less and be less maneouverable, making it trickier to go through some jump points. All it has over the carrack is a bigger landing bay which is of no consequence if you take the pisces with your carrack, the intended pathfinder to pair it with which is already very versatile, and it can mind and refine quantum fuel, which is really the big one. Other than mining/refining quantum fuel, it really doesn't seem superior to the carrack in any other way. So to call it "the ultimate exploration ship" and a "carrack killer" is annoying because it doesn't even seem correct! It seems more like a deep space base ship than an exploration ship, which don't get me wrong, is great. But what about the scanner suite/cartography/jump point mapping/drones? I wanted to hear how the odyssey deals with that
@@breadbeard6722 In a "many people would prefer this over the odyssey" way, yes. In a "this is a better straight exploration ship than the carrack", not so sure. I have a carrack and while I love the new ship, as an exploration ship, I'm not so sure. And as a base ship, I think I would prefer the Polaris, javelin, endeavour or even BMM (which in these teaser shots DOES have a cartography station!) I need to know more about the odyssey's exploration credentials before I'm interested. Mining quantum fuel is a neat trick, but is far from the be all end all for exploration.
I think they are desperately trying to dilute the number of Carracks in game by pushing an alternative... I will be staying with the Carrack. An extra turret makes a difference, not to mentioned manned rather than remote, and the smaller size of them make taking out small and mid sized ships a bit easier. Plus that repair room, drones for repair (and other possibilities), more and possibly modular cargo bays, dedicated long range scanners, and of course that cartography deck... it just feels like the Carrack is a far more flexible ship in terms of possible gameplay. Perhaps the Odyssey can stay out longer without refuel, but the mining and refining doesn't really interest me in an explorer, I will leave that to my orion.
Paul Jones once said that Drake ships armor was "paper thin" and CIG had to walk back that statement several times because of the uproar. I think this is more of Paul Jones shooting from the hip. I don't think he is trying to rile people up, he just gets super excited for whatever the new ship is, and makes statements based on enthusiasm, not special knowledge.
I really love the new Drake assets shown in the Vulture. I like that it's not simply using recycled modular kits from the Cutlass and Caterpillar. I hope we get additional new kits in the Corsair.
I love the bridge of the Odyssey. Not that I like it’s view, but the arrangement of the six seats feels almost "cozy". I can just perfectly imagine the whole crew of an Odyssey getting together on the bridge at the very beginning of their mission, heading into the unknown together.
Honestly, if you pause and look closely, it looks like the window is a lot bigger than the free lancer. I think CIG know's that mess up and is correcting it a bit this time.
Yep, you are right Odo, that cockpit looks very nic3 and professional, very scifi, im happy to have one and cant wait for it to be flyable in the verse
Jared can be a jerk at times, but he's our jerk and we'll take nothing less. This week's ISC is by far my favorite. Jared - never change. To all those that contributed to producing this video, thank you.
@@bradenwoods1111 Yeah I think I watched the whole segment where he was the one that was actually talking and he didn't seem like a jerk to me. That's why I was curious what he was referring to. Just saw that most of the comment section was completely enthralled by him.
1) Don't call it a Carrack killer when the Carrack was sold originally as the best exploration ship that Star Citizen would ever feature. 2) The Odyssey's hangar has me a bit upset about the Carrack's hangar being _deliberately_ constrained to prevent proper landing of a 100i, Arrow, or Buccaneer. That said, I will *_not_* be CCU'ing from the Carrack to the Odyssey for the following reasons: 1) The Carrack and Odyssey will be good partners on long expeditions; the Odyssey and/or Prospector to deal with fuel concerns, and the better-armored Carrack for defense and venturing into more dangerous areas while the Odyssey waits or collects quantainium elsewhere. 2) The Carrack's turret positions (and thus area coverage) and size 4 weapons provide greater defense against small fighters. 3) The Carrack will eventually have modular pods of unknown types -- science, agriculture, possibly even a refinery -- that can replace its 3 cargo pods. 4) The Carrack has yet-unfinished features that will likely increase its value when they come online: the modularity in point 3, drones, engineering, navigation, and jump point charting and traversal. No, the Odyssey is not a Carrack _killer._ They are each better for specific situations, and having both along a long-haul expedition is going to be ideal.
They never said the Carrack will be the best exploration ship EVER. The carrack is an old ship in game and lore. Game needs diversity and though I don't think the Odyssey is better or worse than the Carrack, I appreciate that CIG is making more exploration ships of different makes and models. Its a good thing!
I think when he says its a "Carrack killer" he is speaking from a standpoint as a MISC personnel. They know for sure that the Carrack can do some thing that the Odyssey can't. Both are still great exploration ships.
_"Every crew member has his own room."_ I like that!!! :-) I bought one at IAE, but it's not a Carrack killer. In order to be a Carrack killer, it would need to add the things that a Carrack has: a stellar cartography room and repair drones. As it is now, I see it as a partner to the Carrack -- the two ships going out working together to explore the outer fringes.
@@trikepj that is assuming you can transfer the fuel from the odyssey to the carrack. To be honest I don’t think this will be a feature as I haven’t seen anything pointing to that (fueling arm, etc.)
I think the owners of the Carrack are frustrated because they haven't even seen the full potential of the original exploration ship and then they come out with something that they're claiming is going to kill it which to me seems like a marketing tactic. 🤔
@@Supernova094 it's sad really I wouldn't have a problem them releasing something that would kill a design of something they previously did if we all got to see what the original potential was supposed to be.
The best part is that they never leave a ship how it originally was. They plan on getting every ship up to gold standard throughout development. And gold standard itself keeps improving. Someday we will probably be able to see the individual parts on every ship doing their part to keep the ship alive. This game is absolutely mind blowing everytime I look at it GREAT JOB CIG!!!
Can’t wait to get my hands on the sticks of the Merchantman, Vulture and Scorpius. As for the Odyssey, it’s a great ship. But so is the Carrack and I’ll be keeping mine.
If you have a Vulture, the Carrack might be the better choice. I think the Carrack will have a little more synergy with salvaging, with its 2x large radar, repair drones, mapping room, and the modular flexibility. Odyssey clearly geared a more toward mining with its mining laser, refinery, and downward-facing radar. I'll be salvaging and have a Carrack to Ody CCU, but I might just melt it.
@@chrisweiland4549 Odyssey has mapping table too (function is the same as this maping room on the Carrack). So the Carrack isnt unique here. Odyssey cant do mining. It can mine fuel for himself - thats it. The radar is the same as Carack's. Carrack dont have any synergy with the Vulture. You can fly only one ship at a time. Carrack OR Vulture OR Odyssey, not both. So forget about these synergies. The only one feature of Carrack are the drones (not repair drones - exploration drones). And it loses at everything else.
@@jkl3201 lol, calm down, there's nothing stopping a group of players flying several ships in a fleet, all ships have their pros and cons, it's not something to be edgy over, just enjoy the game
I love the odyssey, it give me lovely startrek voyager/enterprise vibes! This exacly is the upgrade that I have been waiting for since backing 2015 with the freelancer! Thanks and even if this game never comes out. It gave me more fun for my buck then any other project with these video's and keeping me engaged over the years! Thanks!
I remeber the first time I played oblivion. Exiting the sewer for the first time, I was blown away by the freedom and couldn't wait to explore. From that point forward that's all I did and I'd opened the entire map before I even got back on to the main quest. The freedom to explore just had me hooked and that's all I did without even caring about character arcs or storylines. This ship is for me...... Sold 👍
I think the issue is that it's a nonsense comment. The ships don't do the same things other than they generally explore. It'd be like saying that the Polaris is the Perseus killer because it's bigger and more expensive, and they both make things blowup.
