Putting up my new Sirio 2016 antenna
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Hi all
Video on building / putting up the Sirio 2016. I will do a follow up video as well regarding its SWR capabilities and show it in use as couldn't find anything on here regarding that.
Enjoy and have a very Happy Christmas!
73's catch you on the 'flip flop'!
Just went and bought one of these. Looks very well made. That base section certainly has some weight to it. Had an antron 99 years ago but it eventually broke in the high winds. So after being off the radio for about 20 years I got back into it last year and been using 5/8th wave silver rod. So time for an upgrade. 😀
I am very pleased with mine and made some good contacts so far, i will be posting and update video one year on as i have had it now that long. Happy dx on the new aerial you will enjoy it.
Fit the optional plastic radial ring to prevent the radials from bending or breaking.
@@george-ev1dqThis 2016 antenna doesn't have optional ring to support the radials. The sirio 827 has these.
Greetings.
I watched this video with interest. I'm in Italy and my Lemm M5 broke due to strong winds. I currently have an old Falkos Uranus 27 mounted. The Sirio 2016 seems to be more resistant than the other antennas.
After years of use what do you think?
Can it be used without tie rods?
Greetings
That Sirio 2016 will absolutely smoke the Antron! I just put one up and it was far superior to the Gainmaster HW & 5/8 version. And no RFI issues.
Hi Ron, yes agree its a very good aerial I am very pleased with mine, had alwayys wanted one so when the Antron went and I had the opportunity I got one. Seems to do well as makinglots of contacts with it. Good dx'ing with it!
I definetly hope so. I am ready to stop using a Antron 99 that has a lot of white noise. Imo. I hear the sirio 2016 is very widebanded.
I was going to purchase one of these antennas 2016 but was outta stock so i picked up the Sirio 827 im very pleased with its performance. Ive had the maco V 5/8's and the super penetrator 500. The Sirio 827 out performs both durability and performance both receive and transmit and tunning is better. I only wish it had a higher power capability. I have up to 5k to use.
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Hi bob, glad the 827 doing well. 5k!!! Of power i will look out for your glow across the pond!👍 take care and hopefully catch u when the skip is running, all the best, Mark.
Nearly 2023, how’s it doing? Rust? Issues? Anything? Considering one instead of an 827 due to its reduced radial sizes, mine would be similar in height as yours
I live 3 miles from the coast so it can get a bit windy at times
Simon
Hi Simon, yes antenna is all still good it was up in storm clara snd suffered no issues, there is s video showing that and what it looked like earlier in the year. I have no rust other than some surface stuff i saw but again its in the video, have a look and see what u think. Got into lebanon at weekend on it so still performing well👍
Today i removed my trusty Antron a99 and switched it with a Sirio Gain Master which is a Fibre Optic antenna that needs no tuning or radials. I think they call the Sirio Gain Master a vertical dipole antenna and because of no tuning it is installed and the antenna will already be on 1 on 1 for me ofcourse but i highly recommend the Sirio Gain Master! It is an awesome Fibre Optic Glass antenna!
Excellent video, my antron is a 25 year old one which has started to bend at the bottom section threading.
I have the Antron 38FT up on an alloy pole. I thought it may have been a quick switcheroo and in with the sirio but the weight of that bottom heavy coil has me wondering.
I think it's a three- point- guy job mate just to be safe. May as well replace the coax while I'm up there with some Messi and Paoloni to save me having to take it down again as its a big antenna and big job for me on my own.
Thanks for the video
Hi Rab, your very welcome glad you enjoyed it. Good shout on the coax as your right you only want to go up there once and organising some help to do an antenna always takes some planning, good luck let me know how you get on!
You've chose great antenna I have same antenna and 827 much better than A99 and Imax you will have low floor noise with aluminium am getting S/1 noise with 2016 and S/5 to 7 with fibreglass antenna it was nightmare.
Yes i also have very low noise withthtis antenna, I am extremely pleased with it I just need some skip now to give it a real good testing. Be interested to know for the future which aerial you think is the best, '827' or the '2016'? Happy christmas and all the best for the new year.
Well i admit this antenna is a bit better than the max2000,but mine dit not last very long.3 MONTHS and it broke only at 50 feet of the ground.Never again.Raised the max 2000 to 65 feet.This antenna very fragile,not good for High wind area
Any performance difference noted from an 827 and the 2016? I went from a tornado to an 827.
Hi i used the 50mm swaged poles from moonraker my 2016 came down in the winds the other week .The pole broke at the joint of the swaged pole i was a bit disappointed in them
I used the heavy duty ones as they were a bit thicker and fingers crossed no issues as yet, Got mine from Knights.
