Thank you for posting AIRWOLF THEME . When supersonic helo was mentioned, I thought, like many, of the show,. I remembered J.M. Vincent and Mr. Borgnine, but could not recall the show's name. I was trying to challenge myself, by not googling for the show's name.
I'd contribute a few bucks to a good cause in order to see Mover and Gonky attend a Maverick showing dressed in their shortest cutoff short shorts and drenched head to toe in coconut oil.
"Your certificates have expired, please try to log in at a different government computer" - Mover. Funniest line in the whole thing so far for anyone who was also military lol
The story with the fuel dump is that the camera crews were having a hard time picking out the F-14's against the mountains. Someone on the ground requested a short fuel dump to give some contrast. It looked good so they kept it in the film.
And I gotta have an anti vent gas can for my lawnmower that does everything right but pour gas to save the environment from my 2oz worth of vapor i may lose in a year. Glug glug glug, pssshhhhh, glug Meanwhile , Hollywood : dump 50gallon cause it looks cool. Lol
@@Piledriver2235 drill a hole in the top of your gas can and put a screw in it as a release valve. Take the screw out before pouring and you wont have to fight with it anymore.
So true, I remember when we traveled to NY and while my Friends where taking a Look at the whole Carrier in 2 Hours all I did was looking at the F14 on the Deck 😂
Gonky "two pair is 4, mover" Mover "I can count" Marines: how many crayons does that equal? DCS should have the outro music playing every time I land on a carrier.
@@ningen1980 Its just a meme... I have 2 AF friends, about half a dozen Marine friends (grandfather was a Marine and cousin is a Marine), 3-4 Army friends. Its just a meme.
Just for the record: The CIC/Briefing room scenes were shot aboard the "Midway" Naval Museum in San Diego. There´s no A/C in there. I went there to visit on february 2017 and it was very hot below deck. I can imagine that with all the lighting and people crammed in while filming, temperature must had been over a hundred degrees. No wonder everybody is sweating.
Ships built in the 50's / 60's never had AC that worked well anyways, and what AC there was was for the electronics rooms (radio, radar, etc).. Sweating to death was normal.
@@midniteoyl8913 CICs have been air-conditioned since WWII. I've been on warships built in the 50s and the bridge, CIC, mess halls and crew quarters were air-conditioned. That in a Navy that is tiny compared to the US's.
@@Gearparadummies Everyone had better comfort than us. Use to absolutely loved the German Corvettes for the relative comforts. Ours sucked. We technically 'had AC', but it wasnt a priority and didnt work well at all. Use to sleep in one of the radar rooms, as the electronics had priority, or on fantail in the right weather, as the births were way too hot and stinky. CIC could get just as hot and sweaty when fully manned. Indian Ocean was particularly bad.
The sunset shot at 16:19 of the Tomcat with its wings tucked is the most beautiful shot of this film. The f-14 is such a sexy beast. Really nothing today compares.
I was in VF-2. That was our hangar. We had a couple pilots fly in the movie. Our sister squadron had some aircrew in the classroom scene. Awesome movie!!!!!! Great job to you as and Gonky.
Just watched this at my local discount theater for the first time today and it is so heartwarming seeing real fighter pilots still hold Top Gun in high regard. What an iconic American film.
The scene where Goose hits the canopy was actually inspired by a real event. Same scenario.....flat spin and the canopy hung up over the jet. The RIO actually grazed the canopy, but wasn't injured. That was all according to Pete Pettigrew.
Yeah. It can happen because in a flat spin, the aircraft is falling straight down, so the fuselage shields the canopy somewhat from the aerodynamic forces that normally cause it to fall behind, so it doesn't separate sufficiently from the aircraft. Another thing that is worthy of note was that at this point, the F-14A flat spin was thought to be unrecoverable (they later learned that it could be recovered, but you had to do exactly the opposite of what you would do in most aircraft, because of the interaction between the fully-swept wings and the tailplanes prevented normal spin recovery methods from working, but by that time the F-14B was out, and compressor-install-induced flat spins were largely a thing of the past (you could still put a B in a flat spin, but it required mishandling the aircraft pretty badly. Of course, I have put the F-14B in a flat spin in DCS, so that probably says something about *my* virtual piloting skills (granted, it was the first time I ever flew it, and I hadn't adequately read up on its unique handling characteristics at that point). Note to DCS F-14B pilots: High AoA + low speed + lateral stick input = bad. Use your rudders to roll at high AoA or things will get very ugly.
I met an F/A-18 pilot who was injured during an ejection. He was taking off and was about 50 feet off the ground and the plane suffered a catastrophic engine failure. He hit the ejection and got out just as the plane started to roll. His WSO wasn't so lucky. He got ejected when the plane was entirely inverted and was launched straight into the ground. The pilot had compression fractured up and down his spine from the force of the ejection and the angle he was launched at, and from the landing because he was so low to the ground. He also a shattered leg and a broken pelvis from the landing.
The canopy gets stuck in a low pressure zone and hovers for a couple seconds. This in combination with the ejection timing could lead to the result we see in the movie. The ejection procedure for a flat spin in an F-14 is to jettison the canopy then eject. To my knowledge by the time this movie takes place this procedure was known and covered heavily.
A Buddy of mine worked on Ejection Seats, in the Navy, at Miramar, while they filmed this movie. The seats should have pierced through the canopy. It was the only thing he hated about the movie plus his head shouldn't have been sitting higher than the seat. Goose shouldn't have died like he did in the movie
True, but he wouldn't have simply bounced off the canopy and snapped his neck, anyway. Ejecting into a burbled canopy would have resulted in ejecting THROUGH the canopy. He would have had his head driven into his chest, both arms severed, chute pack torn off, etc. They'd have found ol' Goose in several pieces across the desert.
