This is so cool! I remember, as a kid in the 90s thinking about how advanced we are, and how 'dumb' the tech of the past was... But as an adult, I realise how much intelligence went into making these old school machines. They're seriously impressive!
Reply to your query - my father was the engineer at Perry Barr from about 1949 until the track closed. I worked with him for a while and ran the setup when he went on holiday, I also helped to instal a HiSpeed tote at a small track near Walsall then ran it for a few years. At that time Perry Barr raced on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday evenings while the HiSpeed tote ran on Monday, Wednesday and Friday evenings, it was a full week.
Should have mentioned the machinery involved - the Win & Place pool involved 50 flaps and 14 aggregators, the Forecast pool used 125 flaps and 31 aggregators, together with a motor generator set supplying the 50 volt DC needed you can imagine the noise level with all that lot going round.
yep that makes sense. in the previous vid i touch on the amount of aggregators required but didnt realise the mass of flaps! so i assume you have experience of perry barr? do you have more info and or pictures????
So close! I had a bunch of those that were part of a mass spectrum analyzer where all the different modules used them to connect together... but I threw it out a few months ago. I still have the power supplies but I just checked them and only one has one of those connectors. It's a 60 pin (roughly, I was counting in the dark) and female... This is why I try not to ever throw anything out. But you know... having a wife and all... I have to pick my battles.
I think I'm noticing a pattern with the naming convention... the part number is "318" which I think stands for 3 rows, 18 pins... so whatever you're looking for probably has "318" in its part number.
I'm 95% sure that what you seek is called "Cinch-Jones P-318-CCE" which is still being manufactured. Unfortunately it looks like the usual suspects list but do not stock these so there's a minimum order of 500pcs from the factory.
It seems like they are called Jones or Cinch-Jones plugs in America. They are called Plessey Painton connectors elsewhere. Although Plessey actually called them multicon plugs.
5:05 "The downside is, if the contacts aren't completely clean, it just keeps on spinning around" I'm pretty sure that's actually by design, to make a failure obvious to anyone reading the board --- much better than a dirty contact causing the display to get stuck and show the wrong information!
The two rotary switches make up an AND gate or a selector and multiplexor, however you want to look at it. The relay controlling the motor is an inverter, or NOT gate. Clever bit of kit!
That white paint is almost certainly full of lead. I think you'd probably be good just brushing off the loose stuff and then hitting it with a clear coat to encapsulate it to prevent it from flaking off and getting into the air and what-not.
@@reggiep75 there's this phenomenon where, TESTING is actually bad from a legal standpoint. Once you test, you know. So often, legal liability makes it ill advised to actually do any real testing. You're better off from a liability perspective, to just assume it's lead (or radon or whatever) and treat it as such, but not actually test for it. Because once you have a positive test, the legal requirements for mitigation can become really complicated. If you just assume it's lead (because it probably is) and take care of it like it's lead, You've taken care of the problem without creating a court subpoenable legal record some random person in the future can use against you for a personal injury lawsuit. Even if they're not going to win, having documents like that out there makes it really easy for randos to just file frivolous lawsuits like that. It's annoying. I'm speaking from a US perspective, UK liability law might be different.
Beauty! I'll ask around in the communities I'm in, maybe someone has a bunch of those Jones connectors. I'm also pretty sure new ones could be made by 3D printing, possibly using contacts from discombobulated Jones connectors of more common types.
Seeing as he's doing the wiring on either side of the plug, he could use any plugs really. Could use something more modern and easily available, like a d-sub 25
@@gorak9000 I think it's more about antique electronics preservation/restoration, not interfering with the unit's original design. Anyway, I mailed a bunch of listings.
It may be possible to fabricate your own Jones plugs by inserting spade connectors with crimped wires into slightly undersized holes drilled into a block of nylon or other plastic. Pressing them in with a soldering iron can help lock them into place. They can be really difficult to find these days.