Good info for new stations setting up a base station antenna.
56CT004
Many thanks! Can see you are a fellow CT member my call sign is 26CT2036, so if you hear me give me a call and I will listen out for you onthe bands. No DX over here today I have periodically been checking the radio, it is very quiet. Hopefully I catch you on the bands soon! Happy Christmas!
Hi mate good video , just got hold of a 2016, I have an antron 99 (20yr old unbent one) which has seen better days. These newer Antron sellers have a cheek... Yeah its made like that so just accept it lol..
I have a 20Ft mast mounted 18FT High on a T and K spaced 3 1/2FT apart. The brackets are drilled in with expanding Rawl you have only with 6 inch long ones.
My alloy mast walk thickness is a bit thin for a 20FT Mast. I'm worried about the weight of the sirio 2016 coiled section on top of this big bendy mast.
Do you reckon guy lines would soive my problem?
Guys would help but then you have the problem of running them as if your mast is suspected as being weak you would ideally need them 1/2 way to 3/4's of the way up the mast. If the 20 ft mast is the concern then better to get some stronger poles, not sure fo the wall thickness of what you got but if you measure it with a vernier and find out what it is you can compare it with the spec of the standard and heavy duty "swaged" poles shown on knights website. You may find it is actually the same thickness as the standard ones so it may be ok. You could also drop it down another couple of fett and mount an additional K bracket in order to really strengthen it. Hope this gives you some ideas but firstly check the wall thickness against the poles sold at knights and see where you sit. Google knights cb radio shop if you don't know them. Let em know how you go and any more questions just message. I put three mountings on mine (2 x K, 1 x T) and mines a lot lower but it doesn't move at all in the wind.
Those poles are much better quality than anything I have here - really thick wall. Will take a look at Knights when I need more. Edit: You could have put the poles the other way up - no need to cut them. That's how I do it, as I can leave the end swaged bit at the bottom under the wall brackets.
Yes now you mention it i could have hehehe !! I have black weather caps that after i cut them i push in to finish it off
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Obrigado pelo comentário, muito agradecido e sim muito satisfeito com o contato com o brasil.
At the moment i have a Sirio ganimaster but soon im getting the Sirio 2016. How did you find the 2016 is it better than the A99 have you had any good DX's . 26CT3891
Hi Michael, yes the 2016 is working well, if you have a look through my videos the dx i have recorded to date is all carried out with the 2016. It has a better bandwidth than the antron 99 that I had and so far I am really pleased with it, it hardly moves in the wind which is great.
I believe the 2016 is now obsolete ? I went for the newer 827. good luck.
@@scousepie2 i can pick one up from Vine Antennas uk they have them in stock
Hello it's been nearly a year since you put this up, is it at the same height? any reaction from the neighbors yet ? Would be good to see a review and update i have one also seems ok.
Ok no probs, am off over christmas so see what i can do! Have a cool yule!! 73’s
@@britishcbradio1055 stay safe thanks for the reply
Nice mate how many sections of pole did u slot together
Just had a look and its on three sections of pole at present.
@@britishcbradio1055 OK mate I'm in the process of putting my imax 200 up can u remember how long each section is
@@trx250rpuma4 there 5ft swaged heavy duty poles, i got them from knights cb radio shop he does mail order. They are 1.5 inch (38mm) outside diameter.
Was this pre SWR'd out the box?
Hi, No it wasn't, I had to adjust the top section with the top hat on and tune it in, I set it to 330mm from memory in the end and its good across several bands.
That pole it was in the box(entire sirio 2016 order)? Or is a part of different order?
Happy Christmas! Unfortunately the sirio 2016 doesn't come with the poles, I ordered everything from Knights CB Radio shop so they sent it all in the one box. The poles were 1 1/2inch diameter and when ordering the Sirio you have to specify if you want the "U" clamps on the aerial itself for up to a 1.5" pole or a 2 " pole, I got the up to 2" pole brackets. Hope that helps, if you have any m,ore questions happy to answer them.
@@britishcbradio1055 ,thanks for your quick response. I'll build my rig and your video it's helpful. Which kind of power supply you use? 13.8 and more than 15A? And a Happy Christmas too! 73
@@prefitp7468 I only use a 5-7amp to power just my cb radio as although my homebase cb radio is supposed to have an internal mains transformer, it was missing when I got it so I have to run it off a 13.8V supply. For my burners I buy mains powered ones that plug straight in the wall socket so I don't have to have a big amp power supply, as all mine runs is my Cb Radio. If you have a mobile linear and are looking to run that in your house then when you see a set of liners look up what that manufacturer or another manufacturer of a similar watt linear amp specifies in their literature, then you will know what amp power supply to purchase depending on the amplifier you are getting. Hope this helps.
