I use this on a Canon RP to make a compact walkaround system that fits in a jacket pocket. It's a great alternative to a dedicated lens setup like an X100V.
@@heavyhibi Yes, it's really good for video, just know there is a little focus breathing when doing focus-pulls. Also record your audio with an external mic to avoid hearing any focus motor sounds (I always do anyway).
@ it’s nice. Very lightweight. Easy to use. Doesn’t have all the bells and whistles of the more expensive full frame options but, I think it’s a great camera overall.
I've had this lens for about five days to pair with my R5. Intended use is travel and street photography. Compact - check. Lightweight - check. Bonus! I am enjoying the unexpected overall sharpness of the lens. However, the vignetting in the corners is more pronounced than I expected... Did you guys just beat out Gordan Lang on the chart thingie? 😲
Mirrorless native lenses, by nature, tend to have more vignetting. Check Gordon Laing's teardown of the RF 28mm, it includes a very nice explanation for that.
@@maheshg212 What does this even mean? It's a full frame lens, of course these vignetting on the R8. Do you understand how this stuff works? Honest question. If you was on crop then that statement would make more sense.
@@simonmaduxx6777I tend to get more vignette on my R6 mark ii than my RP, mostly because vignette occurs from IBIS. Definitely happens with my 24-240, not sure if it would be the same on this lens as well.
@@Augnos Hello. Vignetting from IBIS? i've never heard of such a thing...I'll research that myself. That said, imho that lens is suspect as the cause anyways, as it is low grade optics covered up with a camera profile to fix it. its a FF lens so what you see with the enhancements controls turned off, its the real deal. from the raw files, not a jpeg. generally speaking, the enhancement should be off in most cases but that's not the case i guess for casual usage I figure.
I wasn't sure if I wanted this because I have the 16 which is so ultra and the 35. I ended up getting the 24 to split the difference. However it's nice to hear it's not a macro which means I don't have to worry about slow focusing like when I use the 35 at macro distances.
Seems like some sample variation in this lens. I got very good results in the center even with 2.8. If was comparable or better then 24-70 2.8 or 15-35 2.8. Just the Corners ware worse. Over all I also liked the lens a lot. BTW. 35mm is the best focal lenght.
This lens makes a lot of sense on APS-C. And while I agree APS-C lenses are preferred, with this tiny amount of glass it really doesn't matter. I think producing an APS-C specific version would only raise the cost because the sales are too low to offset the cheaper lens design.
Um...28 mm on crop? Sounds kind of shite /terrible. It might as well be a 28 mm F4 for that matter. I like many else find it to be a very oddball view but somebody out there likes it Those 15 people. 😸
You can't really make the argument of preferring APS-C native lenses on Canon with how they treat their users with the locked mount. It's either buy a slow-ish zoom, or deal with something like this, losing your weather sealing benefit if you're on something like the R7, and suck it up. TBH, this on the recent bare bones R100, or higher spec R50, would be interesting as a Canon R budget walk around setup (if you have to have Canon) since there's nothing like the M6(II) or M200.
@@simonmaduxx6777 I agree. Whats the point of shooting on a 28mm on APSC. What we actually need is an RF version of the pancake 22mm f2 with its macro focusing. Then you have an ACTUAL good lens
on my old canon 5dmk3 it was my sharpest lense too, yes, but on R5 the 28mm (at F4. 0) and rf 50mm 1.2 are sharper than the old 35mm 1.4 mk2. perhaps there is little bit variation in lense quality? don't know. but yes all lenses are sharp, compared to other Ef lenses. ef 70-200 2.8 and 135mm 2.0 are extremely bad on my R5 and I sold them. @@mareksykora3891
Love what Canon did back then with its 24mm f/2.8 STM aka the pancake lens for APS-C. It was on my 70D most of the time. I do hope Canon releases the lens again for the RF-S version since its cameras are all so good now, only the lens line-up is lacking.
💯💯congratulations for the review. flash portraits are stratospheric!!! I'm looking at this lens for my travels, I love street photography. I want to combine the RF 35 f1.8 and the 50 f1.8. for the rest I have the L series lenses that I use for work. but when I travel and walk I want little weight. I will pair it with the R5 and R6 mkII. what do you think??
I'm looking to buy into the R8 tonight, as an upgrade from my Fujifilm, since the size and weight difference is negligible with a X-H2 or X-T5. I'm glad that Canon are making these compact high aperture primes. I'd love a 40f2 pancake also. Like the Nikon Z L. So long as they're performing as well as my f2 XF glass there are no negatives for me. 😊
I once had the Canon EF 40 mm 2.8 pancake, then sold it to get the RF 24mm 1.8, which I love. While it's not a pancake, it's compact enough for general photography, especially in low light or the need for more bokeh. I often take exception to the focus quality on the corners when lenes are wide-open. Well, who takes pictures of subjects right on the lens corners of the viewfinder??? It's the center area that focuses best. Or stop way down the lens if doing landscape on a tripod. Often the images on corners are out of the depth of field range, so who cares? Canon RF 28mm f/2.8 STM is a good choice for general street and hobby photography. Canon offers professional RF "red-ring" grade lenses (pricey) for the real McCoy quality shooting and sharper corners.