@@stikee2003yep! But still it just ain't gunna have the right overall look and feel for something on a demo unit. Don't get me wrong love a 3D printer I use em a lot but sometimes they just don't cut the mustard
hey man, i know this will sound stupid, but i want to know how the flip-dot display actually works.. could you do a breakdown of the display itself? the mechanism amazes me and i cant quite understand how the small boxes flip so quickly and cleanly.. all mechanically at that
Looks like contacts/relays closest to the output dials are for reseting to zero between races, thats why they are on digits as 100s and 1000s that are not a part of a single bet. Thx, btw, great and interesting
Also there shoukd be some kind of feedback/ackowledgement back to ticketing devices that particular bet was summed up after been selected by multiplexer
Fair-Play here in the US made scoreboards for basketball and baseball which had incandescent indicators but were fully electromechanical. One very popular model- the BB-200 for basketball- was made up into the early 1980s and many are still in use today.
If I'd been born 100 years ago I might have made clocks instead of programming computers. If I had been born 1000 years ago I would have been a wizard. No actually I would have been a farm hand and then would have died in a war
aaah yes mike! i had been away last few days apologies if i hadnt replied. i thought i did but i must not have done....!! checking now! i dont know wether getting to maker central yet! for a few reasons :(. will find the email and reply!
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This is so cool! I remember, as a kid in the 90s thinking about how advanced we are, and how 'dumb' the tech of the past was...
But as an adult, I realise how much intelligence went into making these old school machines. They're seriously impressive!
Reply to your query - my father was the engineer at Perry Barr from about 1949 until the track closed. I worked with him for a while and ran the setup when he went on holiday, I also helped to instal a HiSpeed tote at a small track near Walsall then ran it for a few years. At that time Perry Barr raced on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday evenings while the HiSpeed tote ran on Monday, Wednesday and Friday evenings, it was a full week.
Do you have any images perchance? We have been trying to source photos of the board or anything. But not had much luck!
Should have mentioned the machinery involved - the Win & Place pool involved 50 flaps and 14 aggregators, the Forecast pool used 125 flaps and 31 aggregators, together with a motor generator set supplying the 50 volt DC needed you can imagine the noise level with all that lot going round.
yep that makes sense. in the previous vid i touch on the amount of aggregators required but didnt realise the mass of flaps! so i assume you have experience of perry barr? do you have more info and or pictures????
please never stop these videos! only content i still get excited to watch!
If anyone has any of those matching 18 pin male jones plugs plesase let us know! would be nice for all this project to match! :D
So close! I had a bunch of those that were part of a mass spectrum analyzer where all the different modules used them to connect together... but I threw it out a few months ago. I still have the power supplies but I just checked them and only one has one of those connectors. It's a 60 pin (roughly, I was counting in the dark) and female... This is why I try not to ever throw anything out. But you know... having a wife and all... I have to pick my battles.
I think I'm noticing a pattern with the naming convention... the part number is "318" which I think stands for 3 rows, 18 pins... so whatever you're looking for probably has "318" in its part number.
I'm 95% sure that what you seek is called "Cinch-Jones P-318-CCE" which is still being manufactured. Unfortunately it looks like the usual suspects list but do not stock these so there's a minimum order of 500pcs from the factory.
@@sootikins thanks very helpful
It seems like they are called Jones or Cinch-Jones plugs in America. They are called Plessey Painton connectors elsewhere. Although Plessey actually called them multicon plugs.
5:05 "The downside is, if the contacts aren't completely clean, it just keeps on spinning around"
I'm pretty sure that's actually by design, to make a failure obvious to anyone reading the board --- much better than a dirty contact causing the display to get stuck and show the wrong information!
I love when things are "surprisingly simple". That means "surprisingly clever".
Looks cool. Do you have an old mechanical horse racing machine that people could 'bet' on. Would make a fun combo.
Fantastic piece of electromechanical wizardry!
Love that stuff. They didn't have too many fancy circuits but they made it work.
Thanks for making me appreciate software that's "only" 99.999% reliable. I can't believe this actually works at all
The two rotary switches make up an AND gate or a selector and multiplexor, however you want to look at it. The relay controlling the motor is an inverter, or NOT gate. Clever bit of kit!
o it's beautiful! I love it! Thanks for showing us! heck yea!
that is as cool as penguin piss that its gonna look amazing when its all together well done
That white paint is almost certainly full of lead. I think you'd probably be good just brushing off the loose stuff and then hitting it with a clear coat to encapsulate it to prevent it from flaking off and getting into the air and what-not.
fair point
It would probably smart to test the paint once the preservation varnish coats have been done.
