Ginette Neveu Plays Ravel Tzigane
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- For those of you who don't know who Ginette Neveu was, she was the 16 year old who beat out David Oistrakh to win the Wieniawski Competition in 1935. Oistrakh was 27 years old at the time.
I don't know why, but Ginette's playing is so hypnotizing...I loved how she played Chausson poeme... Her eyes were so deep...I liked how Ivry Gitlis talked about her in the film "the art of violin"...:)
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One hears this inspired an interpretation of a piece of music once in a century. This is the best. C'est si beau qu'on ne peut s'empêcher de pleurer, mais c'est de joie.
This live performance of Neveu in New York is so convincing, real, poetic and savage, with such precision, left hand pizzicato truly projective, fantasist, sensual. Everything is there. Neveu was really a concert performer and gave it all to the public. Her bow technic is amazing.
my mother who played violin spoke me sometimes of this excellent violinist who died still young; probably a few persons know her; it is a pity......
Hello Mimi! Funny that I see you again, here! RUclips is sort of a strange "city," where like in a real city, you might meet some people at the store one day, and a couple of days later, you see them again in the neighborhood coffee shop! Yes, Ginette Neveu was a wonderful violinist, one of the few women at the time having an international career, unlike today, where, I am glad to see, women are increasingly in every field! So your mother was a violinist? My father is a violinist, and my mother is a pianist, but they both retired fairly recently, at the "young" age of 80!! The public at large may not know of Neveu, but among musicians, she is much appreciated, as she left an important legacy, both musically, and as an inspiration for women! Yes, like Lili Boulanger, she died before her time, as did Christian Ferras, Michael Rabin, and Josef Hassid (it is truly horrible what they did to Hassid...) Have you heard Ferras' (ruclips.net/video/o-8cPNUPmI8/видео.html), or Rabin's (ruclips.net/video/4gFbjXjp_AE/видео.html) Tzigane? They are also wonderful interpretations of this piece!
She was amazing, she came to Sydney after the war and played the Sibelius concerto. I wasn't born ... but I have an old friend who attended the concert at Sydney Town Hall.
If i'm not mistaken many people know her. She's indeed a renowned violinist of her time, I trust any French person would acknowledge that.
i think what makes her performance here amazing is not so much the intonation (although incredible), but rather the subtle use of dynamics and accents to make a truly intense sound. magnificent
Thank you so much for letting us hear and see this.Ginette Neveu was such an incredible violinist. What an appalling loss being killed in that air accident. Such incredible tone and ability. I actually met a man who played in an orchestra as viola when she did her Sibelius recording.I think the Philharmonia. He said it was very foggy that day. He absolutely raved about her.
Her emotional latitude is so enormous and to think she was so young makes her all the more remarkable.
God given sensitivity and talent.
Well, after getting my hands on the complete box set of Ginette Neveu, I can safely say that she was simply a better violinist than Oistrakh at the time. This is not just my opinion either. All of the Oistrakh groupies/fanboys will say everything negative about Neveu to explain why Oistrakh didn't win the competition. You can agree or disagree but the fact is that she won fair and square. End of story.
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Neveu's playing here displays her enormous talent. Fabulous role model! Thank you so much for posting this recording!!
These all are amongst my true favourite violinists. The viola player I mentioned before said that on the day when recording the Sibelius,she actually made her neck blead a little, as she was practising in the intervals of the recording. Apparently the recording was made in a very famous hall ( lots of recordings were done there). He said there was a very heavy London fog that day. London used to get terrible fogs. Thanks so much for posting this video.
Well, Oistrakh was not actually as talented as other great violinists, at least in the pure inborn sense. However, like you say, it was his incredible work ethic and dedication that made him so great. In fact, I have always thought of Oistrakh as the perfect counterpart to Menuhin, who had more pure talent than just about any musician this century. Oistrakh is also great as a role model to other musicians because he proved that talent is not everything. I respect this about him above all else.