Yeah it's a bit over-the-top to say the very least. But then again it is Hollywood.. anything realistic would be more like a documentary. Don't ever expect Hollywood to make it realistic.. and I don't mean Rick "Hollywood" Neven
"I think EVERYONE'S too close here, Ice!" Exactly! I saw this the first time on it's first run, in high school and even I knew these engagements were ridiculously close back then. Now that I'm much older and a vet (Army, though) and know a lot more about this kind of thing, I know the movie is ever sillier than I knew back then. But you know what? I STILL love to watch the flying scenes! Like you both agreed in this video, the flying scenes are just so good to watch as they got "the flying part" lookin awfully good!
Thanks Mover and Gonky - that was the best 'Ruins' yet!! All the aviation fans already know the faults with Top Gun, but considering what else has been made, Top Gun can still hold its head high among the great movies, besides, you two love it as much of the rest of us, and it's always great to hear a fighter pilot perspective. Cheers boys.
Man the protagonist was so good in this. Such presence. Such perfect acting. Had they pick another the movie would not have worked out like this. Tom cruise also did a passable job pretending to have a ride inside it.
He did have a ride (several actually) in the Tomcat, but the footage couldn't be used because of the whole visor thing, and since they weren't briefed for every maneuver, they were thrown around so much that the footage was unusable.
In the blu ray bonus disc (bout to nerd out here) navy Capt Pete Pettigrew (the technical advisor for the movie) suggested the scenario for Goose's death. It was based on an actual flat spin ejection, but in the actual mishap the RIO survived, albeit with a broken leg. The jet in a flat spin created a low pressure burble of air above it as it fell. Apparently the procedure is to jettison the canopy and wait to make sure it clears before ejecting.
Hey Mover & Gonky, I really enjoyed part 1 & part 2 of your reactions to Top Gun (1986)!!!! Hope there are more videos like these!!!!! Thank You, to both of you!!
I saw this movie for the first time on TV when I was about 7 years old and I turned into a huge military aviation nerd. In 2016 there was a limited 30th anniversary theater release, the closest theater showing the movie was 70 miles away. I made the trip on a sportbike during a moderate rainstorm, because I could only afford gas for the motorcycle and my window for catching the movie was very tight. It was worth the trip though to see the movie in a theater.
razorbackblood06 I'm 72, and have an old Honda CB900 Custom with a handlebar mounted windshield. I've have ridden in fog and rain. Super props to you as a rider and to your dedication, riding your sport bike in a rainstorm that far.
The first time I went to the boat I had a chief who was in the final crowd scene on the deck. You never see him and he was a tad bit upset that they had to hang out in the flight deck for 7 hours before Cruise and the gang showed up and spent another few hours getting the scene done. Not a happy camper when it came to the movie and especially the cast. Good times.
8:15 I've heard that, like the implied compressor stall, there was a kernel of truth in this scene. If I remember right, it was possible, though I don't know how likely, that the canopy COULD get caught in a "burble" just above the aircraft if the F-14 was in a pure flat spin.
"Well, yeah dude! You're all within gun range! You could shoot 'em with your nine mil!!!" Gee, thanks Mover...just spit my lunch all over the desk and carpet. 😢😆
The procedure (as I recall...it's been almost 40 years!) in a flat spin was to jettison the canopy first and then eject. Because of the odd aerodynamics involved, there was a possibility that canopy separation could be adversely affected. It pretty much had to be done by the RIO because the pilot was incapacitated by "eyeball out" G loading. You're right, the Sparrow shoot was from a VF-114 missile shoot. I think the Sidewinder shot was on a VF-213 shoot. (Actually, after watching it here, it looks like the first AIM-9 is VF-213 and the other one is the same shot, but reversed, as VF-213 appears to be backwards!) The company sent a video capable Lear jet (or something like one) to tape it. "AIM-9 Poppa from 1975" love it.....spoken like an Air Force guy (with respect)! We had Golfs and Hotels in the early days in the Navy.
@@jakubdabrowski3846 centrifugal force doesn't exist, so not so much. Its an illusion created by centripetal forces causing lateral acceleration of a point with tangential inertia.
@@jakubdabrowski3846 I suppose you would expect the canopy to exit the circular motion in a straight line tangential to the motion - regardless of what you call the force. The sequence is very quick canopy-rear seat-front seat. I think the designers of the seat understood the predicted path of the canopy relative to the seat sequence under normal conditions. I don't think they quite understood the predicted path in the flat spin and so as a precaution included jettisoning the canopy.
First, as a Cold War Sailor from the '80's who served on a Carrier (USS NIMITZ CVN-68/Eng. Dept./A-Gang/EA01, Aircraft Elevator hydraulic shop), YES - we were AWESOME! Thanks for that acknowledgement! Seriously, TOP GUN came out while I was active duty. I was a MM/PO3, black shoe, but being part of Auxiliaries Division, I was assigned to aircraft elevators and spent a lot of time on flight deck. Mainly because the tractor drivers always kept hooking the cable on the stanchions and pulling it loose and I had to fix it! The movie was everywhere! I even watched it in a theater in Brest, France doing a port call. The French dubbing was lousy by the way. We could get just about anything in trade for a command cap and zippo lighter with the ship's logo on it (thanks to Jester using a Zippo to light a cigarette in Viper's office. And, yes, the F-14 is Beautiful!! In flight, on the deck, during launch, always!!!