My fav focal lengths is 28mm and 40-ish. And full frame 28mm gives me best of both worlds - wide angle on full frame and 40-ish filed of view on a crop.
So glad Canon finally gave us 28mm in RF mount! I bought it and found it’s plenty sharp wide open, especially for portraits. Hopefully Canon will provide a firmware update for focus breathing correction.
28mm for portraits.. is rather odd. For a group shot maybe, on crop you're not going to get separation, on full frame it's just so bloody wide.. distortion is pretty much mandatory and you really have to control / keep your angle of view flat (vertically) more or less. Yep... Just odd.
Sigh, I wish it was optically as sound as the EF 40mm f2.8 which is sharp wide open. Will I get it? Eventually. Maybe? I hope Canon brings the EF40mm f/2.8 as an RF version, using the same optics.
Please could you review the new Voigtlander 27mm F2 Ultron manual focus pancake for the X-Mount system please? Really want to see how it compares to Fuji's and TT Artisans 27mm pancakes!
Enjoy your review of the 28mm. I guess this would be a practical focal length for ASPC, but for full frame I’m not sure I see a use for me. Maybe a vlogging lens?
I would love to see a 40mm and a 20/21mm set of pancakes at f2.8. I have this lens and it’s always on my RP. Also works really nicely on my R7 (functions as a 45mm approximately). Really no major downsides as a street lens. Would also like a f1.8 larger version
You guys are awesome. And I am saying that from Edmonton. Haha. Thanks so much for this review. I was thinking to purchase this to just have something on my camera when walking around and you've demonstrated it would be good for that!
Every other review i have seen praised this little gem's sharpness. It is reported to be sharper than both 35f1.8 rf and 24f1.8 rf at f2.8 How come yoir copy has sharpness of soft spread butter at f2.8
That is what I was wondering about as well. TDP and Optical Limits in particular claim excellent optical performance in terms of sharpness, with the only real weaknesses being flares and vignetting.
@@philipphill9518 If this is the case then there seems to be a greater copy to copy variation with those Canon lenses. Also the sensor resolution plays a role in those tests.
1) Once again, Jordan's shoot proves that lighting is way more important than the body or lens. Excellent job guys! 2) I guess once it crops up in the used market, the 28mm will be interesting. But, as things stand, one can get a used copy of one of the Samyang f/1.8s (24mm or 35mm) for about the same, or one of the awesome Sigma i-series primes for not a lot more, and all of those lenses are a lot better than this pancake. Open RF mount up, FFS!
The 28mm is MY "storytelling" lens! It gives me a little of of everything I need for 99% of my workflow! I hope Canon releases a F/1.4 or 1.8 version soon...
@@GungKrisna12 Yeah it's the equivalent until you get close and see how that equivalency doesn't really work A 35 on crop is nowhere close to a 35 on full frame, even at f2. At least for cannons 1.6 X
Unfortunately, i think the shorter flange distance means that a RF 40mm pancake may not cover the entire frame without extreme vignetting on full frame…. Should be ok for crop sensors though 🤔
@@EverythingCameFromNothing True! Lots of funky optical elements in the 28mm. Maybe they can make some magic happen with a longer focal length even if it becomes a thicc pancake.
I don't own a Canon RF camera and probably never will, but watched this video just for Chris and Jordan. I was not disappointed. The portrait session segment was some of your best work.
Intersting that there is no mention of the distortion. I have shot ALOT of 28mm lenses on Leica M and these often need very little correction in post. But just like on the Leica Q series, this lens is actually a little wider than 28mm and has quite alot of distortion. Straight lines become bowed/concave. If you turn off lens correction in LR/C1 you will see this. The issue with this is that it makes the images look like they were shot more of a wide angle than 28mm usually is considered. This is an issue if you place anything near the edge. An arm or a face or anything will look very wide. If you turn corrections off, you will see that it is not cause by the lens, but by correction the image very much. To me it was a deal-breaker and i sold the lens again right away. The size and IQ is fine, but the final image suffered to much from the distortion.
This is the info that doesn't get focused on enough, imho. Lenses usually have an issue or two, but when its as blatant as this lens...it should be explicitly and clearly communicated to prospective customers. There hasn't been enough conversation about canon especially designing lenses with obvious flaws, and DEPENDING on software correction to make up the difference. They are already saving a ton of money with plastic optics, no hoods included, and slow lenses...not enough folks are talking about it. Cheers, be well.
