I’ve only been out a few times over the years but have given up on river fishing 90% due to these people. It disgusts me the way people are out there,I’m not saying all but definitely in my opinion 85% . Fishing to me is/has/was always about getting out relaxing in nature,but in my experience’s it was mainly stressful and rarely a positive experience,it’s sad because I truly enjoy it. I’d love to get back into it but unless I can’t figure out how to do so at the least over populated areas/times I will sadly not be returning 😢 . If anyone could please tell me of spots for people with mobility issues that can actually use them let me know, the couple spots I’ve been told about are always in use from those who don’t need them & won’t move for those of us that do . Thx for your videos hopefully people will learn from them.❤
Unfortunately, the more easily accessible a spot is, the more crowded it gets. The crossing and Peach rd are both easy access, but you have to get there early to get a spot, like 5 AM early.
so whats going to happen in 2024 fall season? anything different? more people would be my guess. Better enforcement? I believe the problem is a monster far bigger than what a small number of enforcement officers can clean up from top to bottom big issues and general problems. So no change there other than surprise closures etc. Thankfully honest people post good info to help those that want to learn, thanks for that, and it can put a shine on the vedder to attract people that may otherwise go to smaller streams
There are long term trends. It used to be that any kind of snagging was not tolerated on the Vedder by other anglers. Lately I find that there are some places where everybody is doing it and there is no will to stop it. Check out Ebi Fisher's channel and his video. I stopped by that spot later in the season and the same thing was happening. ruclips.net/user/shortspqbCnOLOYI0?si=mrfdd_w3K7FeX04Q
Greate idea on educating anglers👍 I am myself fairly new salmon angler and somewhat more detail oriented. And went throw the regulations a few time and stil have alot of questions... Last november, when i just began my salmon fishing i observerved this technique and set up which i proudly shared with a buddy at work and was gonna use the next time... He said it was flossing and illigal😅😢. The second time i hear the word is in your video... Also i find many people are quite ignorant about many other things...like when you suppose to have salt or fresh water license and concept of watershead boundaries. Mostly because they are ocasinall anglers and not much into it... Here in BC or may be whole Canada there is alot of grey area when it comes to rules and regulations, whether its fishing or driving and probably in many other areas. I saw one a mistake on government web update about catch limit, it was so cumbersome worded that it actually ment opposite of what they ment😅😢. I had to cross check with another sources..
I have a 1/2 hour video on my channel explaining B.C. salmon fishing regulations in detail. It's a couple of years old, but nothing much has changed. I will likely update that video this fall, as I've gotten much better at producing videos over the years.
Agree with you comments 100% and thank you for using your voice to educate others. The concept of an undercover sting is a very workable solution, if DFO can commit the resources. This tactic was applied very successfully during the pink run in 2017 on the Seymour estuary where at least 4 undercover officers were fishing amongst the crowd for at least an hour before the uninformed officers arrived. I saw many tickets and at least 4 set of fishing gear taken away. Word got around about the sting and fishing ethics improved dramatically during the following couple of weeks. It does work, if there is sufficient funding and commitment.
Well said. The main problem I see is 2 officers showing up at the crossing to write one ticket, it's inefficient. Even hiring extra staff to do surveillance during peak months might help.
It's time all of us locals start spreading the word of ethics. It's really hard fishing certain systems these days, Especially during salmon season. Some humans have zero respect for our resources. I'm Not Afraid To Speak Up.
You are correct, just be mindful of your safety. It's a catch 22, sometimes you speak up and it leads to a bad experience, and sometimes you don't speak up and end up feeling bad that you didn't. It took me a few years to learn to speak up without loosing my cool.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 Yes its a communication skill issue that i have. And the example you gave in the video is a good start for a no public speaker like me😅
Hi from Ontario. I feel the frostration that you are experiencing. Unfrotunatly i'm a bit shy to confront people that are commiting an offense, but I'm working on it. We should protect our sportfishing culture.
It's not your job to confront people. The government asks us to observe, record, and report. Just doing that helps a great deal. Even if they don't show up, more complaints helps them make better budget decisions for the future. Don't feel bad about leaving the confrontations to those of us with the confidence to do it.
Love your opinions, however I think what they did in this case was appropriate. While closing the area doesn’t stop the overall problem the point of this area being closed is because that is where the bulk of the sockeye are holding before going up to the cultus, which is the specific run they are protected. The problem of snagging is a separate issue that also needs to be addressed as you mentioned. The analogy of the speeders does not relate to this closure as it is only closed for a short time in a small small area to protect a specific run.
Communication from DFO is always super sparse. Come on, we live in the Digital Age, how hard can it be to put together a press release. Instead we get "due to observed non-compliance we're closing the area for two months".
Thank you Petr for sharing your perspective and experience. I whole heartedly agree with everything you said. We need more people like you out on the river. It breaks my heart to see people miss treat the fish. I hope we can all step up to the plate and do are part to help protect our very special fishery and educate people who don’t know better. Thank you petr for bringing this up, I believe this is a very important subject that does not get talked about enough. Keep it up! Tight lines! 🎣✌️
Can’t agree with you more, we all know where these people gathering, Vedder crossing, fisherman’s corner, Canal, so many of them and they took all the spots so no one else can squeeze in, that’s when they snagging, flossing, illegally retain Sockeye, wild Coho. To be honest, the best way to keep these people away from Vedder river is no retention any Salmon. These people come to the river just to harvest, not enjoy the game and nature.
I'm perfectly ok with people fishing for a variety of reasons. There is a wide range. Some people tie flies and then fish them with the tip of the hook clipped off. The sight of a trout taking their fly is all they want. On the other end of the spectrum we have people gill netting in the Fraser and selling the fish. Both are ok, as long as conservation goals can still be met. What really bothers me is people fishing with zero regard for the incidental harm that their actions inflict on the fish. We have rules, let's ensure that everyone plays by them.
Hi Peter Firstly thank you for your time and respect to the fishing community and fishery and making this video. I completely agree with what you said and I believe that closing the river to fishermen cannot be a reasonable solution, I think that more control for illegal fishing and using more force along the river can be a better solution to prevent illegal fishing. Good luck 👍
Educate and enforce. I'm looking forward to the video content with a trend towards education. The closure was needed. Next I hope they storm the river and ticket a few dozen people. I got checked in the canal 2 weeks ago which was great to see. They educated a few on license requirements for retaining chinook and steelhead, also great. But flossing has to go. Leader length needs to be implemented. As a fly only guy I'd happily run a 2' leader to comply with a more strict regulation.
Hey, I am trying to learn more of the niche fishing etiquette terminology and I heard you say something like "slurping floats"? What does that mean? I just don't want to be that person who's doing something unintentionally.
I was talking about the people that set their hook exactly where the fish are holding, regardless of whether they've had a bite. They do it every cast and claim they're getting bites. It's deliberate snagging and DFO has started issuing fines for it after ignoring the problem for many years.