@@mapohl2792 just people being people I imagine. Some wanting their shiny to always shine the brightest, and don’t you dare suggest something is even slight more illustrious. Even if it’s a different type of gem.😋
Yeah, not entirely sure why Paul blurted that out as it would only seed division on Spectrum when the goal should be to make both the Carrack and the Odyssey viable exploration ships. 😃 Additionally, the Carrack is supposed to get more modules at some point as those three "Cargo Module" pods are just the default option. With the sheer size of each of those pods I could definitely see a "Quantum Mining & Refinery Module" at some point so that people will have to give up 33% of their cargo capacity in order to extend their range. I think that would be a fair trade-off (and would make CIG a ton of money as nearly every Carrack owner will likely want to buy such a module). 😋 Then the difference could be in the way each ship mines the quantainium where the Odyssey basically uses a Prospector-style mining setup while the Carrack might have two remote controlled mining drones in that module as the Carrack already has a thing for drones. 😉
The Hull A is shaping up pretty well. Glad the single big engine in the back is still a thing. Was worried they removed it in the last preview they had. Although that dashboard though...
The odyssey to me feels like a sort of colony ship/generation ship. It has everything it needs to be self-sufficient to just drift in space forever. Sounds crazy fun
This is a game being made with so much love and dedication it blows my mind! Huge thanks from me and looking forward to exploring the galaxy in something like this.
Anyone else surprised that they didn't even try and say how the Carrack might outperform the Odyssey in certain situations? Even the designer said it was a Carrack killer.
Developers, like most people, sometimes say and do stupid things, which is why you shouldnt always take them at face value. The two ships, in design, and in lore, have separate and distinct roles within the exploration profession.
This one was a rollercoaster of emotions. All good ones. From pure awe of ALL ships and their progress thus far right down to laughter becauseo of the totally unexpected twist, ending gently in a whisper of pure Jared ASMR. Agreed, Jared. Fun is important. Amazing ISC episode and looking forward to next week. :D
"carrack killer" is not really what most of us wanted to hear. its not too late to make it a carrack competitor instead of a carrack killer guys please.
No. No no no. They can't creep up the sales and continue sucking money out of you if they don't make the next best thing even better than the next best thing that was even better!
@@Munky84 The Endeavor is an Odyssey-killer. It's really the ultimate multipurpose ship. The ultimate multitool that lets players have ultimate control over how they want to play the game. It's the best MISC ship. ...until something even better gets concepted.
After watching this, I really do hope they'll redo the Reclaimer with the same treatments as they did for this ship. I always feel Reclaimer's internals were rushed. There are so many empty spaces inside that you don't see. Reclaimer does need more rooms and specialized rooms like a medic bay and engineering room.
Everyone knows the Reclaimer needs a rework, same as the Starfarer, but until they get close to being actually usable, spending time redesigning them is a waste, so dont expect anyone to touch the Reclaimer until after T1 salvage, probably a long time after that considering the limited extent of T1 salvage.
@@canniballistic555 Yeah, I pretty much expected that. I also think Reclaimer might become bigger since they pretty much upscale some things after Reclaimer was brought into the game. 300i was a good example of that. Few years ago, I did my own revision on Reclaimer design and mechanic wise. After much consideration brainstorming, I decided that the big claw need to be replaced with a big jaw, with a "throat" conveyor to pull the scraps into the multistep grinding/processing in the belly. That way, you don't have that awkwardness of controlling the claw into the body at the rear. I posted my works on the forum, but I think it got lost somewhere since there was some forum change since then.
@@VincentNacon Im pretty sure it already increased in size once during the metric changes, which is why it doesnt fit at Oli anymore. It has a lot of design issues, mostly the interior though, and its not clear how the salvaging process works for the ship but I dont think the claw is used to move ships or salvage, but rather to cut large ships up so that tractor beams can move those pieces to the underside of the ship, where the grinder is. I believe the rear access is specifically for small ships to be hand salvaged or salvaged in a similar but reverse way to the Crucibles repairing tools which were shown off a long time ago.
@@canniballistic555 PO had increased those landing pads temporarily to give Reclaimer and 890j (iirc) owners a place to spawn their ships. Once they gave the ability to spawn them elsewhere they returned the PO pads back to their original size. Never understood the decision myself. The video of the Reclaimer sliding into PO on an emergency landing was one of the best ever.
What I would love to see is a full blown movie, built around the Star Citizen lore with the ships and locations in game! That would be the ultimate teaser!
I thought the Carrack was billed as the "ultimate explorer". I love the Odyssey concept, but how long until there's yet another "ultimate exploration ship"? Will the Carrack be revisited to bring it up to this new level of "ultimate", as it was originally billed?
It's called power creep and it's bad for games. In this case it's the result of the desire to sell ships. In other words, the ship sales model is leading to poor game design decisions that affect game quality.
Oh Jared, I love you so much. Your gentle voice and the way you deliver your lines like you're talking to a child really make me feel safe. Thank you Jared for being so special and for volunteering your time to make these unbelievably amazing videos! If anything ever happens to you, I don't know what I'll do.
The Odyssey is now officially my favorite ship, I can't wait to stand on the bridge I hope that the captain's chair actually says captain's con. And the merchantman may take it's place on the favorite ship of all time list, this is going to be fantastic. Then there is the Vulture yet another ship I am looking forward to seeing in the verse, Well done, keep up the great work and thank you.
Chis Roberts. Thank you for creating a dream. When you first launched I felt like, finally someone has the same mind set as I. There have been times I would catch myself day dreaming about a Carrack landing in an open field a pilot coming out waving me own. I know dorky but thats why they are dreams. Keep up the great work!!!
just look at that, I don't know how you guys accomplished this but everything about this just attracts me to this game. The color/shape/size everything just looks right. I Cant wait for server meshing and whole gameplay loops to come online to make it a living breathing universe Thinking that one day I will be living in this ship doing all kinds of things such as waking up in bed one day and looking out the window seeing that my friend is still flying through unknown worlds while knowing there is a living breathing universe out there just makes me :)
It's really nice but I'm feeling that they missed the marked slightly to the bottom left. They just don't see it right now. It's all about game play and how the ship functions smoothly with the rules and regulations in which they manage the game.
Also, these adventures have to be financed. Sounds like we cannot use the mining laser for profit, just to refuel. If we bring a prospector than we lose a possibility. If we bring a repair ship we lose a possibility. If I go exploring, I want to go down to planets and moons, enter caves and collect data and items that may bring me a good payout. We might need a RoC, Ursa rover, and maybe an MT cyclone for defense to cover ground expedition. They say that the game will develop in a way which will require to travel for weeks to discover new features. The idea that we have to travel in large groups is flawed. Each ship requires multiple people to be effective. Just imagine organizing and maintaining all those individuals on long expeditions understanding the characteristics and habits of gamers, we have O.C.D.. We change what we want to do daily, life happens and we don't show up! I think they need to give this ship a little more solo abilities otherwise it will flop until atleast until the game is better developed.
I am excited about the Starfarer and BMM updates. And the Voltron thing ruled. Jared, you're good. Now...putting phrases like "Carrack killer" and "ultimate exploration ship" in the video is really pretty low. The Odyssey is clearly meant to be a competitor to the Carrack with differences that balance them against each other, but terms like this play on the emotions of people who are afraid that the ship they have is no longer the ship they need, so they have to spend the extra money to "upgrade". It can be waved off as the devs just providing their opinions, but it's obviously going to influence the decisions of people with vulnerable wallets. The CIG marketing and sales machine is getting exhausting.
I’m soooo glad they used those two statements to clarify that the Odyssey won’t have to hold hands with the Carrack to navigate to the far reaches of space. Although I would like some clarity on its navigation capabilities.
