Haha! It will be a long time before I am ready to take any money for this. I still have a lot of research to do to make sure I can make a great product and then it has to go through my long design, testing, and improvement phases. It's great to hear people are interested, but I can't hurry up the process too much. If I started releasing products before they were ready I'd loose the reputation I've built up over the past decade and that is much more valuable cashing in quick by releasing something 6 months too soon.
I realise that, a csm has been on my want list for quite some time. Just a little over excited that you’re putting time and effort into r&d on this product ☺️☺️☺️
@@DreamingRobotsBlog i gave up looking for one 15 years ago, because even if i could lay hands on one old machine (buying from Germany in US was allways Weird) -How to get it fixed When something breaks? All the new addy, prym and so on do only Knit fat yarn. You Give me (and Lots of others) new Hope!
Hubby said yes to ribber. He isn’t ready to invest a huge amount yet, since he’s never seen one, but he does love his wool socks. If you make different levels, I can see folks buying the less expensive to start, then upgrading once they see that they’ll use it.
Hi Maurice, yes definitely the ribber! There's nothing better than socks that stay in place! If you do 3 d printed ones to start I would invest I. One and if you do injection molded ones I would up grade.ive been looking for a sock knitting machine with a ribber.i think the metal ones would become too expensive.yes in the long run its probably the best. Thanks please put me on your csm list
Thanks for the feedback! There is no CSM list, but I do have a general email newsletter list. I send out one email per month and will include any CSM updates there. You can sign up for it at the bottom of www.dreamingrobots.com/
As someone who spent an astounding amount of money on an antique csm, I'm extremely interested to see what you can do with this. I would never have guessed that a spinning wheel could be made from plastic, so in my eyes you can totally figure this out. :)
This project is actually on hold since I have too many other things to do. Before I switched I started looking into other materials to make it work up to my standards. I will get back to this project sometime when I have more time.
I'm a flatbed machine knitter. This is the first time I've scene a CSM dissected . It's amazing how similar a CSM is to a flatbed. If flatten out the cylinder with the flippers you have a a flatbed carriage. I know your just one person but, competitor the Silver reed LK-150 with a ribbing bed is a dream of mine. I'm not sure where you're located but, drop me a line & I can donate an example if shipping isn't to insane.
I'm not actively working on the CSM because I don't have time for it. Once I ship a few more new products though I do plan to come back to the CSM. After the CSM I might look at a flat version and it sounds like you'd be a good person to talk to then. That will be a long ways off though.
@@DreamingRobotsBlog Happy to help. I'm very excited for your eventual cone winder. Knitting machines much prefer cones to any other put-up & cone winders that are both good & affordable are rare.
I know it is long after the fact, but I just found this and did your poll. I am wondering if you are still considering this. I am also wondering about your thoughts on cylinder size. How many needles (stitches) would you be thinking, and would you be able to adjust the tension to tweak the size a bit? Or would you consider selling exchangable cylinders, so that people could make socks in different sizes? Or did I fall asleep last night during that part of the video?
The ribber attachment is not just useful for knitting a sock cuff, but also for things like rib knit circular cuffs to be made for sewn garments. Id been considering designs for printing a csm and for friction purposes I was considering if the cam groove might be drilled and have pins for roller barrels to roll the needle butt to allow a smoother ride for the needle. Now the really impressive thing to figure out for one of these bad boys is some kind of punch card patterning system which is nigh impossible with a cam like this. Then again, Im not certain how the flat knitting machines do those either. Perhaps on a csm something that reads a strip moves the needle onto a track that rejoins the normal groove via a flipper? Hrm. I know such a mountain of design to make that work is more trouble than its worth but wow do I want it.
Ha, I am actually starting work on a design that does ball bearing for the exact purpose you mentioned the roller pins. I think the balls will work better, and I know I can get them at a low cost. I don't know if they will actually be needed, but I kind of want to try them and see what they do since the added cost isn't very much and it would potentially make it smoother and require less oil than other CSMs out there. Early on I thought about programmable CSMs. I decided to abandon that for now because I need a well working manual solution first. That said if I were to go with a programmable solution I'd do it electronically. Not only would this be easier to make patterns for, but I'm pretty sure it would be less expensive than a mechanical system these days. Electronics and programming also just happens to be something I'm good at doing.