I wish someone would actually test this lens on the body it was designed for, the R10, R50, R100, not the full frame bodies. Oh, well, I just received mine, going off the reviews I found with full frame bodies, so, now to go out for a test run. I know it had some issues that can be corrected in post processing, so, I hope I didn't waste my money. UPDATE: It was not a waste of money for landscapes. The R10 handled it well and ON1 2024 did its job. The only thing I don't like about the lens is that the lens cap turns freely, so, either I have a faulty lens or it is a design flaw.
Should have pointed out that this is one of the few RF lenses that supports breathing correction, but the R5 is an old camera and does not have this function.
The R5 came out in 2020 and has received significant firmware updates over the last few years. It's one of their flagships alongside the R3 and has not been replaced with a new model & new firmware is still coming. It is not an old camera, the specs are top of the range today. Might want to re-adjust your usage of "old" as it does not work here at all.
28mm is a super common lens in modern people / fashion photographie. just saying. Also to this regard f11 or something not wide open and small softboxes - means you can work with cheaper stuff XD
Late to the game, If I own EF 28mm F/1.8 USM, Will this RF pancake perform as well or better in "sharpness"? I heard both lens are soft. I used it on 70D, and now that I have R6 with IBIS, I feel like to trade them lenses. I like the compactness of RF28 compared to EF28+adapter.
8:18 I don't recognize the blue bird icon from any current social media companies. (kidding...) Great information about this lens. Makes me want to buy one.
I was watching your other video on the 16mm RF lens, what are your thoughts - I can only afford one pancake lens. Which one would you recommend? 16 or 28mm?
I have the 28mm and it's a perfect workaround lens with few flaws and super dharp wide open. The 16mm will be less versatile and is amore compromised design, especially in terms of vignetting, distortion, chromatic abberations etc...
I love the 28 mm focal length! I have three "vintage" 28 mm lenses that I adapt to my R5. The Canon FD 28/2.8 is slightly sharper than my Minolta MD 28/2.8, and then I have a Vivitar 28/2.
The 28mm focal length is my favorite, it's MY "35mm"...that being said, a f/2.8 aperture just isn't fast enough for me from a prime lense. Great video as always fellas.
Until Canon actually allows third party on the RF mount, this is the best RF lens for their current APS-C cameras. As a former M50 owner, I don't know if it's as incredible as the M 22mm. But it has to be close if not the same, right?
Its not as good as the 22f2. The 22 is not super sharp wide open, but the color and Boca definitely is better than this. That said I have plenty of images at f2 that are still nice and sharp! One of the best little banger lens on the market.
Nice lens but if Canon allowed Sigma and Tamron into the RF mount they could make these type of entry level lenses much better at the same price. Canon makes great L lenses but most of their non-L lenses are sort of suspect. But then again, for $300 it is useable. But then again, Sigma could do it with excellent sharpness at f2.8 for the same price.
bruh.. I was looking for reviews for this lens on YT 5 hours ago. Didn't find any decent stuff. I was wondering why you guys didn't review it and voila.
One game I play when watching Jordan & Chris videos is recognizing the filming locations - knew the sun-dial at Elliston Park early in this one. ( enjoyed the content too ... ! )
@@igordmitriev7211 Nope, you are going the other way. Like when you put an f1.8 50mm FD lens on an MFT - it basically turns in to a 100mm f1.0. The size of the aperture VS the sensor INCREASES not decreases. The Aperture is the ratio of light that falls upon the 'film' plane.
Canon’s affordable primes are weirdly great sleeper hits. Paper specs seem meh compared to other brand offerings. But damn are they affordable and are they good for the price. Plus a PD sling fits my Canon R5, 35mm and 50mm without skipping a beat - on another system before I’d be forced to pick one body and one of those focal lengths.
@@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas There's too much Nikon saltiness in your comment, boy. Curb that. Nobody said the RF lenses vastly outperformed the EF versions -- even though they do outperform them, even if slightly. But they are smaller, affordable, and they fit into my bag with the smaller mirrorless bodies. Unlucky for you, I have experience shooting on Nikon as well, and unlucky for you I know that I wouldn't want to or be able to lug more than 1 body and 1 Z lens in my bag. Maybe open your eyes to wider possibilities rather than camping out at one side. Being objective is possible, yknow? PS, your photos look like overproduced crap. Hang back on the sharpness slider, maybe?
@@bathvader The quality of the Nikkor Z 50mm f/1.8 S and Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.8 S lenses are on par with the respective Canon RF 50mm f/1.2L and Canon RF 85mm f/1.2L for 1/3 of the price.