Thank you for taking your time to share your thoughts about this very important issue. It’s a nightmare to me every time when I go fishing and I see people violating the regulations. It does screw my day. Some guys are definitely open to learn but I believe most of them aren’t unfortunately
You are right and right, but … you can’t educate poachers, they know that they are poaching it’s not a mistake or accident. Yea enforcement! and like the other comment said, take away poachers licenses and their vehicles 👍
I'm not so sure they all know. A lot of people just learn from their buddies and the cycle continues. Maybe I just want to believe people are more good than bad. When I started fishing for salmon almost a decade ago, I sure had very different ideas about what was proper than I do now.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 great work Peter and I hope your right but ignorance by poachers isn’t an excuse. Stiffer repercussions need to be implemented
Definitely they do use undercover tactics, but once that officer flashes their badge everybody else knows. I've had conversations about this with several officers over the years. Apparently it's quite difficult to prove deliberate snagging in court.
Yes, this has been happening to a small extent, but there is a definite lack of man power. I believe the officers try, but are constrained by limited resources. They have to triage between keeping illegal gill nets out of the Fraser and patrolling a hatchery enhanced river. Often they have to go where it's most important and they choose the Fraser.
@@petrhermanadventures9509a few simple sign with a few main points would go a long way and don't requires alot of funding and man power. That's what we have in many parks or by the crabbing piers. It would also encourage 'good' anglers to be on a lookout.
Well said Peter, I have my own questions about the timing of the closure as well. Was it not a week earlier the DFO dropped the salt limit to 1 chinook a day? Yet I’m hearing the salt season is showing good returns? The politics of this one stink to me, with zero observed enforcement/extra enforcement, I don’t believe their reasoning for one minute.
I have no evidence, but I would say this has more to do with the Somas First Nation fish monitoring efforts in that spot. I would guess it was the people running that station who observed the non-compliance and complained about it. The Somas First Nation is exploring ways for a selective harvest on the Vedder. I respect Aboriginal rights, but to put it in some perspective: the fishing community has invested millions of dollars (directly and through license fees) on habitat restoration on the Vedder. At the same time decades of reckless gill netting on the Fraser has caused many of those stocks to collapse. The talks about "reasserting stewardship" sound pretty hollow to me.
The problem with social pressure is sadly the threat of violence in retaliation. We saw the incident between the jet boater and shore angler last year. Sometimes good things come of it though. Down here in Washington at a popular spot for Chum I confronted someone for keeping a snagged Chum (A super dark fish too. Honestly their karma was probably having to consume the thing) only to be yelled at in return. The younger guy in the group approached me holding the stick they used to bonk the fish, I assumed he was coming over to threaten me. Fortunately, he happened to be an old high school classmate I didn't recognize. He quietly apologized for his parents behavior, and talked to me to learn about the regulations. I explained to him how much these fish matter to me, and why I tell people to follow the regulations.
That's a good example. I used to be much more militant about it, but nearly got in several fist fights and these days I keep it polite. Fortunately construction keeps my hand to eye co-ordination sharp and I'm not scared of people, but not everybody has that.
They had the perfect platform and easiest access to make a difference. I was there quite often fishing with a 18/24” leader fishing ethically and got punished for doing so because of “a group” of people. This just pushed the problem elsewhere and made it more difficult to bring my 6 year old to the river fishing with me (easy access and a park near by). I notice most flossers/snagging is used by fisherman using a piece of wool and ripping at the end of each drift, maybe focus on certain bans towards what can and cannot be used on the river to resolve the issue.
Yes, it's pretty obvious when someone is snagging, even when they try to say they are getting bites. Gear restrictions don't solve much because one can snag with pretty much any gear.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 I hear your frustration but that is not what has gotten us to this point and it is irresponsible to suggest that we should confront others. I love that you do but as an influencer that would suck if someone got hurt following your example. Too many crazies out there these days!
It's fairly easy to floss and snag with a float, in fact that's what most people are doing. Bottom bouncing with no float doesn't work well in this river.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 - interesting. I was not aware of that. (American fisher) I don't think I've seen that before. I always considered bobber fishermen as generally being more sportsman like; kind of like fly fishermen. I would have thought it would be harder to snag with a float as opposed to a jig.
I kicked 5 people out of the limit hole 3 days ago. Just walked up and told them they can’t fish there aswell as showing them the signs. Apparently they had no idea and we’re just trying to get away from the crowd. They were good about it and left. The problem with the crossing is the Facebook group of guys called Ksnaggers that talk with each other and actively aim to snag and floss fish.
Yeah, I was fishing up there the other day and saw a guy up stream casting into the limit hole. I started to walk up there to inform him of the boundary and he packed up and ran off when he saw me. Knew very well that he was poaching.
Hi Petr. I love your videos. I have lived in Delta all my life, and only realized a few years ago that we could fish salmon in the Vedder. I have been trying to learn where to go and what to do correctly, but as an over-60 female, I don't always fit in with the fishing crowd. Is there somewhere that you could suggest that one could learn the rules and etiquette? I read the regs and I ask a lot of questions at the Bait and Tackle stores. I also watch Fishing with Rod and I'm pretty sure I have never done anything illegal or unethical. However, I have also never caught a salmon in my 3 years of trying. Is there somewhere that I could go to get some hands-on help or maybe hire a guide for a morning? When I hear you say that you caught over a hundred salmon in a season I am both concerned and jealous. I would be happy with 20.
I seen it all I feel ya !!! Trust me !!! There is respect, and there is a lack of total respect for everything!!! Population growth and lack of ethics all apply to all systems!! Ask anyone how is " used "to be like 10 15 years ago. Compared today. Times have changed, and definitely DFO doesn't do enough to keep compliance, so ppl keep doing it !!! Love your content and keep up the good work!!! Someone gotta do it !!! Cheers
Thanks for the comment. I've been fishing here for almost 10 years. I have actually seen fish handling in general improve a lot over that time, but the snaggers seem to be multiplying of late.
Looking forward to your future videos that will help anglers be better. Last “disagreement “, fishing closures do have their place, whether it’s an area, a river, a time, or a species. While it may not solve “bad” fishing it protects the fish. Perhaps “bad” fishing is more our responsibility than the dfo. If the majority of us put pressure on “bad” fishing practices that would be way more eyes on than dfo can provide.
If they were observing these people, right on the spot DFO should just.... Fine them, Take away their licenses, vehicles, red flag their names in the system for poaching and ban them from getting any licenses for 10-15 years.... done!... Not close the river to all the angler's who are and have been following proper fishing practices and law.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 thanks for your respond so I think government should adde extra fee on licensing fees for more police for inforce those rules
Your right Petr this is brutal this is the reason I avoid those areas because i'm a fisherman not a DFO worker. I'm not out there to get angry i'm out there to fish and relax. DFO has 0 presence in these areas and 0 consequences for these "speeders" really need more presence and good example to be made. Maybe a more educational approach to as before you buy your salmon tag for the year you need to watch a video about how to fish properly and what is not allowed /illegal.