@@tropicthndr I believe the Carrack is supposed to have superior mapping and scanning tools with regards to space itself (jump points/anomalies/whatever), while the Odyssey is more geared toward resource collection. This is why I feel like it's a bit disingenuous. People hang on every word from the devs and they know it. They're good people, but this felt a little egregious.
I melted every ship I had for store credit to get this baby. This ship literally has everything I always wanted in this game. Amazing job creating the Odyssey, hats off to the dev team!
thank you so much for reworking the Starfarer's interior. It is partly really cool (crew bunks, crew area, kitchen, bridge) but partly so unnecessarily useless (captains area, no lift from ground floor to first, the gangway etc.) Huge thank you for that!
How exactly will exploration work in the finished game? When the game releases there are supposed to be about 70 systems, but those are all known, with bunch of info on them. So whats there to explore? Would love to hear what yall think!
There's gunna opertunities to sell data to interested parties. If one can find a very dense collection of ore, a newly discovered jump point (which is supposed to be a thing), or even if you've found a planet where land claims might be nice.
I’ve wonderer about that often too. Like with the Carrack, we can "map new jumppoints". Great, but there will be a few hundreds, which will probably be mapped by some very dedicated people within weeks of SCs final release. They need to give such things a lot of thought (and I think they do)
From my recollection, certain jump points will be discoverable. Including the location of new areas. I also believe even though currently we can see all the jump points easily, in the release version you will have to purchase the data of these jump points. Also exploration encompasses mining areas, space anomalies, derelicts, etc. From what I can tell science/data running/exploration are all the same thing. And seem to be used interchangeably
@@quuaaarrrk8056 Jump points are supposed to be a phenomenon that change constantly. So if you chart one, that single specific chart will only be accurate for so long, before it becomes outdated and needs to be charted again
Its great to see these big ships getting further and further in the pipeline! Especially seeing all the different styles inside! Its art , man. Straight art
At least they have different jobs in the verse - for me, the Carrack is still the technical explorer, drones, carthography, deep palnet scanning, vulcan exploration, etc. - while the Odyssey is a living- and nomadship, you leave the homeport, going out there and start to live there, not coming back, to explore the outer world, by finding and visit this world out there - for me, completely different playstyles and both are great - WOOOHOOOOOO :-D
This did annoy me although both ships fit different exploration disciplines its annoying to see certain features on the Odyssey which they said they couldnt put on the Carrack. Bigger Hanger? Bigger vehicle Bay? Why does the Odyssey (a non direct combat ship) have better turrets than the Carrack? An Anvil ship designed to work inside combat fleets? Being in the Carrack on long expeditions, why wouldnt I have a medium fighter in my hanger? at a push a heavy fighter?
I hope compatibility with the upcoming Fire mechanic will be part of the Starfarer rework. It’d make sense that botching Refueling or Refining could cause a fire to break out which then needs to be extinguished.
As if this game wasn't exciting enough already, the background music in this video really compliments that nostalgic feel.. I can't wait for this game to release.
OMG PICOTRON! Great episode! The ships are looking fab. Nice to see the early shots of the BMM, and the Odyssey is looking great. Please don't use ladders where a quick lift would be better! :D
Calling the Odyssey a Carrack-killer and the "ultimate exploration ship" honestly feels like backstabbing Carrack owners, especially those who've pledged for a Carrack many years ago when the Carrack was supposed to be the supreme, self-sufficient exploration ship. I'm all for having more options from different manufacturers, but please don't make it sound like the Carrack will be obsolete.
well i see the carrack having it's place with jump points and higher risk areas, the carrack has drones, the oddy does not and is much bigger, but we will have to see where the balance comes in.
I have a hard time not understanding how Carrack owners were not betrayed right here. We were promised the best exploration ship... well it was that for nearly a year (of alpha gameplay with no exploration to speak of).
I'm waiting for the day they start making this ship flyable, then I will trade up from my Carrack. It's a beautiful ship with everything I want for Pyro
Yeah this last episode really has me on the fence now where before I was pretty sure I’d stick with the Carrack. I’m a sucker for modularity though so that still a plus for the Carrack. I’ll grab a CCU just in case I change my mind though.
Starfarer rework! The first contender for the worst designed ship is getting an uplift. Can't wait for the big turtle to be more than a fun experiment to run people new to the ship through.
Yes, this was the buried lead of ISC this week. If it works out, this paves the way for landing, security, astronomical telescope, tractor beam, and maneuvering cameras in the future.
CIG we like your game and we want to support it. There is no need to have the developers act like marketing douchebags and call Odyssey a carrack killer.
Stop getting personally attached to ships. If you bought ships for the skae of buying yourself the best possible start instead of supporting the project , then thats already where you made a mistake. Maybe use your carrack to earn an odyssey ingame. Thats what people who bought the basic starter package will do anyways. I will use my freelancer to earn an upgrade to a drake corsair. Starting off with a capital ship only makes sense if you have a group of dedicated players.
@@snakeace0 I don't own a carrack. It's just funny the clumsy attempts at marketing by people who have no idea how to market something. You would never see a Mercedes-Benz ad saying "2021 model is the 2020 model killer. Then again you don't see assembly workers advertising cars. Cause at Mercedes they act like professionals.
Looks like a great ship. It's becoming abundantly clear that fuel management will be an important consideration for any pilot, especially with Pyro apparently set to be much larger than Stanton. For an explorer of all things to be self-sufficient in this regard, to me at least, seems like a paramount feature. I expect CI will receive a lot of pledges for this ship; the versatility and support of a ship like this could provide a lot of value to a fleet
Wow, man... these guys are on fire! They're finishing a lot of things lately. I'm genuinely surprised with them. Good job, everyone! This game is going to be a mark in history. I would not surprised if they arrive with the entire Pyro system completely done next year. Not just one planet, but the entire system, you know?
@@stannistargaryen Hmmm while this is a seductive idea I'm quite sceptical about an IAE in an outlaw system, yet Jax special reports directly from Pyro could be more realistic imho.
I wouldn't class the odyssey as a Carrack killer. They are two very different ships that occupy the same role. Carrack being a targeted exploration vessel scanning anomalies and navigating newly discovered jump points. The Odyssey an off the cuff meandering explorer. Both super cool though. Almost think the Odyssey hanger could hold two ships one on top the other its pretty deep.
Now this is the discovery ship like star trek. It feels like space at home where the crew is on a mission to traverse space and find unknown species or objects, I will look forward to enjoy exploring contract and explore the wonders of star citizen space
I will point out that it was Paul Jones, *the Art Director,* that called it a "Carrack killer". The reason I point this out is that, unlike John Crewe, Paul Jones has no impact on the the capabilities or performance of ships in game. So in other words, beyond aesthetics he has about as much say on the Odyssey as the average backer. John Crewe, *the guy in charge of all ship development,* was the one that characterized the Odyssey as a competitor to the Carrack. And I would take John Crewe's characterization on how ships are intended to compare to each-other over basically everyone else at CIG other than Chris Roberts!
I laugh at you good sir. For the Odyssey can't explore for its missing all the exploration equipment. The Odyssey is in fact a jack of all trades, master of none type of ship.
@@Areanyusernamesleft you're not wrong. But I think Paul captured how it was sold by marketing more than John did. The spirit of the thing you might say. I would rather they get the message straight. Be clear in what they are selling.
so you make the Carrack the ultimate exploration ship. People buy them. Then you make the Odyssey which is the new "ultimate exploration ship". come back next year for the next ship which will be the ultimate exploration ship. Seriously wtf. Let it compete but in different areas not just outclass the Carrack in every way
This ship looks amazing and it 's cool that you guys are working on it, but what about all the other ships that are older and still in concept. I feel like you guys need to stop the new concept ship to catch up with what you have promised and have yet delivered. This ship would be nice once everyone got their purchased ship flyable in the verse. The price it being only the front half of the endeavor feels overpriced.