I considered punch card programming because its very user friendly and doesn't need the learning curve of a program to operate though if one wanted to motorize it and automate it electronic would be all the way. I take back my madness of trying to manipulate the pins to do so, I'm now thinking a unit that guides yarns away from a particular hook so it stitches nothing on its pass, attached similarly to the ribber piece, would be infinitely easier. I was in the middle of sketching out parts to guesstimate the cost to have a machine shop mill a csm when I found this video, I think I'd rather give my idea to you and see it get done smoothly than wrangle production nonsense while someone else is making one too with more experience than me. That being said when the functional csm gets made Ill be trying to design a stitch programmer to that thing immediately c:
@@jla8700 There are a lot of CSMs out there that if you only want to focus on the stitch programmer you could use today as a base. I'm just trying to make one that is better and cheaper than is out there. As I mentioned I won't be working on the automated stich for a very long time. I'm not even sure if I'll be doing a CSM since I have to make sure I can actually make the improvements I want at a price that makes sense for my community. I wouldn't put too much faith in me since I still don't know much about CSMs. Original punch cards were for mechanical computers so I guess you are right that they are always programming. However, I am not convinced that a punch card will be easier than a touch screen that allows you to create a pattern. People familiar with punch cards probably prefer that solution, but that is not most people in the EEW community. My community is much more familiar with the touch screen on their phone so if I do eventually do something with a programmable CSM that is the direction I'd end up going.
Don't know if you're still accepting feedback a year later, but I just filled out your poll. Seems there are 2 complete machines available in thingiverse, but there is definitely room to design another option with improvements and possibly a different niche to satisfy the different market needs. Would love to see your creation realized.
Hi, the 3D printed CSM is already available on thingiverse, the real effort/benefit would be to add the ribber functionality, since it's not actually available on the different models available except for some ribber cylinder and stops, all the rest is missing (arm, cam, height adjustment, etc.).
I have looked at the CSM on thingiverse. I didn't like some of it's design decisions so I designed my own based on how I thought it should be designed. I would note that theirs would have a similar issue to what I mentioned in the video that a ribber can't really be reasonably attached. The design there would need some pretty large changes to be compatible with a ribber. That said I think having multiple competing CSMs is a good thing so if someone wants to start improving the CSM on thingiverse that would be awesome. It and it's branches haven't had much development in awhile. I am also not sure a ribber with a fully printed CSM is possible. At least the version I'm working on isn't as smooth as the metal CSMs and the ribber requires quite a bit more reliability if I understand how it functions (though I'd admit I'm not an expert on the ribber yet).
@@DreamingRobotsBlog I have made a remix for a Legare 400 Cylinder, that is "a work in progress". I planned to post on thingiverse later. I fully agree that a ribber is quite a challenge but I think that 3d printing is totally feasible as long as the design is oriented that way.
I'm so desperate for a CSM that I ache like a 14 year old lesbian with a crush on a straight girl. (Source: am lesbian.) I really hope you decide to take this project forward, I'd be throwing all kinds of cash at a kickstarter!
I had too many projects going at once so this one is currently on pause. I will start working on it again when I have time. I do think there are a lot of things that could be done with a CSM that hasn't been done before so I'm very interested to work on this more when I have the time.
There are a few options that exist. You can buy good antique CSMs for around $800+. You can buy new quality CSMs for $1600+. You can get 3d printed files to make your own CSM or buy a 3d printed CSM, but all the 3d printed CSMs have a similar design that aren't very good. Then their are circular knitting machines made out of injection molded plastic, but they don't work with finer yarns. This project would be something that targets the gap between the expensive CSMs and the not very good 3d printed ones that exist today.
