The Livestream That Changed Everything | The Tragic Case of Joyce Echaquan
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- In September 2020, 37 year old Joyce Echaquan was rushed to the hospital and passed away after dealing with debilitating symptoms in Manawan, Quebec. Her unfortunate passing would've seemed like an expected outcome considering the symptoms she was dealing with. However, what her care team didn't realize was that she was recording every single thing they said to her. And it was after this recording went live, when this case of medical negligence sparked not only national but global outrage.
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• Dying Indigenous woman...
• Quebec coroner conclud...
• Joyce Echaquan's famil...
• Nurse who insulted Joy...
• Racism played role in ...
• Indigenous leader crit...
• Joyce Echaquan vigil: ...
• After coroner's report...
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Introduction
04:40 - Joyce Echaquan rushed to hospital
08:58 - Narcotic withdrawal assumption
10:50 - Placed Joyce in restraints
13:44 - Prescribed Haldol
14:35 - Livestream description
20:06 - Daughter records second video
24:34 - CPN requests help
26:06 - Family noticed bruises
27:59 - Breakdown of what happened
41:45 - Racial bias
42:23 - Narcotic dependent assumption
44:29 - Use of restraints
45:36 - Indigenous liaison officer
49:37 - Lack of monitoring
51:48 - Morphine worry
52:24 - Resident doctor
54:11 - Indigenous history
56:35 - Francois Legault on systemic racism
57:22 - Complaints at Joliette hospital
57:57 - Health disparities
58:45 Aftermath
59:37 - Bullying in school
59:59 - Orderly explanation
01:01:55 - Overworked staff
01:02:05 - CPNs not supervised
01:05:18 - Coroner's conclusion
01:07:07 - Hospital changes
01:09:08 - Joyce's Principle
01:12:12 - Lawsuit
01:13:33 - Orderly should be reinstated
01:16:00 - Closing remarks
Disclaimer: I’m not a medical professional and nothing in this video is meant to be taken as medical advice. If you’re experiencing any health issues, speak with your physician.
#truecrime #medicalmalpractice #medicalnegligence 
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As a québecois I would say an accurate translation of the coroner report would be:
« Ni cta ni akohikon : it hurts me
Carol pe ntamici : Carol, come see me
Ni taci sa micta mackikikatakoiin : They are overdosing me on drugs
Wipatc tca : Make it quick[…]
3 min 59 s : We'll leave her on the ground for bit, eh.
4 min 21 s : We'll take care of you. I think you're having a hard time taking care of yourself right now. So we'll do it for you, OK?
Dumbass ("épaisse" means stupid not thick)
This here, it's better off dead […]
5 min 25 s : Patient starts moaning loudly
Are you done messing around! Are you done...Fucking hell.
Joyce : If you were in my shoes right now.
Hey you're stupid as hell
Joyce : I don't like being told i'm faking this.
Well you made some bad choices, honey
What would you children think, seeing you like that?
Joyce : That's why I came here yesterday.
Way better at fooling around than anything.. eh
Especially since it's us who pay for that…
6 min 9 s : Joyce moans loudly.
Her damn phone. »
This is truely heartbreaking..
Thank you for the translation! So many sources had different translations so there was a general idea of what was said but it was difficult figuring out exactly what it was. It really is horrible that they were saying these things to her.
"Thick" is also used in British slang to mean stupid, but it could be confusing for others who don't know. And yeah, the curse words used are pretty bad but downplayed in the translation (they're not the worst, but definitely not something you say at someone in a professional setting)
Thank You for your translation,....
My heart cries for those affected.
@@ragdollrose2687 It's also Canadian slang🫂 This is a super sad thing that happened, & its not surprising whatsoever. I'm not even Indigenous & I've had some REALLY crappy physicians & nurses. I have no problem believing that systemic bigotry makes it even worse for Indigenous, Black, & Brown people.
I also have a shite heart & it was seen as me "faking" from age 11 til I was defibrillated at 40yo.
My mum doesn't believe ANYTHING (she's a compulsive liar who apparently thinks everyone else is too), & has convinced my children & entire family I'm lying (despite being hospitalized & on many heart meds). As a result I've been shunned by everyone I love (except my son who occasionally believes me & then talks to grama & then re‐shuns me).
Anyway, sorry for prattling, mate - this made me so sad, & sadness makes me chatty.
Be well ‐ xo
@lilipiotte6427 Merçi Beaucoup, & bonne nuit❤🫂
7 babies without a mom because of these racist assholes, a community with a missing piece, it’s just infuriating. Thank you for keeping her story alive
Why is a poor sick person having any more than 2 or 3 kids though ?
@@serenesrn3827😢 your antinatalism is _your antinatalism._ She had more than enough support structures for her and her race is poor as a direct consequence of colonial racists that stole her land.
The earth has 8 billion people and can only support 10 billion people . 2 or 3 is enough children per person .I believe in responsible natalism not antinatalism .Poor people having children and throwing them in poverty is cruel regardless of the race .Foster care system in US is full of children of druggies and poor people .@@availanila
@serenesrn3827 It's almost like you made these comments without any clues. Being dropped on your head is no excuse. Do better.
Chickering you were probably dropped on your head . A poor person should not be having 7 children as those children face poverty .I am the same age as this woman and a mother of 2 .I know what am talking about .@@clairechickering-williams3646
my biggest issue with the whole story is the fact that like...okay...let's say theoretically she was the addict they claimed....they still didn't treat her properly in that sense. why was that even a defense they felt was justified? "we thought she was addict which is why we treated her like this" (proceeds to perform malpractice even on that assumption)
right? it's pretty disgusting and shows that neglect might not just be common for addicts in healthcare spaces, but practically the expectation. (also, i am not saying she was, rest in peace joyce, but my mom is an addict so i know she's experienced a lot of nasty attitudes just for recovering from withdrawal, and that's in the US so this is across NA)
Which is insane, because drug addiction is still a medical issue. A lot of societies treat it as a moral issue, but ultimately once you get addicted you are unable to quit without physical illness (and a lot of the times the cause comes from mental illness).
Even if it's an illness caused by their own poor choices, it doesn't mean that they don't still need health care. That's like saying "this person got diabetes from their bad diet, and as a result we are going to put less effort into their healthcare".
@@pennyforyourthotsUnfortunately, the diabetes thing happens too...
Thats also a big problem in the us, if they think you are on drugs they treat you like shit
Good point !
Thank you for raising awareness for this. Canada “loves” natives UNTIL we walk into a hospital. My cousin went to the hospital one morning. The day before she had went to a chiropractor, and woke up paralyzed from the neck down. She was brought in, and they saw her track marks, and repeatedly told her for the next 27 hours that she would NOT be receiving any pain meds. Odd thing to say to someone with ZERO feeling. She was accused of faking, and was forced to wait 27 hours to see a doctor. She had a blood clot in her spin. She died. She had FIVE kids, and one grandchild. Imagine being insulted repeatedly as you lay dying. RIP cousin, we miss you ❤️
An elderly family member was denied hip surgery for over 6 months.
My grandfather was told to leave despite his hand being so red and inflamed that it looked more like a balloon than a hand.
My sisters faced discrimination and mistreatment during pregnancies.
But when I tell a therapist about my concerns, I'm told to "ignore it if it makes you angry" and that news stories are "propaganda".
To be very honest, Canada doesn’t loves natives in any condition. Europeans will not size to disappoint with their superiority complex.
I'm so sorry for your loss. May she rest in peace and may her children and grandchild carry her memory in their hearts forever. I'm so angry to see how often this happens to our people. Addiction is a disease and for many natives, it results from trauma. We deserve to see our loved ones cared for with respect and compassion, and the understanding of the very recent traumas our communities have experienced.
I'm so sorry. I cannot get my head around this cruelty it's just evil. Medical care shouldn't be conditional just the same standard for everyone, I can't imagine getting into healthcare services but not wanting to help people?? xxx
So very sorry my goodness
I'm a coast salish person who moved to Québec. Quebecois racism is on a whole different level. They will say the worst, most racist thing you've ever heard, and then insist they're not racist because they're colourblind and it's impossible for them to be privileged because anglo canadians discriminate against them.
I'm honestly terrified to go to the hospital. I have had family doctors assume I'm an alcoholic and/or dependent on narcotics. I've been denied pain meds by my pharmacist after dental surgery because apparently I'm genetically predisposed to addiction.
I'd love for you to speak more on Indigenous issues - here in canada there are a lot. Birth alerts, forced sterilization, deliberate starvation of children for medical studies, etc.
I'm from the other side of the arbitrary line that makes Alaska, so I've heard about how bad Canada is, and I'm sorry to hear that Quebec sucks so bad and that you're stuck there.
In all seriousness: do you have a white friend who owns a nice blazer? OIf you can get one of those to go with you to medical appointments, it helps. I used to do it for friends before I moved.
My family is First Nations from Quebec (Mi'kmaq). We have cousins on reservations and my father was sent a letter asking him to live on one. Instead, my father jumped the border into the US for a better life, despite knowing zero English. That is how bad it is in Canada.
He is a permanent resident now and refuses to go back. My sisters in Canada are feeling the pressure to leave as well. Every time I hear people in the US talk about how great Canada is in comparison, I tell them about how we're treated. They can't believe it.
Some of them, even so called "well traveled" people who exclaim how many tribes they like visiting, don't even know the First Nations exist. I bet Canada would like it if it were that way.
Edit: I'll also say, as a First Nations woman, my concerns have been downplayed by "inclusive" mental health providers multiple times. I'm stoic? I'm told to feel more. I confide in my feelings about how Canada is targeting my people? Ignore the news if it bothers you. I was even told "When I looked it up, it was a right-wing website talking about it, so it's probably fake."
There truly is nowhere to go anymore.
@@aliceiscalling They couldn't kill you all 300 years ago, so now they are bullying you out of existence.
Quebec will shriek bloody murder if you put English on a sign because "OUR CULTURE IS GOING TO DIE" while actively participating in the destruction of it's Native people and communities. Your culture, Quebec, is worthless because it exists solely by denying other's rights to their own.
