Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 279: Montreal Revisited
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2019
- This week on the Experience, after his recent televised confession, Jim revisits the Montreal Screwjob! Jim talks about what really went down between Bret, Shawn & Vince, sharing his thoughts about the recent Montreal episode of Dark Side Of The Ring, while shedding all new light on wrestling's most infamous match!
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Lesson: don't ever dare Corney to do anything or he might just create the most controversial wrestling finish in history.
Cornette a few years ago: "If the finish was my idea I wouldn't admit it in public, because it's a 'No Win' situation"
Cornette Now: "IT WAS MEEEE, BRET"
Jim Ross: "AWE SUNOVA BITCH!"
Just about sums it up tbh LMFAO!!!
The statue of limitations is beyond over. At the the time it wasn't a good idea to fess up.
"It was me Hitman. It was me all along" Jim Cornette 2019
@John Volken He did it.....for the Rock
He did it... for the people.
Shut'cher mouth ya thong-wearin fatty!
J.R.: "Aw, sonovabitch!"
KONO CORNETTE DA
26:36 Dark Side Of The Ring discussion.
Evilucian you sir are the real MVP
Thank you Evilucian!
You are a legend. Thanks for giving me back time I couldn't get back
Thanks
Thank you!
That story about Stacy being out of the will if she doesn’t assist Jim pissing on Russo’s grave is hilarious.
The mere fact we're still talking about The Montreal screwjob speaks volumes about the incident.
I agree
I also agree
I also agree.
Agreed
The greatest angle in wrestling history
Poor Corny just can't win. the one time Vince listens to him is the time Jim doesn't want him to do it.
Cornette doesn't have anything to be ashamed of because Vince was probably thinking about doing a screw job anyway!
@@pulsarstargrave256 If he was he wouldn't have mulled it over for several weeks and given everybody involved high anxiety till it was over
@RedLightning\We often forget that Vince pulled a screwjob on Wendi Richter in the 80s so he's not above doing it if he has to! Now, if a wrestler appears in his or her hometown, they had better expect to be booked to lose!
bluhmer1990 lol so true
@@pulsarstargrave256 Double Cross. Do you not listen?
I love the image, of Gerald Briscoe trying to teach Michaels how to actually shoot, the night before the match with Bret; I imagine Gerald watching Shawn attempt the things he taught him, trying to smile and be encouraging to him…all the while thinking to himself: “…Bret’s gonna fucking murder him!”
I love the kayfabe explanation of the match in the beginning. I was genuinely disgusted by Tracy Smothers' actions before I realized I was getting worked. LOL!!
That's just how good Cornette is...
I was thinking to myself at the end "How was this NOT setup?"
Same! I was like goddamn this guy went way off the rails lol. The way Jim explained it was absolutely perfect.
lol yep nobody does it quite like Jim
This man deserves so much more praises than he actualy does. Great mind for the business and respects history. I love Bruce's podcast but I can't help but to feel like everything sounds so much more legit when it comes from Jim. Doesn't dance around topics and shoots straight.👍
Brotha Luv is an office stooge
@@concerta56 Bruce's impressions are second to none though. Especially his impression of Corny. Only JR's Cornette impression comes close.
Jim puts over Brian HUGE at the beginning of every episode😂 it never gets old.
Then Brian immediately shoots down the first thing he brings up
Jim's comments on Notre Dame is incredibly insightful and how I see maintaining and preserving historical artifacts.
Yeah, it was a very thoughtful and inspiring analysis.
13:00
Are you smoking crack? He literally went on a full Trump Derangement Syndrome RANT! He really acted like air dropping water was a ridiculous idea, when it's used all the time.
Jim literally tells the best stories ever. So great to listen too. Just calls it how it was
Most detailed podcast ever.
Would love to hang out with Jim have a beer & just listen to his stories
It's unhealthy how many hours I can blow listening to Cornette speak.
jim inadvertently had a hand in one of the most shocking moments in wwe history
In wrestling history as a whole
How pathetic was Vince Russo on Dark Side of the Ring?!!! He even admitted he wasn't asked to be part of the episode...He asked to be, and then claims he came up with the idea...And gave it to Vince...
That's Vince Russo for you.
