Interesting interaction. Damages came from different sources: enemy team and Royal Presence self damage so DR is applied twice, not stacking so there's no diminishing returns.
Ok, gotta admit, unlike previous gimmicks with old veteran on Lilith and Yag, that only work under ideal circumstances,, this looks like a really strong synergy and a truly promising build.
I hope they don’t remove this effect, if the wanna nerf Nyx they should be looking for other options like have extra DMG in a card (why’d they do that, who knows) Edit: seeing her tankyness MAYBE it can be toned down but having it removed kinda ruins the fun
@@NexTDesigns it was just shown that there are Diminishing Returns. Maybe they can just modify it to make it “cap” at a certain point or they can modify it by making the returns harsher
@@mikehawk1856the diminishing returns are as normal. Here though, the DR applies twice, so 20% DR effectively gives 36% since 0.8x0.8=0.64. Diminishing returns in the traditional sense it’s known for will only apply if you get DR from other sources such as cards or IO as of now, so an adjustment to it wouldn’t do much unless something very specific to Nyx is done
How to nerf nyx 1. Reduce dmg from abilities 2. Reduce aoe 3. Decrease ult charge gain from poison 4. Reduce max HP These would be the soft changes to make without fucking her character
This also used to work with old haven. Also its currently bugged so if you buy both Arcane Warding and Armor Plating you get delt more dmg than if you just had one or the other EDIT: if you want to test these, the shooting range is way more convenient than custom games since theres cassie bots
I have been playing arcane warding since your item video; the only way to play her now. Sometimes rush this with (old haven) also; and the chronos...so many options, but def need the arcane warding. Noice!
9:26 how did you heal 4k health? Bit difficult to hear what you said, I’m wondering if you said “I have Rei ult” but I don’t see how that gives such massive healing
Rei's ultimate provides 75% of the target's maximum life as true healing - meaning it's unaffected by anti-healing. Nyx has a lot of health, which means Rei does a lot of healing!
they probably tone down this interaction... But definitely they should grant something like that to Yag, giant monstrosity should wield this kind of power while planted. edit: also, 14:41 phrasing!
was hoard 3 really worth it? i feel like you didnt need the 3 items maxed out, might have been just as effective/more effective to get veteran 2, chronos 3, arcane warding 2, and armor plating 2. would be interested in seeing a video talking about this and why you feel it's better to get hoard. your team averaged about 5k credits so we can pretend you ended the game with 5k credits chronos 3 would be 1800 vet 2 would be 825 armor plating 2 would be 825 arcane warding 2 would 750 which puts you at 4200 credits, you could still buy arcane warding 3 if you had another 750 credits before the end of the game. the math is a bit confusing but it seems veteran 2 and armor plating 2 would still give more effective health than armor plating 3 alone. not only that but veteran and arcane warding would work together to create more effective health too I'm just still on the fence about hoard being truly a viable item, it seems it doesn't provide enough value to me without a fifth item slot
Nyx has a passive where she receives increased healing the closer she is to the objective/payload, up to 20%. This will affect her even if she's near the point but not directly in the zone.
you shouldnt buy armour plating actually, as for some reason the coding makes both DR's count together so diminishing returns procs. Diminishing returns procs from the highest first so while you get the full boost of arcane warding ur armour plating is severly reduced and isnt worth buying
They removed haven and made 2 new items of the old haven, old haven had weapon and abilities reducing but they made weapon reducing a own new item and ability reducing a own new item
I still don't know why people don't stack AP and AW more often. It's been working just fine for me, plus it's cheaper than AP+Vet. Is there some diminishing returns I'm not seeing or smth like that?
Veteran helps with all sources of DMG for being a health buff, arcane warding only helps for abilitys ( not weapon attack based ones) but most consistently to ultimates, most of the damage Ultimates are not weapon based attack's
AP+Vet allows for more effective health vs characters that only deal dmg with weapon shots like evie, I personally believe most dmg comes from weapons and not abilities. some characters are a different story tho. Simply depends on the matchups you're up against
@@matheusmartinhogalvani1716 i know, I'm talking about *combining* Armor Plating (DR for weapons) with Arcane Warding (DR for abilities). So you get tons of damage reduction for both sources.