Seems “racism” is the only thing Franco-Canadians truly learned from Anglo-Canadians. This comment is racist as well, merci beaucoup!😂😂😂
Ignoring all the other atrocities going on in this video, I think it's worth noting that in the drug cocktail they gave her there was acetomeniphen. Yknow, the same stuff Petal says that Joyce had an intolerance to at the beginning of the video. Everyone involved in this should have lost their licenses immediately.
I noticed that too. It seems as if it was ignored or treated as a nonissue.
Yes, i noticed that at the beginning of the video it was stated once that the intolerance was to acetaminophen, but later in the video, it was stated multiple times that the intolerance was to morphine. So it is not clear if there was an intolerance to both, or just one?
That was something that I wondered too so messed up.
Yeah as soon as I heard that, I was like "Wait, the thing she's allergic to??"
@@Bunparade The word "allergy" was not mentioned, though. Everything is a bit vague.
I swear, nurses can either be the kindest or the most vile people you will ever meet. No in between.
Seems that way 😅
It depends on why they got into nursing. Some do it because they truly want to care for people. These will be the kind nurses. Others because they like the salary or the training is relatively quick. Here in the US one can become an RN after 2 years & be making top dollar within a year of graduation.
@@TrixRN yup. That's exactly how we end up with bad nurses. I hate to say this, and it's only my experience, but it's been the younger ones that have been awful to me.
@@leahsanders798 I graduated from nursing school in ‘91. It was definitely the case back then. The nursing shortage was so severe that new grads were wined & dined by the area hospitals & given up to $10,000 bonuses to sign on. Quite a few of my fellow students talked about how they would negotiate their salary & other benes indicating this was the primary reason they got into nursing. They were expecting to move quickly into admin/executive roles so they didn’t have to take care of patients. Several went straight from school to Directors of Nursing for nursing homes. You don’t build a strong, compassionate nursing staff with these attitudes. 🤦♀️
@@TrixRN yes, that unfortunately explains a lot. Thank for being one of the one who understands.
44:00 imagine being accused of racism and your response is "that's not true, i just hate poor people!"
So many white “liberals” love to claim racism doesn’t exist and any race issues are just class issues.
Imagine being happy that someone else, who could have literally been you if the circumstances of your births had been reversed, is dead.
Imagine being glad that another human has died, a hospital patient who was screaming in pain. That is so unbelievably disturbing to me. God. How can people end up with so little empathy?
Please do a video about 19yo Grace Schara!! She was a healthy young woman with Down syndrome who was murdered by the hospital she was admitted by overdosing her with lorazepam, morphine, and other sedatives. Her story doesn’t get much attention bc of the stigma associated with Covid, but I have NEVER heard a case as tragic, infuriating, and preventable in my life!
It's easy to say there's no racism when you're not on the receiving end of it. This case is a terrible combination of heavily overworked, racially biased staff, bad communication of guidelines and lack of knowledge about available resources, that ended in the worst possible outcome - the horrible death of a patient. But what really shocked me about Joyces story is the seemingly absolute lack of remorse from most of the staff involved.
The CPN was the only staff member who cared... and she had zero authority and very little trained to deal with Joyce's medical needs. 😢
Lack of remorse because the mfrs are RACIST. Thank you GOD I don't live in Canada.
I certainly am not trying to diminish your claim of racism because I know you are correct from my observations in ER’s but I can assure you that white people are being treated this way in Canadian hospitals also. This is rampant.
@@SuperDesignChick Yes, 100%. In the U.S., they'll put "PIA" on the chart of "problem patients," which stands for "Pain in the Ass." I've been treated like poor Joyce was back in 2003. Praise God they didn't kill me. God bless her, and may she rest in peace.
So when I was abused by hospital staff, who were white, it was racism? But I'm white! I think the real problem are a-holes who shouldn't be working with people.
even if she WAS going through withdrawal, even if she WAS narcotic dependent,, addicts are still humans and addicts still deserve the same level of empathy and care :( this is just so so sad, such an awful tragedy
Yes!! They shouldn’t have had stigma against patients with dependence issues either!
😂
@Kyle15155 that's not funny...
Thank you for saying that. Addiction is a disease, and addicts are human beings deserving of the same care and concern as anyone else.
As a former opioid addict, I can tell you that it's absolutely terrifying to go to the hospital, especially with legit pain. We get treated like a nuisance and trash.
I’m a white woman, so I can only base my opinions on the experiences of other women that ive read about or heard. As a woman, we’re always treated as hysterical or dramatic when we try to get medical attention….but for women of color and indigenous women, god, it’s like they have to pick- “Do I stay home and HOPE I don’t die, or do I go to the hospital and get treated like sh*t by the staff who will most likely kill me or let me die?” They can’t win and that’s criminal. I’m sorry that you were failed, Joyce. You deserved so much better, beautiful soul.
I’m mixed and therefore mostly white passing and I thank God for that to be honest. I can’t imagine going to a hospital and potentially dying in pain because they don’t believe me
My mother was white and she was treated as less than human. My white maternal grandmother is also treated badly by medical professionals. I imagine that it would have been twice as bad if they were WOC, and as a WOC myself it makes me very nervous.
Its so nice to read this comment. I've already seen some one comment "im white and experienced medical abuse so medical racism must not be real". As if thats how it works at all...
I believe hysteria was a legit psychiatric disorder way back I history and was also known as a "womens problem".. I feel like I remember learning about that
Fear mongering like that is dangerous. Most indigenous and WOC will get the treatment they need in hospital, even if there are horror stories and prejudice. If you convince them not to seek help, you will do as much harm as the hcps in this story…
Just devastating. She filmed her last moments of consciousness. The pain she was in. And her brother down the hall, hearing everything. Incomprehensibly heartbreaking. I hope her kids are doing alright.
As a HCW I can tell you that a BP of 57/35 would have required a code blue call at my hospital. Absolutely horrific that she was instead left in her room with a CPN instead of a full code team being present.
my eyes bulged when i heard 57/35 i’m not a medical professional of any kind but i’ve never heard of someone’s BP going that low like ever, horrifying that her blood pressure was at levels like that and they put the fucking intern in charge of handling her
I work in ICU and almost spit my drink out wondering why she wasn't put on pressors and moved to critical care immediately
As an EMT student who has attended multiple codes in the hospital, even a end of life patient with cancer was treated as a full code when he had a BP of 50/30. Ridiculous that they didn't treat it as such. So sad and preventable
I would say full code on end of life patient is not common. That would result in more pain. Depends on the country I would say. Since I am Belgium we tend to put more on Quality of life. Such a tragic story
@@Kv-nb1gm in Australia, it's full code even an end of life patient, unless there is an advanced care directive (which include an NFR). I used to be a nurse who's worked mostly in geriatrics but as a student did a lot of work on palliative and oncology (placement and as an AIN)
Hi, I'm french canadian and just a note on the weird translations at around 17 min., thick is used in the sense of "dumbass" and the other words are swear words, so basically they called her a "fucking dumbass" which is extremely appalling but the racism towards indigenous women doesn't surprise me one bit, unfortunately.
Thank you for the translation. It was bad enough when I thought they were insulting her weight, but now I know it was even worse. How awful.
As a Cheyenne-Arapaho.....I will NEVER again complain about the health care we NOW receive in my part of the country (U.S.).
Although still far from perfect for other reasons (mostly bureaucratic ) our little "Indain clinics" & " Native Hospitals" in Oklahoma do try to treat it's patients with some kind of compassion and at least a little bit of respect...even if only on the surface. Now the governor hmmm,.....well, thats a whole other deal.. we get absolutely no respect there from him & his.
So true. My husband is Osage, and the racism he has seen is unreal. As for the governor, what a vindictive person. He claimed to be a member of various tribes when campaigning, but no tribe would claim him.
I am white but used to work at an Indian Hospital. I thought the care was first rate. I Kano I never treated patients any differently than I did at other clinics. I really enjoyed my time there. It was just the interior politics that made me go elsewhere. Some ex patients would come by selling their beaded earrings to make gas money for the trip home. I bought MANY; I thought better to,pay for quality work rather than give a handout. Yes, I do miss it, but I am stored now.
Discrimination in healthcare is a huge problem. Indigenous communities have a nauseatingly higher likelihood of not having their symptoms believed, receiving substandard care, experiencing abuse from medical professionals, and being under-medicated for pain (because of presumed "drug seeking"). I worked for a hospice company for ten years and I've seen it in action. When I and other employees tried to band together and advocate for company-wide education to stop the harm being done, we were told, "It already says in the handbook that we can't discriminate, so we don't need to do that." Racism in healthcare kills people daily, and it's too often swept under the rug. Thank you for doing this piece.
When a patient seems agitated, you need to make sure it's not caused by other organic issues before jumping to other conclusions, since it can be an early sign of shock. This case is horrible and teaches us healthcare providers that we've yet so many instances of racism and other forms of discrimination that we need to eliminate.
this is absolutely correct. I don't know how many "psychotic" elderly women I have been called to see who usually had one of 2 problems: 1) a UTI 2)Anemia. Once the patient had cyanide poisoning, but that was once in 30 years of performing hospital consults.
@@MadronaxyzI was just about to say the same. Unfortunately, my grandma was dismissed as a patient for being psychotic when she had a really severe UTI.
There are so many points where interventions could have been made that might have saved her life. You just want to reach through the screen and shake someone.
It's almost like they are in severe 10/10 pain which alters psychological wellbeing and behaviour wow shocker
It's not just racism, either. I am white & have been treated like absolute dogs*** & almost killed by medical 'professionals' more than once. They saw me as lesser because they assumed I was a drug addict (& before that even, because I had scars on my arms.) It seems like some of these nurses/doctors will treat ANYONE like s--- if they're "not normal" in some way or part of some group they few as low for whatever reason.
I can’t believe you only started posting a few months back, the quality in your videos makes it feel like you’ve been doing this for years! Amazing quality.
Agree, she is talented
Right???
I know!!! I was totally shocked when I went back to binge watch her stuff and there were only seven videos at the time!!!!!
I'm never gonna get tired of seeing people's shock from how good her content is despite starting off. Absolutely amazing stuff from her.