The idea was meant to be that the ships that were needed for S42 were going to be made first, which was a decision even older than the newer one to prioritise features for S42, but at this point it seems just odd that new ships for professions not anywhere near playable in the PU keep popping up.
@@canniballistic555 That was 2 years ago when Squadron 42 BETA was just a few months away, now it's "when it's ready". The PU is almost ready for full launch imo just add refuel, salvage, and repair. The rest of the promised locations and features can drip in every year after launch when we have full persistence and can earn ships in game that will not be wiped.
@@invader218 I dont want to spend the time to unpack all that, so I'll just say I respectfully and whole heartedly disagree with the entirety of what you wrote.
Odyssey and Ion just read like power creep, encouraged by the ship sales based business model. In other words, the business is undermining the design of the game. The whole point of crowdfunding was to avoid such traps. A lot of people are beginning to pick up on this implicitly or explicitly. Dislike. Have to say it as youtube won't show it anymore.
The Ion seems to be overpowered, yes. But they'll balance it later. They'll have to , unless they want to see only that ship in the verse. The Odyssey on the other hand isn't over powered, just overstated. The Carrack has a bunch of features that it lacks, so it's not really overshadowed by the Odyssey.
Did you guys really allow someone to say in the recording that "In my mind its a Carrack Killer"? That was literally why the community was in an uproar over this ship. It makes people think you are designing future ships to make the old ones obsolete. Poor decision imo..... Comments like that are the reason I dont put more money into the game to help with development
I love my carrack but the odyssey reminds me so much of the Prometheus. Love the aircraft cockpit aesthetic despite the visibility. Seems really grounded to how we might make an interstellar ship in real life. Plus that hangar and vehicle bay look so much better, really excited for this. RIP to my carrack.
Even after years of following this project, I cant Imagine how this would be without Jared.
And I might had already stopped watching this, if this guy wasn´t doing his positive vibes each day. Thank you for being here, big J. 💙
He even did SC videos before being employed by CIG. He is a OG.
I really LOVED his Disco Lando vids - but couldn't find any on RUclips anymore (even in Wingman's Hangar - or should I have looked in 10 for the chairman??)
Yep makes a real difference having that connection and friendly face. My interest in Elite Dangerous diminished when Ed Lewis left Frontier Developments, PR with FDev has been a bit of a joke since!
We love you, Jared
He seems a natural for that sort of thing.
I surely can't do that.
Raftron needs an in-game action figure at the very least...
Outright saying that the Odyssey is a Carrack killer is going to upset some people. On the other hand, it was good to hear that the Starfarer will be getting the ability to refine fuel (assuming Quantanium ... since they say "newly mined"), as it was originally sold on the idea that it was a fuel collection and refining ship that was then pared down to hydrogen. It's a relief to see this shift back to the original idea that people bought it for.
What's particularly annoying about calling it a "carrack killer" is that... It's not.
It doesn't seem to have a cartography station, let alone a whole cartography room, it doesn't have drones, it doesn't have modular cargo and has less cargo in general, it is bigger so may fit through less and be less maneouverable, making it trickier to go through some jump points.
All it has over the carrack is a bigger landing bay which is of no consequence if you take the pisces with your carrack, the intended pathfinder to pair it with which is already very versatile, and it can mind and refine quantum fuel, which is really the big one.
Other than mining/refining quantum fuel, it really doesn't seem superior to the carrack in any other way.
So to call it "the ultimate exploration ship" and a "carrack killer" is annoying because it doesn't even seem correct!
It seems more like a deep space base ship than an exploration ship, which don't get me wrong, is great. But what about the scanner suite/cartography/jump point mapping/drones? I wanted to hear how the odyssey deals with that
He is probably right. Since many people owning the carrack now, really wanted the oddyssey
@@breadbeard6722 In a "many people would prefer this over the odyssey" way, yes. In a "this is a better straight exploration ship than the carrack", not so sure.
I have a carrack and while I love the new ship, as an exploration ship, I'm not so sure.
And as a base ship, I think I would prefer the Polaris, javelin, endeavour or even BMM (which in these teaser shots DOES have a cartography station!)
I need to know more about the odyssey's exploration credentials before I'm interested. Mining quantum fuel is a neat trick, but is far from the be all end all for exploration.
I think they are desperately trying to dilute the number of Carracks in game by pushing an alternative... I will be staying with the Carrack. An extra turret makes a difference, not to mentioned manned rather than remote, and the smaller size of them make taking out small and mid sized ships a bit easier. Plus that repair room, drones for repair (and other possibilities), more and possibly modular cargo bays, dedicated long range scanners, and of course that cartography deck... it just feels like the Carrack is a far more flexible ship in terms of possible gameplay. Perhaps the Odyssey can stay out longer without refuel, but the mining and refining doesn't really interest me in an explorer, I will leave that to my orion.
Paul Jones once said that Drake ships armor was "paper thin" and CIG had to walk back that statement several times because of the uproar. I think this is more of Paul Jones shooting from the hip. I don't think he is trying to rile people up, he just gets super excited for whatever the new ship is, and makes statements based on enthusiasm, not special knowledge.
I really love the new Drake assets shown in the Vulture. I like that it's not simply using recycled modular kits from the Cutlass and Caterpillar. I hope we get additional new kits in the Corsair.
I like the new drake interior and that olive drab green
I like it too, but isn't the fun about it that it's recycled? ^^
@@keith4430 in this video, dude. Why else would I comment here? Lol
i cannot wait for corsair, def my most anticipated ship from day 1
@@keith4430 6:42 ...didn't you watch the video?
I've said it before and I'll say it again; Jared is a national treasure.
*Galactic
He's literally the only thing keeping me from going apeshit on this ever-delayed game.
Perfection. The BMM White Box! It'S all done! DO it!
and at the end... MAGNIFICIENT!
Notice how he said it's not comming soon... So what he means is they are planning on it to come at some point ;)
Be carful what you wish for, remember the little underdog Argo that made it all the way to the finish line. HaHa.
@@19TheDon85 next Citcon probably
I'm from the future and.... I'm sorry lads.
@@harrisoncortis8416 lol
I love the bridge of the Odyssey. Not that I like it’s view, but the arrangement of the six seats feels almost "cozy". I can just perfectly imagine the whole crew of an Odyssey getting together on the bridge at the very beginning of their mission, heading into the unknown together.
It gives me real enterprise vibes. And CIG knows that as can be heard at the end of the last IAE Jax Episode
EXACTLY!!
it's star trek for sure :)
Honestly, if you pause and look closely, it looks like the window is a lot bigger than the free lancer. I think CIG know's that mess up and is correcting it a bit this time.
Yep, you are right Odo, that cockpit looks very nic3 and professional, very scifi, im happy to have one and cant wait for it to be flyable in the verse
That ending though, and I thought the BMM update would be the biggest surprise
Was that a Pico Titan suit?
@@VolondM basically? Lol.
It reminds me of old cartoons like thunderbird and power rangers xD
@@greed_xiii It was a Voltron reference
@@daauron never watched it, but now I know. I just only knew of the idea of separate vehicles combining into one.
@@VolondM clearly itl be a toy ingame and thats it :D
Jared can be a jerk at times, but he's our jerk and we'll take nothing less. This week's ISC is by far my favorite. Jared - never change. To all those that contributed to producing this video, thank you.
Jerk? Why?
@@Humanaut. guess you didn't watch the video
@@SahilP2648 I skipped like 1/3rd of it. Watched the beginning and the last half.
I watched the whole thing but missed the part where he was a jerk?
@@bradenwoods1111 Yeah I think I watched the whole segment where he was the one that was actually talking and he didn't seem like a jerk to me. That's why I was curious what he was referring to. Just saw that most of the comment section was completely enthralled by him.