@@briancromartie3149 Exactly...Bro ( my Russo impression) lol
@John O Russo is just a liar I don't know people listens to himstill.he hasnt been relevant for nearly 20 years and helped kill wcw
@Brandi lord I 100 percent believe it' was Jim's idea..It's an old school Wrestling finish, both Vince's and Jim were at the Meeting, the only true Wrestling minds there were Cornette and McMahon, Russo and his ("Crash TV") didn't come up with that finish.
Russo is nothing but an attention whore.
00:00 Intro, Plugs x
12:21 Church fire
26:33 Montreal Screwhob DSOTR
Brian's laugh is just fabulous. 😂
The psychology behind Jim's orchestration of the double-cross is amazing to hear.
I love when people still talk about Montreal!
Do not feel bad Jim both Bret and Shawn got a match that will live in the history of wrestling for eternity and both them probably made lots of cash over the years from being interviewed about the Montreal screw job.
They should both send you a big thank you card imo
It wasn't 'Bret won't lose in Canada' it was Bret won't lose to Shawn after all the B'S he'd done.
Ciaran Murren exactly why would bret do the favour to someone who said he would never put him over
It was both.
@@michaelgraham9066 I'm a Bret Hart mark, i'm drawing attention to the mistake many commentators are making.
So you were there for the conversation? Oh you weren't? Then STFU.
@keller blair Exactly, while I agree with Cornette that Hart did maybe take himself too seriously, I tend to believe him over Michaels any day of the week. He's known for screwing folks over and being a diva a-hole back in the day.
Soooo, essentially Corny (albeit unknowingly) booked the Montreal Screwjob?!?!😱
What a great show. Jim was the only one who could put the finish together. Then it all went off the rails.
Wow! Just wow!
The knowledge that Jim Cornette ,of all people, is the reason that wrestling is where it's at today is just mind blowing.
No wonder that he doesn't want credit for it.
*sports entertainment
he did help create John Cena.
@John O Burn in hell
I love Jim Cornette that's never going to change. But I'm in shock that he mastermind the Montreal screw job. Especially given his feelings on Brett and Shawn
"It's Jim 'Hitman', it was Jim all along 'Hitman'!"
J.R.: "Aw, sonovabitch!"
I have a ton of respect for you Jim. You are one of the best minds in the business.
Relax bud
"John Wayne's gotta put the indians over when goes to Metro Goldwin Mayer."
That's what happens when it gets down to nut cuttin' time!
“ so basically it was a big bunch of bullshit!! “
Delighted to hear this angelic voice back to it's full state of sublime divinity.
Jimmy better not sign with WWE and let them promote his podcast or else they'll change its name to "The Jim Cornette Experience Experience"
Lol
Or they'll put "Supershow" at the end
or they'll change the logo because they don't own Corney's face.
he wont he's way too extreme for dubba dubba
Jim never went into this depth of information, but he’s alluded to it before on his podcast before!
I'm a simple man. I see a new Cornette Experience video, I click play. Life is once again good.
Man I could listen to jim talk wrestling for hours great stuff
Bret certainly wasn't the best talker in the business, but he did improve somewhat during his heel run with the whole Canada vs. USA conflict. He's also often been criticized for taking himself too seriously and being his own biggest fan, which is pretty true if you watch some of his interviews. Regardless, he always did have great body language in the ring, whether it was to convey his emotions (anger, fatigue, frustration, etc.), or it was selling. His match with Austin at Wrestlemania 13 was a fucking classic and I think is one of the greatest Wrestlemania matches of all time.
After Austin had passed out from the sharpshooter, you see Bret with his hands on his hips standing defiant and triumphant over his opponent, the volatile, confrontational bastard that had been verbally and physically attacking him for some time after his return to the WWF. This is the guy the people had been cheering. The American people condoned this kind of behavior when Bret saw himself as a hero and role model only to be stabbed in the back. Now it was time for Bret to let out some more pent up frustration by kicking him when he's down. Then his great heel refusal to challenge an intervening Shamrock was pretty sweet. In the end Bret further legitimized himself as one of the best in the business after his long hiatus by winning the match, yet Austin never actually tapped out. They both got over as a heel and face... though depending on where each event was held.