Viper's house is at the New Point Loma Lighthouse near San Diego, but it does really have the look of officer military housing on some bases. The house used by Charlie was recently relocated a few blocks away so a resort can be constructed. This followed years of efforts to restore and keep it from being demolished. The adversaries have visors down because they were supposed to be ambiguous. The movie just happened to come out right after the Libyan engagements in the spring of 1986, which helped make all this so relevant. To add some more perspective, the F-14 was popular with kids because it was the G.I.Joe Skystriker plane and was used as the basis for the Valkyrie plane in the cartoon "Robotech," which was copied for the popular Transformer named Jetfire.
My dream growing up was to be a pilot. Now that I'm 35 and didn't even come close .. I just want pilot friends! This is the best thing I've seen in a long time.
This was a blast! And you are correct, you can't ruin this movie...I ran across it on TV a few months ago, and it's as good today as ever. Nice job, guys!
15:32 that’s Chuck “Heater” Heatley; Tomcat pilot, TOPGUN instructor and photographer/author. Mover, you should have him on for a Q&A session!! He’s on LinkedIn as CJ “Heater” Heatley III.
CJ "Heater" Heatley III once said : "Let me get my hand on the D model (F-14D) and there won't be a fighter on the planet that can stick with me". Pretty awsome... 😉
This was a blast to watch... my dad was in the Navy for nearly 20 years, and we lived in Pacific Beach for two years. He wasn't a pilot, but his last position was running the radar room on the USS Long Beach. When I was young, right when the movement was out, we used to go food shopping on base at Miramar. Love this movie and can't wait for the new one.
Long Beach was a pretty cool(not to mention pretty unique, being the first nuke USN surface warship and all). Also, wanted to mention your review on the Challenger Scat Pack five years ago is what pushed me into ordering one not long after viewing it.👍 Had a great four years with it before an impromptu ER visit between jobs helped put an end to that experience...😥
Loved the deck up through the mid '90s. All the different specialized aircraft...so different from today's Hornet decks. Was there for the decom of the A-6s (attached to a Prowler squadron at the time). 80/90's are probably my favorite era for Naval.
70s were my fav era for naval. Loved the squadron colors on the planes and the variety: S-3, A-6/7, F-4/14, A-4/3/5. F-18s coming on the scene ruined everything haha.
I was a huge Tomcat fan before I even saw Top Gun. I even had three Tomcat model toys before I saw the movie. I saw it when I was 4 believe it or not. When it retired I swear I almost wanted to cry. It was my favorite aircraft for such a long time.
Theres a part in the making of top gun where one of the pilots talks about the goose scene and says the rio is told to watch the canopy because of low pressure, which you mentioned
This movie planted the bug of flying in me. Never thought I could now I am looking at trying to get my PPL. I had waybto many health issues to even get in the military. I remember learning that melody on my guitar and thought I was soooo cool
I met one of the guys who did aerial photography for Top Gun. I was introduced to him and I recognized his call sign because I'd obsessively studied them in the credits years earlier. "Heater" Heatley
It should be mentioned that the incredible aviation photography in Top Gun was brought to you by the GREAT Tony Scott (RIP), brother of Ridley Scott. Tony was hired because the studio saw his car commercial (Audi I think) with car versus fighter plane, and he was the only director they knew who had experience shooting fighters. He actually tried hard to portray Naval aviation realistically but he kept getting overruled by the studio. Tony was fired from Top Gun several times, including once when they caught him shooting with slow motion cameras on the deck after they had ordered him to stop, but Tony knew that his photography was going to make the movie. He was a TRULY gifted director who left us too soon. If you like Top Gun, check out Man On Fire, also directed by Tony Scott.
It was a Saab commercial. And IMO the other great Tony Scott film (not only, but one of them) is Days of Thunder. I cannot watch a NASCAR race on television without falling asleep in 5 minutes, but I will watch Days of Thunder start to finish no question any time it's put on TV. Days of Thunder is probably one of the bigger reasons I wanted to start getting into track driving and racing. Rather than beat Top Gun into the ground, I hope the next Tom Cruise long-belated sequel is a Days of Thunder sequel, but maybe this time going back to the racing Tom Cruise actually participated in and do it based on GT3 or something similar as NASCAR is a total played out snoozefest nowadays.
From what I understand with the flat spin scene is that was based on a real incident. When the tomcat is in a flat spin it creates some sort of air pocket or something so when the canopy shoots off it stays right above the aircraft. So it’s possible your seat shoots right into the canopy. I know that’s not the scientific jargon for it lol. But I saw it on a making of documentary. They wanted the death scene to have realism and so they did research into how Goose could die without it being Mavericks fault but he still felt guilt over it and that was the scenario that fit the movie best.
28:11 I can’t count how many times I’ve watched it. I’m 43 and remember seeing this in the theater and own every version of this released, from laser disc, VHS, DVD both regular version and the special anniversary edition, blu-ray and now the 4K version. I guess one could say I’m a Top Gun nerd and it’s definitely my favorite movie. Thank you so much for putting this video together. Hopefully you’ll get a chance to answer some of my questions.
In this video (approx. 8:20) you make mention of how the canopy should fly away from the F-14. The flat spin caused the lost of many Tomcats (13 F-14s). The problem with the canopy separation is due to the fact that there is not enough forward motion for the to be detached and, fly aft as it is needed to eject safely. After many F-14s encountered flat spins and the Navy discovered that as soon as possible the pilot needed to push the nose down, cut the power of the engine on the outside of the spin and and, increase the power on the engine closest to the center of the spin. This worked on some of the F-14s that encountered the flat spin.