@@reggiep75 there's this phenomenon where, TESTING is actually bad from a legal standpoint. Once you test, you know. So often, legal liability makes it ill advised to actually do any real testing. You're better off from a liability perspective, to just assume it's lead (or radon or whatever) and treat it as such, but not actually test for it. Because once you have a positive test, the legal requirements for mitigation can become really complicated. If you just assume it's lead (because it probably is) and take care of it like it's lead, You've taken care of the problem without creating a court subpoenable legal record some random person in the future can use against you for a personal injury lawsuit. Even if they're not going to win, having documents like that out there makes it really easy for randos to just file frivolous lawsuits like that. It's annoying. I'm speaking from a US perspective, UK liability law might be different.
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Beauty! I'll ask around in the communities I'm in, maybe someone has a bunch of those Jones connectors. I'm also pretty sure new ones could be made by 3D printing, possibly using contacts from discombobulated Jones connectors of more common types.
Seeing as he's doing the wiring on either side of the plug, he could use any plugs really. Could use something more modern and easily available, like a d-sub 25
@@gorak9000you could but it's nice to have a standard
@@gorak9000also aesthetically as on front of demo unit. Jones cinch is the way to go cheers ! And also proper ones. All good they'll turn up cheers
@@gorak9000 I think it's more about antique electronics preservation/restoration, not interfering with the unit's original design. Anyway, I mailed a bunch of listings.
It may be possible to fabricate your own Jones plugs by inserting spade connectors with crimped wires into slightly undersized holes drilled into a block of nylon or other plastic.
Pressing them in with a soldering iron can help lock them into place. They can be really difficult to find these days.
Indeed! I have some without socket covers. But just looking for something that looks proper
3d print some covers ? Just a thought
@@stikee2003yep! But still it just ain't gunna have the right overall look and feel for something on a demo unit. Don't get me wrong love a 3D printer I use em a lot but sometimes they just don't cut the mustard
hey man, i know this will sound stupid, but i want to know how the flip-dot display actually works.. could you do a breakdown of the display itself? the mechanism amazes me and i cant quite understand how the small boxes flip so quickly and cleanly.. all mechanically at that
Really interesting mechanism.
Nice flaps
How many cans of Deoxit do you all go through in a day at the museum?
Looks like contacts/relays closest to the output dials are for reseting to zero between races, thats why they are on digits as 100s and 1000s that are not a part of a single bet.
Thx, btw, great and interesting
Also there shoukd be some kind of feedback/ackowledgement back to ticketing devices that particular bet was summed up after been selected by multiplexer
@@YuriyKrivosheyevhence the contacts on the relays below the julius differentiator
Interesting mechanism.
cool bit of kit man. its like a mechanical 7 segment display unit lol
Fair-Play here in the US made scoreboards for basketball and baseball which had incandescent indicators but were fully electromechanical. One very popular model- the BB-200 for basketball- was made up into the early 1980s and many are still in use today.
loving this content!
So... When are you planning on building Clacks?
you jammed the clax
If I'd been born 100 years ago I might have made clocks instead of programming computers. If I had been born 1000 years ago I would have been a wizard. No actually I would have been a farm hand and then would have died in a war
Hey Sam - emailed you re. motors for vibraphone (Museum Gmail) - did you receive ?
aaah yes mike! i had been away last few days apologies if i hadnt replied. i thought i did but i must not have done....!! checking now! i dont know wether getting to maker central yet! for a few reasons :(. will find the email and reply!
dirty contacts, bain of electromechanics life
While not exactly what you're looking for, Amphenol has 19 pin connectors for sale.
Look for Cinch Connectors instead of Jones.
soooooooo complicated for what could be done today with a $0.50 micro and a few transistors
Like a floor selector in an elevator (mrmattandmrchay)
Why don't you turn it into a massive calculator? Would be fun hahah
I mean it is?
@@LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER oh.... right 💀
Sorry I just came home from work and my brain was turned off hahah
Love the roughness of the panel. Please don’t paint it