1) Don't call it a Carrack killer when the Carrack was sold originally as the best exploration ship that Star Citizen would ever feature.
2) The Odyssey's hangar has me a bit upset about the Carrack's hangar being _deliberately_ constrained to prevent proper landing of a 100i, Arrow, or Buccaneer.
That said, I will *_not_* be CCU'ing from the Carrack to the Odyssey for the following reasons:
1) The Carrack and Odyssey will be good partners on long expeditions; the Odyssey and/or Prospector to deal with fuel concerns, and the better-armored Carrack for defense and venturing into more dangerous areas while the Odyssey waits or collects quantainium elsewhere.
2) The Carrack's turret positions (and thus area coverage) and size 4 weapons provide greater defense against small fighters.
3) The Carrack will eventually have modular pods of unknown types -- science, agriculture, possibly even a refinery -- that can replace its 3 cargo pods.
4) The Carrack has yet-unfinished features that will likely increase its value when they come online: the modularity in point 3, drones, engineering, navigation, and jump point charting and traversal.
No, the Odyssey is not a Carrack _killer._ They are each better for specific situations, and having both along a long-haul expedition is going to be ideal.
Seems they'll be killing their own old ships with new ships to get the pledges rolling.
CIG will troll
They never said the Carrack will be the best exploration ship EVER. The carrack is an old ship in game and lore. Game needs diversity and though I don't think the Odyssey is better or worse than the Carrack, I appreciate that CIG is making more exploration ships of different makes and models. Its a good thing!
Carrack ist limited due to the metrics of the largest hangars.
I think when he says its a "Carrack killer" he is speaking from a standpoint as a MISC personnel. They know for sure that the Carrack can do some thing that the Odyssey can't. Both are still great exploration ships.
When the devs themselves call it a "Carrack Killer" Yikes. I'm a little pissed at that statement.
Yea same. Its great and all but no ship should be objectively better than another one in the same size class...
It doesn't even make sense as a statement, as the Odyssey lacks a bunch of features that the Carrack has, and vice versa.
Why? It's not like the Carrack is useless now, we don't even know how exploration works yet...
Of course they want 1000s of Carracks melted why wouldn't they.
_"Every crew member has his own room."_ I like that!!! :-)
I bought one at IAE, but it's not a Carrack killer.
In order to be a Carrack killer, it would need to add the things that a Carrack has: a stellar cartography room and repair drones.
As it is now, I see it as a partner to the Carrack -- the two ships going out working together to explore the outer fringes.
Don't forget: more cargo space! 250 scu for a deep space explorer is almost nothing...
It killed my Carrack xD
While the Carrack explores the Odyssey produces the Fuel for both
@@trikepj that is assuming you can transfer the fuel from the odyssey to the carrack. To be honest I don’t think this will be a feature as I haven’t seen anything pointing to that (fueling arm, etc.)
Yeah, I kept my Carrack but also bought the Odyssey. Both for different purposes.
I think the owners of the Carrack are frustrated because they haven't even seen the full potential of the original exploration ship and then they come out with something that they're claiming is going to kill it which to me seems like a marketing tactic. 🤔
indeed.
It's so weird when the developers themselves making ships that " kill " their previous ships ( their words ) .
Need to get those $300 Carrack owners to dump another $400 into the game somehow, right?
It’s almost like real life vehicle makers market theirs as the best all the time.
@@Supernova094 it's sad really I wouldn't have a problem them releasing something that would kill a design of something they previously did if we all got to see what the original potential was supposed to be.
The best part is that they never leave a ship how it originally was. They plan on getting every ship up to gold standard throughout development. And gold standard itself keeps improving. Someday we will probably be able to see the individual parts on every ship doing their part to keep the ship alive. This game is absolutely mind blowing everytime I look at it GREAT JOB CIG!!!
the only mind-blowing is the fact that probably my grandchildren will play this game.
Can’t wait to get my hands on the sticks of the Merchantman, Vulture and Scorpius. As for the Odyssey, it’s a great ship. But so is the Carrack and I’ll be keeping mine.
But Odyssey it better than Carrack?
@@jkl3201 better is subjective. That being said I did pick up an odyssey
If you have a Vulture, the Carrack might be the better choice. I think the Carrack will have a little more synergy with salvaging, with its 2x large radar, repair drones, mapping room, and the modular flexibility. Odyssey clearly geared a more toward mining with its mining laser, refinery, and downward-facing radar. I'll be salvaging and have a Carrack to Ody CCU, but I might just melt it.
@@chrisweiland4549 Odyssey has mapping table too (function is the same as this maping room on the Carrack). So the Carrack isnt unique here. Odyssey cant do mining. It can mine fuel for himself - thats it. The radar is the same as Carack's. Carrack dont have any synergy with the Vulture. You can fly only one ship at a time. Carrack OR Vulture OR Odyssey, not both. So forget about these synergies. The only one feature of Carrack are the drones (not repair drones - exploration drones). And it loses at everything else.
@@jkl3201 lol, calm down, there's nothing stopping a group of players flying several ships in a fleet, all ships have their pros and cons, it's not something to be edgy over, just enjoy the game
I vote for an in-game tv series called Raftron with accompanying action figures.....also, Jared you are awesome!
Yes! I want the action figures that connect!
I love the odyssey, it give me lovely startrek voyager/enterprise vibes! This exacly is the upgrade that I have been waiting for since backing 2015 with the freelancer! Thanks and even if this game never comes out. It gave me more fun for my buck then any other project with these video's and keeping me engaged over the years! Thanks!
Liked this one, no sarcasm towards the backers or jokes about how long it's been, no snide "when it's ready". Appreciate the professionalism here
I remeber the first time I played oblivion. Exiting the sewer for the first time, I was blown away by the freedom and couldn't wait to explore. From that point forward that's all I did and I'd opened the entire map before I even got back on to the main quest. The freedom to explore just had me hooked and that's all I did without even caring about character arcs or storylines.
This ship is for me...... Sold 👍
"Its a Carrack killer" oh boi, big piles of salt on spectrum incoming.
Indeed. It was at that moment I felt a sudden ripple in the force. As thousands of Carrack owners cried out in pain & anger...😋
I think the issue is that it's a nonsense comment. The ships don't do the same things other than they generally explore. It'd be like saying that the Polaris is the Perseus killer because it's bigger and more expensive, and they both make things blowup.
I dont get why everyone is so mad about it its just 2 top tier exploration vessels and now we can choose what car we drive into pyro
@@mapohl2792 just people being people I imagine. Some wanting their shiny to always shine the brightest, and don’t you dare suggest something is even slight more illustrious. Even if it’s a different type of gem.😋
Yeah, not entirely sure why Paul blurted that out as it would only seed division on Spectrum when the goal should be to make both the Carrack and the Odyssey viable exploration ships. 😃
Additionally, the Carrack is supposed to get more modules at some point as those three "Cargo Module" pods are just the default option. With the sheer size of each of those pods I could definitely see a "Quantum Mining & Refinery Module" at some point so that people will have to give up 33% of their cargo capacity in order to extend their range. I think that would be a fair trade-off (and would make CIG a ton of money as nearly every Carrack owner will likely want to buy such a module). 😋
Then the difference could be in the way each ship mines the quantainium where the Odyssey basically uses a Prospector-style mining setup while the Carrack might have two remote controlled mining drones in that module as the Carrack already has a thing for drones. 😉
The Hull A is shaping up pretty well. Glad the single big engine in the back is still a thing. Was worried they removed it in the last preview they had.
Although that dashboard though...
The odyssey to me feels like a sort of colony ship/generation ship. It has everything it needs to be self-sufficient to just drift in space forever. Sounds crazy fun
💯
Oh the progress! 2022 is going to be great.
Thanks for 2021, it's been supportive in these times!