@@michelecintramika8482 Build quality? Image quality? Sharpness? What quality are you talking about? I've used both lenses, and I've owned the Z 50mm f1.8. It was by far my favourite Z lens (I also owned the 35mm, and owned but sold the 85mm). It was definitely built well. I loved the weather sealing (walked through London in the rain and it did not flinch - I did). It produced excellent images. But it is not an f1.2 lens. Also note that Nikon slapped its S line moniker onto the Z 50mm f1.8. It is a professional lens. It is also professionally priced (albeit cheaper because I buy all my lenses 2nd hand).
@@bathvader I mean image quality. however, also in sharpness and build quality. Nikon offers all of this for a much cheaper price than Canon. I am Canon user. But Nikon delivers much better quality for a much lower price than Canon. At Canon RF, you either have very expensive and excellent equipment or medium-priced equipment of dubious quality. A Nikon Z6 Mark II + Z 50mm f/1.8 can only match the Canon R6 Mark II + RF 50mm f/1.2 in terms of quality. But at very different prices. Canon does not give quality options with an intermediate price. If you want quality at Canon, you have to pay a LOT of money. I just didn't leave Canon because I already have an EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III USM + EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III USM. They are lenses that I can put on any fullframe or aps-c camera from any company using an adapter that will give me fantastic files. So I don't need to invest in quality RF lenses. But if I ever decide to use a Canon with native lenses, I'll leave Canon and go to Nikon. Today, if someone wants photographic quality on Canon and doesn't want to use an adapter, you have to be rich.
I recently picked this lens up to use with my R5 and I absolutely love it. It’s super sharp and disappears on the camera since it’s so lightweight.
The opening of them as video game characters is still my favorite thing about them moving to this channel. So cute.
I use this on a Canon RP to make a compact walkaround system that fits in a jacket pocket. It's a great alternative to a dedicated lens setup like an X100V.
What about video?? I’m considering it with 50mm .. I usually make short films…Web series..
@@heavyhibi Yes, it's really good for video, just know there is a little focus breathing when doing focus-pulls. Also record your audio with an external mic to avoid hearing any focus motor sounds (I always do anyway).
Just ordered one. Stoked to have something super compact for my RP.
How is the rp?
@ it’s nice. Very lightweight. Easy to use. Doesn’t have all the bells and whistles of the more expensive full frame options but, I think it’s a great camera overall.
Good to see another RP enjoyer in the wild.
I've had this lens for about five days to pair with my R5. Intended use is travel and street photography. Compact - check. Lightweight - check. Bonus! I am enjoying the unexpected overall sharpness of the lens. However, the vignetting in the corners is more pronounced than I expected...
Did you guys just beat out Gordan Lang on the chart thingie? 😲
No vignette on R8😊
Mirrorless native lenses, by nature, tend to have more vignetting. Check Gordon Laing's teardown of the RF 28mm, it includes a very nice explanation for that.
@@maheshg212 What does this even mean? It's a full frame lens, of course these vignetting on the R8.
Do you understand how this stuff works? Honest question. If you was on crop then that statement would make more sense.
@@simonmaduxx6777I tend to get more vignette on my R6 mark ii than my RP, mostly because vignette occurs from IBIS. Definitely happens with my 24-240, not sure if it would be the same on this lens as well.
@@Augnos Hello. Vignetting from IBIS? i've never heard of such a thing...I'll research that myself. That said, imho that lens is suspect as the cause anyways, as it is low grade optics covered up with a camera profile to fix it.
its a FF lens so what you see with the enhancements controls turned off, its the real deal. from the raw files, not a jpeg.
generally speaking, the enhancement should be off in most cases but that's not the case i guess for casual usage I figure.
Great pics of jordan.
I like what Canon ios doing with all their small-ish, affordable primes.
Well not many others do.
The only reason why you'd buy this is because you literally literally have no other options.
I wasn't sure if I wanted this because I have the 16 which is so ultra and the 35. I ended up getting the 24 to split the difference. However it's nice to hear it's not a macro which means I don't have to worry about slow focusing like when I use the 35 at macro distances.
Seems like some sample variation in this lens. I got very good results in the center even with 2.8. If was comparable or better then 24-70 2.8 or 15-35 2.8.
Just the Corners ware worse. Over all I also liked the lens a lot. BTW. 35mm is the best focal lenght.
I think Jordan modeling/portrait portion is now a necessary piece in lens reviews 😮
😂😂😂The pocket close up @ 2:54 😂😂😂
This pancake lens turns out to be my most used glass... great for street on one of my RP bodies...
This lens makes a lot of sense on APS-C. And while I agree APS-C lenses are preferred, with this tiny amount of glass it really doesn't matter. I think producing an APS-C specific version would only raise the cost because the sales are too low to offset the cheaper lens design.
28mm on aps-c is the ideal running around imo
Um...28 mm on crop? Sounds kind of shite /terrible. It might as well be a 28 mm F4 for that matter.