@@DreamingRobotsBlog OK the other design is free so you could get those and modify them for better results. Sadly 3D prints will never be strong enough for the wear and tear of these machines, what needs to be metal is at least the inner rail that the butts of the needles will slide to go upwards or downwards. I mean if the part is 3D printed and some metal sheet can be inserted that would be very good. Also in those free designs the gear seemed to be clunky, 45 degree gear is not good for grip, the teeth need to interlock better (at least in those designs that I saw)
@@AlehandrosArhangelos What CSMs are you referring to? The one's I've seen are all CC-Non-Commercial meaning I can't actually modify them for my purpose. That said I probably wouldn't want to use the one's I've seen as a starting point anyways because they all rotate the cylinder which is pretty much a non-starter for most CSM users (I didn't realize this early on, but I now understand after having it explained to me). I also tend to agree that 3d printed parts won't work for some of the parts. The nice thing about 3d printing is it will let me prototype everything and then in my testing I can see what parts to move to other materials. I mentioned this in the video, but have made more progress on figuring out the pricing to go with metal parts and I'm pretty impressed with the costs being less than I thought for metal. I'm still early in my next design though so I really don't know what it will end up looking like yet. The more I look at modern metal CSMs, the more they look like old CMS. The thing is best manufacturing practices have changed a lot in the last 100 years. I think CSMs can be made both better and cheaper. That said I'm not an expert in all this and it's something I'm just trying to work through and ask my manufacturing partners questions when I need to. I am guessing the reason nobody has done a good modern CSM design is because there just isn't enough money in this hobby market for a serious effort from a bigger player.
@@DreamingRobotsBlog Yes the right way for a circular to work is for the piece to remain static and the outer part to rotate, cheap machines that do not use latch needles (like ALDI) move the piece and also these cheap 3D printed ones also rotate the piece being knitted so that is not a good way to start. It is super weird how you can buy new flat knitting machines with their ribber at a fraction of the cost of a circular one, and I am not sure if they even make new circular knitting machines, everyone seems to have an old second hand one. Second hand flat knitting machines with ribbers you can find them cheaper than second hand circular ones. I think the reason is circular is only made for socks and kinda a specific size, with flat knitting machines you can do circular as well but not circular+ribbing (you use the ribber to do the circle), so factories mass produced those and people preferred those as you can still make socks there but also real garments while the circular knitting can be in any size you want unlike the circular which is specific and only the tension could alter this. I have the feeling making the elaborate machine in circular is also harden than just flat machines that are just straight.
@@AlehandrosArhangelos New machines are being made - Erlbacher Gearhart to name one, Lamb LT150, Chambord Accuknitter and NZAK. They are pricey, but a joy to work with. Having Maurice make one will definitely allow more people to purchase one.
30 seconds in and I’m already yelling “shut up and take my money”
Haha!
It will be a long time before I am ready to take any money for this. I still have a lot of research to do to make sure I can make a great product and then it has to go through my long design, testing, and improvement phases. It's great to hear people are interested, but I can't hurry up the process too much. If I started releasing products before they were ready I'd loose the reputation I've built up over the past decade and that is much more valuable cashing in quick by releasing something 6 months too soon.
I realise that, a csm has been on my want list for quite some time. Just a little over excited that you’re putting time and effort into r&d on this product ☺️☺️☺️
@@DreamingRobotsBlog the nice thing about 3d printing though.....you dont have to sell the OBJECT...you can sell the plans.
@@DreamingRobotsBlog I am so glad you feel that way about your design work
@@DreamingRobotsBlog i gave up looking for one 15 years ago, because even if i could lay hands on one old machine (buying from Germany in US was allways Weird) -How to get it fixed When something breaks? All the new addy, prym and so on do only Knit fat yarn. You Give me (and Lots of others) new Hope!
took the poll before watching the video. I'm hooked on this.
Hubby said yes to ribber. He isn’t ready to invest a huge amount yet, since he’s never seen one, but he does love his wool socks. If you make different levels, I can see folks buying the less expensive to start, then upgrading once they see that they’ll use it.
That's a really good point!