Yes, that is pretty common sense. You need a course to hunt, should need one to fish. Mind you the minimum fine now is $570, so that should motivate people to know the rules. 9 years on the Vedder I've had my license checked once and my gear never.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 I think we have harper to blame for severely cutting the DFO budget. I hope we can get some more presence or at least better education. Heck even a funny video making it common to shame bad behavior would encourage most people. Just like a hive mentality is creating /making it ok to snag fish it should be changed into shameful and negative to do so.
I'd be very careful asking the "fishing community" to take action and put "social pressure" on the bad anglers... some of those chilliwack river rats are just looking for an excuse to get aggressive and even physical with those THEY DEEM AS BAD ANGLERS. Once we give those "they took our jobbsss" people any form of support, I think the situation will turn from "fishing issues" to possibly criminal and life-altering issues. Either the DFO gets more funding and increase their presence, or further closures are expected to happen. Either way, Please don't ask the "fishing community" to take action, as there are so mannnnyyy bad apples, and lets be honest bad and racist people, amongst us. keep up the great work peter, you are appreciated.
Thanks for the comment, with thousands of people using the river, there will be all kinds represented. I've found the vast majority of people I meet to be good, but I was quite careful in my wording I think. It's been several years since I've seen any serious confrontations myself, but yeah it happens.
@petrhermanadventures9509 honestly I was too hasty and posted the comment as you mentioned social pressure earlier in the video. You did clarify that statement quite well later on. I was gonna delete it but I guess it's a point worth keeping in mind.
Bad and “rAcIsT pEoPle” lol so in other words white people who are tired of having two eyes and a brain and seeing that a certain community is 75-80% responsible for all the bad and illegal active on the river lol. This is why beta liberals should not be involved in this and problems will never get solved because solving the problem involves calling out the obvious majority committing these illegal activities and hurting your social Justice warrior hearts. So how about you stay out of this and stick to casting a line in your bathtub
Gotta agree and disagree with you. Where I disagree is that snagging has evolved. These guys are so good at it now it’s quite tough to tell and enforce who’s doing it. Leaders are just long enough to snag but short enough to deny. Floats are set deep enough to snag but short enough to claim there’s a deep spot in the run. Second thing is sockeye do bite and can be quite aggressive in the river. Plus they’ll bite a lot of the same gear as chinook. Where I agree is the statement says observed non-compliance. This means they were able to tell who’s snagging and instead of enforcing the rules they basically just said go do it somewhere else.
It seems painfully obvious to me when someone is snagging. Many people floss and pretend they're not, but I don't see that as the main problem as flossing is not prohibited in the regulations. Yes, many say that flossing is in fact snagging, but I don't see it that way. All fishing ethics are somewhat artificial in nature, I don't yell at my friends for buying fish caught in commercial nets. The way I see it everyone needs to play by the rules we have and there needs to be a mechanism to change the rules as ethics and attitudes evolve. In the final analysis we have to put conservation first and non selective fishing practices are a part of the problem.
I’m not talking about the guys who rip back multiple times in their retrieve. They’re obvious. I’m talking about the guys who can see the fish and as they go through them they claim they saw their float bounce or felt a hit and set the hook even though they didn’t get a bite. There’s more of those guys now and it’s going to be tough to enforce.
I'm sure they faced similar criticism. Shutting down a fishery because of the misdeeds of a minority is not fair. Our case was even worse, because they only shut down a 400 meter section of the river. That's no solution, just re-locating the problem.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 The problem with the eel fishery is that they only catch the young ones and ship them off vto Japan to be raised. When i was a kid, one of the neighbours was an older British lady who loved eel so we used to catch the adult eels for her, may 2 or 3 a week, and the area we caught them had loads of eels so we didn't hurt the population at all.
We need more radical solutions. For the highly fished locations like C/V river, there should be maximal days of fishing for each angler per year (comes with angling licence purchase) plus a maximal number of fish to be taken per year. There is technology how to secure all of this. If somebody wants to fish more than standard days, need to pay more or fish elsewhere.
I don’t snag in the traditional sense of like “flossing” or “bottom bouncing” because that’s lame but I am pretty new to this kind of fishing and sometimes I think I have a bite and I rip my float a little to set my hook. This isn’t something I’m doing every cast, so far I’ve sucked and I haven’t hooked into a fish, however. Is what I’m doing frowned upon?
Intent is a big part of the equation. It's very obvious to an experienced angler when someone is intentionally snagging. Some people try to be subtle about it, but you can't bullshit someone who knows how the game is played. Sounds like you're trying to do the right thing and you'll figure out the good ways soon enough.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 good to know. I’m just floating Rowe and soft beads and getting used to “the strike zone” and occasionally I guess I’ll drag on the top of a boulder im assuming and I get excited and try and set the hook. the vedder has been really slow for me! If you see a young dude in hip waders with a camo bag come say hi! I need tips haha
Yes, it needs to stop. Too many well meaning people turn a blind eye. Just calling in a complaint to DFO helps. Maybe not one complaint, but when they get hundreds, it gives them the justification to send more staff.
delivering fines to offenders would've been the right thing to do but law enforcement on all levels is lacking nowadays. your suggestion that they should've given out tickets is dead on. there was absolutely no deterrent displayed that day.
Hey Petr, Great video; it is presented in a great way. I 100% agree with you. I don’t like how DFO handled this situation, it hasn’t solved a single issue. I would of rather liked to see some undercover work done with heavy fines or even arrests. On top of all that, I’m starting to lose respect for the DFO, due to the way they handled this situation, clearly shows, that the DFO either doesn’t care enough to protect our stocks or are purposely being lazy, especially, when these snaggers have their own Facebook group, where they post the proof of them snagging and mistreating fish, yet the DFO closes there eyes to this. However, I did really appreciate FishingWithRod, posting several videos clips of a known snagger on his page yesterday and putting the snagger on blast; I also hope to see Fred remove that snagger from future steelhead derbies (as this snagger was apart of the derby last year and he did get a steelhead, which was most likely snagged). I really hope, that the DFO steps up their game for the upcoming fall salmon season, and hopefully puts a meaningful dent on the snaggers. Hope you have an amazing fall salmon season as well, hopefully we’ll see each other on the river!
I firmly believe that pretty much 100% of the people that go to work for the DFO do so with great intentions of protecting fish and fisheries, but they find themselves mired in government beurocracy and an apathetic legal system.
Over here in Scotland, some fishing practices have been banned as they were open to abuse, such as shrimp as bait, which at times can be deadly. I'm sure posted stretches of river for fly only would get rid of some of the idiots.