She does. Just remember some of the other videos are her own health journey.
The minute you are red flagged as an addict you can kiss care and compassion goodbye. Forget the fact that your addiction began with a Dr's prescription.
I read that without the 's and it still made sense.
I also suspect, if you're flagged with other things, like certain eating disorders. As soon as a friend got something removed from her records, it was like a switch was flipped, and she received better care. Not great, but better. And it's all so wrong.
I'm so sorry. It should never be this way.
So so smart of her to start a livestream. Otherwise, this tragedy would have never been known. Thank you for making this video to spread it even more.
IM SO GLAD YOU COVERED THIS OMG!!!! as an indigenous person it means so much to see our stories shared outside of our communities
it should be shared everywhere. Your people were here FIRST in Canada and the US where I was born. You are the true Native people and the disrespect shown to these wonderful people is DISGRACEFUL!! THere should be reparations for every single person. I am SO sorry for how every Native Canadian and Native American has been treated. A beautiful people , gentle souls who value animals, nature and their Faith. So much for us to learn from.
If she didn't stream her situation on social media, her life won't even brought up a conversation. The problem is so big and it is deeply rooted in this society.
Yep, which is why White people are ignored.
They don't complain.
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't think of livestreaming... Very smart for her to do it...
Yeah...I regret not recording my recent experience at an ER in Ottawa. I felt so unsafe...I was in pain after 2 weeks have my gallbladder removed...I had to stand for 13 hrs and kept begging for somewhere to lay down until a doctor could help...I eventually laid on the floor as I was exhausted and in pain...I was soaked in sweat...the nurse yelled at me and grabbed me and yanked me up and that hurt so much because of the pain and soreness I had from my incisions...I refuse to go to that hospital ever again. They gave me pain medicine and I said I didn't want it...the nurse pinched my arm and gave me the inhection anyways because she said well you can't lay down anywhere and that other patients need the rooms...I watched as nurses argued amongst each other and also scoffed at other in pain and rolled their eyes...I feel like they want to harm people not help...just scary.
They said Indigenous women pop out babies and they're stuck paying? They're thriving on Indigenous lands getting rich off of stolen Indigenous resources while the Indigenous are suffering poverty on forced reserves made by the Crown after they stole their lands and broke the treaties the Indigenous agreed to in fairness to share their lands for a price.
Exactly.
Honestly this video brought back a lot for me because when I was 20 (7 years ago) I suffered from heart failure, which caused sepsis in my lungs, and I ended up in the ICU for 3 weeks. I have autism and severe anxiety so even being away from home overnight was scary. The nurses spoke to me very similarly to the nurses in Joyce's livestream, calling me stupid, insulting my appearance and weight, laughing at my struggles with mental health as they read my medical history aloud, telling me my family weren't coming to see me and they would be better off without me, lying about my mum calling (she told them she was on the way but my younger sibling was sick) and saying she'd said she wasn't going to bother visiting me. They called me a liar for trying to tell a doctor about their behaviour and washed my mouth out with soap (one of those wet wipes that are pre-soaked in soap if you know which ones I mean?) and made multiple cruel comments about my autism. "it's a pity autistics only use 1% of their brains" "don't bother trying to talk to that one, she's a (ableist word)" They ripped my central line out of my neck so hard that I started bleeding profusely, they put 9 catheters in one after the other because my body was rejecting them (they were really rough and wouldn't take no for an answer despite me trying to explain I have trauma and didn't want someone inserting something there) until my catheter bag thing was filled with blood, said I'd made it bleed on purpose (???) and when I just begged them to be kind and apologised for anything I could have done to anger them (I know it makes me sound pathetic but I was on death's door and terrified, I just wanted some empathy) I was told it wasn't their job to be nice to me.
Luckily I met a really kind nurse after the first week who made sure to switch shifts with the cruel ones as often as possible, just so I didn't have to see them as much but even with my health issues I'm terrified to ever go back to a hospital.
That’s sooo sad im so sorry. My mom had some evil nurses too ugh I wish those ppl couldn’t become nurses
This is crazy! How can people like this be in medicine! They sound like true sociopaths and don’t deserve to interact with anyone who is helpless in any way. I wouldn’t even want one of these people as my bank teller!
I am so sorry 💔 you didn’t deserve any of that I hope you are taking care of yourself
I really hope you got some kind of justice or pressed charges against the hospital, seeing such cruelty in a line of work that REQUIRES understanding and empathy is becoming all too common. its sickening.
I liked your comment, not because I like any part of this, but because more people need to see this...
My gosh. What horrors. No wonder you're terrified! Sending virtual, empathetic hugs. I can't fathom that level of insensitivity and cruelty.
They had no reason to think she was on drugs other than racism. She's in incredible pain, she's going to be pretty fucking agitated
For real. No shit she was agitated, she was in so much pain.
F that...even if she WAS going through withdrawls..they should be doing their best to keep her comfortable and in her best vitals. The fact that they were pumping her with painkillers and anti psych meds instead of addressing the actual problems and strapping her down. Terribly tragic, depressing and I am so sorry for her, her family and everyone else who has been through this insanity.
Naive people with no sense of reality believe the hollywood koolaid views like how doctors and nurses are some sort of paragons of virtue and patience.
Have a reality check. They are just human.
Anyone who works in healthcare will tell you that you will be treated like this regardless of color if the staff starts to view you as an intentionally difficult patient, especially when you are an addict. You will get little sympathy.
This approach is especially prevalent in free healthcare countries where the government always makes sure to try and spare as much money as they can, thus resulting in staffing problems, overworking and much more.
What SHOULD be is completely different from what IS.
Honestly. A lot of people forget that addicts are people too and deserving of empathy and support. It’s just callous.
Medical professionals shouldn't treat patients as drug addicts if they're not, but also medical professionals need to treat drug addicts a whole lot better than they actually do. Being an addict shouldn't be punishable with being treated like shit.
@@estherstreet4582 Again, theory and practice are two different things.
Welcome to reality. If you act up and cant communicate properly, this is what happens.
It shouldnt. But it does.
Learn from other people's mistakes.
@@nonusbusinissus5632 "Act up"??? You do realize that people can be so sick they can't control their minds and bodies, right? Like it's not a choice.
And even people who do act out do not deserve medical neglect. That's just disgusting victim blaming.
My mom’s last trip to our local hospital ended up being one of the worst stays there. She died 8 days later, being that she wasn’t feeling well again. I was afraid to take her back to the hospital. I don’t understand why people go into the medical field if they have no intention of actually taking care of their patients.
I am so sorry 💔 I wonder that too about medical “professionals”
I wonder the same thing. I don't understand, and it makes me angry/sad/feel so awful for all those who suffer so needlessly. What is wrong with people?
I'm Canadian, and I know this is a huge problem. It's sad because I've lived on reserves across Canada, and im Caucasian. There is a lot on problems on reserves with dependency but I think more people need to start understanding the trauma these people have gone through and that anyone would be prone addiction if they went through all they have. You can't just assume that about someone who is presenting at the emergency room with symptoms like hers
I remember this being in the news. Seeing the footage of Joyce asking for help in the bed and how they treated her is heartbreaking.
Me too
I believe this. I was treated as a drug seeker myself in the hospital even though I directly told several staff members “narcotics make me extremely sick, DO NOT give me them”
Yes. It's difficult to see how they are assuming Joyce is an addict when she doesnt want to be overmedicated.
Well, in their twisted minds what you were saying was translated as "patient is afraid of relapse", you know?
Sadly, medical gaslighting is ESPECIALLY common among women, especially when it involves pain conditions, and it’s far, far worse for any non-white woman. Once again, a very good video from you. Thank you for sharing her story and helping to give her legacy a voice.
If you haven’t already, I would recommend looking in Maya Kowalski vs John hopkin’s All Children’s Hospital trial out of FL. Maya was 10 years old. She was diagnosed by multiple specialists in their field with CRPS, which is commonly referred to as the “Self-Unaliving Disease” because of the amount of chronic, life long pain it creates. The pain is FAR more than most other conditions. Anyway, she was in outpatient treatment, but she had a bit of a relapse and her treating specialist sent her to the hospital for in hospital doses. The Drs for some reason decided it wasn’t real-that she was faking (conversion disorder) or her mother had munchausen by proxy and was making her sister. Her mother was an immigrant from communist Poland and was trained as an infusion nurse. A “Child Abuse” boarded pediatrician that worked for the county’s privatized CPS got on board through her connections at the hospital (she was on committees and was apparently a mentor, so Maya’s Dr got her involved.) the CA doctor claimed after a 10 minute interview that this was medical abuse. The mother’s rights were taken away. She was complying while her daughter was being treated horrifically at the hospital for almost 90 days. They even limited her preist, thruew out her religious item including communion mean for her, they restricted her access to her schoolwork/teacher, her friends, her family…. Oh and they shoved her in a room with cameras and told her “they don’t work” and recorded her. They wanted to catch her in the act of walking-but she was in so much pain she couldn’t. she literally screamed and cried for helped and would end up spoiling herself. They recorded her for 48 hours to catch her “faking”. The whole time they were telling her to stop acting up, dismissing her pain, said it was all in her head. And guess what, she got only THREE hours of therapy during the entire 3 month stay (she was seeing a therapist weekly outside of the hospital. There’s a lot more, but that covers most of the highlights.
At the final family court hearing during her hospital stay, the mom asked to hug her daughter. She was barely even allowed to talk to her on the phone at that point and all those calls were strictly monitored. The judge declined. The mother unalived herself. The next court date wasn’t scheduled for another month. But you know what happened? They released Maya not even a week later. Oh and they sent disgusting text messages among themselves saying stuff like “called it” and “she’s going to do so much better now.”
The case wrapped up about a week or so ago. The hospital lost. It’s going to appeals, but the judgment was for around $260 million. The judge split up each count and had the jury place a dollar amount on each count of the claim so it’s basically proofed against being fully appealed and the chances of going through trial again is incredibly, incredibly low.
Sickening.