Goodness knows what went on in the heads of judges at the competition.I always love Oistrakh's playing.The booklet with a CD I got of Neveu recently, said that the panel particularly liked her fiery Tzigane in the competition.A friend of mine played in an orchestra when she made the Sibelius recording etc.He thought she was a fantastic player.One can't judge totally by recordings made in vastly different years too.
one of the first she got everything sorted and under control with the touch of a very persuavist lady - bloody lovely
God, their styles are so completely different, it is amazing. While I love Neveu's fire (she is probably the most intense violinist in history) and her personality, I also appreciate Oistrakh's tone (not only is it warm but incredibly smooth and round as well). However, Neveu simply has more character than Oistrakh ever had, which was probably why she was so entrancing in live concerts.
I think that talent for each individual is different. The world got child prodigies such as Heifetz, Menuhin, Neveu here who bloomed at an early age however, Oistrakh was someone who didn't reach his full bloom until his late 20s...when he won the Ysaye competition (Now known as Queen Elisabeth competition)....
There must have been a good reason for the outcome of that competition. Neveu was considered to be a child prodigy, unlike Oistrakh, which may be one reason why she won at such a young age. I couldn't find out much info about the competition but I know it was held in two stages in 1935, so the argument that Oistrakh "had a bad day" is most likely wrong. Also, Oistrakh didn't receive internation acclaim until he won the Ysaye Competition in 1937.
@aimson... Heifetz is totally my favourite as well, and I think it is great to have all old violinists there are, because every violinist is perfect in his way, which is why I love the old violinists much more than the ones today, because nowadays everyone has to be able to play everything, from Mozart to Winiawski which is stupid, because you cant develope in your special personal way!
Absolutely wonderful! A dark, weird quality that moves to a seductive, mysterious feeling. Love it!!!❤️
I love Oistrakh's Clair de Lune. To me,that proves he was the most superb violinist around.I agree about his incredible smoothness and round.I once heard him play a chamber music together with the fabulous Rostropovitch and others many years ago in London.Both those men produced a superlative tone quality.
Talking about Neveu, I do like her Sibelius.
Wow. She is truly one of the greatest violinists of the twentieth century.
There is nobody better than Oistrakh. He is the greatest of all times because he played true music and he was a true artist and not just a machine. Music is not sport.
I absolutely agree with your comment. Hard work sometimes more important than pure talent. It is nice to have some ability to start with,but to be a good(not even great,but good) musician one have to put a lot of work in it.
Yeah, what a tragedy (among others such as Ferras and Rabin). Someday I will have to go out and buy her recording of the Sibelius, I'd be interested to hear it. I only have her playing Chausson, Brahms & Beethoven concertos.
Awesome! TY for posting.
That's AMAZING ¡¡¡ what an incredible vibrato ... BRAVO ¡¡¡
they took it personally then, that's the difference... music, rather then product heard with digital microphones. do you like music? i don't know, it is so EVERYTHING, it's frightening. they lived it so.
Personally I hate music competitions.I read on the sleeve of my CD of Neveu, that the jury particularly liked her fiery Tzigane. I have always adored Oisatrakh's playing and apparently he was such a genuinely lovely humble person.Obviously the fire did it for her. Personally I like Oistrakh's playing far the best.Superbly beautiful warm tone.A friend of mine played in a London Orchestra at that time. He heard Neveu and thought she was fantastic live.
are you sure it was her strad? I beleive she had a guadanini, and I saw once on French TV a scene when a French pianist (bernard ringeissen), coming back from the canary island (where the crash took place) showing to etienne vatelot, the great french violin maker, the scroll of a violin presented as being ginette neveu's violin. Vatelot immediately recognised the scroll and confirmed it was a piece from her Guadanini.
I couldn't agree with you more, I can't listen to any classical music while I'm doing any sort of work or I'll get distracted.