All fishing ethics and laws are somewhat artificial constructs and seek to strike a balance that gives some chance to the fish. Here we are dealing with straight up snagging which leads to a lot of injuries to the fish.
part of it is manpower. The way I see it, they have the money to fly their stupid helicopter around at $2000 per hour, why not put a few more officers on the ground instead.
your analogy of the highway is dead on. DFO maybe took the lazy way out, but i also feel for them. they are criminally understaffed and underfunded. Harper gutted them and now they function from a place of extreme lack of strength. i agree it is on us, the anglers to ensure things get better. too many anglers stay quiet in the face of someone fishing illegally. if we all make sure to let the person know they are breaking the law, even if they don't stop 'fishing' that way, they are probably going to leave for the day because everyone around them has told them they're breaking the law and they're gonna feel awkward. no need to get macho about it. i would also report any instances to the DFO.
Agreed for the most part. The DFO has chosen to cut field staff rather than administrative positions. Also they operate helicopters at $2000 per hour and spotter planes at something like $10 000 per hour instead of putting boots on the ground. I understand that they are working in the framework of an Ottawa buroucracy, but some of these things don't make sense to me. Certainly more reported infractions give them the paper trail to justify more enforcement and we need to keep that up.
Hi. Using your phone to record people may cause a fight as well as those people being bad know you are using the video for proof, just like downtown Vancouver fights.
If this makes people angry I don’t really care, it’s been said before on forums and it seems to be common sense, but we need to start calling out a certain community that is 75% to 80% responsible for all this garbage, and yes that is true, if that hurts your feelings I do not care, I have two eyes and have noticed it heavily especially the last 5 years.
The divide I see is largely along the lines of immigration status. Recent immigrants make up a fairly large part of the problem. I'm an immigrant my self, but I'm proud to call myself a Canadian and glad that the country accepted me. In return I accept that things are done a certain way here. In my home country the poacher is seen as a somewhat heroic figure (kind of like Robin Hood) , taking deer from the rich land owner to feed his family. In North America where the fish belong to us all, it's a different perspective and the poacher is the selfish one that killed Bambi's mother.
I think there should be mandatory test when obtaining a fishing license to start (fishing etiquette, fishing handling techniques, fish identifications, reading regulations). Just like when you go hunt, you don't just get a license and go out and hunt. Of course this isn't going to deter the people that don't follow the rules but it's a start. Also we need more reinforcements that's undercover to hand out fines.
Good vid Petr. The problem started in the Ninetys with the new Sockeye sportfishery, it spawned a whole new wave of poor fishing ethics and habits fishing on the Fraser and continue to all other rivers. This continued with Fraser R. chinook fishery. And the sportfishing world lost a great bar fishing past time, all due to flossing .Newbies need to relies this. Or we will be losing more privileges. It easier for DFO to close areas than legislate new laws and regulations. Maybe the Sporting Good Industry that benefits from all the fisheries (salmon,steelhead and trout) need to take greater interest in providing workshops at sportshows , in house , or on the river at problem fishing sites. I am 69 years old and fished Chilliwack R since I was 5 years old and i've pretty much stopped fishing in salmon season because of all you mention.
Is this ban over the entire popular area? I was around earlier yesterday and had no idea this was taking place. I wanted take my friends to vedder to try fishing some early salmon this weekend but I guess thats not happening anymore. I also saw you mentioning seeing very few red chinooks coming in these days. Any suggestions for alternative fisheries to check out in the mean time? Regulations are a difficult problem, I've ran into some very rude people at vedder last year cutting my line and threatening violence, claiming I'm using illegal hooks when I'm very carefully using single barbless. There should be a license suspension that comes with repeated offenses, and people really should be more aware of the rules knowing they are there to keep the fish coming for generations. Really like your videos and keep being nice and reasonable out there!
I don't think that it's so much race as immigration status. I'm an immigrant myself, but I don't believe that gives me a right to practice my cultural ways here on the river. In my home country poaching is seen in an entirely different way than here. There are many cultures that have an entirely different approach to the treatment of fish and animals and the exploitation of nature. It's my opinion that it's up to immigrants to accept and conform to Canadian ways. Can't drive here like you would in Italy, same applies to fishing.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 sorry I disagree, and I think most anglers with two eyes do as well. There’s plenty of different cultures of immigrants here, but one sticks out like a sore thumb when it comes to illegal activity on the rivers.
Telling the truth isn’t racist. Don’t let anybody tell you otherwise. We’re in a time now where it’s okay to tell white people to f they are in the wrong, but people cry and play the race card whenever white people call out anybody out.
I couldn’t agree with you more Peter ! They need to start handing out heavy fines and confiscating gear and vehicles. It’s the same people every year they will never learn. They know what they are doing is illegal they just don’t give a shit because all they get is a slap on the wrist.
Lack of funding is also a problem. 9 years on the Vedder, I've had my license checked once and my gear never. I think they're down to 5 officers for the region at the moment.
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I think it’s great! Some fishermen are have no edict!
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I’ve only been out a few times over the years but have given up on river fishing 90% due to these people. It disgusts me the way people are out there,I’m not saying all but definitely in my opinion 85% . Fishing to me is/has/was always about getting out relaxing in nature,but in my experience’s it was mainly stressful and rarely a positive experience,it’s sad because I truly enjoy it. I’d love to get back into it but unless I can’t figure out how to do so at the least over populated areas/times I will sadly not be returning 😢 . If anyone could please tell me of spots for people with mobility issues that can actually use them let me know, the couple spots I’ve been told about are always in use from those who don’t need them & won’t move for those of us that do . Thx for your videos hopefully people will learn from them.❤
Unfortunately, the more easily accessible a spot is, the more crowded it gets. The crossing and Peach rd are both easy access, but you have to get there early to get a spot, like 5 AM early.
so whats going to happen in 2024 fall season? anything different? more people would be my guess. Better enforcement? I believe the problem is a monster far bigger than what a small number of enforcement officers can clean up from top to bottom big issues and general problems. So no change there other than surprise closures etc. Thankfully honest people post good info to help those that want to learn, thanks for that, and it can put a shine on the vedder to attract people that may otherwise go to smaller streams
There are long term trends. It used to be that any kind of snagging was not tolerated on the Vedder by other anglers. Lately I find that there are some places where everybody is doing it and there is no will to stop it. Check out Ebi Fisher's channel and his video. I stopped by that spot later in the season and the same thing was happening. ruclips.net/user/shortspqbCnOLOYI0?si=mrfdd_w3K7FeX04Q
Greate idea on educating anglers👍
I am myself fairly new salmon angler and somewhat more detail oriented. And went throw the regulations a few time and stil have alot of questions...
Last november, when i just began my salmon fishing i observerved this technique and set up which i proudly shared with a buddy at work and was gonna use the next time... He said it was flossing and illigal😅😢.
The second time i hear the word is in your video...