I am diagnosed with conversion disorder, and I'm confused a bit. From my experience, it's changes to the body that can be seen (lack of sensation in the limbs, BP and bpm through the roof or the floor, seizures, temporary impaired vision/deafness/inability to speak, swelling etc.). It's triggered by big stressors and way more painful once pairs with fibromyalgia. I've gotten it under control, but it's a ridiculous disorder. It's the troll of all trolls. A bit of anxiety can go on to make your body go ooooff, and rationale isn't always helpful.
For the longest time, 10 years, I was just thinking oh I just want attention, I guess. I was convincing my therapist, neurologist, GP, and psychiatrist that it was all a case of Munchausen (Fictitious disorder now).
Is it how it's perceived? I've been questioning my sanity, character, and life, to be honest - on one hand, it's TOO real, yet it's not entirely idiopathic because it's psychosomatic. I am really curious about where conversion dissociative disorder is in relation to fictitious disorder? Is it "faking it" so to speak?
Thank you for your time, I know it's a lot of blabbering.
This case, this woman, these sociopath "health workers"... ugh. I am lucky to stay away from hospitals and brush things off because TRUST ISSUES.
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@@yamcaplan6125 I have a lot I can say to you, and I will say it later after work. I just want to say i am very sorry for what you are going through. While I will explain it in more detail later, know that your pain is REAL. It just may be missing an “organic” cause, like an injury or other physical disease or defect. What you FEEL is real. Your pain is valid. You have every right to want gone.
You are NOT going crazy, but navigating the medical world once you have a mental health condition on your chart is VERY difficult and can certainly make you feel like you are losing your mind. Medical gaslighting will do that to you. I , for instance, had a complaint of heart palpitations, dizziness, lightheadedness, foggy head. My PCP thought it was nothing. I pushed, he declined again. I had another episode and went to a hospital. I had a cardiologist TELL ME “it’s probably just your anxiety.” I KNOW what my anxiety feels like and this is NOT IT. Eventually, my referral cardiologist (while agreeing it is most likely my anxiety) did listen enough and decided to run tests (it felt like to prove me wrong.) I WASNT wrong. I have POTS, orthostatic hypotension, and orthostatic intolerance. THAT is why i feeling that way, and the tests bore that out.
I know it’s hard, but you can be your best advocate. But there are services available to help you. I would do some research to see if there are any programs or referrals for medical advocates in your area. These are usually social work trained professionals, or trained medical professionals, that are experienced with navigating the medical system with complex or chronic conditions. I would see if theres anything in your area.
@@yamcaplan6125 I think a Fictitious disorder and Conversion Disorder are different things, however people with CD can be treated as though they are faking their symproms by someone who is unaware. I think the biggest factor used to diagnose CD or Functional Neurological Disorder is whether the person has suffered trauma. Thankfully a lot more research has been done on Conversion Disorder so much so that it is now referred to as Functional Neurological Disorder. I am sorry you are going through this😔. I went through it in my 20s
@yamcaplan6125 Conversion disorder seems more "unconscious" to me than fictitious disorder. Does that make sense?
This is my first time hearing about this… and this is triggering. I was admitted into the hospital for terrible stomach pains while 10 weeks pregnant. The pain felt like a contraction … the strength of a 1-2min apart contraction without let down and continued for 72 hours… The OB on call called me a drama queen, the floor nurse told me that I needed to calm down because I disturbing the entire floor. They told me my pain were round ligament pains… nothing more nothing less. I asked for a general surgeon to see me and demanded a lap. There lied the problem when they opened me up, a gangrenous ovary. I had become septic. Surprisingly my baby survived the chaos, and so did I. Smh.
Glad you and your baby are OK. What a horrid experience. A pregnant woman has a lot going on anyway. Having additional health issues, being in severe pain and perhaps not having the energy to FIGHT medical staff for care would’ve been terrifying. I’m so sorry.
This is systemic. I was nearly killed twice because doctors decided my being in pain was actually just withdrawl and that I was an addict. They had no proof and whats worse they had tons of proof I wasn't. In both cases, I was saved by an insistent family member who in one case had to take me to a different hospital. I've developed a phobia of E.R's because of this kind of thing. I defy anyone to not be "agitated" when those who should be helping ignore your severe pain.
Life of an "addict" it's super fucking unfair, people really look down on you once you've admitted to taking drugs, it's just sad and frustrating, closest thing to compare it to would be some kind of blatant racism, it's like you are treated less of a human, and now you are in the category " drug addict " lesser human being apparently"
I completely agree with you. When my son was born my experience was horrible. I stopped breathing during an urgent c-section. Drs missed my kidney having issues. I gained 50+ lbs. later had pulmonary edema and developed mitral valve prolapse. A week later rushed to a different hospital. Years later had leukemia. The chemo caused liver failure. Most of the nurses were so rude. (They were rude even when I was told I was dying). After 3 weeks I demanded to check out of ICU. Through my belief in God Every medical problem resolved itself. Even now a few months ago I fell and had a huge knot where injured. My pain level was completely ignored. My health is so-so, I try to exercise and eat well to Avoid the hospital.
I'm sorry to hear others have experienced medical abuse, but at the same time, I am relieved that it's not just me or even a small group if people. I had a nurse look into my eyes and laugh when I expressed the excruciating pain I was in immediately after major stomach surgery. I was never given pain medication. I was literally being tortured.
It happens out of the hospital too. I was having a lot of pain & tried to tell my dr. He told me it was just aches & pains from "getting older." I was 39 when this started, hardly old! It took yrs to get the correct diagnosis, fibromyalgia that I had to research online & self-diagnose. Finally received the corroborating diagnosis bc I paid out of pocket to see a rheumatologist. And I'm a white woman!
@jjrat5pack I'm SO sorry this happened to you, too. I've come to realize I have to self diagnose before I even call to get an appointment. Otherwise, it just ends up a waste of everyone's time, and I'm left suffering. ESPECIALLY if the main issue is pain. I, too, have fibromyalgia. It is SO hard to deal with such a debilitating, invisible condition. I wish you well and hope your future is healthy and pain controlled.
Really amazing coverage -- we talked about Joyce at length in all of my Indigenous Studies classes in Calgary, Alberta and how her story is a clear example of how people can be killed by racism. We also discussed Brian Sinclair, who was an Indigenous man who died in 2008 in a Winnipeg ER waiting room because he was racially profiled by medical staff as being homeless despite him having a requisition form to have his catheter changed. He was left waiting for 34 hours in the waiting area and was only discovered to be deceased after significant rigour mortis had occurred. I would definitely say that both Joyce Echaquan and Brian Sinclair were killed by racism
That is so tragic smh.
That is so terrifyingly sad. It just breaks my heart
I'm sorry, but I had a very similar experience as Joyce, and i'm white. I HATE how everyone tries to bring race into it. We are all people not races.
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@@jensanchez3646so have I but the difference is, we may suffer on an individual basis, but as a group, whites are treated far more favourably in doctors offices and in hospitals than BIPOC. I only have to point to the "science" that said black women didn't feel pain so didn't need pain medication during childbirth the way white women do. or how black men were said to have thicker muscles and therefore needed more forceful restraints, killing black men in both hospitals and on the street. or how indigenous people are overwhelmingly profiled as homeless drug addicts because of the stereotypes whites put on them. you and I are likely to be believed and treated far better at hospitals than BIPOC. saying otherwise is dishonest, refusing the facts, and frankly ridiculous. we do not suffer because of our skin colour. the treatment of BIPOC in medical settings is egregious and victims deserve to have their stories told.
sure, in an ideal world, we would all be treated as people, and not races. but thats not the reality we live in and to deny that is dismissing the pain of victims and also allows racism to go unaddressed.
I am incredibly sorry that you have suffered. I have too. its awful and I hate that it happened to you. but please try to extend that empathy to POC who have suffered and acknowledge why they suffered. denying that is an injustice and only serves to divide us when their struggles are my struggles too, even if I don't face the same struggle.
I am a care provider in Quebec and that case really brushed me the wrong way. How can they DARE speak to her like that, how did they DARE misstreat her like that. We swear to protect and nuture when we graduate it's mandatory, they ALL failed her and her familly!! Horrible story that I hope never ever happens again.
I hope she can rest in peace.
And you never witnessed this abhorrent behavior before? Ive experienced it myself many times.. too many people stay silent!
As a disabled person who is routinely mistreated medically- this was so real 😢
I hear you. I have a friend who is blind like me, with a slew of medical conditions. She has had to fight so, so hard for halfway decent healthcare. My heart goes out to you.
As a chronically ill and disabled indigenous woman living in Canada, I truly appreciate you covering this heartbreaking story. Medical racism happens way too often and just gets ignored but Joyce’s smart decision to livestream and her unfortunate death brought it to the news here for awhile but sadly all around I still just heard comments somehow blaming her death on herself, that she was a drug addict, an alcoholic, she killed herself, all the other things people assume about indigenous people. People should not have to die for anyone to care! 😞
that's so sad I wish people had more compassion for others 💔
True! And even being an addict doesn't justify this horrible treatment. No matter how many substances you take, you should not have hospital staff insult you and let you die, while you're in there trying to get treatment!
@@juliee593100%. Alcohol or drugs should not make a difference. Everyone deserves respect, care and safety.
I have such horrific white coat syndrome because of it. The doctor I have now is lovely but I can never ignore the trauma. I have to take my blood pressure at home because I have an immediate panic attack as soon as I get in the exam room.
Chronically ill physically disabled and of indigenous descent here, I have such bad clinical trauma because of this. Either this year or last year I was sent to a paediatrician by my gp because I haven't aged out of the system yet, said paediatrician who I saw to figure out if I had ehlers danlos syndrome just brushed me off as having muscle dystrophy with no cause why, basically said it was my fault my muscles were dying because I'm lazy(I should add I have chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encenphalomylitis long covid and what I suspect is lupus and sjogren's syndrome. I'm basically bedridden most days and moving at all is extremely painful), denied adhd existed to my face, and physically violated me during an abdominal strength exam and injured me. The ER staff have been nice to me so far but I'm still so scared about asking for narcotics to manage my chronic pain even though they ask me first. Just having my blood drawn triggers my tachycardia and c-ptsd and makes me present as "agitated" or "aggressive", I have POTS and when they attempted to do blood work on me my bpm was almost in the 200's. I didn't exercise or physically exert myself in any way I was sitting in a hospital bed. It was almost like I had ran an Olympic marathon even though I had done nothing. I'm still so distrustful of the ER staff even though they've been nothing but nice and understanding of me so far, it still feels too good to be true. I hope I'm not proven right.
the mistreatment of indigenous people always enrages me. their ancestors were living and thriving until settlers came over, claimed to have discovered the land, used them, stole the land, spread diseases, etc. and to this day they are being treated horribly by the people who pushed them out of their homes.
