You just HAD to know I'd be sucker for the sailing-ships-in-space in Treasure Planet
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- (Skip forward to about 4:20 if you don't want to hear me begging for money.)
Naturally, all of the photo/video content of this particular video comes by way of the Mouse, who I would never, ever, ever even whisper a negative thing about.
Ever.
And, no, we don't talk about the tech that much, because, really, what tech? Just bask in the glory of sailing ships in space.
That Patreon stuff is here: / sacredcowshipyards Pay, don't, whatever floats your boat. We're not doing anything special for patrons yet, but maybe that'll come down the pike in the future. Who knows? About all we can do at the moment is "early access to the videos", which can range from... well, this one got posted on Thursday, and I've frequently done them Sunday morning, so... Either way, I'll keep making these. Or not. But payment isn't required for that, and doesn't guarantee that.
So, with those MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MOTIVATION compelling you... yeah.
This is definitively a case of " because is cool" in a good way.
One of the few exceptions.
Rule of Cool works when the cool is justified.
@@promethius357 only works if its actually cool, which this absolutely is
I'm 100% on board with Age of Sail inspired designs. They don't pretend to be practical and there's nothing more wondrous than the Age of Discovery (but in space). I also love the supernova scene where the crew is struggling to haul down their sheets until just the right moment to break free of a forming black hole. It's wonderfully animated and acted and it carries enough relatable knowledge that you can easily suspend your disbelief and just enjoy the sequence for what it is.
"etherium non vacuum"
ahh the luminiferous aether, when space could be pushed against.
(shush') I hear in other galaxies, they can't breathe or even find the Etherium. We should mount an expedition to see if we can get to one of the galaxies (long ago and) far, far away. Who's with me, lads?
Literally my favorite spaceships in all of sci-fi. Though they're honestly more fantasy. But still, if we're going to have unrealistic and impractical spaceships, might as well have some style.
Its basically AD&D Spelljammer.
@@barrybend7189 I was just about to make the comparison
"Some things should be left alone..."
Bad Robot: "Quick! I hear nostalgia! Get the rights, change it by 25% so we keep all the money and get marketing and PR on line to figure out how to sell this thing!!!"
Hey, there actually was a sequel, sort of. It's called "treasure planet, battle of procyon" and it's probably the best strategy game I've ever played. It takes all the coolest ideas from the movie and fleshes them out surprisingly well. It's a bit clunky and old, but it has extremely unique gameplay, and a really fun cheesy storyline. you could get it for a couple bucks on steam last time I checked.
I bought it on Steam earlier this year, runs great!
Dude Ive been wondering what this game was called since I was too young to even know what I was doing when I played it the Demo disc!
Thanks, Im gonna have to check it out again!
@@Syphious64 I was really excited to find it on steam, I originally had it on disc from McDonald's back when they were running the happy meals promotions for the movie.
I still got the OG disk with the manual and big cardboard box the game came in!
@@scottthewaterwarrior Sweet!
For some reason a lot of people are really down on this movie but I think it's great. The ships are cool the aesthetic is great and the story telling / adaption is fun I have never understood why this, Atlantis and Titan AE aren't more popular.
One of the best attempts to combine sailing aesthetics with more ""realistic"" (I did mean to use double quotes) style is David Drake's RCN Books which Drake freely admits are Space operas in those books the sails are used to catch Kasimir radiation and move between universes in the 'Matrix' allowing super luminary speeds and for reasons you have to have people on the hull of ships to the sails move freely so you have riggers in space suits climbing masts and freeing rigging.
Yeah, that and the Honor Harrington series both do... frankly janky things with physics in order to rationalize tall-ship-style combat.
Also, all three of those movies deserve live-action remakes.
The sheer sense of space adventure imagined by person, who is a child inside and presented by this movie is what made me a fan of this movie.
It's not about realistic adventure. It's about THE adventure. The fun moments, the sad moments, the crazy moment, the terrifying ones - everything is there. And movie handles those moments spectacularly.