Also i find many people are quite ignorant about many other things...like when you suppose to have salt or fresh water license and concept of watershead boundaries. Mostly because they are ocasinall anglers and not much into it...
Here in BC or may be whole Canada there is alot of grey area when it comes to rules and regulations, whether its fishing or driving and probably in many other areas.
I saw one a mistake on government web update about catch limit, it was so cumbersome worded that it actually ment opposite of what they ment😅😢. I had to cross check with another sources..
I have a 1/2 hour video on my channel explaining B.C. salmon fishing regulations in detail. It's a couple of years old, but nothing much has changed. I will likely update that video this fall, as I've gotten much better at producing videos over the years.
Great video Peter !
Glad you think so!
at least now you can swim around with the sockeye there
I did. Jeremy and I cleaned the place up and it was nice to see them stacked up in there.
Agree with you comments 100% and thank you for using your voice to educate others. The concept of an undercover sting is a very workable solution, if DFO can commit the resources. This tactic was applied very successfully during the pink run in 2017 on the Seymour estuary where at least 4 undercover officers were fishing amongst the crowd for at least an hour before the uninformed officers arrived. I saw many tickets and at least 4 set of fishing gear taken away. Word got around about the sting and fishing ethics improved dramatically during the following couple of weeks. It does work, if there is sufficient funding and commitment.
Well said. The main problem I see is 2 officers showing up at the crossing to write one ticket, it's inefficient. Even hiring extra staff to do surveillance during peak months might help.
yes please more of this.
It's time all of us locals start spreading the word of ethics. It's really hard fishing certain systems these days, Especially during salmon season. Some humans have zero respect for our resources. I'm Not Afraid To Speak Up.
You are correct, just be mindful of your safety. It's a catch 22, sometimes you speak up and it leads to a bad experience, and sometimes you don't speak up and end up feeling bad that you didn't. It took me a few years to learn to speak up without loosing my cool.
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Yes its a communication skill issue that i have. And the example you gave in the video is a good start for a no public speaker like me😅
Hi from Ontario. I feel the frostration that you are experiencing. Unfrotunatly i'm a bit shy to confront people that are commiting an offense, but I'm working on it. We should protect our sportfishing culture.
It's not your job to confront people. The government asks us to observe, record, and report. Just doing that helps a great deal. Even if they don't show up, more complaints helps them make better budget decisions for the future. Don't feel bad about leaving the confrontations to those of us with the confidence to do it.
Love your opinions, however I think what they did in this case was appropriate. While closing the area doesn’t stop the overall problem the point of this area being closed is because that is where the bulk of the sockeye are holding before going up to the cultus, which is the specific run they are protected. The problem of snagging is a separate issue that also needs to be addressed as you mentioned.
The analogy of the speeders does not relate to this closure as it is only closed for a short time in a small small area to protect a specific run.
Communication from DFO is always super sparse. Come on, we live in the Digital Age, how hard can it be to put together a press release. Instead we get "due to observed non-compliance we're closing the area for two months".
Thanks Peter.
Welcome, thanks for watching.
Great video!
Thanks for sharing your ideas!
Also looking forward to the educational videos!
I'll work on it in September, summer schedule is already full.
Thank you Petr for sharing your perspective and experience. I whole heartedly agree with everything you said. We need more people like you out on the river. It breaks my heart to see people miss treat the fish. I hope we can all step up to the plate and do are part to help protect our very special fishery and educate people who don’t know better. Thank you petr for bringing this up, I believe this is a very important subject that does not get talked about enough. Keep it up! Tight lines! 🎣✌️
I appreciate your kind comment.
Very well said Petr can not agree more with your words ..
Thanks for watching, I appreciate the comment.
Can’t agree with you more, we all know where these people gathering, Vedder crossing, fisherman’s corner, Canal, so many of them and they took all the spots so no one else can squeeze in, that’s when they snagging, flossing, illegally retain Sockeye, wild Coho. To be honest, the best way to keep these people away from Vedder river is no retention any Salmon. These people come to the river just to harvest, not enjoy the game and nature.
I'm perfectly ok with people fishing for a variety of reasons. There is a wide range. Some people tie flies and then fish them with the tip of the hook clipped off. The sight of a trout taking their fly is all they want. On the other end of the spectrum we have people gill netting in the Fraser and selling the fish. Both are ok, as long as conservation goals can still be met. What really bothers me is people fishing with zero regard for the incidental harm that their actions inflict on the fish. We have rules, let's ensure that everyone plays by them.
Hi Peter
Firstly thank you for your time and respect to the fishing community and fishery and making this video.
I completely agree with what you said and I believe that closing the river to fishermen cannot be a reasonable solution, I think that more control for illegal fishing and using more force along the river can be a better solution to prevent illegal fishing.
Good luck 👍
Thanks for the great comment. I believe things can be improved and fairly quickly too, but it won't necessarily be easy.
Appreciate this video!
Thanks. I had mixed feelings about making it, but in the end I couldn't just sit on the sidelines and say nothing.
Educate and enforce. I'm looking forward to the video content with a trend towards education. The closure was needed. Next I hope they storm the river and ticket a few dozen people. I got checked in the canal 2 weeks ago which was great to see. They educated a few on license requirements for retaining chinook and steelhead, also great. But flossing has to go. Leader length needs to be implemented. As a fly only guy I'd happily run a 2' leader to comply with a more strict regulation.
Thank you for your feedback, much appreciated.
Hey, I am trying to learn more of the niche fishing etiquette terminology and I heard you say something like "slurping floats"? What does that mean? I just don't want to be that person who's doing something unintentionally.
I was talking about the people that set their hook exactly where the fish are holding, regardless of whether they've had a bite. They do it every cast and claim they're getting bites. It's deliberate snagging and DFO has started issuing fines for it after ignoring the problem for many years.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 oh gotcha. Thanks. I didn't even know that was a thing people tried haha
Thank you for taking your time to share your thoughts about this very important issue. It’s a nightmare to me every time when I go fishing and I see people violating the regulations. It does screw my day. Some guys are definitely open to learn but I believe most of them aren’t unfortunately
It definitely varies by area. There are many spots on the Vedder where nobody is snagging, I encourage you to find them.
You are right and right, but … you can’t educate poachers, they know that they are poaching it’s not a mistake or accident. Yea enforcement! and like the other comment said, take away poachers licenses and their vehicles 👍
I'm not so sure they all know. A lot of people just learn from their buddies and the cycle continues. Maybe I just want to believe people are more good than bad. When I started fishing for salmon almost a decade ago, I sure had very different ideas about what was proper than I do now.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 great work Peter and I hope your right but ignorance by poachers isn’t an excuse. Stiffer repercussions need to be implemented
Looking forward to more videos to better my fishing skills.
I'll definitely put that in my fall schedule.