Christian Roy: Heel Bret during the height of the 97 rivalry with Austin and HBK was handsdown the best promo. You never knew whether it was a shoot or work. Bret is the inventor of the pipe bomb, not cm punk.
I watched brets documentary wrestling with shadows on that whole ‘97 year leading up to and ending at the screwjob and I must say they put Bret through the fucking ringer on the way out he didn’t deserve to go through all that shit
It took Alot of sack to tell this. My respect Jimmy
Just in, wrestling manager and Booker Jim Cornette found dead, cause of death is believed to be by sharpshooter
I just found this video, and immediately this is one of my favorite thumbnails for any episode of the Experience. Bravo, Travis, Bravo! Cornette didn't tap!!
Jim and brian, keep up the great work!!!👍
Now I understand why Corny's name isn't mentioned even once in Bret's autobiography. I've always wondered about that since every jabroni I've never heard of is in it, but no a personality like Jim. It all makes sense to me now.
@HEAVY SYSTEMS, Inc.
I've tried to listen to some of Russo's podcasts, but I couldn't take it for more than a few moments. His voice is grating and there's at least one 'bro' in every sentence. Vince Russo even made me hate Matt Riddle who is using 'bro' all the time too.
Amazingly I've never read Brets biography. I love Bret, he was always my favorite talent. I agree with Corny in that if Bret had a flaw beyond his promos, he took himself a bit too seriously.
Hart would have been at home in the business 10-20 years earlier; protect the business and make it look brutal. Corny strikes me as the one who loves the road, the art, the athleticism, and the fun times with the boys. If I could ever pick two people that i wish could train me as a pro wrestler, it'd be Bret and Corny.
@@Dumbledork_Prime bro, imagine if like, bro, Matt Riddle bro, that bro, was on the main rosta', bro. we'd like, strap the rocket to 'em bro, it'll be amazin' bro. alright, let's do this rasslin' thing, bro.
@@JohnSmith-ro2sc that's what makes the great ones great
@@chrischar9428 to an extent, I agree. Look at those like Curt Hennig though. A great, no doubt. But based off everything I've ever heard, Curt never took himself too seriously.
Artwork by Travis Heckel is great as always haha
But why did he have to give Bret stroke mouth?
@@timmutohfan I saw it as a smirk :)
If i knew had (&/or had the talent to,) I would make cartoons for these shows lol
do you know where I could get all of these images in a downloadable format? I'd love to have them as wallpaper on my phone and laptop. I'm friends with Travis on Facebook. I always liked his artwork, especially his Cornette work, and his Paul E. Hitchcock, haha!
ask travis on FB, @@furnitureconsortium
We have heard other podcasts with Jim Cornette where he has discussed the Screwjob, and he has never taken responsibility for the Screwjob. He has always stated that Vince should screw Bret for the belt, but not how to do it, other than not doing the small package. This is the first time I've heard Jim say "it was my spot". I believe him 100% because other than Bruce Pritchard, Patterson, and Briscoe, no one else had the wrestling acumen to come up with that spot. I know for damn sure, it wasn't Russo.
Patterson is one of the best finish guys ever. He could've come up with this.
Bolin is claiming he came up with the sharpshooter finish and Jim took credit for it.
@@daedaethomas47 Pat for sure could’ve but as Jim said, Vince always protected him. Vince had an extreme loyalty to Pat because of his relationship with his Dad.
I can absolutely see Vince not putting Pat in the position of having to screw Bret. My guess is Vince told Pat only when he needed to know - as in right before the show. Pat then had plausible deniability about coming up with the finish.
That was brilliant. Jim and Brian are great
Good to hear Jim get this of his chest!
"Don't dare me to come up with a finish or I'll kill the business" (James Cornette, 1997)
Classic Corny play-by-play at the beginning. I can almost hear Lance Russell, God rest his soul.
Jim it would be even better being visible like Joe rogan podcast 2 c your facial expressions lmao
Jim walks around and rants, i agree, this would be fantastic to watch, can you imagine
YUP I'd PAY to watch Jim go on his rants live. Imagine the drama, the facial expressions, is it a work or a shoot?, oh man do it now Jim I'm honestly surprised he hasn't done something like that already.