I can argue about Titan AE that that movie would rather had a run of a TV show as it feels that characters in that movie just don't have enough breathing room for better development. As they are in the movie, they feel a bit too flat.
But I also don't get why Atlantis didn't get that much interest. It got direct-to-VHS-semi-sequel-semi-TV-pilot and that's it.
I guess, Disney was convinced that noone liked traditional animation as 3D was all the hype back then. I guess they were partially right but it still saddens me, because cool Sci-Fi story was forgotten for sake of... Chicken Little...
@@SacredCowShipyards
Any chance we might see commentary on the Honor Harrington (or other Weber-created) starships?
Dunno if book-verse reviews are your thing, but it'd be cool to hear your take on the subject.
@@OmegaEnvych I have always thought that Titan AE was cool and I really liked it, but I loved Treasure Planet. I have fond memories of sitting down to watch this with my daughter and seeing the look of wonder and excitement on her face was priceless.
For whatever reason my daughter preferred the Atlantis series and we would watch those over and over, I've always been surprised that it did not get as much love as it (the 1st movie anyway) deserved. Granted, as the movies progressed the story and plots seemed thinner, they were definitely milking that franchise for all its worth.
@@SacredCowShipyards wait, you know of the Harrington series? I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on the ship design there, but since its all books, i understand the difficulty actually doing so
Strangely enough, TIE fighter engines work almost exactly the same way.
SCS if you thought Treasure planet's rule of cool designs are a bit much wait till you get to the Captain Harlock series. The accompanying ship to the Arcadia ( designed by the same person in universe) is a 200 meter long airship design with an age of sail galleon as a Gondola called the Queen Emeraldas. Lets not also get into the fact Space Trains exist as well making travel through known space rather mundane.
Arcadia is freaking badass. I like how at least in some variants of it is has that big honking galleon back but also a bunch of WW1-WW2 dreadnought bits.
Also, the big ol skull and crossbones at the bow.
Some times things just don't need to make sense
And are possibly even the better for it.
250 new subscribers in the last 48 hours or. Jump of 4% that’s statistically pretty good
Heh. Just two weeks ago, we were at less than 250 subscribers, total.
It's been kinda crazy.
TLDR: it's bullshit but it's magical bullshit and it also just happens to look fucking lit so fight me
Treasure Planet is indeed the superior animated adventure movie.
Give his Shipyard-ness money -- for all the coolness he has already delivered
Anyone remember some novels from the 50s or 60s where the StarShips had to open ports in the Hull for the Crew to push out thier cannon barrels to fire at eachother?
I think the premise was that in most of the Universe species generally discovered "StarDrive" around the technological level of Sailing Ships, so they had FTL but also manually loaded muzzleloader Cannons. O.o
Treasure Planet always reminded me of a DisneyFied version of that.
Road not taken by Harry Turtledove. 1985.
@@JackPhoenixCz Yay :D
This movie is SOOOOOOOOO underrated.
Imagine if for a sequel, Disney decided to base it on one of the Aubrey-Maturin books (Master and Commander book series). Think how AWESOME that would be.
Nowadays? It would probably just end up a live action remake lacking any of the soul of the original.
I feel like Disney couldn't manage it anymore honestly, absolutely want so see someone tackle this concept however because I would watch the sh*t out of it
As a relatively young fan of this fandom (im in my twenties. I feel like A-M is mostly in their seventies now), I would commit actual felonies to get an A-M based tv show, film, or anything at this point. It's begging for a GoT type show. Unfortunately, naval media has always been a rare niche, and the early 2000s has the best chance of giving us what we needed. Gladiator and such were coming out. Now we've moved on to other media trends. Roman Empire and Napoleonic history are two niches that we'll not see for a long long while :(
Okay it's not a space story, but Jim Butcher has a book series in the works called the Cinder Spires. The first book is Aeronaut's Windlass, the second book has been sent off to the publisher. This setting has airships that i imagine as very similar to the ones here in Treasure Planet, because they have sails. Jim Butcher definitely shows his love for Horatio Hornblower in the ship to ship combat.