I lived at a busy spot pre-flood. They do have undercover oficers
Definitely they do use undercover tactics, but once that officer flashes their badge everybody else knows. I've had conversations about this with several officers over the years. Apparently it's quite difficult to prove deliberate snagging in court.
Undercover fishery officers is the way to go. Hand out fines and take their gear.
Yes, this has been happening to a small extent, but there is a definite lack of man power. I believe the officers try, but are constrained by limited resources. They have to triage between keeping illegal gill nets out of the Fraser and patrolling a hatchery enhanced river. Often they have to go where it's most important and they choose the Fraser.
@@petrhermanadventures9509a few simple sign with a few main points would go a long way and don't requires alot of funding and man power. That's what we have in many parks or by the crabbing piers. It would also encourage 'good' anglers to be on a lookout.
Great video i completely agree with u i think the dfo should have taken a different aproach
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate it.
Well said Peter, I have my own questions about the timing of the closure as well. Was it not a week earlier the DFO dropped the salt limit to 1 chinook a day? Yet I’m hearing the salt season is showing good returns?
The politics of this one stink to me, with zero observed enforcement/extra enforcement, I don’t believe their reasoning for one minute.
I have no evidence, but I would say this has more to do with the Somas First Nation fish monitoring efforts in that spot. I would guess it was the people running that station who observed the non-compliance and complained about it. The Somas First Nation is exploring ways for a selective harvest on the Vedder. I respect Aboriginal rights, but to put it in some perspective: the fishing community has invested millions of dollars (directly and through license fees) on habitat restoration on the Vedder. At the same time decades of reckless gill netting on the Fraser has caused many of those stocks to collapse. The talks about "reasserting stewardship" sound pretty hollow to me.
dfo can just fish like any1 else undercover and ticket them harshly
Yes, they do some undercover work, but it's quite a bit of time for an officer to do that and then write just one ticket.
The problem with social pressure is sadly the threat of violence in retaliation. We saw the incident between the jet boater and shore angler last year.
Sometimes good things come of it though. Down here in Washington at a popular spot for Chum I confronted someone for keeping a snagged Chum (A super dark fish too. Honestly their karma was probably having to consume the thing) only to be yelled at in return. The younger guy in the group approached me holding the stick they used to bonk the fish, I assumed he was coming over to threaten me. Fortunately, he happened to be an old high school classmate I didn't recognize. He quietly apologized for his parents behavior, and talked to me to learn about the regulations. I explained to him how much these fish matter to me, and why I tell people to follow the regulations.
That's a good example. I used to be much more militant about it, but nearly got in several fist fights and these days I keep it polite. Fortunately construction keeps my hand to eye co-ordination sharp and I'm not scared of people, but not everybody has that.
They had the perfect platform and easiest access to make a difference. I was there quite often fishing with a 18/24” leader fishing ethically and got punished for doing so because of “a group” of people.
This just pushed the problem elsewhere and made it more difficult to bring my 6 year old to the river fishing with me (easy access and a park near by). I notice most flossers/snagging is used by fisherman using a piece of wool and ripping at the end of each drift, maybe focus on certain bans towards what can and cannot be used on the river to resolve the issue.
Yes, it's pretty obvious when someone is snagging, even when they try to say they are getting bites. Gear restrictions don't solve much because one can snag with pretty much any gear.
Keep the dfo on speed dial and report. Don’t confront.
That's good advice, except the "don't confront" mind set has gotten us to the point we're at now. For sure put your own safety first.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 I hear your frustration but that is not what has gotten us to this point and it is irresponsible to suggest that we should confront others. I love that you do but as an influencer that would suck if someone got hurt following your example.
Too many crazies out there these days!
You have some really interesting ideas. I think a bobber only regulation would work really well.
It's fairly easy to floss and snag with a float, in fact that's what most people are doing. Bottom bouncing with no float doesn't work well in this river.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 - interesting. I was not aware of that. (American fisher) I don't think I've seen that before. I always considered bobber fishermen as generally being more sportsman like; kind of like fly fishermen. I would have thought it would be harder to snag with a float as opposed to a jig.
I kicked 5 people out of the limit hole 3 days ago. Just walked up and told them they can’t fish there aswell as showing them the signs. Apparently they had no idea and we’re just trying to get away from the crowd. They were good about it and left. The problem with the crossing is the Facebook group of guys called Ksnaggers that talk with each other and actively aim to snag and floss fish.
Yeah, I was fishing up there the other day and saw a guy up stream casting into the limit hole. I started to walk up there to inform him of the boundary and he packed up and ran off when he saw me. Knew very well that he was poaching.
Hi Petr. I love your videos. I have lived in Delta all my life, and only realized a few years ago that we could fish salmon in the Vedder. I have been trying to learn where to go and what to do correctly, but as an over-60 female, I don't always fit in with the fishing crowd. Is there somewhere that you could suggest that one could learn the rules and etiquette? I read the regs and I ask a lot of questions at the Bait and Tackle stores. I also watch Fishing with Rod and I'm pretty sure I have never done anything illegal or unethical. However, I have also never caught a salmon in my 3 years of trying. Is there somewhere that I could go to get some hands-on help or maybe hire a guide for a morning? When I hear you say that you caught over a hundred salmon in a season I am both concerned and jealous. I would be happy with 20.
Fine them and take their gear. We’re too nice up here in Canada, we need stiffer penalties .
Yes, many canadians are too polite to say anything. It's a nice quality, but being a door mat is not good either.
I seen it all I feel ya !!!
Trust me !!!
There is respect, and there is a lack of total respect for everything!!!
Population growth and lack of ethics all apply to all systems!!
Ask anyone how is " used "to be like 10 15 years ago. Compared today.
Times have changed, and definitely DFO doesn't do enough to keep compliance, so ppl keep doing it !!!
Love your content and keep up the good work!!! Someone gotta do it !!! Cheers
Thanks for the comment. I've been fishing here for almost 10 years. I have actually seen fish handling in general improve a lot over that time, but the snaggers seem to be multiplying of late.
Looking forward to your future videos that will help anglers be better.
Last “disagreement “, fishing closures do have their place, whether it’s an area, a river, a time, or a species. While it may not solve “bad” fishing it protects the fish. Perhaps “bad” fishing is more our responsibility than the dfo. If the majority of us put pressure on “bad” fishing practices that would be way more eyes on than dfo can provide.
Ripping your float, sorry never heard of it. I'm all ears.
LOl, shouldn't be too hard to find someone on the Vedder to teach you how. Try Fisherman's corner in September.
If they were observing these people, right on the spot DFO should just.... Fine them, Take away their licenses, vehicles, red flag their names in the system for poaching and ban them from getting any licenses for 10-15 years.... done!... Not close the river to all the angler's who are and have been following proper fishing practices and law.
yes, I think most of us feel the same.