I like many else find it to be a very oddball view but somebody out there likes it Those 15 people. 😸
You can't really make the argument of preferring APS-C native lenses on Canon with how they treat their users with the locked mount. It's either buy a slow-ish zoom, or deal with something like this, losing your weather sealing benefit if you're on something like the R7, and suck it up. TBH, this on the recent bare bones R100, or higher spec R50, would be interesting as a Canon R budget walk around setup (if you have to have Canon) since there's nothing like the M6(II) or M200.
@@simonmaduxx6777 I agree. Whats the point of shooting on a 28mm on APSC. What we actually need is an RF version of the pancake 22mm f2 with its macro focusing. Then you have an ACTUAL good lens
@mipmipmipmipmip ...in their weirdly-shaped elements
This lense is soo sharp when using F4 to F5. 6, even in the last pixels at the edge, mindblowing! way sharper than my Ef 35mm 1.4 II L
Really bro? Amazing lense ❤
cannot believe... my 35/1.4 mk 2 is the sharpest lens I even use...
on my old canon 5dmk3 it was my sharpest lense too, yes, but on R5 the 28mm (at F4. 0) and rf 50mm 1.2 are sharper than the old 35mm 1.4 mk2. perhaps there is little bit variation in lense quality? don't know. but yes all lenses are sharp, compared to other Ef lenses. ef 70-200 2.8 and 135mm 2.0 are extremely bad on my R5 and I sold them. @@mareksykora3891
Love what Canon did back then with its 24mm f/2.8 STM aka the pancake lens for APS-C. It was on my 70D most of the time. I do hope Canon releases the lens again for the RF-S version since its cameras are all so good now, only the lens line-up is lacking.
Uh? EF-M 22/2.0 for APS-C.
@@VladimirKorsun EF-M 32mm f/1.4 😍
@@michelecintramika8482 Great lens. Owned it once.
@@VladimirKorsun 🙌
💯💯congratulations for the review. flash portraits are stratospheric!!! I'm looking at this lens for my travels, I love street photography. I want to combine the RF 35 f1.8 and the 50 f1.8. for the rest I have the L series lenses that I use for work. but when I travel and walk I want little weight. I will pair it with the R5 and R6 mkII. what do you think??
Those flash portraits look amazing ❤❤❤
Haven't ever used a flash? It's normal
I'm looking to buy into the R8 tonight, as an upgrade from my Fujifilm, since the size and weight difference is negligible with a X-H2 or X-T5. I'm glad that Canon are making these compact high aperture primes. I'd love a 40f2 pancake also. Like the Nikon Z L. So long as they're performing as well as my f2 XF glass there are no negatives for me. 😊
I once had the Canon EF 40 mm 2.8 pancake, then sold it to get the RF 24mm 1.8, which I love. While it's not a pancake, it's compact enough for general photography, especially in low light or the need for more bokeh. I often take exception to the focus quality on the corners when lenes are wide-open. Well, who takes pictures of subjects right on the lens corners of the viewfinder??? It's the center area that focuses best. Or stop way down the lens if doing landscape on a tripod. Often the images on corners are out of the depth of field range, so who cares? Canon RF 28mm f/2.8 STM is a good choice for general street and hobby photography. Canon offers professional RF "red-ring" grade lenses (pricey) for the real McCoy quality shooting and sharper corners.
Canon doesnt offer compact L 35mm or 40mm..if there was, i would buy.
I'm just thrilled to have something tiny for casual use.
I love this kind of lens. My most used on my Fuji is the 27mm f/2.8 pancake. Obviously a wider angle in this video on a 35mm camera.
Xf18f2 is the direct comparison to this. 27mm f2.8 FF equivalent.
You know that 27mm apsc is 40mm in fullframe right? Its supposed to be 18mm for comparison.
My fav focal lengths is 28mm and 40-ish. And full frame 28mm gives me best of both worlds - wide angle on full frame and 40-ish filed of view on a crop.
So glad Canon finally gave us 28mm in RF mount! I bought it and found it’s plenty sharp wide open, especially for portraits. Hopefully Canon will provide a firmware update for focus breathing correction.
28mm for portraits.. is rather odd. For a group shot maybe, on crop you're not going to get separation, on full frame it's just so bloody wide.. distortion is pretty much mandatory and you really have to control / keep your angle of view flat (vertically) more or less.
Yep... Just odd.
Looking forward to the Viltrox 28mm f/1.8 review! New 28mm for Sony E 👀
Love my sigma 28mm 1.4 on my R5
Sigh, I wish it was optically as sound as the EF 40mm f2.8 which is sharp wide open. Will I get it? Eventually. Maybe? I hope Canon brings the EF40mm f/2.8 as an RF version, using the same optics.
They charts on optical limits show that it has great image quality wide open. I’m confused why this review says that it isn’t starp 🤔 🤷♂️
Please could you review the new Voigtlander 27mm F2 Ultron manual focus pancake for the X-Mount system please? Really want to see how it compares to Fuji's and TT Artisans 27mm pancakes!