Also i had to watch this video with my wife [= she loves Treasure Planet
TBH the game Treasure Planet: Battle at Procyon makes for a pretty good sequel to the movie.
There is a youtuber I watch who shall for now remain nameless who commented once on treasure planet, saying that he didn't find it particularly great. His actual review went something along the lines of:
"The two main characters and their relationship and thus the very crux of the story are done so incredibly well, that I would go as far as to label the villain one of the best in the entirety of the disney pantheon, with nearly every one of the supporting cast also being incredibly fun and entertaining...
But sails in space makes no sense I dont get it, therefore its bad"
People really just have the exact wrong mindset when approaching this film and it still baffles me how so many refuse to suspend their disbelief for the etherium, yet still buy into shit like MCU films.
The sails in space unabashedly make absolutely no sense and they just wholeheartedly embrace that ridiculousness and that's what makes it /awesome/.
It's sad that my cynical ... whatever passes for my "ass" can comprehend that, and so many people can't.
It is a truly beautiful movie, glad to hear it get some love.
Yep. It's great looking. And sometimes that's all the reason it needs.
Rogue galaxy for the ps2 played around with this type of design.
It can be beautiful when done right.
It ain't about science.
Its about the story it needs to tell
Disney execs are probably working on live action series for Disney+
The series of movies that where made in these more obscure art styles that failed to make bank in their time are but all considered classics nowatimes
Why does that remind me of the starlight sail ship Odin...
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Did I hear correctly? Treasure island has not held well over time? Man or whatever you are, that means you are walking the plank at the first occasion of our meeting.
Just take my money !
Robin Hood is the best Disney animated movie. Ever.
Gotta Agree . VERY cool .
Check out spell jammer from D&D
*SPELLJAMMERS The MOVIE*
You reach a point when something has very transparently given up on the science, and wholly embraced the fantasy in science fantasy. I can't fault a universe that knows what it is and doesn't take itself the least big seriously. Much of the time with fantasy the mystique adds to the charm; don't try to scientifically explain your space wizards, just go with it. Don't rationalize sailing ships in space, focus on the story. I can definitely appreciate treasure planet for not trying to shoehorn in a pseudoscientific bunch of worthless exposition. Seriously though, does anyone actually enjoy pseudoscientific exposition? Does anyone enjoy _actual_ scientific exposition in the _middle_ of a story?
I think how the scientific or worldbuilding exposition is done makes a big difference, if it is in the middle of the story. I however like the approach Christopher Paolini has utilised in To Sleep in a Sea of Stars, wherein he has a scientific paper discussing the physics and science of his universe alongside other world building information as an appendix in the back of the book for those that want it.
Yep, you are an officer...
Once upon a time.
Human? nope, humanoid though...I guess so, lol, and I am still a 'squishy', not from Earth though, I just live here for now. ^^;;
You can't beat Patreon if you want to be charged a ridiculous amount for the privilege of withdrawing your money.
Four minutes of “Get on with it!”
If it was only going to be 4 minutes long because of the rant the video never should have been made in the first place you got to make specific dedicated videos when specifically talking about your plans for the channel and one specifically dedicated to your content
Or I'll keep doing as I please.
I'm surprised you love these space "sailing" ships because you really didn't like other retro styled space ships, like the Yamato and Harlock's ship.
I love ALL of the silly impossible throw back space ships, like this. I love the outrageous Spanish galleon looking ship in Star Wars... I mean... Message From Space. :P Which was basically, what if Vic Morrow was in Star Wars. :)
There's always room for "so ridiculous it has to be appreciated".
"Sacred Cow Shipyards, where no ship is safe from being taken down to its nuts and bolts. Wait, this one has planks and nails! Well, forget it then, it's not worth it!"
And yes, Treasure Planet was a BEAUTIFUL movie, with an equally beautiful story behind it. It primarily broke Disney simply because Disney failed to give one flying flollup to advertise it, and may have actively tried to kill it.
Holy hell, have you ever tried to break down wood that has been soaked in tar for its entire life and then exposed to salt water for most of that life?
NO TOUCHY.