I vote for Jim Cornette to go on Joe Rogans podcast. Oh that would be great
Jim cornette, Paul heyman, and Chris Jericho are the best storytellers I’ve ever heard
"No. I'm not gonna let him beat me in Canada" - Bret Hart
“That’s like saying I’m not gonna let someone beat me in the United States cus I’m from the United States!” 😂😂
I don't let anyone beat me in New Jersey 🤓
It wasn’t just about that with the following bret had in Canada it would have hurt him money wise to lose the belt there bret could have lost the belt at the next in your house ppv
Just watch wrestling shadows he has everything recorded they fucked him over for no reason then everyone has changed their stories except him, because they are all pussies
It was only to HBK. He would've dropped it to someone else.
You're a legend Corny
Actually feel like there some closure and makes a lot of sense. Jim had to do what he had to. Vince was a master manipulator and couldn't imagine being in a meeting with him on a situation like that.
" Read the Observer, because Dave had everything " - Jim Cornette. And yet, people will still hate on Meltzer.
Its the only story Dave ever got right because its the only one he ever chose to get accurate as opposed to bullshit.
@@charismatic9904 Not really.
only because Dave is now a sell-out on twitter & needs to be controversial now to get Likes & Hits & attention, since everyone has a voice these days...
Shawn "I'll never put Bret Hart over" Michaels
He never dropped a title except 2 times kinda smart make his character on TV seem more real
Joey G he also dropped the tag titles that he won with Cena.
@Joey G And you see the theme with the 1st, and 3rd one? Scott Hall, and Triple H were friends with Shawn
Bret " i dont wanna drop the belt even though im literally leaving the company " Hart
Most seem to forget Shawn jobbing to Brett throughout the early 90’s during Harts 1st title run. Even jobbed to Brett for the real First ladder match in wwf/e. Brett just didn’t want to see somebody else get a run with the title. Brett the crybaby Hart. 2 words for ya hit man fans, Suck it
I actually listened to this before seeing dark side of the ring. Finally saw the episode and now im back for an even better perspective
"I may have hitmen looking for me." Even when he's not meaning to he makes a funny pun
Wow just wow! I'm stunned hearing this and that's a hell of a secret to keep for so long. Jim should never feel bad though he spoke in frustration about saying screw him and Vince dares him to work how. Jim would never ever know Vince would go for this as Jim stated that they rarely listened to him so he had no reason to think they actually would this time.
Stone Cold: So, you basically came up with the finish, right ?
Vince Russo: Yes
KING: Ahhhhhhh!
JR: Austin got the stunner on Vince Russo BY GOD .
@@YousefTube 😂
Them: who do you believe? Russo or......
Me: the other person
Russo also told stone cold that it was his idea for the rock to refer to himself in the 3rd person. Multiple other people have said that idea came from Jim Ross after seeing Deion Sanders doing it.
Jim's is pretty consistent when he is retelling wrestling stories, so I'll believe Jim before I buy any of Russo's bullshit.
Yeah Jim, its time to go big league and put this show on camera.
Meh
GREAT podcast today.
I am the Justice
@@thejustice3139 I AM THE LAW!
"Tune in next week when Jim talks with our special guest, Eddie Mansfield.". I cannot stop laughing.
Knowing how much JC likes WENDY'S Triple Cheese Burgers I would think He would adore "Where's The Beef? Woman.
Tank Tanner
“Triple Cheeseburger, triple cheese, double mayo, extra onions, motherf*cker!!!”
-Jim Cornette
"I would have to love to screw over Shawn Michaels." lol
Yes would of been great the guy is a snake 🐍
You can say what you want about Bret and how he took things way too serious but at the end of the day all’s shawn had to do was put Bret over at the survivor series and then get his win back at the dx in your house I truly believe Bret when he says all he wanted was for Shawn to show he was willing to do the same thing Bret was willing to do for him especially when Shawn was supposed to put Bret over at mania 13 and pulled out and after all the stories have came out over the years where Shawn was openly saying he was not going to put anyone over plus don’t forget shawn changed the finish to the one night only ppv and wouldn’t put Davey boy over in his hometown
id love a sit down chat with a few burgers and a bong with jim,
Think about it this way...
It took ol' Southern wrasslin' James E. Cornette to put together a New York finish in Canada that McMahon couldn't think of himself and actually be believable. And at the same time to out smart a guy who couldn't be out smarted, Bret Hart.