I loved using the EF-S 28mm on my 7D, it was the perfect combo for me.
I hope someone like Sony can come out with a 28mm f1.4 GM so Chris can be really happy.
Lol dont ask canon for a 1.4. You'll die waiting
Enjoy your review of the 28mm. I guess this would be a practical focal length for ASPC, but for full frame I’m not sure I see a use for me. Maybe a vlogging lens?
I would love to see a 40mm and a 20/21mm set of pancakes at f2.8. I have this lens and it’s always on my RP. Also works really nicely on my R7 (functions as a 45mm approximately). Really no major downsides as a street lens. Would also like a f1.8 larger version
I would love a lens like this on the Sony A7C, and more 28mm lenses please!
You guys are awesome. And I am saying that from Edmonton. Haha. Thanks so much for this review. I was thinking to purchase this to just have something on my camera when walking around and you've demonstrated it would be good for that!
another great review. But what bag are you using in the shots?
That's the new @wotancraft Pilot Backpack
Love the farmer's shoot , you really brought it out of him😊
Always love your reviews. Thanks!
Note: control rings may be damped but they are not dampened unless used in the rain. Small point.
Jordan as a farmer was bloody amazing, thank you guys for that 😅
Thanks so much for sharing another wonderful video like always, keep up with the awesome content 👍
You guys really let loose this episode...and I loved it. 😂👌 Keep up the amazing work guys!!! 💯
2:09 - 30 seconds of comedy gold!!! 😂😂😂
Every other review i have seen praised this little gem's sharpness. It is reported to be sharper than both 35f1.8 rf and 24f1.8 rf at f2.8 How come yoir copy has sharpness of soft spread butter at f2.8
That is what I was wondering about as well. TDP and Optical Limits in particular claim excellent optical performance in terms of sharpness, with the only real weaknesses being flares and vignetting.
@@philipphill9518 If this is the case then there seems to be a greater copy to copy variation with those Canon lenses. Also the sensor resolution plays a role in those tests.
1) Once again, Jordan's shoot proves that lighting is way more important than the body or lens. Excellent job guys!
2) I guess once it crops up in the used market, the 28mm will be interesting. But, as things stand, one can get a used copy of one of the Samyang f/1.8s (24mm or 35mm) for about the same, or one of the awesome Sigma i-series primes for not a lot more, and all of those lenses are a lot better than this pancake. Open RF mount up, FFS!
Chris, I think 2:43 & 2:51 of Jordan are awesome!
The 28mm is MY "storytelling" lens! It gives me a little of of everything I need for 99% of my workflow! I hope Canon releases a F/1.4 or 1.8 version soon...
Like for the intro alone! 😂 Keep up the great content guys!
Hoping for a RF 40mm pancake in the future as well!
Or attach that lens to APS-C camera and you will get about 45mm focal length in 35mm equivalent
@@GungKrisna12 Yeah it's the equivalent until you get close and see how that equivalency doesn't really work
A 35 on crop is nowhere close to a 35 on full frame, even at f2. At least for cannons 1.6 X
Unfortunately, i think the shorter flange distance means that a RF 40mm pancake may not cover the entire frame without extreme vignetting on full frame…. Should be ok for crop sensors though 🤔
@@EverythingCameFromNothing True! Lots of funky optical elements in the 28mm. Maybe they can make some magic happen with a longer focal length even if it becomes a thicc pancake.
I don't own a Canon RF camera and probably never will, but watched this video just for Chris and Jordan. I was not disappointed. The portrait session segment was some of your best work.
Intersting that there is no mention of the distortion. I have shot ALOT of 28mm lenses on Leica M and these often need very little correction in post. But just like on the Leica Q series, this lens is actually a little wider than 28mm and has quite alot of distortion. Straight lines become bowed/concave. If you turn off lens correction in LR/C1 you will see this. The issue with this is that it makes the images look like they were shot more of a wide angle than 28mm usually is considered. This is an issue if you place anything near the edge. An arm or a face or anything will look very wide. If you turn corrections off, you will see that it is not cause by the lens, but by correction the image very much. To me it was a deal-breaker and i sold the lens again right away. The size and IQ is fine, but the final image suffered to much from the distortion.
This is the info that doesn't get focused on enough, imho. Lenses usually have an issue or two, but when its as blatant as this lens...it should be explicitly and clearly communicated to prospective customers.
There hasn't been enough conversation about canon especially designing lenses with obvious flaws, and DEPENDING on software correction to make up the difference.
They are already saving a ton of money with plastic optics, no hoods included, and slow lenses...not enough folks are talking about it.
Cheers, be well.
@@simonmaduxx6777 I agree. It’s sad tendency from canon that all there non-l wider lenses seem to build on this idea of just correcting in post.