Don't be so quick to claim that indigenous people are wrongly treated. The number of cases are very high in incidents that they expect everything from healthcare to be free. Most will go to ER for the slightest issue to get free tylenol, before trying it at home. $3000 for a workup on a baby or toddler with a fever of less than 4 hrs. All for free tylenol.
Trying to educate them is like banging your head against a brick wall. I won't back down,BUT,
THIS hospital should be shut down. They should be sued to financial destruction. Every doctor,nurse in this case was negligent. Every single one. Notice I said doctor and nurse. Not one responsible action was taken by them. The one who want a nurse but who had 9 patients to watch should have refused and notified supervisor. That was negligent in that the time it takes to check one patient, and then start back again. We'll any of them could have died in that time frame.
She was indigenous and in the name of GOD, should have been treated just as your hands are his, for her and so many others that aren't or weren't. Any nurse with an iota of intelligence should have recognized this woman was not getting right treatment. I have had 2 patients die that never should have. And another pt, that wasn't mine but I fought another nurse about til it was too late fir his patient to make it.
Yep, I am retired after 47 yrs of nursing and o retired after the last one died on my watch. Called Dr 5 times and was hung up on
Til I told charge nurse, call him and get his ass in here now, or I was going to let relatives know, because he will die. He died after frightful chest pain. I did an EKG and lab work without the doctors order that showed he was having a heart attack.
I myself (Caucasian) have had crappy health care and when it happens I notify supervisor while still in hospital. In one case I was given morphine IV, then discharged. During covid season when cabs and Uber weren't working. I was told it didn't matter, and started walking homecat 02 am. 71 yrs old, wobbling all over from the morphine. I called police because I knew I wasn't going to make it. They were mad as hell and took me home, and went back to ER and gave them hell
I know because the ER called me and asked why that was necessary. I was later admitted to another facility with indicators that I would have ended up in ICU had I not followed up as quick as I did. I have had 3 other cases as a pt that were as bad. One was a doctor, that should have her ass sued for the life threatening tumor that had been growing and neglected for 3 colonoscpies rhat were abnormal but told they were all ok. The gastrointestinal Dr. Read off the pathology reports of all 3 that were abnormal. I could go on and on, about nurses and doctors. I gave my best to my patients and I am outraged at the treatment of this poor woman. My heart breaks that I could not be there to care for her.
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@@carolyngreving5044you're perpetuating the idea that all indigenous people are unintelligent drug seekers and then turning around and saying how tragic it is that a woman died due to those very assumptions. What is wrong with you?
I’m white and I’ve been spoken to like dirt by doctors of all colours. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve been dismissed by medical professionals. Not everything is automatically due to one’s race. Some doctors are just a$sholes. Are we seriously gonna sit here pretending like this doesn’t happen to thousands of people of all races? I’m getting tired of this constant race baiting narrative.
I hope this lovely lady rests in peace ❤
Mistreatment of ALL innocent people should enrage you..,weirdo
They want us dead, pure and simple. In their minds they're still working to solve the "Indian Problem".
i know this isn't the same exactly but it's the closest i can relate. as someone who's given birth in a hospital twice, the amount of bullying i received from nurses was insane. when you're in pain they act like you're such a nuisance to them or "overreacting". i was told that i was going to be given certain medical procedures instead of asked for consent prior. one nurse actually yelled at my for choosing a pediatrician that i guess she didn't like? it was the weirdest experience of my life feeling like i was entirely at the mercy of people who saw me as an annoyance to them. it's very scary, i can't imagine how much scarier it must have been for Joyce!!!
It’s very true! I always pray for nurses who has been through painful times in their own life as they are much kinder! Shouldn’t be like that !
That’s awful during what should have been a beautiful experience where you were cared for in every way! You and your sweet babe! Pregnant women need an advocate bc the pain of childbirth is so extreme we just cannot think straight, not to mention the hormone imbalance and exhaustion and hunger and sickness and anxiety and everything else that comes with it. My bf was over in a corner huddled while I was going thru a terrible experience of my baby being stuck in my pelvis and after 2 hours of pushing I yelled for a c section. Other than that my experience with every nurse and dr and midwife was just amazing. I didn’t take opioids, only asked for Tylenol and Motrin, but they kept offering me opioids if I was in any discomfort. (I am very scared of being looked at as drug seeking by doctors.)
I hope if you have or will have other kids you go to a different hospital!! Leave their hospital an honest review online so other women wont have this potentially happen if it happened recently. Hopefully the bad workers moved on if you had your sweet babe long ago ❤❤
This is so horrific! Everyone involved (aside from the CPN who seemed to be the only one to have had some compassion for this poor woman) should be charged with her death🤬🤬
Even if this was withdrawal, they still deserve kindness and respect
Especially since she clearly came to the hosiptal to GET HELP.
@@SjofnBM1989to get pain meds*
As someone who has gone through Canadian hospitals many times i’m not surprised, I remember going to the hospital because I had problems controlling my muscles and was twitching uncontrollably (side effect of medication I took) and once they learned I had bipolar disorder they immediately locked me in an empty room with a camera and restraints. I felt fine mentally, and wasn’t causing a stir. I went with my mom at the time, and she asked why they had done this; the doctors told her I was a potential threat because I have bipolar disorder. It just felt so dehumanizing, especially since they wouldn’t even tell ME why they had done this.
Wtf that ain’t right that’s desgusting how you were treated
Yup, I also have bipolar disorder, anxiety (although both are very well managed) and a history of anorexia nervosa that was life threatening (but I am in remission over 4 years!!) and I never bring up the ‘A’ word (anxiety) because if you do, suddenly all your symptoms are brushed off as anxiety.
@laoongcat was it lexapro by any chance?
@@Gmatias2044 Lexapro caused me to experience a manic depressive episode that put my life in serious jeopardy. I was on it for 6 weeks. Received a formal diagnosis shortly after that terrifying episode. The withdrawal was hell, too. Have you had a similar experience?
I’m so sorry you had to deal with that.
Hi, I'm a registered nurse, working in Montréal, Québec. This situation is heart breaking as this patient really didn't deserve the treatment she received. She was known in an ultraspecialized cardiology hospital where I've worked, for her congenital heart condition. She was a sweet, decent and kind person, and not once have I heard anyone complaining about her behavior or lifestyle choices there. Perhaps, even if she would've been everything they said she was, she still was a patient who required & requested care, to the best of her ability. Knowing her past medical history and her heart condition, she should've been monitored closely and put on a telemetry at the very least, to monitor her heart! At the VERY LEAST... Sadly, I can confirm the plague of systemic racism, but unfortunately, it's not only in our health care system... May she rest in peace, and may her family and close ones find solace and closure. God bless 🙏🏽 ❤
This treatment of indigenous people is VERY common by medical, educational, judicial, and law enforcement services. Had she not had the foresight to record on FB Live the hospital would've successfully covered it all up as they've no doubt have done countless times before.
This is absolutely a case of racism but i think it's also a huge case about the stigma against addiction. If the doctors and nurses treated people with addiction like humans, and not like sub-par creatures then this poor woman would have been taken care of and would likeky still be here today, especially when you add in the fact that she wasnt even experiencing withdrawal.
What an infuriating case. I wish this family peace.
I agree. My brother was a substance abuser, and his hospital team refused him pain relief when he was dying of cancer. They couldn’t comprehend that his tolerance was very high due to his addiction, so they gave him LOWER doses in his last days, instead of calibrating according to his tolerance. It felt like he was being punished even in his last few days.
Especially when doctors caused this opioid epidemic by over prescribing pain meds, then taking them away from everyone including those who truly need them to live a functioning (not fulfilling, functioning) life! It is disgusting! Every one who needs and asks for pain relief is an addict according to the health care workers. But health care workers themselves generally have no problem being prescribed controlled substances, whether it be pain, Adhd, or anxiety meds. Everyone else who needs it, oh they are just addicts!
The problem is addicts treat health care professionals like shit. If they don’t get their methadone when they demand it they start screaming at staff, even if it’s being deliberately withheld because they came in with an OD. They steal, they fight with other patients and they shoot up in the hospital bathrooms and at the end of the day we have other patients to look after that their antics are directly and indirectly harming. After a few years of dealing with that, you’d run pretty low on empathy too…
RIP dear Joyce. I'm Canadian and can attest to the fact that there being abuse toward many indigenous peoples. See also the highway of tears.
And yet…you are supporting lsrael? Who are literally pushing indigenous Palestinians out of their land for the past 70 years? Yikes bro
She already did a video on a case that's related to the highway of tears! Its about the indigenous family that went missing
I'm a registered nurse. I was a nurses aide in a nursing home for years. Then when getting my RN I was a psychiatric and addictions/ drug & alcohol detox nurse for several years then a nurse in a nursing home. Now I'm on a hospital floor and we are med-surg/oncology/ telemetry &palliative care. I love your videos. But they make my blood boil! You have a new subscriber. People need to hear this stuff. Much love and keep doing what you're doing.
