Looks like a good defense round but they really need to rename these something innocuous. "Vampire fang" is enough to get your life ruined by some activist prosecutor.
Thanks for the videos bro, I went from having a passing interest to getting a PS90 and now I have a FN FiveSeveN MKII and S&W MP 5.7; the 5.7 bug escalated quite quickly for me.
Another awesome test from the king of 5.7, and always great to see a loading that performs well. Hopefully we can get more loads with good performance.
to summarize... bullet goes through soft level 3a and penetrates 12.5" in gel. bullet goes through bare gel and penetrates 15.5" in gel. So, Level 3a panel = 3" of gel. Meanwhile, claims are out there that skin = 4" of gel. Who knew skin was so good at reducing penetration in gel?...better than Level 3a armor? hmmm....
Not bad considering a 5.7x28 cartridge weighs 93 grains And 9x19mm (M882 NATO) weighs 180 grains. Half the weight per cartridge and close results on target.
@@Stormcloakvictoryare you talking the weight of the projectile and the case? 9mm nato is 124 gr these are 32gr projectiles. Still, a huge weight and space savings in favor of the 5.7.
this man has been covering this round for 10 plus years way before i fell in love with my mp 57 edc, i subbed for sure but i wish he would do more test with the tempo barrel system 5 inch barrel
I believe not enough people know about velocity and barrel lengths helping to increase velocity … Great content to figure out which pistol would produce the most velocity with certain cartridges
Matt I went back and checked the Speer Gold Dot and sure enough it was 6 pedal not the 4 pedal I thought. I still have quite a bit of it. Glad I paid less than a buck a round. Wasn’t impressed with it The VF is great. I have some of it and use it and the HP round from VGO. Love the video!
Last time i bought from them it took almost 6 months to get the ammo. If thats the best a company can do ill shop elsewhere. Have you reviewed the Vanguard Outfitters GPM? I searched for a review of it and nothing is popping up for your channel.
I love the 5.7 I really appreciate your videos there are other RUclipsrs out there that are terrible and think the 5.7 is trash will you please make a video where you shoot a gel block with a 5.7 Vanguard or ss190 versus a high-quality 9 mm and a high-quality 45 to show us penetration and wound cavity. Please
I could. But most of the 15 second attention span people won't bother to understand that pistol wounding (crushing and tearing direct path) is different then longer pointy rounds like 5.7 and 5.56..
The best caliber. Been looking forward to this one. I’ll have to check my box to see how much I have left of this load. I remember having feeding issues. I bet this load would feed in the MK1 magazine with Elite spring.
What's your gut telling you? Velocity aside (which I'm not expecting anything amazing from that, I already found out through my research that the Hornady FTX bullet 40 grain will only be traveling 1810 FPS), do you expect this to be an actual excellent self defense round round that will give excellent penetration or do you think it will be like all the others?@@BuffRANGE
Hey Buffman, any plans to bring us some 7.5 FK content (5.7's bigger brother). We can work out the details on the Files' if you would like a donor pistol & ammunition for testing.
I'd love to mess with 7.5 FK. Not sure to what end I could test that hasn't been done already, but depending on bullet selection might be an easy armor win over 44 mag.
So is it worth transitioning from BDF'S to vampire fangs or just keep buying BDF'S. Happy with what I have and when I need to get more to cycle them out I would like to get the more reliable rounds.
@@BuffRANGE Funnily enough the pistol, I have the acss reticle on my 5.7 and it really has improved my ability to get good shot placement even though I semi frequently go shooting and at ranges that only support 25 yard pistol shooting max. Just curious if the downside to using BDF/VF being a loss in accuracy compared to commercial loads and would this be pronounced enough to hinder shooting past 25 yards like going 50-100. Its just a thought I have, I know I should go to an outdoor range and find out for myself Just been putting it off.