If Neveu hadn't died in a plane crash at just 30 years old, she would certainly be one of the greatest 20th century violinists. As she died so young though, her recordings are mean pickings.
wow!! she was fantastic!!! so sad how shes died though
The best I've listened to.
Superb performance!
this is too much to ignore, i was trying to study while listening to it;i cant:ITS TOO EMOTIONAL and STRONG
Thanks so much.
Good point. Just curious though, where did you get this information. I have tried researching reasons why Oistrakh didn't win and didn't come across anything about anti-semitism. I certainly find it very very likely though. However, how do you explain Oistrakh winning the Ysaye competition 2 years later? According to Wikipedia, he didn't really become world famous until after winning that competition.
Well, talent is definitely hard to quantify, but Menuhin was probably the greatest child prodigy of this century. He just didn't build his foundation as strongly as Heifetz or Oistrakh, which is why he lost his technique at later years. Obviously Oistrakh is talented, my point is just that I don't think he wasn't quite as talented as some of the other "greats." But I definitely agree with you on Heifetz - there is nobody better.
Yeah, that was my point about Oistrakh. I don't think he had as much inborn talent as the others but I admire him for his hard work and musicianship even more so. Not to say that Heifetz didn't have an incredible work ethic but it seems to pale compared to his talent more so than Oistrakh. Just to clarify, Oistrakh was 27 in 1935 and therefore was 29 when winning the Ysaye.
So much energy and anger. I love her.
OMG people! What are you talking about? Competitions do not prove ANYTHING! Both Oistrakh and Neveu are great great musicians and each have different interpretations, but it just stupid to say who's 'better'! It's not a sport! Nobody outruns anybody..
It's a matter of the taste.. Thanx for posting, I love this piece, but is it me or she made couple of mistakes? (or maybe it's just poor recording quality..)
oh lol, i dont have a video, only a CD,
Quelle violence et même quelle sauvagerie dans cette interprétation bouleversante. Inégalable
She Merited to win and in front of Oistrach;When she is playing is a human voice .
Something to mention:she worked at Paris conservatory with Jules Bouherit ,a friend of Jacques Thibaud,Alfred Cortot...
His wife was the great violinist Denise Soriano who was his pupil also.
And she was my teacher for 5 years!A great musicien,when she was playing,the violin had a soul!!I thank her for her lessons...
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amazing!!!! so much energy
She's unique...thank you aimson!
Vid cuts the first note :(
SUPERB!!
Unsurpassed till today
Потрясающее исполнение... что-то невероятное...
"A trágica morte de Neveu em um acidente de avião aos 30 anos privou o mundo musical de uma violinista que causou um tremendo impacto com o poder e a beleza de seu tom. Sua intensidade emocional faz com que suas gravações do Poema de Chausson e do Concerto para Violino de Sibelius sejam algumas das melhores e mais amadas do catálogo..."
(www.classical-music.com/features/artists/20-greatest-violinists-ever/2/)
In response to ipmoic. Corno di Bassetto the music critic (guess his real name) stated to Heifetz: (paraphrased here): "You should make a mistake young man as to not anger the Gods" Heifetz introduced to the modern music world the art of playing with out flubs and fluffs. He was the closest to perfection there was. It's not that the others made mistakes during recordings as much as it was their inability to really play the piece as it was written since it was to difficult to execute. They usually substituted an inferior passage hoping you would not notice. Oistrak has done it plenty of times.
@kidamnesiac35 -Marcel Cerdan-for those that do not know,was one of the finest middle weight boxers of all time.
One of Flesch's most acclaimed pupils.
I love the time that she puts in here - the only thing Heifitz missed
He missed just about everything. That is not to take away from Neveu, who is incredible!
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Yeah, point well taken - I am not a fan of competitions either. I was just responding to some of the naysayers who think Neveu is a hack and didn't deserve to win because somehow the jury was "rigged" against David Oistrakh. It wasn't true.
Glorious! Brava! TY.