This is a game being made with so much love and dedication it blows my mind! Huge thanks from me and looking forward to exploring the galaxy in something like this.
Anyone else surprised that they didn't even try and say how the Carrack might outperform the Odyssey in certain situations? Even the designer said it was a Carrack killer.
Developers, like most people, sometimes say and do stupid things, which is why you shouldnt always take them at face value.
The two ships, in design, and in lore, have separate and distinct roles within the exploration profession.
@@canniballistic555 the dev was trolling Carrack fanboys LMAO. And y'all all in your feelings over what he said lol
They trying to sell the Odyssey not the Carrack.
@@BlakTygr And? Its not his job to be funny.
Worry about your own feelings, I dont own exploration ships.
@@canniballistic555 lol you are really hurt by what he said aren't you?
This one was a rollercoaster of emotions. All good ones. From pure awe of ALL ships and their progress thus far right down to laughter becauseo of the totally unexpected twist, ending gently in a whisper of pure Jared ASMR. Agreed, Jared. Fun is important. Amazing ISC episode and looking forward to next week. :D
"carrack killer" is not really what most of us wanted to hear.
its not too late to make it a carrack competitor instead of a carrack killer guys please.
Why make it intentionally worse when carrack owners can also have something to look forward to work for in game?
No. No no no. They can't creep up the sales and continue sucking money out of you if they don't make the next best thing even better than the next best thing that was even better!
I agree. Because its missing so much exploration equipment that the Carrack has. Its mostly a jack of all trades master of none kind of ship.
@@LRaufKadcon Well first they will have to redesign the Odyssey in order to make it better then the Carrack. Its missing things that the Carrack has.
As long as jared's song at the end makes it onto an official soundtrack somewhere i'm happy with it
Vulture is looking exactly as I'd hoped, very much looking forward to getting my hands on it!
I want salvage so bad, I want to strip other ships
@@VLK_Static Same. Vulture is my only pledge atm but i wouldnt mind getting my grubby little paws on a Reclaimer either
You Monsters!!! You threw soo Much gasoline on the Fire with those "Odyssey is 1 Up the Carrack and its the Ultimate explorer..." WOW
Jared, I want you to know that you have made me grin or laugh every time an ISC drops. Thank you.
MISC has amazing ships, and this is the crown jewel.
And all the gameplay to support them :/
Endeavour?
@@Munky84 The Endeavor is an Odyssey-killer. It's really the ultimate multipurpose ship. The ultimate multitool that lets players have ultimate control over how they want to play the game. It's the best MISC ship.
...until something even better gets concepted.
After watching this, I really do hope they'll redo the Reclaimer with the same treatments as they did for this ship. I always feel Reclaimer's internals were rushed. There are so many empty spaces inside that you don't see. Reclaimer does need more rooms and specialized rooms like a medic bay and engineering room.
Everyone knows the Reclaimer needs a rework, same as the Starfarer, but until they get close to being actually usable, spending time redesigning them is a waste, so dont expect anyone to touch the Reclaimer until after T1 salvage, probably a long time after that considering the limited extent of T1 salvage.
@@canniballistic555 Yeah, I pretty much expected that. I also think Reclaimer might become bigger since they pretty much upscale some things after Reclaimer was brought into the game. 300i was a good example of that.
Few years ago, I did my own revision on Reclaimer design and mechanic wise. After much consideration brainstorming, I decided that the big claw need to be replaced with a big jaw, with a "throat" conveyor to pull the scraps into the multistep grinding/processing in the belly. That way, you don't have that awkwardness of controlling the claw into the body at the rear. I posted my works on the forum, but I think it got lost somewhere since there was some forum change since then.
@@VincentNacon Im pretty sure it already increased in size once during the metric changes, which is why it doesnt fit at Oli anymore.
It has a lot of design issues, mostly the interior though, and its not clear how the salvaging process works for the ship but I dont think the claw is used to move ships or salvage, but rather to cut large ships up so that tractor beams can move those pieces to the underside of the ship, where the grinder is.
I believe the rear access is specifically for small ships to be hand salvaged or salvaged in a similar but reverse way to the Crucibles repairing tools which were shown off a long time ago.
@@canniballistic555 PO had increased those landing pads temporarily to give Reclaimer and 890j (iirc) owners a place to spawn their ships. Once they gave the ability to spawn them elsewhere they returned the PO pads back to their original size. Never understood the decision myself. The video of the Reclaimer sliding into PO on an emergency landing was one of the best ever.
Honesty so happy to see the Hull A looking good! Just love the design. When the Hull A comes to the verse it will most likely be my daily driver.
Timestamps
0:00 Odyssey concept art and presetation
5:00 Sprint Report: Hull A Exterior: Final Art; Interior: Greybox
5:37 Sprint Report: Hull C Interior: Final Art
6:00 Sprint Report: Sure Grip Tractor
6:14 Sprint Report: Refueling and Refining with Starfarer
6:42 Sprint Report: Vulture Interior: Final Art
6:58 Sprint Report: Scorpius Exterior: Whitebox
7:35 Sprint Report: Merchantman Interior & Exterior: Whitebox
9:25 Sprint Report: Something special
thanks jared, now im gonna spend the rest of the night thinking about that ending.
lol same
The BMM Hanger looks big af! Also the Scorpius wings folding in like that makes me want go get 2! Woo
I always stick around till the end. We love you Jared, thank you.
You're the best Jared! Thank you for the bit at the end, looking forward to more!
What I would love to see is a full blown movie, built around the Star Citizen lore with the ships and locations in game! That would be the ultimate teaser!
I love the way you present things Jared, that's my jer.. my guy ! Much love !
I don't think people appreciate how awesome it is that a developer shares first pass gray boxing on ships.
The Q&A will define the odyssey. It doesn’t have a lot of the pathfinder capacity that the carrack does.
“Carrack killer”
ISCs like this are the reason I stay subbed. Keep having fun Jared & co.
I thought the Carrack was billed as the "ultimate explorer". I love the Odyssey concept, but how long until there's yet another "ultimate exploration ship"? Will the Carrack be revisited to bring it up to this new level of "ultimate", as it was originally billed?
The carrack still has modules to be added. I guess one of the modules may be an extra fuel tank.
It's called power creep and it's bad for games. In this case it's the result of the desire to sell ships. In other words, the ship sales model is leading to poor game design decisions that affect game quality.
Carrack has far more features than this ship.
Why would the first exploration ship be the ultimate one? Use your brain.
@@enwerd7050 lol I’m using their words, but thanks for the thoughtful response!
Oh Jared, I love you so much. Your gentle voice and the way you deliver your lines like you're talking to a child really make me feel safe. Thank you Jared for being so special and for volunteering your time to make these unbelievably amazing videos! If anything ever happens to you, I don't know what I'll do.
The Odyssey is now officially my favorite ship, I can't wait to stand on the bridge I hope that the captain's chair actually says captain's con. And the merchantman may take it's place on the favorite ship of all time list, this is going to be fantastic. Then there is the Vulture yet another ship I am looking forward to seeing in the verse, Well done, keep up the great work and thank you.
they just need to make that door connecting the vehicle bays bigger and I'm sold!
i just love the MISC design motif, its my favourite with origin just behind it
Chis Roberts. Thank you for creating a dream. When you first launched I felt like, finally someone has the same mind set as I. There have been times I would catch myself day dreaming about a Carrack landing in an open field a pilot coming out waving me own. I know dorky but thats why they are dreams. Keep up the great work!!!
You got one thing right, it is a dream.....
To the end watcher and MiSC fan, this is my episode of 2951, thx Jared and the video team for your great work this year!
just look at that, I don't know how you guys accomplished this but everything about this just attracts me to this game.