@@eriknilsen3350 I tested the LC at 100 yards awhile back with some factory loads and it's accuracy was OK. 3-4 MOA IIRC. If I have the chance I'll have to see what I can put together.
The theory of “hydrostatic shock” is kind of a myth. These rounds are over 2000 fps and in theory the temporary cavity they make could impart extra permanent wounding. My sample size is only 100 rounds. I’ve never had a feeding issue with this copper solid design
@@BuffRANGE The reason I asked is I watched an FBI video from last year where the ballistics expert said hydrostatic shock happens over 2100fps, and he was very confident in what he was saying. Having said that, I don't really see it gel, but I have seen very expansive holes in watermelons that don't make sense in terms of their width. Much wider than the cavitation seen in gel.
@BuffRANGE Maybe be just a common defensive load like HST or Gold Dot. I know the rounds are completely different, but 5.7 chambered handguns are marketed as "defensive handguns," so I think it would be informative to compare the wound channels of Vampire Fang and other good 5.7 rounds to some tried and proven 9mm defensive loads.
Is it out yet? It sounds very capable and based on the Hercules and Ares (Now Hercules Extreme I think) it will be a good plate, but I can't say for 100% until I test it.
VBR over in Belgium I think was first to bring a design like this to market. The brass I think is more brittle and more easily facilitates the segments breaking off. IT seems this copper doesn't, or the stems have been removed in favor of keeping the bullet in one piece.
Interesting! Didn’t the Hornady rounds penetrate better out of a shorter barrel? I might be confused but I remember Hornady penetrating 16” out of the rock.
The only issue I’ve had with the Vanguard rounds is the bullet comes out of the neck occasionally when unloading and cycling a round out then into the camber. Makes me wonder if I could crimp the necks myself to help them stay together better.
You are the only other person ive seen have this issue i thought i did something wrong when storing my ammo or somrthing but half of one of my boxes of bdf did this. No issues with the gpm so far but atleast they sent me a new box and a box of ss197 to make up for the issue. New box was fine
Hmm, I like the grooves on these vs the previous drive banded variety. The bearing surface is already low enough that using drive band tech is unnecessary. If you could find out whether VO is now using this bullet config in their loading or not would be really helpful. It might push me over the edge to finally getting a 5.7 handgun.
These were a version of projectile we had remaining from a special order who wanted sharp tips. We were seeing how the feedback was to determine if we might offer them on a regular basis.
Hey YT likes to delete comments for no reason especially if they have links. I do not delete anyone's comments unless they're racist or of very very poor taste. I don't even remember seeing your comment?
@@BuffRANGE I was the second comment as the video premiered. Anyway, it was a far fetched ask, so I thought you deleted it, apologies. New York now has those robotic Boston Dymanic dogs working for their police. I have 0 plans to open fire on their equipment - but their increased use has me wondering what round, if any, could render one inoperable. Out of all the gun tubers, you're one of the few that does extraneous testing on various calibers. You have any idea on what caliber / round would be up to the task?
So excited for this! Been waiting! Those look so sweet and amazing performance from all barrel lengths especially the LC carbine. I'll have to grab some. Good work man! Where'd you find the extended mag base for the ruger?
The Ruger is F5. I don't recommend them because their customer service seems non existent. They sent me the kit years ago and the mag release was too big to fit he frame. They said they were processing some dimension changes, and even months/years after that exchange have still failed to acknowledge trying to replace it. Ohh well :|. You could always but a PSA Rock mag and the Excess +7..
@@saylessaeetovn9887 CMMG sent the 8" for free. SO I was only in the pistol lower at the time that was like 200. So doing an upper and your own lower would be/should be cheaper.
@@BuffRANGE i would also love to see it. close to a $1 per round, and in my experience that is a similar price to SS198LF, but i am not heavily experienced in buying that. if the zombo down (horrible name) is a good defensive round at an affordable cost, i will probably stock up on that over time.