There is a tale to be told just in the fact that a Southern guy booked a finish for the 2nd generation Northern guy to beat the 2nd generation Canadian guy....
Vince may "hate" Southern people and wrasslin' but between Jerry Jarrett, The Briscoe's, Jim Ross and Jim Cornette. He sure has relied his business in the hardest of times on good ol' Southern wrasslin'....
I love how lucid Corny sounds on this episode; particularly talking about Notre Dame and the Screwjob.
Teddy hart and Davey boy Smith jr may get you on your next MLW show
"That Row had already been plowed!" This is Wrestling History, Folks! Its been a long time that I laught so fucking hard. Greetings From Germany to both of you...
Seems like a few people take credit for the double cross idea. I think Shawn credits HHH as bringing it up, Bruce says a few other people mentioned it but he won't say or doesn't know who brought it up first. And I'm guessing Russo takes credit for it as well.
Fick hhh and bruce
I still wonder what would of happened to Bret if Goldberg didn't injured him. We would of still had a few years of good Hitman wrestling. Shame.
Probably not , wcw wasted him
Would he of been involved in the infamous invasion angle in 2001?
TNA Bret? No thanks.
Sad, by that point Bret was giving them good ideas and they were listening (the steel plate bit for instance). But if Russo still came to WCW, it wouldn't have mattered. He killed WCW.
@Bryan Mack imagine him taking on a returning Shawn Michaels in 2002.
Et tu, Jim? Et tu? Lol🤣
The "Young Pistols" were one of my favorite tag teams!
Why doesn't anyone mention that Shawn was an asshole and said that he would not do the same for Bret? I also thought Bret would have dropped the belt if Shawn dropped it to Owen and Shawn said no so Bret said no as well.
What's the big deal? It was still Mcmahon's call. I agree about Bret taking himself too serious. You didn't best anyone for it Bret. Having said that I'm like Jim I liked Bret more then Michaels.
I love these thumbnails 😂
So in reality carni created the Mr Mchahon character by accident because Vince drawed attention to himself, thinking he would be a baby face, and ultimately leading to the attitude era , Carni is a Genius!!!!
lmao that this pic though 😂😂😂🤣
To play devil's advocate, one of the good things to come out of the demise of kayfabe was the opening up of a whole new avenue for retired wrestlers. People love to hear the old stories and now that the vets were no longer constrained by the pro wrestling version of omerta, they were able to write books, start podcasts and score lucrative speaking engagements by shooting rather than regurgitating the same old storylines and answering the same lame "is wrestling fake?" queries. Would Corny's podcasts and appearances be as lucrative if he had to stick to kayfabe?
As for the effects on modern-day wrestling, well, it's a case of adapt or perish just like any other form of entertainment. Be it vaudeville, burlesque, circuses, big-band music, roller derby, Frankie and Annette, whatever, they all had their day and now they are for the most part gone other than a few scattered nostalgia acts. It would be nice to go back to the days of territories and kayfabe, but there is no unringing that bell. It's not going to happen, best to move on.
Bill Klein wrestling isn't fake it's fixed
I never said it was fake, I said that people ask "Is wrestling fake?"
I, though I hate why, agree with you on the stories of the retired or legends. Kayfabe was a good draw because even though we all knew it was fixed, you liked to be somewhat surprised and was honest to the artform
I wish there was video of Tracy Smothers rampaging out and smashing the artwork and such.
I'm wearing a Bob's Burgers shirt right now haha.
Well we obviously know who one of Dave Meltzer's sources was back in then.
Montreal starts around 26:30
So Jim is inadvertently responsible for inspiring the Montreal Screwjob.
I wish you were still in the business with the tennis racket causing trouble and mayhem, thanks for your work and all you did for wrestling. I respect your comments because they are right, thanks again God bless
Like HBK said: Only Montreal ever talks about is the screwjob
When Bret came back in 97 him and shawn was supposed to have the rematch and Bret was supposed to win then shawn lost his smile he refused to loose to Bret and when they finally had the match Bret was supposed to loose by dq it was on wrestling with shadows he recorded the conversation with Vince either way they screwed my favorite wrestler
@Melanie L If Shawn wasn't a prick he would have. Blame Vince for giving him creative control
@Melanie L Every time I go into it, in every version of the story, I always come out of it siding with Bret. Everyone hated Shawn at the time except HHH.