I use the 28mm on my Nikon Z5, it’s a great focal length!
Check out the Westcott heavy-duty stand, that thing is making me nervous with the FJ 400.
What was in Jordans Pocket @ 2:54? I think we need a podcast segment on this.
Jokes aside I do wonder what EDC the guys have on these shoots.
I wish someone would actually test this lens on the body it was designed for, the R10, R50, R100, not the full frame bodies. Oh, well, I just received mine, going off the reviews I found with full frame bodies, so, now to go out for a test run. I know it had some issues that can be corrected in post processing, so, I hope I didn't waste my money. UPDATE: It was not a waste of money for landscapes. The R10 handled it well and ON1 2024 did its job. The only thing I don't like about the lens is that the lens cap turns freely, so, either I have a faulty lens or it is a design flaw.
I use the 28 on both my R5 & R50 and the images are great!
28mm is my fav focal length as well
Should have pointed out that this is one of the few RF lenses that supports breathing correction, but the R5 is an old camera and does not have this function.
The R5 came out in 2020 and has received significant firmware updates over the last few years. It's one of their flagships alongside the R3 and has not been replaced with a new model & new firmware is still coming. It is not an old camera, the specs are top of the range today. Might want to re-adjust your usage of "old" as it does not work here at all.
I love Canon "pancake" lenses. I use a 40mm on my Canon 5D and a 22mm on my M50. Both well-built and tack sharp.
28mm is a super common lens in modern people / fashion photographie. just saying. Also to this regard f11 or something not wide open and small softboxes - means you can work with cheaper stuff XD
06:07 What is this UI? Is that some built-in Canon focus breathing indicator?
I love this lens on my EOS R
2,8/28 is a classic. Every system needs one.
Dem portraits! Epic 🤣
Late to the game, If I own EF 28mm F/1.8 USM, Will this RF pancake perform as well or better in "sharpness"? I heard both lens are soft. I used it on 70D, and now that I have R6 with IBIS, I feel like to trade them lenses. I like the compactness of RF28 compared to EF28+adapter.
Can’t wait to get one!
Would you use a lens hood with this?
I love 28's, too. One of the reasons I love my GRIII so much.
01:29 - It DOES look as if it's been a bit dampened, but slightly enough to be wiped off...
8:18 I don't recognize the blue bird icon from any current social media companies. (kidding...) Great information about this lens. Makes me want to buy one.
I was watching your other video on the 16mm RF lens, what are your thoughts - I can only afford one pancake lens. Which one would you recommend? 16 or 28mm?
I have the 28mm and it's a perfect workaround lens with few flaws and super dharp wide open. The 16mm will be less versatile and is amore compromised design, especially in terms of vignetting, distortion, chromatic abberations etc...
Haha love the farm boy photoshoot!
It looks like the 24mm EF-S Lens re-born as an RF lens!
Rf 28mm can take group photos properly? To use for family functions? I have 18-45 kit lens and the pics are below par with the EOS r50.
28mm pancake should give you much better quality for group photos !
I take back my words. Thanks Canon for this. Competition is the best.
Every time you start an episode, I expect you to say "Welcome back to PetaPixel DPReview TV viewers..." 😂
Was thinking of buying a small point and shoot, for my honeymoon. But, I think I'll just go with this lens.
Great review. Many thanks!👍👍👍
I wish canon would make more pancake lenses. I think a 35mm pancake would be nice to have for run and gunning
You say you love the 28mm focal length but hate the 35. Those are so similar! Please explain...
Saying that 35, 50, 24mm or whatever is "boring" has nothing to do with real photography. It's like saying I love driving my car in 3rd gear.
My 1st rf lens
I love the 28 mm focal length! I have three "vintage" 28 mm lenses that I adapt to my R5. The Canon FD 28/2.8 is slightly sharper than my Minolta MD 28/2.8, and then I have a Vivitar 28/2.
Why not liking full frame lens on an apsc body? I’m loving it with the EF lens 😏
The 28mm focal length is my favorite, it's MY "35mm"...that being said, a f/2.8 aperture just isn't fast enough for me from a prime lense. Great video as always fellas.
And the front element is so tiny, they probably could have made it an f2 keeping the same body size :(
@@PrimalShutter Yup...F/2 would have been perfect!
Also I hope sigma will make a 28mm lens, I have a 24mm and it might not seem like much but to me it’s just a bit too wide and 28 would be just perfect
Until Canon actually allows third party on the RF mount, this is the best RF lens for their current APS-C cameras. As a former M50 owner, I don't know if it's as incredible as the M 22mm. But it has to be close if not the same, right?
Its not as good as the 22f2. The 22 is not super sharp wide open, but the color and Boca definitely is better than this.
That said I have plenty of images at f2 that are still nice and sharp! One of the best little banger lens on the market.