You guys really made this move more memorable. I really appreciate your comments. I always loved the film footage of the flying and missile shots!! I'm glad there was not any CGI in TOP GUN (1986) !! CGI would have ruined the movie, not you guys!!!
There's a lot of miniature/model work mixed in done by Colossal Films, including missile shots. Only two missile shots are real (albeit reused a couple of times).
You guys did a good job on this. Great ruin! But also so cool to hear that real fighter pilots respect the beauty of the tomcat and the aerial photography. I thought that was something only us non-aviators fell for. Good vid with Gronky
"They didn't mention any of the bad parts..." "Flying over dirt..." Yeah well just flying over dirt in a fighter jet is better than just about any other job. Like a rainy day at the beach is better than a sunny day anywhere else.
Been watching Top Gun for 30 years.....I feel like I missed half the movie with all the stuff I never noticed before. Very enjoyable, my thanks to Mover and Gonky!
Art Scholls, the guy who actually got the film footage from a plane in flat spin for this movie, died during the filming when his stunt plane couldn't pull out of the spin. It's believed that all cameras on the plane made it too tail heavy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Scholl
"The supersonic helicopter got back in time..."
[AIRWOLF THEME _INTENSIFIES_ ]
This was a quality comment
Oh man I found an on demand source of airwolf. wow that was low quality tip to tail. Fun to watch as a gag though.
Let's get mover to ruin it as a new helo pilot
Thank you for posting AIRWOLF THEME . When supersonic helo was mentioned, I thought, like many, of the show,. I remembered J.M. Vincent and Mr. Borgnine, but could not recall the show's name. I was trying to challenge myself, by not googling for the show's name.
@@ba946x4 I know that feeling😄
You guys missed that Iceman was doing that victory fly-by at the end in a bullet-ridden jet with an engine out
What?
@@blueofthelightanddark6273 23:29 Iceman takes hits down the side of his aircraft, shuts down stbd engine.
24:00 Iceman takes even more gun hits
@@Solidboat123 Hollywood rules- no such thing as aviation gunnery above 50 caliber
I was going to comment on this, then saw you already had. I guess this helps explain how the helo got back at the same time they did, though.
@@wildwind4456 Nah, the helo was supersonic lol
“Maverick just extended his debrief by two hours.”
I’M DYING 😂🤣💀
And now it's gonna be 3 to 4 hours because Goose didnt do that very ONE JOB!!
Yeah...every "oops" I just keep waiting to hear: "just extended your debrief by an hour "....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@scarecrow108productions7 ssswwsswsssswss
Lol
When Maverick comes out, you and Gonky gotta go see it dressed in your flight suits. Do it as a fundraiser or something.
I'd contribute a few bucks to a good cause in order to see Mover and Gonky attend a Maverick showing dressed in their shortest cutoff short shorts and drenched head to toe in coconut oil.
@@Josway37 Wearing Ray Ban aviator shades
And better yell TOMCATS! at the opening credits
Mover said he was going to do that, meaning a special screening for charity
"Your certificates have expired, please try to log in at a different government computer" - Mover. Funniest line in the whole thing so far for anyone who was also military lol
"Viper just extended his debrief by 2 hours!" ~ LOL
The story with the fuel dump is that the camera crews were having a hard time picking out the F-14's against the mountains. Someone on the ground requested a short fuel dump to give some contrast. It looked good so they kept it in the film.
Thanks man 👍
And I gotta have an anti vent gas can for my lawnmower that does everything right but pour gas to save the environment from my 2oz worth of vapor i may lose in a year.
Glug glug glug, pssshhhhh, glug
Meanwhile , Hollywood : dump 50gallon cause it looks cool. Lol
I think it helped show movement . It was added to show some speed .
@@Piledriver2235 drill a hole in the top of your gas can and put a screw in it as a release valve. Take the screw out before pouring and you wont have to fight with it anymore.
You are correct, Sir!
I could stare at F-14s just sitting on the ground doing nothing for hours.
Same
So true, I remember when we traveled to NY and while my Friends where taking a Look at the whole Carrier in 2 Hours all I did was looking at the F14 on the Deck 😂
+785 thumbs up
That's what I did when I went to USS Lexington in high school
@@dt7843 Grill me a cheese.
Gonky "two pair is 4, mover"
Mover "I can count"
Marines: how many crayons does that equal?
DCS should have the outro music playing every time I land on a carrier.
Answer: red.
You do know that Marine pilots are better trained, right?
OpFor: Let's get that guy.
Marine: Surprise, MFer. There's 30 more of us.
@@ningen1980 Its just a meme... I have 2 AF friends, about half a dozen Marine friends (grandfather was a Marine and cousin is a Marine), 3-4 Army friends. Its just a meme.
4YA PVE server plays the Top Gun theme when the mission completes by capturing all airbases. :D
A: at least a box, the rest get eaten to help with the taste of the windex.
Just for the record: The CIC/Briefing room scenes were shot aboard the "Midway" Naval Museum in San Diego. There´s no A/C in there. I went there to visit on february 2017 and it was very hot below deck. I can imagine that with all the lighting and people crammed in while filming, temperature must had been over a hundred degrees. No wonder everybody is sweating.
Then how do you explain how every single human in this movie was sweating in every single scene?
Ships built in the 50's / 60's never had AC that worked well anyways, and what AC there was was for the electronics rooms (radio, radar, etc).. Sweating to death was normal.
@@midniteoyl8913 CICs have been air-conditioned since WWII. I've been on warships built in the 50s and the bridge, CIC, mess halls and crew quarters were air-conditioned. That in a Navy that is tiny compared to the US's.