Case fill vs powder efficiency, I tend to run out of room. I think I've gotten 28gr stuff to 3700 fps from my 22". Maybe I try some H335. I have chucked SS198 at 4400+ in 22CM with a 18" barrel :O
@@BuffRANGEOn an unrelated note, have you/would you ever do a video on your EDC setup? Pistol, accessories, ammo, etc? I assume you EDC a 5.7 pistol of some kind?
@@rudukai13 I typically EDC my FSN 9C with a backup mag, 124gr or 147gr HST +P. Cheap AA flashlight, pocket knife. I do rotate my FN FSN in sometimes and that's T6B and Pro1.
Vanguard is an excellent company to do business with, great product, service and some wonderful communications from them. I would only buy Vanguard or Elite Ammunition if you need the best defensive rounds. 7.0 grains is a lot of powder, anyone know what brand they’re using. 4.7 grains is considered maximum for True Blue powder. Thank you!
Hi. We use a variety of powders overall but generally they are OEM from the powder manufacturers like St. Marks. Our primary powder is OEM and does not have a direct retail shelf equal. We do use some shelf powders like power pistol in some loads.
I bought some a couple years ago and I just recently tried to buy some couple months ago and no response nothing he won’t return ur call or you can’t buy them straight off website
@@BuffRANGE yeah, contemplated the Dragon Fang years ago but with my poor primer strike issue from EA I hesitated. Probably gonna pull the trigger on these before they vanish again 😅
@@cgooch_ Tongue in cheek kind of comment. I actually work in IT. The shooting side of things remains separate and I try not to take funds away from the family income to support this hobby :D
One easy reason is I've validated those designs and have completed reviews on them at one point in time. The Ruger LC and Rock are on going evaluations so I tend to use them whenever. I also somewhat would rather give limelight to companies who are doing more to support this caliber :D
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Looks like a good defense round but they really need to rename these something innocuous. "Vampire fang" is enough to get your life ruined by some activist prosecutor.
Fuck em . I used to think that way but we need to stop tippy toeing around these fools . It’s marketing , doesn’t change my self defense case
''under qualified surgeons''
Regime prosecutor.
Rename it to the “district attorney” for the lulz
I propose the name, 'Non-binary Contra-Dick-Shins'
Thanks for the videos bro, I went from having a passing interest to getting a PS90 and now I have a FN FiveSeveN MKII and S&W MP 5.7; the 5.7 bug escalated quite quickly for me.
Right on
I wish you and Banana Ballistics would do a collaboration video!!! You both do excellent work and are humorous.
Maybe one day! I've sent him a few goodies to have fun with :D
It's tiiiiiime to grinddd 🍌
Another awesome test from the king of 5.7, and always great to see a loading that performs well. Hopefully we can get more loads with good performance.
to summarize...
bullet goes through soft level 3a and penetrates 12.5" in gel.
bullet goes through bare gel and penetrates 15.5" in gel.
So, Level 3a panel = 3" of gel.
Meanwhile, claims are out there that skin = 4" of gel.
Who knew skin was so good at reducing penetration in gel?...better than Level 3a armor?
hmmm....
The only good source for real data is this channel. Thanks Buffman.
You are most welcome!
Awesome review 👍🏻And thank U for everything U do for the 5.7 community 😊
My pleasure!!
Wow, nice to see nearly 9mm energy levels for once from a handgun.
😁
be nice, thats pretty good for a 22
Not bad considering a 5.7x28 cartridge weighs 93 grains
And 9x19mm (M882 NATO) weighs 180 grains.
Half the weight per cartridge and close results on target.
@@Stormcloakvictoryare you talking the weight of the projectile and the case? 9mm nato is 124 gr these are 32gr projectiles. Still, a huge weight and space savings in favor of the 5.7.
@@rre9121556 can get 4x energy… it’s a 22.