@@SacredCowShipyards : Wrap something clear & sturdy around it for containment, and claim that it's a collectible. After all, even common currency can be collectible.
BREADSWORD has a pretty good breakdown of the craft of the movie and how Disney _de facto_ sacrificed it to kill off traditional animation.
@@ElectromagNick And Atlantis
Oh, you mean just like how they totally covered John Carter of Mars in a huge pile of shit for decades because they had literally NO CLUE as to what they had on their hands?
I always felt like the person who wrote this movie was a fan of Starjammer.
Absolutely
the thought had crossed my mind as well... though the genre does expand well beyond and before spell jammer.
Almost undoubtedly.
I really enjoy both Treaaure Planet and Titan AE. They both fall in the transition period when hand drawn animation was winding down, and CGI was ramping up.
That combination just makes them wonderfully aesthetically and artistically pleasing and unique.
Some people don't feel too great when CGI isn't seemlessly integrated, as you'd see in the older animation.
I am firmly in the opposite camp with you; the combination of hand-drawn and CGI in the 90s-era is just so unique, it's got a certain charm to it.
My only addition here is Atlantis, beyond that, I 100% agree these are some of my favorite animated films, and love many of the ships therein
Should check out the ship designs to come out of the game: taking this aesthetic and fleshing out 3 different navies full of ships, ranging from sloops to supply tenders to ships of the line to freaking submarines and cruisers.
I would love to see how a sub would work in this 'verse
@@UNSCPILOTsimilar to space battleship Yamato?
Much like the ships of Spelljammer (D&D offshoot), awesome concept
Edit; after writing I noticed I am not the first to mention this little gem of a game.
Treasure Planet has a sequel, sort of. There is a game called "Disney's Treasure Planet; Battle at Procyon". Small caveat, there isn't actually a battle in the game at Procyon, so the choice of name is interesting. This game picks up the story sometime after the movie, and you are of course Jim Hawkins, now young adult and navy cadet. It brings the universe more to life, but it is about a war brewing between the Royal Navy, and an unknown foe. There are also pirates, stellar phenomena, rival powers and merchant shipping, and all else that makes for a Caribbean adventure in space! It is tall ships combat in space, except it isn't. It plays similar to the old Star Trek; Starfleet Command games, except its not identical. It actually has a lot of story in it. There is a skirmish vs AI option. The game is very old now though, and there is no chance of actual multiplayer. But that's not the point. The point is the game itself, and its story. It adds a new chapter. And it is actually somewhat well made. Not as well as the movie perhaps, and a bit childish, but it is for the lack of any other descriptive word, satisfactory. The game and its combat, in its simplicity could even be said to be good. If you really liked Treasure Planet as a movie, I would suggest picking up the game for a laugh. It is actually available on Steam, and not all that expensive.
It’s a wonderful dream of spacers surfing the nebulas on gilded ships.
If you like this you should review the Space Battleship Yamato.
And now i am waiting for a Titan AE episode!
The Dredje in itself are somehwat interesting, if terifieng.
I liked Titan AE as well and while it was cool and all, it lacked something that TP had. I dunno if it was just the weight of the classic story behind it or what, but the sailing vessels were just...WOW!
I'd be interested to see him tear into the Titan itself for sure
There was a sequel planned, and it sounded halfway decent, but Disney killed it. It seems they were upset that after they horribly botched the marketing for this, nobody went to see it, Combine that with the absurd production costs, and it just wasn't going to happen.
Very underrated movie.
Ornithopters, Imperial Walkers, space sailboats . . . Some stuff is just cool to imagine, is all.
A criminally under appreciated movie to be sure.
With enough sentient monkeys pounding away in an enclosure full of writing machines....
7:50 Not "some" but MOST things should be left alone in today's entertainment. Sadly that is not the case. Sure, recycling is supposed to be good for the environment, but recycled "entertainment" is just disgusting more often than not. These days pretty much all I see being put out there is either a "reboot", a "remake", or a "reboot of a remake" - no creativity whatsoever. And don't even get me started on all the socio-political "messaging" going on... ..that would be a tirade and a half - and I'd very much prefer the pressure of my operating fluids to stay on this side of the redline, thank you very much.