@@Gearparadummies Everyone had better comfort than us. Use to absolutely loved the German Corvettes for the relative comforts. Ours sucked. We technically 'had AC', but it wasnt a priority and didnt work well at all. Use to sleep in one of the radar rooms, as the electronics had priority, or on fantail in the right weather, as the births were way too hot and stinky. CIC could get just as hot and sweaty when fully manned. Indian Ocean was particularly bad.
@@Johnfisher12345 California
You know what is better than one professional reacting to top gun
TWO PROFESSIONALS REACTING TO TOP GUN
Yeah some very childish professionals they make joke about everything jeez
@@JUNIOR_2002 then don't watch the video
@@JUNIOR_2002 can't take a joke? It's a movie.. Not a documentary... 🤣
@@Glee73 no im not saying that or insulting it im just saying i prefer more professionalism like the pilot from 74 gear
Russell_2002 Change your username to Karen_2022
The sunset shot at 16:19 of the Tomcat with its wings tucked is the most beautiful shot of this film. The f-14 is such a sexy beast. Really nothing today compares.
"How much of the new Top Gun will be spent just trying to log in to e-mail?" 😂 YES
I was in VF-2. That was our hangar. We had a couple pilots fly in the movie. Our sister squadron had some aircrew in the classroom scene. Awesome movie!!!!!! Great job to you as and Gonky.
John B Thanks for your service! 🤙🏻
@@theegg-viator4707 you are welcome
It's a damn shame that the Tomcat isn't around anymore because the Wolfpack got disbanded and vf-2 is now flying Legacy Hornets on steroids
Just watched this at my local discount theater for the first time today and it is so heartwarming seeing real fighter pilots still hold Top Gun in high regard. What an iconic American film.
“How much of the new top gun movie will be spent just logging into email” 😂 I and everyone currently in the military felt that in our soul haha
More like the bottom of your ballsack!
Trying to complete your PHOP
Need a Mover Ruins Hotshots
oh. my. god. YES.
That would be beautiful
I was just coming to the comments to say this exact thing. HOT SHOTS!
Shoot....Hot Shots was perfect. It was pretty much exactly like being in a Navy fighter squadron!
Especially when the plane spins in mid air 🤣
The scene where Goose hits the canopy was actually inspired by a real event. Same scenario.....flat spin and the canopy hung up over the jet. The RIO actually grazed the canopy, but wasn't injured. That was all according to Pete Pettigrew.
That is an unfortunate name to have XD
Yeah. It can happen because in a flat spin, the aircraft is falling straight down, so the fuselage shields the canopy somewhat from the aerodynamic forces that normally cause it to fall behind, so it doesn't separate sufficiently from the aircraft.
Another thing that is worthy of note was that at this point, the F-14A flat spin was thought to be unrecoverable (they later learned that it could be recovered, but you had to do exactly the opposite of what you would do in most aircraft, because of the interaction between the fully-swept wings and the tailplanes prevented normal spin recovery methods from working, but by that time the F-14B was out, and compressor-install-induced flat spins were largely a thing of the past (you could still put a B in a flat spin, but it required mishandling the aircraft pretty badly. Of course, I have put the F-14B in a flat spin in DCS, so that probably says something about *my* virtual piloting skills (granted, it was the first time I ever flew it, and I hadn't adequately read up on its unique handling characteristics at that point).
Note to DCS F-14B pilots: High AoA + low speed + lateral stick input = bad. Use your rudders to roll at high AoA or things will get very ugly.
I met an F/A-18 pilot who was injured during an ejection. He was taking off and was about 50 feet off the ground and the plane suffered a catastrophic engine failure. He hit the ejection and got out just as the plane started to roll. His WSO wasn't so lucky. He got ejected when the plane was entirely inverted and was launched straight into the ground. The pilot had compression fractured up and down his spine from the force of the ejection and the angle he was launched at, and from the landing because he was so low to the ground. He also a shattered leg and a broken pelvis from the landing.
@@joshuasill1141 I swear I remember reading about that, one of the first female WSOs to die in the Navy right?
@@maximaldinotrap real unfortunate. No wonder he survived.
The canopy gets stuck in a low pressure zone and hovers for a couple seconds. This in combination with the ejection timing could lead to the result we see in the movie. The ejection procedure for a flat spin in an F-14 is to jettison the canopy then eject. To my knowledge by the time this movie takes place this procedure was known and covered heavily.
A Buddy of mine worked on Ejection Seats, in the Navy, at Miramar, while they filmed this movie. The seats should have pierced through the canopy. It was the only thing he hated about the movie plus his head shouldn't have been sitting higher than the seat. Goose shouldn't have died like he did in the movie
True, but he wouldn't have simply bounced off the canopy and snapped his neck, anyway. Ejecting into a burbled canopy would have resulted in ejecting THROUGH the canopy. He would have had his head driven into his chest, both arms severed, chute pack torn off, etc. They'd have found ol' Goose in several pieces across the desert.
"Well yeah dude, you are all within gunrange. You could shoot him with your 9 mm." Laughed so hard, sums up the air combat perfectly.
Yeah it's a bit over-the-top to say the very least. But then again it is Hollywood.. anything realistic would be more like a documentary. Don't ever expect Hollywood to make it realistic.. and I don't mean Rick "Hollywood" Neven
The MiG-28 stick is just the HCU from the F-14 RIO seat.
The MiG-28 in Top Gun is actually the F-5. MiG-28 doesn't even exist.
@@maximaldinotrap Pretty sure they know lol
One of my favourite lines…. “YOUR GONNA DO WHAT!!” always has been laughing
MOVER: "Why're they always naked?!"