I can attest to being treated this way. I am not first nations but i was an addict. (37 years clean) Even though I was quiet and respectful I was treated horrendously by 3 nurses. 2 other nurses were godsends. I had quit everything when I found out I was pregnant (and divulged drug use because I was horrified she had been subjected to it before I knew I was pregnant.) I was drug free except low dose methadone perscribed by doctor. (so baby wouldn't go into withdrawal in utero) I gave birth 4 weeks 5 days early. I was terrified and felt so guilty. They were worried about babe and I gave birth with no pain meds and no epidural. I tried so hard not to admit to the pain but when they used forceps and a back scoop i started crying loudly. I was told to shut up, told this is whst happens when you do drugs and spread your legs, told its girls like you who should never have a baby and even when i was leaving the hospital with her i was told i had a tipped uterus and its unlikely i will ever get pregnant again so I better look after this one. Found out at a follow up with my own doctor, no, i did not have a tipped uterus. These are just a few of the things said to me. I am (being honest) a good human who was abused and had no help to navigate it. Even when i was using i was still the same me. I was a quiet loving person who, upon finding out I was pregnant stopped everything. I was in a monogamous relationship. And baby was discharged 7 days later with no effect. I got lucky. Just saying that because my thought was- i had every right to mess myself up but i had NO RIGHT to involved my child in an addict's life. She was loved and is now a nurse herself. A loving nurse. So in the case above -with racism along with drug issues I doubt the nurses even saw her as a person. She had so many things against her that should never have effected her quality of care or her treatment in hospital. If you cant handle a patient who is struggling that much you shouldn't be a nurse. Shelf your frustrations till youre in your car alone. Sorry guys thst was long if you got this far. Love to all who struggle. You'll get there. ❤
When I woke up from an operation to remove my gallbladder, the pain in my abdomen was like an 8 out of 10. I started screaming “get me some pain killers”. They gave me the least amount that I couldn’t even feel. I said I need a higher dose and this nurse says right to me “stop lying to try to get more pain killers.
I hate doctors and nurses.
And that's a problem medical personnel started by the way by over prescribing pain medications for daily use so they can take the insurance payments home. 10 years ago they didn't worry about how much medication was needed after a procedure THEY performed. If you want to lie and get pain meds you don't get your gall bladder removed you just go to your physician and ask 🙄 not a joke
@@KyleEvraI’m sorry you have this opinion of medical professionals. The majority of nurses and doctors are compassionate and dedicate their lives toward caring for others.
I am a nurse and I worked during the beginning of Covid, overworked and understaffed, exposing myself to a scary disease for which there was no vaccine. I worked on Christmas and Thanksgiving. I wore the same N95 mask for 2 weeks at a time for 13 hours a day. I had wounds on my face from where the N95 dug in. I wore garbage bags as PPE.
Being a nurse is a mostly thankless job. That’s okay though, I don’t need thanks, but it’s upsetting when I see people say “ I hate nurses” when I know that me and my coworkers quite literally break our backs daily doing our best to care for patients with limited resources.
Please don’t project the experience you had with a few bad nurses onto all of us. Just like any other profession, there are good and bad people in the world.
A patient needs pain meds after getting an organ removed? Impossible
Yep. I remember going to the ER for what ended up being gallbladder issues and being scared to ask for pain relief because being treated like you are just a liar seeking drugs is so so difficult to deal with. Even having left work early and then having to call my mother to take me from urgent care to an ER. Staff has got to fine some median of care besides handing out opioids like candy and treating patients like we’re all just lying addicts
I actually also feel just horrible for that CPN. She seems like a compassionate, caring person who had way too much piled on her plate as a result. I'd wager those nurses used their positions like a social club and didn't care to do their damn jobs. That CPN should be a damn doctor.
It sounded like that CPN was the only person actually trying to help Joyce and being denied at every turn. I hope that woman knows she was probably the only bright spot involved for Joyce and her loved ones during such a traumatic event.
She was probably traumatised by this whole ordeal too. Being unqualified to help, and having all your calls for help be denied, knowing the other staff members won't care for the patient properly, and then the patient dies... Even though she did what she could, her guilt must be immense.
God, honestly. The CPN should never have been put in that position.
@@Tazzie1312 it would give me nightmares
@@Manticorn it definitely sounds like a nightmare: you see a patient in dire need of help, you know who to call, and you call and call and call and they see it happen and do not care and your patient dies. I can imagine this replays in her dreams.
Crazy how a bunch of medical professionals didn’t see that agitation is a sign of someone sensing impending doom
Thank you for covering this! Systemic racism is a huge problem in the US health system as well. I see this first-hand as a hospital RN. It is our responsibility to speak up and advocate for treatment to improve for indigenous patients and other minorities!
I’ve never seen it or heard of it occurring. I’m an RN and I work at 2 different hospital systems in TX. All patients are treated with dignity and equality. Just a few weeks ago, I had a Black, female patient come out of surgery, and her first blood pressure was low normal, then her next 2 were a little lower (90s over 50s or 60s), but when the 4th blood pressure dropped to 80s over 40s I immediately called anesthesia and myself, my co-workers and 2 anesthesiologists (very diverse group including White, Indian, Vietnamese, etc) worked together to keep her as stable as possible before taking her to CT and ICU. And that’s exactly what needed to be done and would have been done for any patient of any ethnicity or gender.
When I had my 4th child who is my last child at 22..the nurse called security on me..I had a c-section and had my daughter and father in the room.She didn't like my demeanor.I told them I want to go home.So I was discharged the day after surgery only to end up back in the hospital a few days later with post-partum preeclamsia.I was given an IV drip with mercury and it went well.
Thank you for posting about the oppression that Indigenous peoples in Canada STILL face today. It’s heartbreaking, and unfortunately not many Canadians recognize this.
Seriously the amount of people I hear acting like Canada is this perfect uptopia where everyone gets along I'm like.....we clearly live in 2 different Canadas.
@@SjofnBM1989 I suppose in a way they do: white Canada and BIPOC Canada.
Yeah, it’s definitely not fully resolved, although some efforts have been made in *some* areas…I’m a young white woman who is exceptionally apologetic when I need care outside of my typical doctor’s appointments. I don’t seek care easily, I wait quietly, and I hesitate to ask for help when I need it while waiting. Even then, you can get brushed off. I had a normal-ish blood pressure, although elevated for me, but a heart rate well over 120 resting and could not feel my hands and feet any longer. I asked for reassessment which gave those numbers when my hands and feet started going from tingling to numb. I was told ‘oh your vitals are
Basically normal’. Not quite. Turns out my potassium was low and I was dehydrated from one of my chronic conditions that had affected me that morning but sort of had a delayed effect so it took me 12 hours before seeking care. I ended up on IV fluids including potassium for 10 hours before discharge. I can only imagine how someone who is in a less favourable group could be treated. The doctor himself and then my treating nurses were good though, once I actually had treatment started, and I was given appropriate fluids, electrolytes, anti nausea meds, and a touch of anxiety meds that I have prescribed for occasional PRN usage but hadn’t tried taking because I try not to use it. That was the last time I had to seek out emergency/urgent care level care (our urgent cares are in hospitals and used to be ER wards and can handle most incidents, including my level of needing care). Yes, our system is paid through taxes, and as a lower income earner I am forever grateful for this, but there are some glaring errors/holes.
as an indigenous woman who has medical trauma from treatment/lackthereof...thank you so much for talking about this!! not enough ppl know this case, and not enough ppl understand how terrifying it is to be indigenous in this country.
I'm from Alaska, but watching my friend beg the Native clinic all day for very low-level pain medication post-surgery and then my milk-white self making a ten-minute call to my doctor and scoring the same script... yeah. I hate this shit for you guys. I hate it so much. 💀
My grandfather, my dad's dad, passed away in the hospital on Christmas day 1969. He was 43 years old. He had leukemia and had fallen out of the hospital bed and internally bled to death. It happened because nobody had checked on him in a long time. To this day my dad is affected by it. He was only a 10 year old boy. This made me think of him. I feel so bad for her and her family.
Labeling someone an addict in situations like this is literally the same as labeling them trash. Even if she had been an addict, none of this was acceptable.
Just sickening. Even if she was a dramatic drug addict, she would still deserve proper care and to have her pain taken seriously. There’s no excuse for this.
As someone who has had medical emergencies and been treated like absolute dog sh*t including being restrained and given tranquilizers while they treat me like a drug seeker only to find out I am legitimately dying like I told them I was to begin with, I really really feel for this poor woman and her family. I can only imagine the pain she must've felt not being listened to. I'm so glad they atleast took me to get the scans I demanded and they found my TBI because by the time they found it, I had less than an hour to live. I really hope they all felt like asshole and felt stupid for treating me the way they did and I hope the people in charge of taking care of Joyce feel the same way. They shoukd truly be ashamed of themselves. Of course when we're in life threatening pain we act ridiculous! I know it sounds crazy but when you're close to death like that, you can feel your organs start to shut down and everything in bodt going haywire and it makes you act irate and nonsensical. My boyfriend and dad say they have never seen me act anything like that before ajd they knew that what I was saying was true because even though alot of it didnt make sense because I was starting to fade out, enough of it made sense that they knew that I knew something was very wrong. I wish doctors would actually start listening to us instead of labeling us as drug addicts and drug seekers. Even if we are drug addicts, we coukd still be going through something serious where we need geniune help and they couldnt care less because they see drug addicts as less than and not deserving of help. Its really disgusting and I think people that have those views shouldn't work in healthcare at all. We all deserve to get fair healthcare no matter our life circumstances. I will definitely be praying for Joyce's family and especially her children.
I'm so sorry you went through that he'll due to incompetence. I hope you and your family are healing from that and doing better now.
I remember going to the walk in clinic when I was 17 because I thought I had mono and the doctor immediately telling me "I'm not giving you any drugs if that's what you're after!!"
It’s disgusting how common this is. I’ve been through a similar experience and I’m lucky to be alive. I was given haldol for agitation because they were convinced I was doing everything on purpose as if I wanted to suffer?
I am so sad for Joyce and her family there is absolutely 0 reason this should’ve happened and she should be living her life right now.
I am so sorry to everyone here. I've experienced these things many times just against myself, not to mention happened to my parents, siblings and even my husband that suddenly passed away in June. The whole f*cking system needs to come down.