@@DIYDad1 sadly I don't know what these vanguards weigh, and I meant the whole total weight per round, not just the projectile btw 👍
this man has been covering this round for 10 plus years way before i fell in love with my mp 57 edc, i subbed for sure but i wish he would do more test with the tempo barrel system 5 inch barrel
honestly might buy him the gun and ask em to do the video
Same. Once S&W came out with the M&P 5.7 , I knew that was gonna be my edc. Nice to see better ammo being available 💪🏿
@@KiwiKaine no accessories ever coming for us though
My EDC now also. Love it
I still have no idea how you don’t have well over 100k subs for the quality of video you produce.
I really wish I knew. Maybe I’m not for everyone? Or YT has the control to only let me grow a tiny bit every month :/
True
I believe not enough people know about velocity and barrel lengths helping to increase velocity … Great content to figure out which pistol would produce the most velocity with certain cartridges
I’m always looking for content like this. It’s very surprising I’ve never come across this channel. Subbed immediately.
@@TexasThunder.338 Thanks!
Matt
I went back and checked the Speer Gold Dot and sure enough it was 6 pedal not the 4 pedal I thought. I still have quite a bit of it. Glad I paid less than a buck a round. Wasn’t impressed with it
The VF is great. I have some of it and use it and the HP round from VGO.
Love the video!
I need to get the HP (GPM) VO done next.
Is anyone using this as a varmint/coyote round, be interesting to learn their experiences.
I picked up a few boxes of they're Black Dragon Fang. Its alway instock unlike Elite T6B
Yep, I don't know why EA isn't actively doing more to try to get their ammo in stock.
Last time i bought from them it took almost 6 months to get the ammo. If thats the best a company can do ill shop elsewhere. Have you reviewed the Vanguard Outfitters GPM? I searched for a review of it and nothing is popping up for your channel.
@@PracticalTacticalSheepDog I have it done. I just need to edit it
In stock but still takes a month or two to actually get it, that's been my experience at least.
@@BuffRANGEi bought a few boxes of it because it was so much cheaper. Does it still punch through 3A?
I really enjoy these unique loads. Do more of these!
I rather have a PCC in 357 Sig. They should make one.
I love the 5.7 I really appreciate your videos there are other RUclipsrs out there that are terrible and think the 5.7 is trash will you please make a video where you shoot a gel block with a 5.7 Vanguard or ss190 versus a high-quality 9 mm and a high-quality 45 to show us penetration and wound cavity. Please
I could. But most of the 15 second attention span people won't bother to understand that pistol wounding (crushing and tearing direct path) is different then longer pointy rounds like 5.7 and 5.56..
Now made with real vampire chunks.
Wow, our Rocks are setup exactly the same! Even the 30 round extension!
I'm really getting tired of all the 5.7 stuff.
Because I am too broke to get into 5.7 :-) Seriously considering a Rock though.
The best caliber. Been looking forward to this one. I’ll have to check my box to see how much I have left of this load. I remember having feeding issues. I bet this load would feed in the MK1 magazine with Elite spring.
Do you prefer this vampire round over the original black dragon fang?
Whatever I can get my hands on. I would prefer a lighter variant to get the velocity over 2300 fps..
buffman when you reviewing the new hornady critical defense 5.7 stuff?
As soon as someone has them in stock. I've reached to Hornady 2 different avenue's with no response.
What's your gut telling you? Velocity aside (which I'm not expecting anything amazing from that, I already found out through my research that the Hornady FTX bullet 40 grain will only be traveling 1810 FPS), do you expect this to be an actual excellent self defense round round that will give excellent penetration or do you think it will be like all the others?@@BuffRANGE
@@tihnsorfjw Gut, it will be weak underpowered 40gr , but the flex tip COULD help us get some expansion.
Hey Buffman, any plans to bring us some 7.5 FK content (5.7's bigger brother). We can work out the details on the Files' if you would like a donor pistol & ammunition for testing.
I'd love to mess with 7.5 FK. Not sure to what end I could test that hasn't been done already, but depending on bullet selection might be an easy armor win over 44 mag.