GONKY: *awkward silence*
Mover (From the previous part): Navy! It's what we do in the Navy.
"I think EVERYONE'S too close here, Ice!" Exactly! I saw this the first time on it's first run, in high school and even I knew these engagements were ridiculously close back then. Now that I'm much older and a vet (Army, though) and know a lot more about this kind of thing, I know the movie is ever sillier than I knew back then. But you know what? I STILL love to watch the flying scenes! Like you both agreed in this video, the flying scenes are just so good to watch as they got "the flying part" lookin awfully good!
Thanks Mover and Gonky - that was the best 'Ruins' yet!! All the aviation fans already know the faults with Top Gun, but considering what else has been made, Top Gun can still hold its head high among the great movies, besides, you two love it as much of the rest of us, and it's always great to hear a fighter pilot perspective. Cheers boys.
no matter how many times I watch this, it STILL cracks me up!!!
Fun fact. Sun downs name is on his helmet in the jet but disappears when he confronts maverick on the ground.
"You had to actually move to ghost someone back in the 80s"
Neil Ritchie I’m STILL laughing at that one.
@@mactac25 Yeah, the comedy in these videos is underrated :)
That's why they call c.w "mover" he's a professional 🤣
Nine months later and I'm still laughing
Man the protagonist was so good in this. Such presence. Such perfect acting. Had they pick another the movie would not have worked out like this.
Tom cruise also did a passable job pretending to have a ride inside it.
He did have a ride (several actually) in the Tomcat, but the footage couldn't be used because of the whole visor thing, and since they weren't briefed for every maneuver, they were thrown around so much that the footage was unusable.
In the blu ray bonus disc (bout to nerd out here) navy Capt Pete Pettigrew (the technical advisor for the movie) suggested the scenario for Goose's death. It was based on an actual flat spin ejection, but in the actual mishap the RIO survived, albeit with a broken leg. The jet in a flat spin created a low pressure burble of air above it as it fell. Apparently the procedure is to jettison the canopy and wait to make sure it clears before ejecting.
That rolling scissors was one thing that Pete Pettigrew wanted to get on film, so they did indeed set that up for filming. 20:12
"He died like, TODAY!"
That destroyed me :D
Hey Mover & Gonky, I really enjoyed part 1 & part 2 of your reactions to Top Gun (1986)!!!! Hope there are more videos like these!!!!! Thank You, to both of you!!
Charles Ormond Indeed!
I saw this movie for the first time on TV when I was about 7 years old and I turned into a huge military aviation nerd.
In 2016 there was a limited 30th anniversary theater release, the closest theater showing the movie was 70 miles away. I made the trip on a sportbike during a moderate rainstorm, because I could only afford gas for the motorcycle and my window for catching the movie was very tight. It was worth the trip though to see the movie in a theater.
razorbackblood06 dedication !
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I'm 72, and have an old Honda CB900 Custom with a handlebar mounted windshield. I've have ridden in fog and rain. Super props to you as a rider and to your dedication, riding your sport bike in a rainstorm that far.
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I love watching you guys dorking out over TOP GUN. It makes me happy that your fandom turned into a career. Stay awesome. :-)
They just moved the Top Gun house in Oceanside. Literally about a week ago
They sure are flying the Tomcats in the swept-back wing configuration a lot for tactical maneuvers lol
The first time I went to the boat I had a chief who was in the final crowd scene on the deck. You never see him and he was a tad bit upset that they had to hang out in the flight deck for 7 hours before Cruise and the gang showed up and spent another few hours getting the scene done. Not a happy camper when it came to the movie and especially the cast.
Good times.
8:15
I've heard that, like the implied compressor stall, there was a kernel of truth in this scene. If I remember right, it was possible, though I don't know how likely, that the canopy COULD get caught in a "burble" just above the aircraft if the F-14 was in a pure flat spin.
"Well, yeah dude! You're all within gun range! You could shoot 'em with your nine mil!!!"
Gee, thanks Mover...just spit my lunch all over the desk and carpet. 😢😆
The procedure (as I recall...it's been almost 40 years!) in a flat spin was to jettison the canopy first and then eject. Because of the odd aerodynamics involved, there was a possibility that canopy separation could be adversely affected. It pretty much had to be done by the RIO because the pilot was incapacitated by "eyeball out" G loading.
You're right, the Sparrow shoot was from a VF-114 missile shoot. I think the Sidewinder shot was on a VF-213 shoot. (Actually, after watching it here, it looks like the first AIM-9 is VF-213 and the other one is the same shot, but reversed, as VF-213 appears to be backwards!) The company sent a video capable Lear jet (or something like one) to tape it.
"AIM-9 Poppa from 1975" love it.....spoken like an Air Force guy (with respect)! We had Golfs and Hotels in the early days in the Navy.
About the ejection from flat spinning aircraft - shouldn't the canopy get thrown away by centrifugal force? Not remain directly over the plane?
@@jakubdabrowski3846 centrifugal force doesn't exist, so not so much. Its an illusion created by centripetal forces causing lateral acceleration of a point with tangential inertia.
@@jakubdabrowski3846 I suppose you would expect the canopy to exit the circular motion in a straight line tangential to the motion - regardless of what you call the force. The sequence is very quick canopy-rear seat-front seat. I think the designers of the seat understood the predicted path of the canopy relative to the seat sequence under normal conditions. I don't think they quite understood the predicted path in the flat spin and so as a precaution included jettisoning the canopy.
@@kayakutah Doesn't everything happen automatically when you pull the handle or face curtain?
Clay Lacey is the company that films air to air with the Learjet. He has that market cornered for a long time.