Melanie L nope, he had it in his contract and he was willing to lose to anyone else even the Brooklyn brawler, it’s just bs and no one can defend Shawn that’s why everyone calls him and HHH little pussies. Because they are
@Melanie L you can say he screwed himself because he was loyal to the company and probably should have never had the match he had a feeling that he was going to be screwed bottom line it's fucked up the way they played him on tv when he stayed dedicated and could have went to wcw a year before Bret deserved better Bret carried that company and he built the Austin era he probably would have gave Austin or undertaker the belt
i havnt heard someone use the word "verklempt" in decades. Hell, youtube or whoever controls the spell correct on here thinks im trying to type "overslept"
Great episode
Love how he is open about HBK
On a side note I got to say I still hate to this day the way Eric Bischoff wasted Bret Hart. The screwjob did change the course a professional wrestling Bret Hart heel turn in the year of 97 was the best his character ever been and the state of WCW capitalizing off of that they turn on baby face right away after the Man spent the whole year being anti-American and he still could have had him come in saying that he was still the truth WWF Champion because Shawn never beat him and he defeated Austin twice on major pay-per-views.
Triple H has historically taken credit for saying “F*ck him if he won’t do business then you do business for him” about Brett and this situation. At the time no one wanted credit for it.
Adam- The Sports Guy According to Prichard, everyone had the idea to screw Bret, but Cornette was the probably the one who came up with the finish.
Triple H just wants to be known for any big thing in wrestling. He was never mentioned in being involved in it til years later. He's just try to write himself into history. He'd take credit for Hulkamania, Austin 3:16 and the nWo if he could.
But the years later up until now watching this video and finding out the real actual truth behind the Montreal Double-Cross from Jim Cornette's own words about what really went down involving Bret Hart. This is a really surprisingly unexpected shocker to me for real. And to also find out that Jim is really close friends with Bret "The Hitman" Hart and the Hart Family and that he didn't really want to have anything to do with the double cross finish, but he didn't really have any other choice at all by having to be pressured and backed into a corner by Vince McMahon. And being forced to come up with the idea of screw job finish. OMG Wow I had no idea that he was responsible for the idea and end result. But at the same time I really feel for him and gained more and a new found respect for Jim Cornette that he was man enough to admit that he fucked up and didn't really wanna go along with the idea though. And what we have in common is we hate Vince Russo's guts and the things that he said about him was hella 🔥 hilarious 😆.
Besides topics of Macho-Elz, Montreal, Brody, Von Erics, what other episodes Vice is doing in their series?
It looks like there will be one on Gino Hernandez and one on Moolah.
I still blame Vince for this. Corny never should have been put in that position.
Can you reupload the promo you cut on Roy Moore.
Bret dropping the belt to shamrock instead of michaels, i would have loved to see that, also stone could vs shamrock wrestlemania WOW! Michaels can still retire until 2002
There's one thing I don't understand... why would the Hart Foundation hit the ring when Bret has Shawn in the Sharpshooter? I reckon DX was planned to interfere first?
Yup
And one more thing that I really needs to add regarding the whole scenario about the infamous Montreal "Double-Cross" situation. Despite still being in a state of shock about the fact of finish being Jim Cornette's own suggested idea, Was an absolute genius and on top of that really changed the whole entire wrestling game and the course of wrestling history forever. And which also recreated, rewritten and reshaped wrestling and how things are done now, involving finishes especially controversial ones. But nonetheless even though Jimbo suggested different and more simple less complicated controversial finishes to Vince McMahon, But Vince wouldn't even take those advice and suggestions and other alternatives, which really was fucked up. Knowing things could've and should've gone differently for real.
47:17 “i shit myself” - Jim Cornette 2019
Damn should stopped by my store in Charleston wv woupd loved to seen ya .. Midnight express great as the rock and roll express ..
Now it makes a lot of sense. Cornette, in shoot interviews, kept mentioning that he left before Hebner did. That never made any sense... Until now.
At the end of the day, it was Vince McMahons call on what to do.