Need tougher rules and more power to protect fish from bad fisheries
I think the rules are pretty tough and clear already, we just need those rules to be followed and consequences for those that don't.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 thanks for your respond so I think government should adde extra fee on licensing fees for more police for inforce those rules
Your right Petr this is brutal this is the reason I avoid those areas because i'm a fisherman not a DFO worker. I'm not out there to get angry i'm out there to fish and relax. DFO has 0 presence in these areas and 0 consequences for these "speeders" really need more presence and good example to be made. Maybe a more educational approach to as before you buy your salmon tag for the year you need to watch a video about how to fish properly and what is not allowed /illegal.
Yes, that is pretty common sense. You need a course to hunt, should need one to fish. Mind you the minimum fine now is $570, so that should motivate people to know the rules. 9 years on the Vedder I've had my license checked once and my gear never.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 I think we have harper to blame for severely cutting the DFO budget. I hope we can get some more presence or at least better education. Heck even a funny video making it common to shame bad behavior would encourage most people. Just like a hive mentality is creating /making it ok to snag fish it should be changed into shameful and negative to do so.
I'd be very careful asking the "fishing community" to take action and put "social pressure" on the bad anglers... some of those chilliwack river rats are just looking for an excuse to get aggressive and even physical with those THEY DEEM AS BAD ANGLERS. Once we give those "they took our jobbsss" people any form of support, I think the situation will turn from "fishing issues" to possibly criminal and life-altering issues. Either the DFO gets more funding and increase their presence, or further closures are expected to happen. Either way, Please don't ask the "fishing community" to take action, as there are so mannnnyyy bad apples, and lets be honest bad and racist people, amongst us. keep up the great work peter, you are appreciated.
Thanks for the comment, with thousands of people using the river, there will be all kinds represented. I've found the vast majority of people I meet to be good, but I was quite careful in my wording I think. It's been several years since I've seen any serious confrontations myself, but yeah it happens.
@petrhermanadventures9509 honestly I was too hasty and posted the comment as you mentioned social pressure earlier in the video. You did clarify that statement quite well later on. I was gonna delete it but I guess it's a point worth keeping in mind.
Bad and “rAcIsT pEoPle” lol so in other words white people who are tired of having two eyes and a brain and seeing that a certain community is 75-80% responsible for all the bad and illegal active on the river lol. This is why beta liberals should not be involved in this and problems will never get solved because solving the problem involves calling out the obvious majority committing these illegal activities and hurting your social Justice warrior hearts. So how about you stay out of this and stick to casting a line in your bathtub
Gotta agree and disagree with you. Where I disagree is that snagging has evolved. These guys are so good at it now it’s quite tough to tell and enforce who’s doing it. Leaders are just long enough to snag but short enough to deny. Floats are set deep enough to snag but short enough to claim there’s a deep spot in the run. Second thing is sockeye do bite and can be quite aggressive in the river. Plus they’ll bite a lot of the same gear as chinook.
Where I agree is the statement says observed non-compliance. This means they were able to tell who’s snagging and instead of enforcing the rules they basically just said go do it somewhere else.
It seems painfully obvious to me when someone is snagging. Many people floss and pretend they're not, but I don't see that as the main problem as flossing is not prohibited in the regulations. Yes, many say that flossing is in fact snagging, but I don't see it that way. All fishing ethics are somewhat artificial in nature, I don't yell at my friends for buying fish caught in commercial nets. The way I see it everyone needs to play by the rules we have and there needs to be a mechanism to change the rules as ethics and attitudes evolve. In the final analysis we have to put conservation first and non selective fishing practices are a part of the problem.
I’m not talking about the guys who rip back multiple times in their retrieve. They’re obvious. I’m talking about the guys who can see the fish and as they go through them they claim they saw their float bounce or felt a hit and set the hook even though they didn’t get a bite. There’s more of those guys now and it’s going to be tough to enforce.
@@andrewalblas9033 I'd settle for weeding out the obvious types, it's not a perfect world, but we can try.
Sh*t Enforcement 👮♂️Real poaching happens in the dark 🌚
Sad but true, I find weighted trebles in the river every year.
Same thing happened here on the East Coast with the baby eel fishery, a huge amount of poaching was going on, so DFO closed the fishery down.
I'm sure they faced similar criticism. Shutting down a fishery because of the misdeeds of a minority is not fair. Our case was even worse, because they only shut down a 400 meter section of the river. That's no solution, just re-locating the problem.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 The problem with the eel fishery is that they only catch the young ones and ship them off vto Japan to be raised. When i was a kid, one of the neighbours was an older British lady who loved eel so we used to catch the adult eels for her, may 2 or 3 a week, and the area we caught them had loads of eels so we didn't hurt the population at all.
We need more radical solutions. For the highly fished locations like C/V river, there should be maximal days of fishing for each angler per year (comes with angling licence purchase) plus a maximal number of fish to be taken per year.
There is technology how to secure all of this. If somebody wants to fish more than standard days, need to pay more or fish elsewhere.
I think it need not be that complicated, but it definitely could be upgraded to a classified water and the proceeds used for better enforcement.
I don’t snag in the traditional sense of like “flossing” or “bottom bouncing” because that’s lame but I am pretty new to this kind of fishing and sometimes I think I have a bite and I rip my float a little to set my hook. This isn’t something I’m doing every cast, so far I’ve sucked and I haven’t hooked into a fish, however. Is what I’m doing frowned upon?
Intent is a big part of the equation. It's very obvious to an experienced angler when someone is intentionally snagging. Some people try to be subtle about it, but you can't bullshit someone who knows how the game is played. Sounds like you're trying to do the right thing and you'll figure out the good ways soon enough.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 good to know. I’m just floating Rowe and soft beads and getting used to “the strike zone” and occasionally I guess I’ll drag on the top of a boulder im assuming and I get excited and try and set the hook. the vedder has been really slow for me! If you see a young dude in hip waders with a camo bag come say hi! I need tips haha
definitely need more dfo presence at the river the amount of times I see people ripping their floats on the river is brutal
Yes, it needs to stop. Too many well meaning people turn a blind eye. Just calling in a complaint to DFO helps. Maybe not one complaint, but when they get hundreds, it gives them the justification to send more staff.
delivering fines to offenders would've been the right thing to do but law enforcement on all levels is lacking nowadays. your suggestion that they should've given out tickets is dead on. there was absolutely no deterrent displayed that day.
Hey Petr,
Great video; it is presented in a great way.
I 100% agree with you. I don’t like how DFO handled this situation, it hasn’t solved a single issue. I would of rather liked to see some undercover work done with heavy fines or even arrests. On top of all that, I’m starting to lose respect for the DFO, due to the way they handled this situation, clearly shows, that the DFO either doesn’t care enough to protect our stocks or are purposely being lazy, especially, when these snaggers have their own Facebook group, where they post the proof of them snagging and mistreating fish, yet the DFO closes there eyes to this.