First, as a Cold War Sailor from the '80's who served on a Carrier (USS NIMITZ CVN-68/Eng. Dept./A-Gang/EA01, Aircraft Elevator hydraulic shop), YES - we were AWESOME! Thanks for that acknowledgement! Seriously, TOP GUN came out while I was active duty. I was a MM/PO3, black shoe, but being part of Auxiliaries Division, I was assigned to aircraft elevators and spent a lot of time on flight deck. Mainly because the tractor drivers always kept hooking the cable on the stanchions and pulling it loose and I had to fix it! The movie was everywhere! I even watched it in a theater in Brest, France doing a port call. The French dubbing was lousy by the way. We could get just about anything in trade for a command cap and zippo lighter with the ship's logo on it (thanks to Jester using a Zippo to light a cigarette in Viper's office.
And, yes, the F-14 is Beautiful!! In flight, on the deck, during launch, always!!!
I was out there on the Connie from 85-89. You guys were docked right in front of us.
Viper's house is at the New Point Loma Lighthouse near San Diego, but it does really have the look of officer military housing on some bases.
The house used by Charlie was recently relocated a few blocks away so a resort can be constructed. This followed years of efforts to restore and keep it from being demolished.
The adversaries have visors down because they were supposed to be ambiguous. The movie just happened to come out right after the Libyan engagements in the spring of 1986, which helped make all this so relevant. To add some more perspective, the F-14 was popular with kids because it was the G.I.Joe Skystriker plane and was used as the basis for the Valkyrie plane in the cartoon "Robotech," which was copied for the popular Transformer named Jetfire.
My dream growing up was to be a pilot. Now that I'm 35 and didn't even come close .. I just want pilot friends! This is the best thing I've seen in a long time.
Mover needs to ask Lester how much forward cyclic it would take to get that Helo supersonic.
This was a blast! And you are correct, you can't ruin this movie...I ran across it on TV a few months ago, and it's as good today as ever. Nice job, guys!
I remember this well, my last years in the navy were at Miramar while they filmed the movie.
“Get out of your underwear this is a public restroom”. I’m dying 😂
OMFG....Mover is freakin HILARIOUS
15:32 that’s Chuck “Heater” Heatley; Tomcat pilot, TOPGUN instructor and photographer/author.
Mover, you should have him on for a Q&A session!! He’s on LinkedIn as CJ “Heater” Heatley III.
CJ "Heater" Heatley III once said : "Let me get my hand on the D model (F-14D) and there won't be a fighter on the planet that can stick with me". Pretty awsome... 😉
"at least an 11" best answer possible! haha awesome guys
Please do "The Final Countdown" (1980)
Splash the zeroes.
In the commentary they said they had to lie to I think it was the secretary of the navy, that the tomcat really didn’t get that close to the ocean lol
This was a blast to watch... my dad was in the Navy for nearly 20 years, and we lived in Pacific Beach for two years. He wasn't a pilot, but his last position was running the radar room on the USS Long Beach.
When I was young, right when the movement was out, we used to go food shopping on base at Miramar. Love this movie and can't wait for the new one.
Long Beach was a pretty cool(not to mention pretty unique, being the first nuke USN surface warship and all).
Also, wanted to mention your review on the Challenger Scat Pack five years ago is what pushed me into ordering one not long after viewing it.👍 Had a great four years with it before an impromptu ER visit between jobs helped put an end to that experience...😥
@@antimatr8109 Hell yeah, hope you're doing better now but at least you got some fun time with the car
Mover ruins movies with Gonky all the time. Need him more often in this channel!!!
It's so real that they landed by each other...
Loved the deck up through the mid '90s. All the different specialized aircraft...so different from today's Hornet decks. Was there for the decom of the A-6s (attached to a Prowler squadron at the time). 80/90's are probably my favorite era for Naval.
70s were my fav era for naval. Loved the squadron colors on the planes and the variety: S-3, A-6/7, F-4/14, A-4/3/5. F-18s coming on the scene ruined everything haha.
I love the way they switch planes mid flight according to the numbers on the nose.
Nobody: Mover: “pew pew pew pew!”
As a 6842 that was stationed at Miramar...the Marine Layer was wonderful to forecast.
Awesome job Mover.
Hope we can still screen Top Gun 2 once it comes out. Would be awesome.
I was a huge Tomcat fan before I even saw Top Gun. I even had three Tomcat model toys before I saw the movie. I saw it when I was 4 believe it or not. When it retired I swear I almost wanted to cry. It was my favorite aircraft for such a long time.
Gonky do you know if the TG instructors still still charge students $5 for each TG reference during their training at the school?
That's not enough money.
I heard $20.
Mover and Gonky for technical advisors on Top Gun 3
Theres a part in the making of top gun where one of the pilots talks about the goose scene and says the rio is told to watch the canopy because of low pressure, which you mentioned
This movie planted the bug of flying in me. Never thought I could now I am looking at trying to get my PPL. I had waybto many health issues to even get in the military. I remember learning that melody on my guitar and thought I was soooo cool
Wings must be broken. They're constantly sweeping back and forth.
I met one of the guys who did aerial photography for Top Gun. I was introduced to him and I recognized his call sign because I'd obsessively studied them in the credits years earlier. "Heater" Heatley
This was awesome. I was a kid when this movie came out, it still is one of the greatest ever. God bless the F-14
I love that he yanks the stick full aft before pouring on the power. He was like in flight idle and goes to max alpha before adding power.