It's funny that you mention wikipedia as being a horrible place for information because every site I found that talked about the Wieniaski competition said exactly what wikipedia said. But I definitely see your point, it isn't exactly the best place to get totally comprehensive information about anything in particular. If you ever find a more reliable source that talks about the Neveu upset, let me know :)
I didn't tell that my teacher was Ginette Neveu!!but of Denise Soriano;just I mentioned that both had Jules Boucherit as teacher at Paris conservatory and my teacher..Denise Soriano was the wife also of Jules Boucherit.
Lovely 👏
La magicienne du violon trop vite partie
incroyable!Sublime
war mir bisher unbekannt-grossartig diese violinistin
The whole orchestra follows her
Forever ever!
I agree; it's useless to waste time arguing over who is best - it is, to a large extent a matter of the piece and personal preferences. (i like nadja solerno sonnenberg)
you're absolutely right
On ressent un manque et un soulagement à la dernière note .
An extremely personal interpretation of Ravel.
she was 15 when she won!
amazing.
Edith Piaf wrote "I would have traveled thousands of miles to hear the great Ginette..."
also, i have Oistrakhs recording of THIS and i find it much better and less scratchy.
there's no such thing as the perfect music, it's different for everybody, so i don't understand why evryone fights because of it. anyway, for me this is an excellent interpretation of the song.
She have something that won't find in Heifetz:D but i proud all of them.
Merveilleux !
Wow! Pretty cool that you were her student for 5 years, could you please tell something about her?
She die on a plane crash, it is said that Ginette Neveu's body was found still clutching her Stradivarius in her arms.
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It's also quite encouraging for most people lol.
the comment here by Jack Gedzelman is the voice of a someone who cannot accept the reality that there are violinist who are NOT jewish (like the wonderous Neveu) who play beautifully. I notice that he has blocked ANYONE from replying to his posts, what a pathetic little troll. Here's a challenge, Mr Gedzeman, you post yourself playing THIS piece and let US crticise YOU.
Her playing is wonderful. She plays with determination and captures the wild madness at the end perfectly. This is my favorite interpretation. None has done it better.
Wow, she is really amazing. I don't think she's in any way better than Oistrakh, but she is pretty damn good. After reading the comments I realized that child prodigism is not completely relevant. I think Oistrakh is one of the greatest violinists of all time (2nd favorite), and if he can achieve what he did through hardwork, then child prodigism is completely unnecessary.
What is the sound at 3:41?
Souds like an alert from the system during the conversion process before upload :(
I dont think it has to do a lot of about anti-semitism,but more with Oistrach been less ready for competition. If you would read his biography,he was never called most talented student in his early years of life. He had to work a lot to achive great results.
Her playing is amazing,no wonder she won.
There is definitely a reason why Oistrakh's name continues to live on and she is all but forgotten. Oistrakh's performance of this piece isn't exactly the greatest, but it's much livelier. Heifetz & Rabin play Tzigane as it ought to be played; like a gypsy piece, and that's all Ravel meant it to be.
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I think while there is some sense in this, technique in itself should be somewhat subjective. All the great artists of the past have had individual techniques closely intertwined with their interpretive senses.
if you know of a violinist who plays this piece better than Ginette please tell...
is this live record? and what happened 2:08
@scottydscottd Can you play it for us instead criticizing? Maybe your interpretation sounds better?
How do u know Oistrakh participated in that?
is this live record?
Incandescent!
BRAVA!
And Ginette Neveu happened to die in the same airplane accident that killed Piaf's lover, french boxer Marcel Cerdan...
2:10?
Grat sound! A TERRIFIC INTERPRETATION!
oistrakh must have had a bad day that day lol
Yeah, I don't think her interpretation is the best either. Out of all that I've heard, I think I liked Isaac Stern's the best. That's just my own opinion, I don't expect others to necessarily share it.
Yes I know I am not perfect I didn't say that I am.Perfect was Heifetz and Milstein.