You can blame degenerates like my brother for this. He is the drug addict loser these doctors think everyone is and the reason is that even when he is at the hospital for legitimate needs, he acts like he's dying if he isn't high enough. Screaming and crying and being violent and irate until he gets drugs. Hospitals have prescribed him drugs after necessary surgeries because he would refuse to leave without the drugs, not because he needs them . The way he is. I can see why doctors can't believe people in real pain and it pisses me off to no end. I've suffered similar treatment from doctors because of people like my brother and I can clearly see they think it's because I may be one of him. It just....I get so mad and if you had seen the way he manipulates the system for drugs. It's why everyone gets labeled like him because people like him are so selfish and manipulative and endlessly driven. He takes the good out of you. Knowing people like him literally sucks the good out of you and leaves you full of distaste. I've seen my brother at work. He's covered all the bases and there is no seeing my honest pain after people like him.
I am a retired RN with 28 years of ICU experience (mostly cardiac surgical ICU) and 3 years in surgical services.
I am very impressed with your knowledgeable presentation of information. Thank you.
Joyce’s truth is absolutely horrible and all those staff should be held accountable. The simplest thing to do is find the cause of restlessness and pain. Working in PACU I had a old man with dementia who’d had surgery (I don’t recall what). From a post op perspective he was stable and ready to go back to the floor. However, he was very restless. I happened to see him scratch his private area and witnessed stool on his fingers. I asked our tech to help me clean him up but a younger (not very caring) nurse told me we don’t have time for that. I did it anyway and once clean the man was calm and in no distress. I didn’t need to give him meds to change his behavior, just give good care
Ms. Joyce told them no to morphine and not only did they force it on her, they called her a drug addict. I’ve known many addicts. Absolutely none of them would tell a doctor no to pure morphine in their veins. They literally called her a drug addict and abused her because of it while forcing her to take drugs that she did not want.
Also, I just knew one of those nurses was gonna cry and claim she’s just so stressed and that’s why we should all forgive her. Most nurses were mean girls in high school. They learned that they can do whatever they want to whoever they want. If caught, all they have to do is bat their eyes and sob and play the victim card till everyone in the room is either manipulated into pitying them and their little womanly brain or too uncomfortable to speak. Anyone who does is set upon by the thousands of nurses just like them. It’s a pattern and we should all be fucking terrified. When a nurse gets prosecuted for blatant murder out of negligence and/or racism and just about every other nurse flocks to her defense, know that they’ve likely abused and possibly killed patients too.
I’m a SPED teacher. If one of my fellows watched their student walk into the road or fall into a pool and did nothing, I would personally campaign for their imprisonment because being “tired” isn’t an excuse for murder. Would you defend a murderer in your field if their reason was being oh so sleepy?
PREACH! I love your passion about this!
that’s what oppressors do. they call u something and then make you into that thing as much as they can by force, so they’re gaslighting her saying shes an addict and its her fault when its really them violating her body. its disgusting. those abusive staff deserve no mercy
Agree. I think choosing a career in healthcare should come with a personality component in order to pass; like measuring for bedside manner. Because you can memorize and pass the science tests, but you can’t change who you are. If you aren’t the kind of person that wants to care for any and everyone, then for the love of Gd don’t!
I strongly feel that the liaison officer was not allowed into the ER because the nursing staff knew who she was, and knew that she would keep them from doing what they did. If they let her in, they would’ve had someone who was able to advocate, who was able to stand up for Joyce, and who would be able to testify against them in court. They didn’t want a strong witness to the murder.
Right. Maybe she advocated for people in the past and racist staff saw her as a nuisance because she was doing her job.
DEFINITELY. I hope she will continue to advocate for her people without being sent away. This needs to be against the law!
agreed.
You are such a valuable light to the true crime community, someone who does not shy away from addressing the definitive prejudice against BIPOC, who creates the deep impact that these loses have on communities, humanizing them in a way that many researchers may not take the time to do. You shed deviated perspectives and facts that, in conjunction with the subject matter, make such an emotional presentation of the case you cover. Thank you for your hard work, you are so sweet!
Edit: forgot to say, it’s such a slap in the face to the family, all indiginous peoples of Canada, that her death was not recognized as purposeful. Accidental negligence implies that they did not consciously neglect her. They neglected her, and severely mjstreated her, and profiled her. They were right when they said if she had been white, this would not have happened.
As a chronic pain patient this is a very real fear and as a nurse who has worked in the clinical setting I can tell you the mindset of many are not promising. The jump from compassion to judgement is swift to assume drug seeking. It terrifies me. This doesn’t even begin to include the shitty treatment and racist behaviors in this situation.
Joyce's case really does make you think. How many weren't recorded? How many people suffered this treatment due to medical racism and we will never know their stories. The CPN's attempts to help her give me at least a little hope these things can change one day.
This whole story is really sad and tragic. It’s really insidious. I’m a black resident physician at a different hospital. When I was a med student I broke my ankle and had surgery. I was trying to move on my own and I fell and had really bad pain. My nerve block had moved so I went to the ED. The nurses kept talking about me being drug seeking as if they would have actually talked they would have known I have had surgery. I was a medical student and still didn’t matter. It’s really gross.
Joyce was allergic to acetaminophen (Tylenol) and yet they administered acetaminophen to her and wondered why she was agitated and uncomfortable?
Petal, your videos are really incredible. Thank you for making us more aware of issues like this.
I’ve had some pretty bad experiences at hospitals, one including a nurse lying about me to the doctors and completely fabricating a conversation between us that never happened, that was wild enough. But this really sheds light on what happens behind seemingly closed doors, and I can’t even imagine the struggles Indigenous women go through. We have to continue to speak out for them ❤️
As a nursing student, this video should be shown to all healthcare students; I can recognize all the wrongdoings and blatant racism in everyone's actions and choices. I don't know if it is because I'm young or live in a slightly different cultural environment (the US), but this all "seems" inexcusable to me.
there is abuse against indigenous people just as bad in the us... i'd say its very similiar in both countries. there are many people in canada who also find this inexcusable and disgusting, but unfortunately bigots exist everywhere.
As a person from the Bay Area, I think you should study the case of Ailee Jong, her case was the catalyst that eventually opened up an investigation linking 4 other pediatric deaths at the same hospital. It's a really interesting but sad case to read as well.
wow i never heard of this story so i looked it up and that is just awful. i agree, petal would do a great video on this.
i have chronic pain and went through a colonoscopy for stomach pain, and honestly i was definitely agitated. i was hungry and in pain and nobody was really listening to me. idk why they’re surprised when someone isn’t very calm when they’re feeling so miserable.
Thank you for covering this. I would watch it through but I’m a cree person who lost their dad to medical negligence. My dad and his friend died in the same emergency room 1 year apart, they were both experiencing extreme stomach pain and were treated like drug seeking addicts even tho both of them were sober traditional cree dads parenting on their own who hadn’t touched alcohol or drugs in decades.
This hits way to close to home but thank you for covering it.
In a way I feel like this wake people up to our struggles and makes it so negligent/racist doctors and nurses can’t get away with killing us anymore.
I hope your family and your dad get justice. ❤
i’m from quebec and i thank you for covering this case. it’s shameful that our PM françois legault STILL, to this day, denies the existence of systemic racism in quebec. he’s an awful leader in all respects but unfortunately his large base of white conservatives love him and keep him in power.
As a Canadian I can tell you it's not just the natives having issues in hospital/doctor settings. Women here in general do as well. We're not listened to, thought to be hypochondriacs and never taken seriously when we say we have pain or there's something wrong. It's all chalked up to our weight when we could be 120 pounds soaking wet. Our medical system is just fucked in general and needs to be completely redone.
Yup. And NEVER mention the ‘A’ word (anxiety) or you’ll never have any symptom such as increased HR (I have a congenital heart defect) treated with an EKG or any other check.
Wonderful information you made Joyce human to us along with providing us the facts…..often times the humanity of the victims get lost….people of color and indigenous people are often thought of as drug addicted, alcoholic, Sex starved, cursing fighting, uneducated fool for the most part…..at 63 year old I faced this for the first time in medical care the past year and it shocked me that yes it true it does exist….thank you and keep up it beautiful job….prayer for her family
The grad/trainee nurse had NINE other patients?? WTF???
In Australian public hospitals the maximum nurse to patient ratio is 4! This number is based in science as the number of patients nurses can handle without a serious risk to patient care
That they would allow a nurse who is not yet fully experienced too by look after 10 patients on a busy ward is insane to me
I'm not even full treaty and I've experienced this shit in Canadian hospitals; I nearly died from pneumonia because several doctors dismissed my symptoms as drug seeking and nothing more than a stomach bug.
Anyone who says there's no systemic racism is either blind because they never experienced it themselves or are wilfully ignorant.
May Joyce be resting in peace; she deserved better.
You're right: this kind of dismissal happens extremely often to women in general. If it happens to half the human population already, how hard is it to understand that the treatment is even worse for marginalised ethnic groups? You don't even need to be around the situation yourself to understand that it's real. People who keep denying the existence of systemic issues are a special kind of dense.
@juliee593 lol no, they just see through it.
@@CMP-st5whYou'll get older and be in pain someday. Hopefully you get that energy thrown at you.
It’s really futile for any of the employees being investigated to skirt responsibility by saying it didn’t come from a place of racial discrimination when the whole diagnosis of her being on narcotics withdrawl came from racial prejudice (and literally no prior medical evidence). And by their logic that means they think anyone with a history of drug abuse are deserving of being mistreated by them if they happen to catch them on a “bad day” where they’re overworked and dealing with pressure. Even without the issue of racism that is not how you would treat someone with withdrawl but now First Nation people know that if they go into a hospital they’re putting themselves at risk of being treated like drug addicted hypochondriacs.
Thank you for bringing to light this topic. As a foster care kid who grew up and got adopted my family tree was ruined due to residential schools. Racism is huge for indigenous people in Canada and this situation is a clear case of this. I’ve experienced a lot it is disgusting
As someone from Québec, I still remember the rage I felt when Joyce’s story first came out in the news. What’s the point in having free healthcare if they don’t even offer proper care? It’s always never ending wait lists for specialists, spending hours upon hours in the waiting room, incompetent staff, etc. There are good people who try to provide the best care they can, but they’re overworked and hospitals end up understaffed. Add discrimination to the mix and you get tragedies like this. She deserved better.