It should be mentioned that the incredible aviation photography in Top Gun was brought to you by the GREAT Tony Scott (RIP), brother of Ridley Scott. Tony was hired because the studio saw his car commercial (Audi I think) with car versus fighter plane, and he was the only director they knew who had experience shooting fighters. He actually tried hard to portray Naval aviation realistically but he kept getting overruled by the studio. Tony was fired from Top Gun several times, including once when they caught him shooting with slow motion cameras on the deck after they had ordered him to stop, but Tony knew that his photography was going to make the movie. He was a TRULY gifted director who left us too soon. If you like Top Gun, check out Man On Fire, also directed by Tony Scott.
It was a Saab commercial.
And IMO the other great Tony Scott film (not only, but one of them) is Days of Thunder. I cannot watch a NASCAR race on television without falling asleep in 5 minutes, but I will watch Days of Thunder start to finish no question any time it's put on TV. Days of Thunder is probably one of the bigger reasons I wanted to start getting into track driving and racing. Rather than beat Top Gun into the ground, I hope the next Tom Cruise long-belated sequel is a Days of Thunder sequel, but maybe this time going back to the racing Tom Cruise actually participated in and do it based on GT3 or something similar as NASCAR is a total played out snoozefest nowadays.
I love it because my father was in the "Skipper" position back in those times. I remember he giving lectures to the pilots back them ...😂👍🔥⚘
“The supersonic helicopter is back!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What AirWolf???
Another Monday ending on a high note, that was an epic 2 part series. Thanks.
From what I understand with the flat spin scene is that was based on a real incident. When the tomcat is in a flat spin it creates some sort of air pocket or something so when the canopy shoots off it stays right above the aircraft. So it’s possible your seat shoots right into the canopy. I know that’s not the scientific jargon for it lol. But I saw it on a making of documentary. They wanted the death scene to have realism and so they did research into how Goose could die without it being Mavericks fault but he still felt guilt over it and that was the scenario that fit the movie best.
28:11 I can’t count how many times I’ve watched it. I’m 43 and remember seeing this in the theater and own every version of this released, from laser disc, VHS, DVD both regular version and the special anniversary edition, blu-ray and now the 4K version. I guess one could say I’m a Top Gun nerd and it’s definitely my favorite movie. Thank you so much for putting this video together. Hopefully you’ll get a chance to answer some of my questions.
The rio dying while ejecting from a flat spin was a legitimate problem with the A version of the F14 later fixed in the B
Really, I didn’t know that. What flaws of the F-14A (other than the TF30) that eventually fixed in the F-14B?
Someone's a little confused.
Gonky and Mover needs to be a regular team up. Great job guys.
Mover needs a shirt that just says, "Jink! Problem solved" lol.
Still my fave line he ever said "okay wso, arm your seat. You're our last flare"
I remember we played the Top Gun theme song everytime we went flying back when I was in the Air Training Corps (Royal Air Force Air Cadets)
I never noticed before that it was the same guy in the towers during both flybys!!!
I'm guessing it wasn't McDonald's coffee, because he would start looking like Freddy Kruger at some point if it was.
@@orlock20 Hahahahaha
In this video (approx. 8:20) you make mention of how the canopy should fly away from the F-14. The flat spin caused the lost of many Tomcats (13 F-14s). The problem with the canopy separation is due to the fact that there is not enough forward motion for the to be detached and, fly aft as it is needed to eject safely. After many F-14s encountered flat spins and the Navy discovered that as soon as possible the pilot needed to push the nose down, cut the power of the engine on the outside of the spin and and, increase the power on the engine closest to the center of the spin. This worked on some of the F-14s that encountered the flat spin.
You guys really made this move more memorable. I really appreciate your comments. I always loved the film footage of the flying and missile shots!! I'm glad there was not any CGI in TOP GUN (1986) !! CGI would have ruined the movie, not you guys!!!
There's a lot of miniature/model work mixed in done by Colossal Films, including missile shots. Only two missile shots are real (albeit reused a couple of times).
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The F-14 looks like its going supersonic just sitting on the tarmac. It's one awesome fighter.
ya where is the basket to reel him in?...he's just dangling...never thought about that till you made that point
You guys did a good job on this. Great ruin! But also so cool to hear that real fighter pilots respect the beauty of the tomcat and the aerial photography. I thought that was something only us non-aviators fell for. Good vid with Gronky
"Maverick invented the Cobra!" LOL!!!
Great job, I was 21 when this movie came out and everyone loved it. Great to have your perspective and thank you for your service.
"They didn't mention any of the bad parts..." "Flying over dirt..." Yeah well just flying over dirt in a fighter jet is better than just about any other job. Like a rainy day at the beach is better than a sunny day anywhere else.
9:37 I’m 💀😂😂. Never noticed how they hauled goose in like a grouper. Laughed so hard.
"Maverick just extended his de-brief by two hours." Hilarious and oh so true.
What a pleasure to see two fighter pilots review Top Gun. Thank you!
The TF-30s used to flame out or decay to idle when you lit the burner in a tight turn( in the 111 anyway)
But the F-14A also have the TF30 Pratt & Whitney engines.
Been watching Top Gun for 30 years.....I feel like I missed half the movie with all the stuff I never noticed before. Very enjoyable, my thanks to Mover and Gonky!
That was hilarious. Still didn't ruin TopGun for me. Love both your channels, keep it up
This was so good. And you're right. You can't ruin this movie.
Art Scholls, the guy who actually got the film footage from a plane in flat spin for this movie, died during the filming when his stunt plane couldn't pull out of the spin. It's believed that all cameras on the plane made it too tail heavy.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Scholl
I laughed harder than I should at the Stuart Little comment
This review is internet gold, good job guys
Last words: Alright, don’t do drugs
These guys got great sense of humour!!!!