@@BuffRANGE I'll send you a PM on the Files'.
So is it worth transitioning from BDF'S to vampire fangs or just keep buying BDF'S. Happy with what I have and when I need to get more to cycle them out I would like to get the more reliable rounds.
Personally I would use them interchangeably. I see nothing of advantage of the VF over the BDF. They both seem to perform very similar.
@@BuffRANGE gotcha, thanks for the video. I am interested to see what kind of accuracy you can get outside of 25 meters.
@@eriknilsen3350out of what gun? Pistol, PDW or carbine ? I can request some more and see what I can do.
@@BuffRANGE Funnily enough the pistol, I have the acss reticle on my 5.7 and it really has improved my ability to get good shot placement even though I semi frequently go shooting and at ranges that only support 25 yard pistol shooting max. Just curious if the downside to using BDF/VF being a loss in accuracy compared to commercial loads and would this be pronounced enough to hinder shooting past 25 yards like going 50-100. Its just a thought I have, I know I should go to an outdoor range and find out for myself Just been putting it off.
@@eriknilsen3350 I tested the LC at 100 yards awhile back with some factory loads and it's accuracy was OK. 3-4 MOA IIRC. If I have the chance I'll have to see what I can put together.
Do gel test show hydrostatic shock? And how reliable is this round?
The theory of “hydrostatic shock” is kind of a myth. These rounds are over 2000 fps and in theory the temporary cavity they make could impart extra permanent wounding. My sample size is only 100 rounds. I’ve never had a feeding issue with this copper solid design
@@BuffRANGE The reason I asked is I watched an FBI video from last year where the ballistics expert said hydrostatic shock happens over 2100fps, and he was very confident in what he was saying. Having said that, I don't really see it gel, but I have seen very expansive holes in watermelons that don't make sense in terms of their width. Much wider than the cavitation seen in gel.
I would like to see this compared to 9mm in gell.
The wounding mechanism of a 9mm round is completely different depending on the bullet. Which 9mm load? and what are you looking for comparison wise?
@BuffRANGE Maybe be just a common defensive load like HST or Gold Dot. I know the rounds are completely different, but 5.7 chambered handguns are marketed as "defensive handguns," so I think it would be informative to compare the wound channels of Vampire Fang and other good 5.7 rounds to some tried and proven 9mm defensive loads.
What do you think about Spartan Armor Systems Hercules RF2?
Is it out yet? It sounds very capable and based on the Hercules and Ares (Now Hercules Extreme I think) it will be a good plate, but I can't say for 100% until I test it.
@@BuffRANGE It’s on the website but not available for purchase just yet. Maybe you can get early access cause “you da man”!!! Lol
Such a weird design. Iirc there was a solid copper one with thinner stems, it was designed to fragment
VBR over in Belgium I think was first to bring a design like this to market. The brass I think is more brittle and more easily facilitates the segments breaking off. IT seems this copper doesn't, or the stems have been removed in favor of keeping the bullet in one piece.
Very impressive, thanks for that review!
My pleasure!
Interesting! Didn’t the Hornady rounds penetrate better out of a shorter barrel? I might be confused but I remember Hornady penetrating 16” out of the rock.
roughly about the same. 15.75"
Goodstuff as always
Thanks man!
The only issue I’ve had with the Vanguard rounds is the bullet comes out of the neck occasionally when unloading and cycling a round out then into the camber. Makes me wonder if I could crimp the necks myself to help them stay together better.
Yeah I think VO should get a collet crimp to help combat this.
You are the only other person ive seen have this issue i thought i did something wrong when storing my ammo or somrthing but half of one of my boxes of bdf did this. No issues with the gpm so far but atleast they sent me a new box and a box of ss197 to make up for the issue. New box was fine
Solid test.
Performed great, but it's still a little slower than the older lots of BDF I've got.