Ahem.... Dune. Syfy did a pretty good job at adapting it on a relatively shoestring budget about 10-15 years ago, but that just needed to be redone after the Acid Trip of a movie that was Dune 1984. There are some things that deserve a revisit with the technical ability of today, so long as they are done faithfully. I hear about a Princess Bride remake though, and I will personally be ready to kick some ass. Some times you just catch lightning in a bottle, and you shouldn't try for a second time.
treasure planet is the first good mix/adaptation of a game and a book, is based of D&D rules of how the space and the universe works and has the setting of treasure island, is just great
Then there's Outlaw Star which is basically Treasure Island but with alot of side Quests.
Give em time... They'll shit the bed eventually with a crappy sequel.... Greed does as greed does.
Great but underappreciated Disney movies? Atlantis for sure, gotta LOVE the brutalistic Dieselpunk next to the beautiful Steampunk with a bunch of magic in it.
Kingsisle Games' MMO Pirate 101 does it better IMHO. Sure, it's a kids' game, but it's a fun kids' game and it doesn't take itself seriously.
When I saw this when I was young. My imagination did backflips tryna justify these ships
Well great the robots now can pass the freaking Turing test .
Honesty is needed more especially for us squishy. Love it, keep it up or not thats what makes this great!
Sailing space ships
Message From the Stars.
for the record disney tried everything they could to kill this movie before it even got to exist
Hardly ever have i wanted to run off so quickly to start kitbashing my way to a few models of those ships. Stunning!!!
Gotta build them in bottles, though.
If that's "begging for money", you have a peculiar definition of "begging" ;)
I have peculiar definitions of lots of things.
Did you ever cover spelljammer?
Not yet, we may get there.
Loved this movie as kid, rediscovered it as teen, still love it to this day.
Disney ripping off Star Fleet with the idea of an actual Sailing Ship flying in space, and then Doctor Who did too with a fleet of them.
Doctor Who also copied the Starship Titanic and Galaxy Express 999.
@@barrybend7189 starlight sail ship Odin....
Why aren't you using this intergalactic dog currency ?
Could do patreon tiers as diffrent level of docking passes.
If we get popular enough, we might just, but I doubt we will.
@@SacredCowShipyards you never know but some people use custom names for tiers was tossing an idea to the dock master for evaluation as a means to extract extra funds from docking captains. Also the channel has been selected by the RUclips A.I algorithm and get pushed in results of videos with similar topics.
Good to hear you enjoyed.
Disney had a couple really good movies at that time, i liked Lilo & Stitch, Emperor´s new Groove and their Tarzan take.
But i´m also a big fan of some of their timeless classics, my personal favorite of those is their Robin Hood. It´s fantastic and among the best Robin Hood versions, ranking as high as
Mel Brook´s Men in Tights. Masterpieces, both.
Treasure Planet had its weaknesses, but it certainly also had its strengths and they should be appreciated.
Remember the commercials.
Disney so HATED this movie that they quite literally SPOILED the movie's biggest twist to drive potential customers away.
IN DROVES.
A excellent video 👌! Do you think you could review spelljammer ships from dnd?
Boy would I live to see you pick apart the Galaxy Railroads Locomotives/trains.
There were plans for a sequel with the mc helping stop a robber of a brand new ship but that fell through
I seriously believe you are P. Andrew Torres of "Opening Arguments".
now do the ships of Spaceballs. It could be an April fools episode and I would still be happy.
What, thats it?
Amen ,this man PREACHIN!
sooo were doing harlock space pirate 2013 next?
Hm. I think I added that to a viewing list somewhere.
@@SacredCowShipyards Sweet! Unironically love that anime even if it was frankly stupid as hell(in that anime style way). Now how about a look at some of the ships, tactics, or stations of Legends of The Galactic Heroes hmm?
@@SacredCowShipyards considering the Harlock, Emeraldas and Galaxy Express meta series its the creator getting to stretch his legs.
Message From Space vibe here.
Disregard my previous comment I just found this video