I purchased the Sirio 2016 antennas, after install I was about to connect my lead to the radio, checked the swr and for a short as I'd built the lead up myself. It's showed a short from center pin to outer on the plug so preceded to check plugs and lead and turned out this was ok. Tried the female plug at base of antenna and it gives a short. Just had a chat with company I purchased it from and they state it is supposed to have a ahort? I always thought a short was bad for a radio which could blow the finals ??
Snap!!! Did exactly the same thing and still have the short, the company is correct nothing to worry about, you only have the short when the coax connected to the base of the aerial, its to do with the impedance of the aerial. So dont panic i did as well! If you have a short when the cable is not connected to anything thats a problem though.
@@britishcbradio1055 Thanks for getting back ... I tried a search on the short indicted for the antenna when I first discovered it but no results came back and then thought the worst ..I.e. a possible fault.? Its good to get an independent opinion. 73s
@@seancfix7703 exactly the same theres no information, it was knights cb radio shop who put me right 👍
How did you ground the antenna?
Hi, The poles its mounted on are the ground, hope that helps, cheers, mark.
It would be nice if if some of the authors would answer the questions!
Hi Jim, what questions would you like answering, more than happy to help if i can?
Im looking for the same areal 2016, I was informed today that its no longer in production ?. where did you buy yours from.. thanks in advanced.
Hi Daveyboy, I got mine from Knights CB radio shop, they do a good mailorder service. Just checked there website for you and it says "sold out", suggest you email them and they should be able to say when they have more coming in, they are very helpful i have used them for years.
@@britishcbradio1055 Thanks for getting back to me, I have ordered the Sirio 827 from them, I bought my SS6900N From Knights.. found them to be very good with a speedy delivery service.
@@scousepie2 Good stuff, the sirio 827 has a good write up as well sure you be leased with it. I also have a 6900n it is my mobile radio, it took a bit of getting used to withthe clarifier not having a separate fine / coarse but I really like it now.
dear sir next time use chemical anchor ( it wil glue the brick ) best regards
Ok cheers i will have a look what chemical anchor is as not familiar with that. The aerial has just gone through a storm with high winds and survived no probs, will be posting an update soon. Cheers for the info , happy dx’in!
Koliko su duzine radijali kod sirije 2016. Pozz
oprostite nisam siguran koje mi pitanje postavljate boban.
Hi mate what size drill bit did you use on those plugs.
Hi Chris I got the plugs and raw bolts on amazon as I could find bolts everywhere but not 80mm raw plugs. They are M8 - 80mm bolts with wall plugs, i used a 10mm brill bit for the plugs.If you search "Electrosmart pack of 10 M8 x 80mm steeel bolts kit" on amazon you should find them, they were £3.99.
@@britishcbradio1055 thanks mate managed to find some on amazon aswell. A guide I saw said use 9mm drill bit. But thought I'd ask because don't want to split brick if the holes are too small.
@@chriswilby7679 Hi Chris Start with a 9 and see how you go if thats what they recommend, you can always then go 10mm if they are too tight. Good luck let me know how you go when you fit them, all the best.
Thanks mate they arrived today and does say 80 x 10 .think the guide I looked at was probably for a smoother thread or something .just got to wait for other bit's to arrived now.
@@chriswilby7679 good stuff! hope all goes well.
What did the neighbours say?
They haven't said anything its all all good so far and the aerial is performing very well.
Hmmm, before many years, this antenna was great piece of HW. Now i see, they change the big cooil for autotransformer - cheapest solution ever. Well i do not hate any antennas, but the old 2016, real 5/8 was on 4.th place in antenna compare in my country, in real tests. First was A-99, then old Black Pirate, then GainMaster, then 2016. But this cheap version, wich is shorter than original 2016, cant be as good like the old original. Bad news, for todays CB guys. For this price A-99 or IMAX-2000 is clear solution.
Hi Johny, thanks for your hmmm comment, but i must respond on a couple of points here. Any antenna anyone buys will perform different to another as its not just down to the aerial you buy from an antenna pole, buyers have to consider mounting location, exposure to wind, neighbours and how high they are ASL and how high they mount it. In addition its also down to personal feel and choice. Now i previously owned an Antron 99 and can say i get out better on my 2016 as Spain was a no no for me before i got this aerial. Not sure on the autotransformer / length comment so no idea if it has changed but the big coil has always been present on the 2016 for as far back as i can remember. If you look round the net u see gainmasters snapping in high winds so all aerials can suffere issues, go to buy a new antron 99 and they will say it may come bent as that is how they are being made / sold. Went on your channel to see if you had done a video on this aerial or the others mentioned but no videos at all on your channel, so good opportunity to put one together and post one up. As you can see in my video i only had one part on the house i could put an aerial up on so theres another factor i had to consider.