Nice lens but if Canon allowed Sigma and Tamron into the RF mount they could make these type of entry level lenses much better at the same price. Canon makes great L lenses but most of their non-L lenses are sort of suspect. But then again, for $300 it is useable. But then again, Sigma could do it with excellent sharpness at f2.8 for the same price.
will this work with 200d?
No. You need an EF lens, not RF.
I think you can also make some old EF/EF-S lenses on new R cameras videos
bruh.. I was looking for reviews for this lens on YT 5 hours ago. Didn't find any decent stuff. I was wondering why you guys didn't review it and voila.
Did Chris just put the lens to a weather test at 1:02 and 3:24 ? ... so, did it pass?
If the center sharpness is good, when you throw it on an r10/7, the sharpness is across the frame.
hoping they do a 28mm 1.4 L
Only Sigma ART.
One game I play when watching Jordan & Chris videos is recognizing the filming locations - knew the sun-dial at Elliston Park early in this one. ( enjoyed the content too ... ! )
Would it not basically be a 45mm f2 on the APSC Canons? Not a bad option...
f4.5 you mean?
@@brando-qq2mg yeah I don't want to be encouraged to go FF, I would like to have good APS-C lenses like Sigma makes. But Canon can't have that.
@@igordmitriev7211 Nope, you are going the other way. Like when you put an f1.8 50mm FD lens on an MFT - it basically turns in to a 100mm f1.0. The size of the aperture VS the sensor INCREASES not decreases. The Aperture is the ratio of light that falls upon the 'film' plane.
Those portraits awakened something in me.
28mm focal length is my favorite =) But I hope that was a 1.8 macro IS...
you missed a chance to say peta pixels preferred lighting partner.
It's sharp for it's price specially on a tiny glass body
The farmer bit had me cryin 😂
Canon’s affordable primes are weirdly great sleeper hits. Paper specs seem meh compared to other brand offerings. But damn are they affordable and are they good for the price. Plus a PD sling fits my Canon R5, 35mm and 50mm without skipping a beat - on another system before I’d be forced to pick one body and one of those focal lengths.
There is too much Canon hyperbole in your comment. These lenses aren't better than their traditional DSLR counterparts.
@@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas There's too much Nikon saltiness in your comment, boy. Curb that. Nobody said the RF lenses vastly outperformed the EF versions -- even though they do outperform them, even if slightly. But they are smaller, affordable, and they fit into my bag with the smaller mirrorless bodies. Unlucky for you, I have experience shooting on Nikon as well, and unlucky for you I know that I wouldn't want to or be able to lug more than 1 body and 1 Z lens in my bag. Maybe open your eyes to wider possibilities rather than camping out at one side. Being objective is possible, yknow? PS, your photos look like overproduced crap. Hang back on the sharpness slider, maybe?
@@bathvader
The quality of the Nikkor Z 50mm f/1.8 S and Nikkor Z 85mm f/1.8 S lenses are on par with the respective Canon RF 50mm f/1.2L and Canon RF 85mm f/1.2L for 1/3 of the price.
@@michelecintramika8482 Build quality? Image quality? Sharpness? What quality are you talking about? I've used both lenses, and I've owned the Z 50mm f1.8. It was by far my favourite Z lens (I also owned the 35mm, and owned but sold the 85mm). It was definitely built well. I loved the weather sealing (walked through London in the rain and it did not flinch - I did). It produced excellent images. But it is not an f1.2 lens.
Also note that Nikon slapped its S line moniker onto the Z 50mm f1.8. It is a professional lens. It is also professionally priced (albeit cheaper because I buy all my lenses 2nd hand).
@@bathvader
I mean image quality. however, also in sharpness and build quality. Nikon offers all of this for a much cheaper price than Canon. I am Canon user. But Nikon delivers much better quality for a much lower price than Canon. At Canon RF, you either have very expensive and excellent equipment or medium-priced equipment of dubious quality. A Nikon Z6 Mark II + Z 50mm f/1.8 can only match the Canon R6 Mark II + RF 50mm f/1.2 in terms of quality. But at very different prices. Canon does not give quality options with an intermediate price. If you want quality at Canon, you have to pay a LOT of money. I just didn't leave Canon because I already have an EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III USM + EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III USM. They are lenses that I can put on any fullframe or aps-c camera from any company using an adapter that will give me fantastic files. So I don't need to invest in quality RF lenses. But if I ever decide to use a Canon with native lenses, I'll leave Canon and go to Nikon. Today, if someone wants photographic quality on Canon and doesn't want to use an adapter, you have to be rich.
Seems they're following up the Nikon Z 26mm 2.8 (which I like!)
how pronounced is the focusing sound and the extending of the lens? is it unusable for candid street photography?
I’d love a canon lens that was F2 I’d buy that for sure.