However, I did really appreciate FishingWithRod, posting several videos clips of a known snagger on his page yesterday and putting the snagger on blast; I also hope to see Fred remove that snagger from future steelhead derbies (as this snagger was apart of the derby last year and he did get a steelhead, which was most likely snagged).
I really hope, that the DFO steps up their game for the upcoming fall salmon season, and hopefully puts a meaningful dent on the snaggers.
Hope you have an amazing fall salmon season as well, hopefully we’ll see each other on the river!
I firmly believe that pretty much 100% of the people that go to work for the DFO do so with great intentions of protecting fish and fisheries, but they find themselves mired in government beurocracy and an apathetic legal system.
Really there's a snagging group on fb?
Whats the name of it?
Over here in Scotland, some fishing practices have been banned as they were open to abuse, such as shrimp as bait, which at times can be deadly. I'm sure posted stretches of river for fly only would get rid of some of the idiots.
All fishing ethics and laws are somewhat artificial constructs and seek to strike a balance that gives some chance to the fish. Here we are dealing with straight up snagging which leads to a lot of injuries to the fish.
why arent they going after them like a gravy train scaring the hell out of brutal anglers
part of it is manpower. The way I see it, they have the money to fly their stupid helicopter around at $2000 per hour, why not put a few more officers on the ground instead.
your analogy of the highway is dead on. DFO maybe took the lazy way out, but i also feel for them. they are criminally understaffed and underfunded. Harper gutted them and now they function from a place of extreme lack of strength.
i agree it is on us, the anglers to ensure things get better. too many anglers stay quiet in the face of someone fishing illegally. if we all make sure to let the person know they are breaking the law, even if they don't stop 'fishing' that way, they are probably going to leave for the day because everyone around them has told them they're breaking the law and they're gonna feel awkward. no need to get macho about it. i would also report any instances to the DFO.
Agreed for the most part. The DFO has chosen to cut field staff rather than administrative positions. Also they operate helicopters at $2000 per hour and spotter planes at something like $10 000 per hour instead of putting boots on the ground. I understand that they are working in the framework of an Ottawa buroucracy, but some of these things don't make sense to me. Certainly more reported infractions give them the paper trail to justify more enforcement and we need to keep that up.
You must be new to the river. The poor practices you mentioned have been happening for decades on the river.
Yup, just started fishing there last week.
take away their licenses and put them on government black list , ban them from fishing again for life time
open up the river
That's maybe a bit extreme, but the fishing culture definitely needs to change in order to protect the fish and the fishery.
Hi. Using your phone to record people may cause a fight as well as those people being bad know you are using the video for proof, just like downtown Vancouver fights.
This is true, like I said in the video, don't compromise your safety.
If this makes people angry I don’t really care, it’s been said before on forums and it seems to be common sense, but we need to start calling out a certain community that is 75% to 80% responsible for all this garbage, and yes that is true, if that hurts your feelings I do not care, I have two eyes and have noticed it heavily especially the last 5 years.
The divide I see is largely along the lines of immigration status. Recent immigrants make up a fairly large part of the problem. I'm an immigrant my self, but I'm proud to call myself a Canadian and glad that the country accepted me. In return I accept that things are done a certain way here. In my home country the poacher is seen as a somewhat heroic figure (kind of like Robin Hood) , taking deer from the rich land owner to feed his family. In North America where the fish belong to us all, it's a different perspective and the poacher is the selfish one that killed Bambi's mother.
I think there should be mandatory test when obtaining a fishing license to start (fishing etiquette, fishing handling techniques, fish identifications, reading regulations). Just like when you go hunt, you don't just get a license and go out and hunt. Of course this isn't going to deter the people that don't follow the rules but it's a start. Also we need more reinforcements that's undercover to hand out fines.
I agree 100%
Good vid Petr. The problem started in the Ninetys with the new Sockeye sportfishery, it spawned a whole new wave of poor fishing ethics and habits fishing on the Fraser and continue to all other rivers. This continued with Fraser R. chinook fishery. And the sportfishing world lost a great bar fishing past time, all due to flossing .Newbies need to relies this. Or we will be losing more privileges. It easier for DFO to close areas than legislate new laws and regulations. Maybe the Sporting Good Industry that benefits from all the fisheries (salmon,steelhead and trout) need to take greater interest in providing workshops at sportshows , in house , or on the river at problem fishing sites. I am 69 years old and fished Chilliwack R since I was 5 years old and i've pretty much stopped fishing in salmon season because of all you mention.
You're going to see a lot more vigilante and mob justice this season, mark my words. It's going to get violent.
Slickening of this method, this is why I do not fish this upper river when salmon is the target 😞
Is this ban over the entire popular area? I was around earlier yesterday and had no idea this was taking place.
I wanted take my friends to vedder to try fishing some early salmon this weekend but I guess thats not happening anymore. I also saw you mentioning seeing very few red chinooks coming in these days. Any suggestions for alternative fisheries to check out in the mean time?
Regulations are a difficult problem, I've ran into some very rude people at vedder last year cutting my line and threatening violence, claiming I'm using illegal hooks when I'm very carefully using single barbless. There should be a license suspension that comes with repeated offenses, and people really should be more aware of the rules knowing they are there to keep the fish coming for generations.
Really like your videos and keep being nice and reasonable out there!
The closed are is only 200 meters on each side of the white crossing bridge. The rest of the river is still open for salmon and trout fishing.
I don't want to sound racist but you know who is the mass majority of the staggers are. Lets fish together one day.
I don't think that it's so much race as immigration status. I'm an immigrant myself, but I don't believe that gives me a right to practice my cultural ways here on the river. In my home country poaching is seen in an entirely different way than here. There are many cultures that have an entirely different approach to the treatment of fish and animals and the exploitation of nature. It's my opinion that it's up to immigrants to accept and conform to Canadian ways. Can't drive here like you would in Italy, same applies to fishing.
@@petrhermanadventures9509 sorry I disagree, and I think most anglers with two eyes do as well. There’s plenty of different cultures of immigrants here, but one sticks out like a sore thumb when it comes to illegal activity on the rivers.
Telling the truth isn’t racist. Don’t let anybody tell you otherwise. We’re in a time now where it’s okay to tell white people to f they are in the wrong, but people cry and play the race card whenever white people call out anybody out.
I couldn’t agree with you more Peter ! They need to start handing out heavy fines and confiscating gear and vehicles. It’s the same people every year they will never learn. They know what they are doing is illegal they just don’t give a shit because all they get is a slap on the wrist.
Lack of funding is also a problem. 9 years on the Vedder, I've had my license checked once and my gear never. I think they're down to 5 officers for the region at the moment.
I have been fishing the vedder since I was old enough to follow my grandpa down the dyke. i have never been checked once @@petrhermanadventures9509
I'm 3 and 0 against vedder goofs lol
I've stayed away from the crossing this year, I don't like to get my blood pressure up like that.