I would invest! I’ve been wanting one for the longest
Interesting seeing how a CSM works. Heading to the poll now.
Hi Maurice, yes definitely the ribber! There's nothing better than socks that stay in place! If you do 3 d printed ones to start I would invest I. One and if you do injection molded ones I would up grade.ive been looking for a sock knitting machine with a ribber.i think the metal ones would become too expensive.yes in the long run its probably the best. Thanks please put me on your csm list
Thanks for the feedback! There is no CSM list, but I do have a general email newsletter list. I send out one email per month and will include any CSM updates there. You can sign up for it at the bottom of www.dreamingrobots.com/
Omg love this so far. You’ve got this Maurice.
Thanks for explaining everything in a way a non engineer can understand. Very helpful, and if you make one, I’ll definitely buy it.
I Start to Save Money to buy one 🥰
Filled in your survey. I would totally buy one! I would love to have a CKM.
As someone who spent an astounding amount of money on an antique csm, I'm extremely interested to see what you can do with this. I would never have guessed that a spinning wheel could be made from plastic, so in my eyes you can totally figure this out. :)
This project is actually on hold since I have too many other things to do. Before I switched I started looking into other materials to make it work up to my standards. I will get back to this project sometime when I have more time.
@@DreamingRobotsBlog Completely understandable. Thank you for the work you do. I hope you find it to be satisfying and fulfilling.
Definitely interested! This would be a great way to learn how to use a CSM before investing thousands.
I'm a flatbed machine knitter. This is the first time I've scene a CSM dissected . It's amazing how similar a CSM is to a flatbed. If flatten out the cylinder with the flippers you have a a flatbed carriage. I know your just one person but, competitor the Silver reed LK-150 with a ribbing bed is a dream of mine. I'm not sure where you're located but, drop me a line & I can donate an example if shipping isn't to insane.
I'm not actively working on the CSM because I don't have time for it. Once I ship a few more new products though I do plan to come back to the CSM. After the CSM I might look at a flat version and it sounds like you'd be a good person to talk to then. That will be a long ways off though.
@@DreamingRobotsBlog Happy to help. I'm very excited for your eventual cone winder. Knitting machines much prefer cones to any other put-up & cone winders that are both good & affordable are rare.
Yes, please! Very interested :D
I'm in! Hopefully it will be sold, I definitly want one! Keep up your good work
Thanks! I'm still working on early prototypes and a long way from having anything to sell. But I will keep people updated on my progress.
Hat knitting mahine is what is needed .
I would love to buy one from you. I like your ethics and sharing that you do. Please start a fund like you did for the e wheels
I know it is long after the fact, but I just found this and did your poll. I am wondering if you are still considering this. I am also wondering about your thoughts on cylinder size. How many needles (stitches) would you be thinking, and would you be able to adjust the tension to tweak the size a bit? Or would you consider selling exchangable cylinders, so that people could make socks in different sizes? Or did I fall asleep last night during that part of the video?
I didn't continue working on this. It is still a project I might consider in the future, but it would be a very long time before I get to it.
@Dreaming Robots I too just found this and I hope you do this. What I see so far I really like.
Doing an awesome job if I had a 3d printer I'd buy plans from u
Certainly interested!!
I’m very interested!
The ribber attachment is not just useful for knitting a sock cuff, but also for things like rib knit circular cuffs to be made for sewn garments. Id been considering designs for printing a csm and for friction purposes I was considering if the cam groove might be drilled and have pins for roller barrels to roll the needle butt to allow a smoother ride for the needle. Now the really impressive thing to figure out for one of these bad boys is some kind of punch card patterning system which is nigh impossible with a cam like this. Then again, Im not certain how the flat knitting machines do those either. Perhaps on a csm something that reads a strip moves the needle onto a track that rejoins the normal groove via a flipper? Hrm. I know such a mountain of design to make that work is more trouble than its worth but wow do I want it.