The color/shape/size everything just looks right. I Cant wait for server meshing and whole gameplay loops to come online to make it a living breathing universe
Thinking that one day I will be living in this ship doing all kinds of things such as waking up in bed one day and looking out the window seeing that my friend is still flying through unknown worlds while knowing there is a living breathing universe out there just makes me :)
Amen brother. We all cannot wait until this happens.
It's really nice but I'm feeling that they missed the marked slightly to the bottom left. They just don't see it right now. It's all about game play and how the ship functions smoothly with the rules and regulations in which they manage the game.
Also, these adventures have to be financed. Sounds like we cannot use the mining laser for profit, just to refuel. If we bring a prospector than we lose a possibility. If we bring a repair ship we lose a possibility. If I go exploring, I want to go down to planets and moons, enter caves and collect data and items that may bring me a good payout. We might need a RoC, Ursa rover, and maybe an MT cyclone for defense to cover ground expedition. They say that the game will develop in a way which will require to travel for weeks to discover new features. The idea that we have to travel in large groups is flawed. Each ship requires multiple people to be effective. Just imagine organizing and maintaining all those individuals on long expeditions understanding the characteristics and habits of gamers, we have O.C.D.. We change what we want to do daily, life happens and we don't show up! I think they need to give this ship a little more solo abilities otherwise it will flop until atleast until the game is better developed.
I'm new to this game. What is server meshing and whole gameplay loops?
I am excited about the Starfarer and BMM updates. And the Voltron thing ruled. Jared, you're good.
Now...putting phrases like "Carrack killer" and "ultimate exploration ship" in the video is really pretty low. The Odyssey is clearly meant to be a competitor to the Carrack with differences that balance them against each other, but terms like this play on the emotions of people who are afraid that the ship they have is no longer the ship they need, so they have to spend the extra money to "upgrade".
It can be waved off as the devs just providing their opinions, but it's obviously going to influence the decisions of people with vulnerable wallets. The CIG marketing and sales machine is getting exhausting.
I’m soooo glad they used those two statements to clarify that the Odyssey won’t have to hold hands with the Carrack to navigate to the far reaches of space. Although I would like some clarity on its navigation capabilities.
I think it was all humor. Internett full of Carrack killer headline, they just played ball with the outcries on the interwebs!
@@tropicthndr I believe the Carrack is supposed to have superior mapping and scanning tools with regards to space itself (jump points/anomalies/whatever), while the Odyssey is more geared toward resource collection. This is why I feel like it's a bit disingenuous. People hang on every word from the devs and they know it.
They're good people, but this felt a little egregious.
@@enth1980 I hope so.
Very excited for the ship tractor beam functionality!
I'm glad I stayed till the end
I melted every ship I had for store credit to get this baby. This ship literally has everything I always wanted in this game. Amazing job creating the Odyssey, hats off to the dev team!
thank you so much for reworking the Starfarer's interior. It is partly really cool (crew bunks, crew area, kitchen, bridge) but partly so unnecessarily useless (captains area, no lift from ground floor to first, the gangway etc.) Huge thank you for that!
How exactly will exploration work in the finished game? When the game releases there are supposed to be about 70 systems, but those are all known, with bunch of info on them. So whats there to explore? Would love to hear what yall think!
There's gunna opertunities to sell data to interested parties. If one can find a very dense collection of ore, a newly discovered jump point (which is supposed to be a thing), or even if you've found a planet where land claims might be nice.
end result is its supposed to be infinite or nearly
I’ve wonderer about that often too. Like with the Carrack, we can "map new jumppoints". Great, but there will be a few hundreds, which will probably be mapped by some very dedicated people within weeks of SCs final release. They need to give such things a lot of thought (and I think they do)
From my recollection, certain jump points will be discoverable. Including the location of new areas.
I also believe even though currently we can see all the jump points easily, in the release version you will have to purchase the data of these jump points.
Also exploration encompasses mining areas, space anomalies, derelicts, etc.
From what I can tell science/data running/exploration are all the same thing. And seem to be used interchangeably
@@quuaaarrrk8056 Jump points are supposed to be a phenomenon that change constantly. So if you chart one, that single specific chart will only be accurate for so long, before it becomes outdated and needs to be charted again
Its great to see these big ships getting further and further in the pipeline!
Especially seeing all the different styles inside! Its art , man. Straight art
At least they have different jobs in the verse - for me, the Carrack is still the technical explorer, drones, carthography, deep palnet scanning, vulcan exploration, etc. - while the Odyssey is a living- and nomadship, you leave the homeport, going out there and start to live there, not coming back, to explore the outer world, by finding and visit this world out there - for me, completely different playstyles
and both are great - WOOOHOOOOOO :-D
I agree
Thank you so much for having a wonderful open mind. So many others have fallen for the "Carrack Killer" thing. *High Five*
@@RamboVital Thx - *High Five*
Ok, that stinger at the end was fun. You are still the right man for ISC, Jared
Sooo.. what happened to your promise of the Carrack being the "top tier explorer"?
They made all the money from it. Time to move on to the next NEXT carrack.
MISC competition and bragging rights.
This did annoy me although both ships fit different exploration disciplines its annoying to see certain features on the Odyssey which they said they couldnt put on the Carrack.
Bigger Hanger?
Bigger vehicle Bay?
Why does the Odyssey (a non direct combat ship) have better turrets than the Carrack? An Anvil ship designed to work inside combat fleets?
Being in the Carrack on long expeditions, why wouldnt I have a medium fighter in my hanger? at a push a heavy fighter?
@@TheNiallharris yeah, wish it had a slightly bigger hanger for at least any light fighter.
Holy Chris Robert I love these updates! Cannot wait for the Corsair!
I hope compatibility with the upcoming Fire mechanic will be part of the Starfarer rework. It’d make sense that botching Refueling or Refining could cause a fire to break out which then needs to be extinguished.
As if this game wasn't exciting enough already, the background music in this video really compliments that nostalgic feel.. I can't wait for this game to release.
OMG PICOTRON! Great episode! The ships are looking fab. Nice to see the early shots of the BMM, and the Odyssey is looking great. Please don't use ladders where a quick lift would be better! :D
Picotron logic;
Voltron=5 Robot Tigers combined.
Picotron=5 Rafts combined.
Wow that ending Merchantman animation test was absolutely awesome. I can't wait to see that ship shape up through the whitebox.
Noice. Can‘t wait for the Odyssey. Also, that BMM engine room.
The odyssey is the ultimate exploration ship
Laughs in Endeavor
Calling the Odyssey a Carrack-killer and the "ultimate exploration ship" honestly feels like backstabbing Carrack owners, especially those who've pledged for a Carrack many years ago when the Carrack was supposed to be the supreme, self-sufficient exploration ship. I'm all for having more options from different manufacturers, but please don't make it sound like the Carrack will be obsolete.
Jeah it really feels like that
I feel like the redesign was all the backstabbing I needed...
well i see the carrack having it's place with jump points and higher risk areas, the carrack has drones, the oddy does not and is much bigger, but we will have to see where the balance comes in.
I have a hard time not understanding how Carrack owners were not betrayed right here. We were promised the best exploration ship... well it was that for nearly a year (of alpha gameplay with no exploration to speak of).
Lol, "backstabbing", The Carrack is the same ship it was the day you purchased it.
I'm waiting for the day they start making this ship flyable, then I will trade up from my Carrack. It's a beautiful ship with everything I want for Pyro
Carrack owners be like:
"I don't want to play with you anymore"
exactly what my thought process was when i melted the carrack
Yeah this last episode really has me on the fence now where before I was pretty sure I’d stick with the Carrack. I’m a sucker for modularity though so that still a plus for the Carrack. I’ll grab a CCU just in case I change my mind though.
@@duiliopalmeri7092 WHY!!!! Why would you do that. Did you not research both ship before melting. Dude. Odyssey has no exploration equipment.