Yeah I agree. I would like if he pushed them a little hotter.
RoaR
Dragon's Blood!
This projectile in a 5.56 would be wild
I have some 40gr PFP from EA I'm trying to load into 22CM :O
@@BuffRANGE damn, that would be crazy
Blade reference is awesome
*watches 5.7 gel test* That's not great... *watches 8.6 blackout gel test* Nevermind, it could be worse.
Were you expecting some kind of massive 5.56 wound channel?
Hmm, I like the grooves on these vs the previous drive banded variety. The bearing surface is already low enough that using drive band tech is unnecessary.
If you could find out whether VO is now using this bullet config in their loading or not would be really helpful. It might push me over the edge to finally getting a 5.7 handgun.
These were a version of projectile we had remaining from a special order who wanted sharp tips. We were seeing how the feedback was to determine if we might offer them on a regular basis.
Delt day. What is your favorite delt lift. Non arnie press. Just dipped my toe into the 5.7 world with a Tisas. Love your Chrono display. Amazing.
Do Strict Presses, Thrusters, Push Press, Jerks count?
Blade is such an amazing bad movie lol
How Dare you> I thought it was a good movie given the time at which it was released
Buffman what ever happened to those 4.6 hornady black rounds you showed a while back any numbers or gel tests with those ?
I need to edit the video :D
My favorite youtube channel
Why was my comment deleted? I wasn't being facetious, I really think that test could teach us a lot.
Hey YT likes to delete comments for no reason especially if they have links. I do not delete anyone's comments unless they're racist or of very very poor taste. I don't even remember seeing your comment?
@@BuffRANGE I was the second comment as the video premiered. Anyway, it was a far fetched ask, so I thought you deleted it, apologies.
New York now has those robotic Boston Dymanic dogs working for their police. I have 0 plans to open fire on their equipment - but their increased use has me wondering what round, if any, could render one inoperable.
Out of all the gun tubers, you're one of the few that does extraneous testing on various calibers. You have any idea on what caliber / round would be up to the task?
More good work.
So excited for this! Been waiting! Those look so sweet and amazing performance from all barrel lengths especially the LC carbine. I'll have to grab some. Good work man! Where'd you find the extended mag base for the ruger?
The Ruger is F5. I don't recommend them because their customer service seems non existent. They sent me the kit years ago and the mag release was too big to fit he frame. They said they were processing some dimension changes, and even months/years after that exchange have still failed to acknowledge trying to replace it. Ohh well :|. You could always but a PSA Rock mag and the Excess +7..
Thanks! Rock mags work fine?
@@pablosotelo1820 They sometimes don't want to drop free. At least in my experience
i also have another question about your 8 inch cmmg did you build yours like on the website or did you buy upper and lower receivers
I got my upper from CMMG and slapped it on a PSA lower :D
@@BuffRANGE thinking of building one was it cheaper ?
Yeah like 4 to 5 hundred cheaper if you use 5 or 8 inch barrel from cmmg
@@saylessaeetovn9887 CMMG sent the 8" for free. SO I was only in the pistol lower at the time that was like 200. So doing an upper and your own lower would be/should be cheaper.
I recently ordered some zombo down rounds from VO I should be getting them next week, would love for you test some of those as well
I could ask then about testing it. I think it’s a 35gr ntx.
@@BuffRANGEwould be great! Appreciate all you do Buffman 🔥
@@BuffRANGE i would also love to see it. close to a $1 per round, and in my experience that is a similar price to SS198LF, but i am not heavily experienced in buying that. if the zombo down (horrible name) is a good defensive round at an affordable cost, i will probably stock up on that over time.
Amazing video
Great review Buffman!
Thanks for watching
Love ur content man! Gonna reload those ballistic gel only bullets?
haha, I throw them in the cup to send to the guys who make clear resin art.
Are there any bolt actions chambered in 5.7x28mm?
zero commercially.
@@BuffRANGE That's a shame.