Ha, I am actually starting work on a design that does ball bearing for the exact purpose you mentioned the roller pins. I think the balls will work better, and I know I can get them at a low cost. I don't know if they will actually be needed, but I kind of want to try them and see what they do since the added cost isn't very much and it would potentially make it smoother and require less oil than other CSMs out there.
Early on I thought about programmable CSMs. I decided to abandon that for now because I need a well working manual solution first. That said if I were to go with a programmable solution I'd do it electronically. Not only would this be easier to make patterns for, but I'm pretty sure it would be less expensive than a mechanical system these days. Electronics and programming also just happens to be something I'm good at doing.
I considered punch card programming because its very user friendly and doesn't need the learning curve of a program to operate though if one wanted to motorize it and automate it electronic would be all the way. I take back my madness of trying to manipulate the pins to do so, I'm now thinking a unit that guides yarns away from a particular hook so it stitches nothing on its pass, attached similarly to the ribber piece, would be infinitely easier. I was in the middle of sketching out parts to guesstimate the cost to have a machine shop mill a csm when I found this video, I think I'd rather give my idea to you and see it get done smoothly than wrangle production nonsense while someone else is making one too with more experience than me. That being said when the functional csm gets made Ill be trying to design a stitch programmer to that thing immediately c:
@@jla8700 There are a lot of CSMs out there that if you only want to focus on the stitch programmer you could use today as a base. I'm just trying to make one that is better and cheaper than is out there. As I mentioned I won't be working on the automated stich for a very long time. I'm not even sure if I'll be doing a CSM since I have to make sure I can actually make the improvements I want at a price that makes sense for my community. I wouldn't put too much faith in me since I still don't know much about CSMs.
Original punch cards were for mechanical computers so I guess you are right that they are always programming. However, I am not convinced that a punch card will be easier than a touch screen that allows you to create a pattern. People familiar with punch cards probably prefer that solution, but that is not most people in the EEW community. My community is much more familiar with the touch screen on their phone so if I do eventually do something with a programmable CSM that is the direction I'd end up going.
Don't know if you're still accepting feedback a year later, but I just filled out your poll. Seems there are 2 complete machines available in thingiverse, but there is definitely room to design another option with improvements and possibly a different niche to satisfy the different market needs. Would love to see your creation realized.
Do Want! If it is printable..how would one get hooks?
If it's printable there would still be several parts not printable like the hooks. I would sell a kit with all of those.
@@DreamingRobotsBlog I would be very interested
Hi, the 3D printed CSM is already available on thingiverse, the real effort/benefit would be to add the ribber functionality, since it's not actually available on the different models available except for some ribber cylinder and stops, all the rest is missing (arm, cam, height adjustment, etc.).
I have looked at the CSM on thingiverse. I didn't like some of it's design decisions so I designed my own based on how I thought it should be designed. I would note that theirs would have a similar issue to what I mentioned in the video that a ribber can't really be reasonably attached. The design there would need some pretty large changes to be compatible with a ribber. That said I think having multiple competing CSMs is a good thing so if someone wants to start improving the CSM on thingiverse that would be awesome. It and it's branches haven't had much development in awhile. I am also not sure a ribber with a fully printed CSM is possible. At least the version I'm working on isn't as smooth as the metal CSMs and the ribber requires quite a bit more reliability if I understand how it functions (though I'd admit I'm not an expert on the ribber yet).
@@DreamingRobotsBlog I have made a remix for a Legare 400 Cylinder, that is "a work in progress". I planned to post on thingiverse later. I fully agree that a ribber is quite a challenge but I think that 3d printing is totally feasible as long as the design is oriented that way.
I would like one to make hats. I have an Erlbacher Gearhart already. Good luck.
Consider a Tuttle style rubber which is cinema shaoed and only requires one size of needles and cuts down on needle transfer errors and time
Wow I want one !!!!