@@britishcbradio1055 Sorry for my bad ENG. Never learn this lang. in school. Big coil = pass thru coil, not autotransformer, like your antena - autotransformer is coil which was use on cheapest antennas before many years. I was dont think, i will see this type of coils any more. Well Sirio is showing me, that nothing is impossible. Original 2016 use pass thru coil, with my ENG skills im not able to explain you, why it is much much better. But belive me, it is and the diference is huge. This new 2016 use so called autotransformer - coil, which have somewhere in cca midle conected "turnoff" where is central wire from coax conected. This solution was use first time on cheapest 1/2 and 5/8 in 90s. It have bigest losses ever. Maybe even ground plane can perform better than this. This kind of coils have one advantage - they can tune almost any radiator lenght... but, there is a problem. Radiator lenght is a solid number, which is bad idea to change. If you change it, you do deform the radiating diagram. So, with autotransformer, is easy to build antenna for Sirio, it easier to tune for user, but the gain in best direction is lost, deformed and is smaller. It is just worst idea like to build 5/8 antenna.
Mark all your antenna segments are bent.. oh wait you was using a fisheye lens 😂😂🤣
Ah you spotted it!!! 😂😂🤣
A £35 silver rod would give that a run for its money
Depends on many factors there Ian, height is might! I used to have a GPA27 and an Antron and so far the Sirio 2016 has out performed both, its the big loading coil that really makes the antenna. Very pleased with this and it works very well with SSB, but it all depends on locations, budget and what you are used to I suppose.
@@britishcbradio1055 I guess. I live in a tower block 18 floors. I was gonna get a antron or whatever. A £100 + antenna. When I told the guy at knights I live in a tower block and plan to put it on the roof he said not to bother with them fancy antennas just put a silver rod up. He was right it works brilliantly. He said no point paying all that money for a extra s point. Everyone can hear me and I can hear everyone. I live in London (big place) can get everywhere on under 10 watts. Height really is might. 1.1 swr. At my mum's I use a sirio sd 27 halfwave dipole. Brilliant antenna. Sidebands I get all over Europe easy. Back in the day I had a sigma 4 7/8 wave up🌚👍. Radio wise I use a mint cobra 148 gtl DX with a astatic teardrop 575 m6 mic with a galaxy frequently counter. I also use an alinco DX 10. Got a little KP 203p which I rarely use
@@zukispur5493 Nice!!! hopefully catch you on the activation, 73's!
@@britishcbradio1055 yes my bruva
Nah, the silver rod won't. Been there, done that.
I put this antenna at 55feet and the antenna broke after 3 months.Piece of shit,that is what it is.I got this as an upgrade over the antron 99,but this antenna is very fragile.Got a new max 2000 and raised it at 70 feet high.Been 2 years now and survived everything,no problem.Serio never again
Hi Michael, not sure you can blame the antenna if assembled correctly and put right up it shouild be fine, mine is still going strong and never had this hapeen toone of mine unless you had a faulty one from the factory. Did you not contact Sirio about the fault?
If it got damaged in high winds then there is a specific wind rating for an antenna and in the UK if we have exceptionally strong winds a lot of us will take them down completley or drop them down if the wind is likely to exceed the antennas specified rating. Shame it happened but even a fibreglass antenna has its limit so take care, but hey you got another aerial and back on the air so thats the main thing.
@@britishcbradio1055 Well i am in Canada and weather here is very harsh.We have thunder storms in the summer with winds over 100 km easy,and in winter its even worst.had a mako 3 radial beem that lasted 10 days at only 40 feet high.I am in a valley and nothing holds up over here.Shakespeare Big stick and antron 99 are about the only antenna that survives over here,even my max 2000 in big trouble sometimes
@@michelst-jacques9555 Maybe a winch down tower may be the way to go if you can fix one up, that way you can then drop the aerial down if you have any strong winds coming and save your aerials.
2016 is s good antenna,sirio blizzard 2700(827)is better
Hi Gustavo, never owned a sirio 827 so can't comment if they are any good or not compared with the 2016. Doing alright onthe 2016 so am very happy with it. Good dxing!
@@jamesferrans1233 Soundslaike you had a good deal there james getting the pole and ring as well. Not heard of this anteena before and just lookedit up, yes a 5/8th wave is always good. How you getting out on this and with the skip running you having much luck dx wise.
massive dummy load then..
Sorry Brian, not with you?