Savage model 25. Possibly discontinued.
@@imperfectlump6070That never went into production
Boutique 5.56 NATO Kurz
Pointy ones at that :D
I want to see someone load this in 5.56... How close to 4000 fps do you think you'd get in a 20" barrel?
Case fill vs powder efficiency, I tend to run out of room. I think I've gotten 28gr stuff to 3700 fps from my 22". Maybe I try some H335. I have chucked SS198 at 4400+ in 22CM with a 18" barrel :O
You have any thoughts on the prototype PSA X5.7 Not-A-MP7?
I want one :D
Yeah it’s really the first 5.7 firearm that’s really made me consider buying one. They did a good job filling that niche
@@BuffRANGEOn an unrelated note, have you/would you ever do a video on your EDC setup? Pistol, accessories, ammo, etc? I assume you EDC a 5.7 pistol of some kind?
@@rudukai13 I typically EDC my FSN 9C with a backup mag, 124gr or 147gr HST +P. Cheap AA flashlight, pocket knife. I do rotate my FN FSN in sometimes and that's T6B and Pro1.
@@BuffRANGEWhy not EDC a 5.7 pistol?
How much louder is 5.7x28 suppressed vs 9mm suppressed?
5.7 supers are like 130-134db. 9mm suppressed supers are around the same typically.
Hi can you do a vid or a short on removing the base plate on the PSA Rock and adding the excess arms mag extension 🙏🙏🙏🙏
They don’t have a video?
Vanguard is an excellent company to do business with, great product, service and some wonderful communications from them. I would only buy Vanguard or Elite Ammunition if you need the best defensive rounds. 7.0 grains is a lot of powder, anyone know what brand they’re using. 4.7 grains is considered maximum for True Blue powder. Thank you!
I'm guessing they won't tell :D
Hi. We use a variety of powders overall but generally they are OEM from the powder manufacturers like St. Marks. Our primary powder is OEM and does not have a direct retail shelf equal. We do use some shelf powders like power pistol in some loads.
I bought some a couple years ago and I just recently tried to buy some couple months ago and no response nothing he won’t return ur call or you can’t buy them straight off website
I bought these literally straight off his website..
Great review!!👍🏼🤙🏽
Thank you !
Thanks for the review. Do you happen to have any information on the Vanguard “Zombo Down” load that they released? Looking forward to your next video.
Only that it's like the 35gr NTX or similar bullet. I can request some to test.
Appreciate the information. Thank you.
Youll have to try it with a full mag to see if give any feeding issues
lol Dumb marketing gets dumb customers.
Buying something named like this is asking hard for a large legal defense bill.😂
has anyone actually been found guilty of such a wildly perpetuated internet myth
@@BuffRANGEFudd Lore is the worst lore.
Wait, they’re making these again?
Yeah they have been for 6-7 months.
@@BuffRANGE yeah, contemplated the Dragon Fang years ago but with my poor primer strike issue from EA I hesitated. Probably gonna pull the trigger on these before they vanish again 😅
@@BuffRANGEstarving artist you say? Seriously? What sort of work do you do? =D
@@cgooch_ Tongue in cheek kind of comment. I actually work in IT. The shooting side of things remains separate and I try not to take funds away from the family income to support this hobby :D
@@BuffRANGE I getcha. Keep doing what you do ;)
Nice thumbnail lol 😝
It's the finest thumbnail that Photoshop Elements and my skillset can muster :D
Excellent Quality Content..😊
Thanks a lot 😊
Good video 👍
Thanks 👍
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I counter with . .
@@BuffRANGEfor the algorithm……
Yoo buffman is there a reason your not shooting with the FN anymore?
One easy reason is I've validated those designs and have completed reviews on them at one point in time. The Ruger LC and Rock are on going evaluations so I tend to use them whenever. I also somewhat would rather give limelight to companies who are doing more to support this caliber :D
@@BuffRANGE Based