Starfarer rework! The first contender for the worst designed ship is getting an uplift. Can't wait for the big turtle to be more than a fun experiment to run people new to the ship through.
Will it Blend? WEEOO
Odyssey smoke... Don't breath that
Ah yes, the age old classic dad joke of spectrum.
WEEOO
I am just as happy as my friends when the Odyssey arrives in Star Citizen😃
The Odyssey that we truly need.
So glad I stayed to the end. Made me chuckle some as a 80s kid
The BIGGEST news sneaking under the radar here is BUILDING BLOCKS SCREENS... Macos, get ready for your system wide broadcasts!
Yes, this was the buried lead of ISC this week. If it works out, this paves the way for landing, security, astronomical telescope, tractor beam, and maneuvering cameras in the future.
I just died!!! I loved Voltron as a kid!!! I had all the lions that linked together. Thank you Jared and CIG!
CIG we like your game and we want to support it.
There is no need to have the developers act like marketing douchebags and call Odyssey a carrack killer.
it's very much possible it could be his personal hyped opinion just as outside development people have
Stop getting personally attached to ships. If you bought ships for the skae of buying yourself the best possible start instead of supporting the project , then thats already where you made a mistake. Maybe use your carrack to earn an odyssey ingame. Thats what people who bought the basic starter package will do anyways. I will use my freelancer to earn an upgrade to a drake corsair. Starting off with a capital ship only makes sense if you have a group of dedicated players.
@@snakeace0 I don't own a carrack. It's just funny the clumsy attempts at marketing by people who have no idea how to market something.
You would never see a Mercedes-Benz ad saying "2021 model is the 2020 model killer.
Then again you don't see assembly workers advertising cars. Cause at Mercedes they act like professionals.
Yes! now its so much more worth it to watch till the end of the video! Thanks Jared
We NEED Titan Suits THAT DO THAT, Especially After that Mecha Goodness. 😳.....🤯
Looks like a great ship. It's becoming abundantly clear that fuel management will be an important consideration for any pilot, especially with Pyro apparently set to be much larger than Stanton. For an explorer of all things to be self-sufficient in this regard, to me at least, seems like a paramount feature. I expect CI will receive a lot of pledges for this ship; the versatility and support of a ship like this could provide a lot of value to a fleet
Wow, man... these guys are on fire! They're finishing a lot of things lately. I'm genuinely surprised with them. Good job, everyone!
This game is going to be a mark in history.
I would not surprised if they arrive with the entire Pyro system completely done next year. Not just one planet, but the entire system, you know?
Yeah I have a feeling that sending Jax McCleary to Pyro was a strong hint for them possibly having IAE there next year. Just a guess.
@@stannistargaryen Hmmm while this is a seductive idea I'm quite sceptical about an IAE in an outlaw system, yet Jax special reports directly from Pyro could be more realistic imho.
@@davidhonnay1540 Yeah good point, That would make sense. I still hope Pyro can be visited by next IAE never the less.
I wouldn't class the odyssey as a Carrack killer. They are two very different ships that occupy the same role. Carrack being a targeted exploration vessel scanning anomalies and navigating newly discovered jump points. The Odyssey an off the cuff meandering explorer. Both super cool though. Almost think the Odyssey hanger could hold two ships one on top the other its pretty deep.
Disappointing to hear the devs say the Odyssey is a 'Carrack killer'
Now this is the discovery ship like star trek. It feels like space at home where the crew is on a mission to traverse space and find unknown species or objects, I will look forward to enjoy exploring contract and explore the wonders of star citizen space
If its a "Carrack killer" then it's not a "Carrack competitor." I have spoken.
I will point out that it was Paul Jones, *the Art Director,* that called it a "Carrack killer". The reason I point this out is that, unlike John Crewe, Paul Jones has no impact on the the capabilities or performance of ships in game. So in other words, beyond aesthetics he has about as much say on the Odyssey as the average backer.
John Crewe, *the guy in charge of all ship development,* was the one that characterized the Odyssey as a competitor to the Carrack. And I would take John Crewe's characterization on how ships are intended to compare to each-other over basically everyone else at CIG other than Chris Roberts!
I laugh at you good sir. For the Odyssey can't explore for its missing all the exploration equipment. The Odyssey is in fact a jack of all trades, master of none type of ship.
@@Areanyusernamesleft you're not wrong. But I think Paul captured how it was sold by marketing more than John did. The spirit of the thing you might say. I would rather they get the message straight. Be clear in what they are selling.
I want a plushie of Raftron. It's so cute.
so you make the Carrack the ultimate exploration ship. People buy them. Then you make the Odyssey which is the new "ultimate exploration ship". come back next year for the next ship which will be the ultimate exploration ship. Seriously wtf. Let it compete but in different areas not just outclass the Carrack in every way
I know right, it's just as horrible as how the Caterpillar outclasses the Mustang Alpha in every single way!
Man, the Odyssey gives me such Enterprise (from Star Trek) vibes. 10/10
I feel for the Carrack owners
I feel for my wallet, I have both the Carrack and Odyssey....
Don't, at the end of the day complementarity will be the key.
I own a Carrack. I'm Fine with it.
That Misc Odyssey is one amazing looking ship! One day hopefully I can afford it.
This ship looks amazing and it 's cool that you guys are working on it, but what about all the other ships that are older and still in concept. I feel like you guys need to stop the new concept ship to catch up with what you have promised and have yet delivered. This ship would be nice once everyone got their purchased ship flyable in the verse. The price it being only the front half of the endeavor feels overpriced.
New ships make more money.
The idea was meant to be that the ships that were needed for S42 were going to be made first, which was a decision even older than the newer one to prioritise features for S42, but at this point it seems just odd that new ships for professions not anywhere near playable in the PU keep popping up.
@@canniballistic555 That was 2 years ago when Squadron 42 BETA was just a few months away, now it's "when it's ready". The PU is almost ready for full launch imo just add refuel, salvage, and repair. The rest of the promised locations and features can drip in every year after launch when we have full persistence and can earn ships in game that will not be wiped.
@@invader218 I dont want to spend the time to unpack all that, so I'll just say I respectfully and whole heartedly disagree with the entirety of what you wrote.
@@canniballistic555 OK whatever man, still waiting to get to play a game here.
The ending Lol... Ok, so definitely getting the Odyssey. The bridge reminds me of a 1st gen star trek bridge, very cool.
Odyssey and Ion just read like power creep, encouraged by the ship sales based business model. In other words, the business is undermining the design of the game. The whole point of crowdfunding was to avoid such traps. A lot of people are beginning to pick up on this implicitly or explicitly.
Dislike. Have to say it as youtube won't show it anymore.
The Ion seems to be overpowered, yes. But they'll balance it later. They'll have to , unless they want to see only that ship in the verse. The Odyssey on the other hand isn't over powered, just overstated. The Carrack has a bunch of features that it lacks, so it's not really overshadowed by the Odyssey.
@@chrishudson9525 Like what? Map room is redundant, repair drones aren't even half as good as having s4 shields... What else.
9:37 All hail our glorious leader Pico-mech.
Did you guys really allow someone to say in the recording that "In my mind its a Carrack Killer"? That was literally why the community was in an uproar over this ship. It makes people think you are designing future ships to make the old ones obsolete. Poor decision imo..... Comments like that are the reason I dont put more money into the game to help with development
lol carrack space dad malding
Thanks Jared, love the RafTron gag, that was epic.
The Carrack is nice but the Odyssey is clearly far more superior in so many ways. Never thought I'd like a MISC ship but this one's simply amazing.
I love my carrack but the odyssey reminds me so much of the Prometheus. Love the aircraft cockpit aesthetic despite the visibility. Seems really grounded to how we might make an interstellar ship in real life.
Plus that hangar and vehicle bay look so much better, really excited for this. RIP to my carrack.