Hello . how much is it if this machine used no new to give me in Egypt
I'm so desperate for a CSM that I ache like a 14 year old lesbian with a crush on a straight girl. (Source: am lesbian.) I really hope you decide to take this project forward, I'd be throwing all kinds of cash at a kickstarter!
i dont have a 3d printer but i would so buy one of those
Hi have you thought of designing a flat type knitting machine based on design of csm .I think a flat type machine of this type would be useful as well
Hi I would love one of these especially with a robber. How do I get one please
I had too many projects going at once so this one is currently on pause. I will start working on it again when I have time. I do think there are a lot of things that could be done with a CSM that hasn't been done before so I'm very interested to work on this more when I have the time.
Please let me know when your working on this again. Fabulous work
I'm guessing you know Dean and Bean's Sock Machine has already done this and apparently selling well though I would never pay $500 for one
I'm intrigued, but don't these already exist?
There are a few options that exist. You can buy good antique CSMs for around $800+. You can buy new quality CSMs for $1600+. You can get 3d printed files to make your own CSM or buy a 3d printed CSM, but all the 3d printed CSMs have a similar design that aren't very good. Then their are circular knitting machines made out of injection molded plastic, but they don't work with finer yarns.
This project would be something that targets the gap between the expensive CSMs and the not very good 3d printed ones that exist today.
@@DreamingRobotsBlog @Dreaming Robots Thank you! Wishing you well with the project.
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There is already a 3D printer knitting machine design for free.
Thanks. There are actually several. However, as I mentioned my goal is to make something better.
@@DreamingRobotsBlog OK the other design is free so you could get those and modify them for better results. Sadly 3D prints will never be strong enough for the wear and tear of these machines, what needs to be metal is at least the inner rail that the butts of the needles will slide to go upwards or downwards. I mean if the part is 3D printed and some metal sheet can be inserted that would be very good. Also in those free designs the gear seemed to be clunky, 45 degree gear is not good for grip, the teeth need to interlock better (at least in those designs that I saw)
@@AlehandrosArhangelos What CSMs are you referring to? The one's I've seen are all CC-Non-Commercial meaning I can't actually modify them for my purpose. That said I probably wouldn't want to use the one's I've seen as a starting point anyways because they all rotate the cylinder which is pretty much a non-starter for most CSM users (I didn't realize this early on, but I now understand after having it explained to me).
I also tend to agree that 3d printed parts won't work for some of the parts. The nice thing about 3d printing is it will let me prototype everything and then in my testing I can see what parts to move to other materials. I mentioned this in the video, but have made more progress on figuring out the pricing to go with metal parts and I'm pretty impressed with the costs being less than I thought for metal. I'm still early in my next design though so I really don't know what it will end up looking like yet.
The more I look at modern metal CSMs, the more they look like old CMS. The thing is best manufacturing practices have changed a lot in the last 100 years. I think CSMs can be made both better and cheaper. That said I'm not an expert in all this and it's something I'm just trying to work through and ask my manufacturing partners questions when I need to. I am guessing the reason nobody has done a good modern CSM design is because there just isn't enough money in this hobby market for a serious effort from a bigger player.
@@DreamingRobotsBlog Yes the right way for a circular to work is for the piece to remain static and the outer part to rotate, cheap machines that do not use latch needles (like ALDI) move the piece and also these cheap 3D printed ones also rotate the piece being knitted so that is not a good way to start.
It is super weird how you can buy new flat knitting machines with their ribber at a fraction of the cost of a circular one, and I am not sure if they even make new circular knitting machines, everyone seems to have an old second hand one.
Second hand flat knitting machines with ribbers you can find them cheaper than second hand circular ones. I think the reason is circular is only made for socks and kinda a specific size, with flat knitting machines you can do circular as well but not circular+ribbing (you use the ribber to do the circle), so factories mass produced those and people preferred those as you can still make socks there but also real garments while the circular knitting can be in any size you want unlike the circular which is specific and only the tension could alter this.
I have the feeling making the elaborate machine in circular is also harden than just flat machines that are just straight.
@@AlehandrosArhangelos New machines are being made - Erlbacher Gearhart to name one, Lamb LT150, Chambord Accuknitter and NZAK. They are pricey, but a joy to work with. Having Maurice make one will definitely allow more people to purchase one.