Did they really try to say she was agitated because she was “withdrawing” from “cannabis”?? I don’t know how it works in Canada but here I would report every licensed physician who is board certified to their board(s). That’s where they face the most career-ending consequences.
Edit: from this video it seems the problem was almost entirely with the nursing staff and the understaffing of actual medical personnel by administrators. Insane. Unfortunately nurses aren’t held as accountable as physicians are - and the resident who was mentioned was absolutely not allowed to give any kind of status to the family without consulting with the attending at some point prior. That’s just how it is and isn’t the resident’s fault n
Nothin Racism is repent in Quebec. If you not white and french stay far away from Quebec. The further north the worst it will be.
Even in CHS, no one withdraws of cannabis 😂 you just have a terrible tummy time. I don’t have CHS but I smoke
Once the staff starts to view you as a patient who is intentionally difficult, especially if suspected addict or simulant, you will get treated exactly like this
This story has nothing to do with race, or anything else.
This is why I don't tell doctors that I smoke (occasionally).. if I am ever in a situation where I HAVE to tell them.. then, I will. But at a regular checkup, I don't.
That's right. It's impossible to get physical withdrawal symptoms from cannabis because it has an incredibly long half-life. Half-life is the amount of time it takes for half of a dose to be cleared from the blood stream.
THC is extremely fat soluble, so it does not stay in the blood very long--it is taken up by the next fatty tissue the blood runs through-- the brain is mostly fat, so THC will circulate between the brain and the adipose tissue in the body, rarely presenting to the liver for breakdown and removal.
Physical withdrawal symptoms occur when levels of an addictive substance decrease more rapidly than the body can tolerate. Alcohol, being mostly water, is a good example. That is why abrupt alcohol withdrawal is so dangerous and much more likely to kill you than heroin withdrawal. I studies with a guy who was the head of drug program for the WHO--Edward Senay, MD. He said that people who cold turkey from heroin wish they would die, but people who cold turkey from alcohol dependence will die--about 5% of the time.
i live in montreal and i remember when this happened. it's terrible that racism is still so prevalent in quebec, and with the introduction of new language laws (bill 96), it feels like legault is trying to get rid of everyone that isn't white and french. recently the government has doubled the tuition fee for international students studying at an english school in quebec, which may potentially bring down entire universities.
cases like joyce's aren't uncommon. authorities don't treat natives like people. we need to change that. land back.
I was born and raised in an English pocket of Quebec, of which there are many. Seeing how the racism has exploded since I left makes me feel physically ill. My own mother was part of a class action lawsuit when they tried to deny the children of non-French speaker’s an education in their parents’ language. It was deemed unconstitutional then, just as bill 96 should be now.
This reminds me of a time when my then-10-year-old son was having a great deal of trouble breathing. I took him to ER and they said he had pneumonia and prescribed 10 days of antibiotics. His condition didn’t improve even with the full course of meds. I took him back to ER. They questioned whether or not I had given him the meds, and gave another 10 day script. He still didn’t improve so I decided to take him on an hour and a half drive to a Boston hospital. I demanded all of his medical records from the local hospital and in big bold hand written letters across the first page was “MOTHER HOSTILE”! At the Boston hospital it took them about 15 minutes to diagnose him with asthma and then administer the proper treatment. My “hostility” was justified.
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I’ve heard about this story once before. It brought me to tears again. Racism toward anyone is unacceptable. The things said and done in this case are unconscionable. My love and prayers go out to Joyce’s family. The fact that she was only 37 years old is so very sad. Her poor babies and husband. There are no words. And the most horrible part to me is that she was an Indian. The way the natives of North America are treated is absolutely insane. We owe them our lives. They should be treated as royalty, imo.
You do really amazing work. There’s clearly so much effort in these videos and you help raise the voices of the oppressed
Not one part of this story had anything to do with race. Anyone who works in healthcare, especially in free health care countries can tell you about this.
Once the staff starts to view you as a patient who is intentionally difficult, especially if suspected addict or simulant, you will get treated exactly like this
Please peddle this commie oppression narrative elsewhere.
I wouldn't say oppressed. Everyone goes through this, and things have changed in the past few years. I'm considered a minority, but I've never experienced this
“Everyone goes through this.”
“I’ve never experienced this.”
Mhm.
Just because something happens to everyone, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen to some people more. And just because you’ve never experienced something, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
@@nonusbusinissus5632bless your heart. Get back to watching fox news, sweetie.
@@purplesingercats8937 Mhm, and just because something happens somewhere, sometimes on the rear side of your country, it does not mean that you should extrapolate it into country wide global problem you should start movements over.
You have the subsection of a subsection of a subsection of a problem, and you act like you have invented yourself some sort of new religious moral foundations, which makes you and your kind just about the most disgusting things that exists in today's society: The corpse feeders who ride other people's suffering in order to give their own existence some meaning.
Does it feel good to LARP being some sort of good guy that doesnt do anything, but acts like he/she is some sort of hero of representation and voice for the oppressed?
Is it fun? Ofc it is, why else would you replace your entire personality with it otherwise.
Omg as a PSW when I heard her BP my mouth dropped!! I'd be getting everyone in that room! Those staff literally tortured her. Giving her morphine, restraining her, knowing she has a heart condition and came in severe chest pain to the point of falling. I'm blown away by how casual the staff were like not one had a heart...to write those gross note. My heart goes to her family❤
When I was 17 I had ulcers burst in my intestines that caused internal bleeding. No Drs believed me and just kept saying it was my period or a gluten/dairy intolerance for about 7-8 months. It wasn’t until I looked so grey that my retail job made me go to the ER, they finally checked my hemoglobins count which was at a 12…. I was literally about to die just because nobody wanted to do their job. Truly disgusting.
Thank you so much for doing a video on Joyce. I’m indigenous from a remote northern Canadian town and when I found out about what happened to Joyce in the news, I was so saddened, but not surprised.
I'm from the US and used to think of Canada as some kind of escape from the racism in the US, but it's everywhere, you can't escape it. Nurse Paul's "apology" is such bs as well, like she didn't even take responsibility and had the audacity to ask for forgiveness from the family and say how she was a good person. The first step is admitting what you did, not try and skirt responsibility.
Literally!! That is her white privilege at work. She’s talking like she didn’t just take a life through bullying and medical malpractice just because she was prejudice towards Joyce.
This is excellent work. I love the long-format, excellent citations and beautiful fact that you acknowledged that this woman was a person not just a news story. I feel like a lot of channels gloss over this concept of people's story and humanity before going into the "good stuff." This is wonderful, please keep making more!
I only discovered your channel yesterday and I am SO GLAD I did. You cover these things with the respect and seriousness they deserve without adding nonsense music and effects and whatever and instead you provide a thoughtful detailed overview to give a good impression of what happened. I really respect your work
This always gives me goose bumps. Not just because it happened in my city but because it literally happens all the time. The way indigenous people are treated is horrible. But its particularly bad in montreal. Indigenous people make up a majority of homeless people in Montreal.
One time when I went to the hospital emergency room. There was and indigenous woman who was litterally yelling because every staff member would completely ignore her.
This channel is criminally underrated.
the same thing happened to my mom, she has a couple chronic health conditions including an autoimmune condition, and she was accused of being a drug seeker by the hospital. despite her medical records corroborating what she was saying and having 0 record of doing drugs (not even marijuana, which is fully legal in our state). my mom is also a woc.
I love these videos because it’s bringing so much attention to all the malpractice and atrocities that go on in hospitals. I lost my dad because of a hospital’s negligence so I just like seeing these things talked about more I love this channel so far.
Thank you so much for covering this case ❤ it’s already been seemingly forgotten by so many
This story is disgusting and I am trembling with rage right now.
You have done an excellent job bring this case to the light for everyone to see.
This is a video I will be posting to social media, as it needs to be seen by more people.
This is NOT acceptable!
Peace be with you, Joyce Echequan.
I feel bad for the CPN. They probably were the least culpable in his case, yet also the only one to apologize to the family.
Ms. Palmer, I really enjoyed listening to you. You are very eloquent in the way you speak. You seem to really research your subject and I appreciate the time you took to put this video together. Thank You.
Amazingly sad story. I'm a retired RN. I practiced since '74. Nothing beats poor medical care than systemic racism in healthcare. I'm an AA born and raised in Harlem, NYC. I'm a babyboomer of the days of righteous revolution. But healthcare to all minorities in the US is the same...substandard. Upon beginning my career, I chose to work in a psychiatric department in a NYC Public Hospital as this community was underserved just like the one I was raised in. Before the George Floyd murder, and as long as I worked in this one facility, we took a mandatory diversity/cultural sensitivity course every year. In the mental health department, we freely discussed racism among staff. Yes, it was stated with evidence to the offending staff member who responded with either anger, shock or denial. Denial was never an option. But we also had a Minority Coalition Group long before the '80 set in. So, unless systemic racism is not conceived as an enemy, then it will continue and it WILL mean lives. That indigenous community is not known to me. But I would suggest their leaders take a trip to NYC, NAACP and strategize with them and also their legal fund. That poor woman had a right to live and her community be treated with respect. Can't happen if there is no understanding of how dangerous systemic racism is. Racism is taught and need to be untaught. Yes, an understaffed hospital is dangerous. But I know of some adequately staffed hospitals that are dangerous also. When a family member of mine has to go a hospital. I don't tell the staff I'm this highly educated RN. I wait for them to f-up and then I come out like a snake in the grass with my Mighty Mouse Nursing Cape and cap, license pinned to my chest. I am a family member in "the know" . I also email the CEO and president of the facility to offer a complaint of poor treatment. If I advocated for my severely mentally ill patients of all nationalities, you darn tooting I will take no prisoners. That hospital that woman died in should have been stripped head to the bottom. But you need to know how to fight. And then, if you can, get help. Publicity works wonders. That poor Lady even in her period of dying knew she needed social media on her side.
Never depend on hospital officials fixing up things. On the contrary. They hide all the evidence, threaten staff, fire them, practice with them what to say, etc.
Sorry for the length of this comment. But I was so glued to every word said in this excellent presentation, that the rage of the injustice got to me as the sadness overwhelmed me.