@@Whobertt don't think it is useful for most of the cast (I can only think of nyx royal presence,vs hurl dredge, Betty and if you are playing on ice mines viktor) even if a champion uses a lot of abilities most of the DMG comes from the main weapon, so is kinda a wasted slot, good thing tough that I don't think it is affected by diminishing returns since you are applying the dr to different sources of damage, not one like the old haven and dr cards relation
unrelated but i think they should buff zhin guillotine back to the original value of 120% max health damage, because now, no matter how he hard he shouts he can't kill anyone with his ult. it used to be shout to win or press E to win but now it's just shout to do absolutely nothing and die because the enemy team heard the shout and they focused you. it also definitely doesn't help that his ult can't apply cauterize so just one healing tick is enough to bail them out. there's way too much health and damage reduction in the game rn for zhin's ult to be this weak. im honestly using the ult for vertical movement at this point.
still..this is only her survive ability which they increased the cd before for 3 sec and if ur support is dead..she easily can be killed...nothing is broken here
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Interesting interaction. Damages came from different sources: enemy team and Royal Presence self damage so DR is applied twice, not stacking so there's no diminishing returns.
Ok, gotta admit, unlike previous gimmicks with old veteran on Lilith and Yag, that only work under ideal circumstances,, this looks like a really strong synergy and a truly promising build.
Andrew doesn't die; suffering from succses.
I hope they don’t remove this effect, if the wanna nerf Nyx they should be looking for other options like have extra DMG in a card (why’d they do that, who knows)
Edit: seeing her tankyness MAYBE it can be toned down but having it removed kinda ruins the fun
all it needs it some sort of diminishing returns
@@NexTDesigns it was just shown that there are Diminishing Returns. Maybe they can just modify it to make it “cap” at a certain point or they can modify it by making the returns harsher
Yeeeea i doubt they would go that far to perserve this interaction. Imo they will either remove it or nerf the ability in a different way
@@mikehawk1856the diminishing returns are as normal. Here though, the DR applies twice, so 20% DR effectively gives 36% since 0.8x0.8=0.64. Diminishing returns in the traditional sense it’s known for will only apply if you get DR from other sources such as cards or IO as of now, so an adjustment to it wouldn’t do much unless something very specific to Nyx is done
How to nerf nyx
1. Reduce dmg from abilities
2. Reduce aoe
3. Decrease ult charge gain from poison
4. Reduce max HP
These would be the soft changes to make without fucking her character
This also used to work with old haven.
Also its currently bugged so if you buy both Arcane Warding and Armor Plating you get delt more dmg than if you just had one or the other
EDIT: if you want to test these, the shooting range is way more convenient than custom games since theres cassie bots
as a nyx main, thank you for enlightening me, Andrew. i will now proceed to never die again :D
I have been playing arcane warding since your item video; the only way to play her now. Sometimes rush this with (old haven) also; and the chronos...so many options, but def need the arcane warding. Noice!
Imagine this with yag when they first released her so I’m talking about that insane 6500 health and all the dmg reduction she had
im surprised that the dr doesnt have more diminishing returns
It has Diminishing returns, Nyx just happens to apply the dr twice
The damage is from different sources, enemy team and royal presence self damage, so the dr is applied twice.
Never in my life have I seen a heal burst of 4k
every time I hear "double dips" it makes me remember warframe days lmao
this always been a thing with haven since nyx released but with the DR split it just makes it stronger
but having to buy only one item it wasn't better ?
@@fortesque9506 no because it was scale lower and more expensive
Unless they fix the lifesteal buck and pip can achieve this has a right to stay🤣
where's the outro? I haven't seen it in the last videos and it only plays in my head, that makes it weird
Does this still work?
God that’s so much resil. A good heal bot would do wonderful
How did Corv get into resp before the start of the match? 7:33
I had the same question
Teleporting at the last moment before the round ends will not send you back to spawn.
@@somedude96 so you can do it with evie tho right?
@@ALONE-pe4mf yes it's possible. even for talus
Does this work with koga dragon talent? Would you not take the 200 dps???
I’m thinking Yes
9:26 how did you heal 4k health?
Bit difficult to hear what you said, I’m wondering if you said “I have Rei ult” but I don’t see how that gives such massive healing
Rei ult is just uncauterized heal
Rei's ultimate provides 75% of the target's maximum life as true healing - meaning it's unaffected by anti-healing. Nyx has a lot of health, which means Rei does a lot of healing!
@@AndrewChicken I didn’t know that, thanks ❤️
they probably tone down this interaction... But definitely they should grant something like that to Yag, giant monstrosity should wield this kind of power while planted.
edit: also, 14:41 phrasing!
i hope they keep it, they already fucked over nyx by shafting her ability to stop drogoz
Me and my friend complain about this all the time, well said😭
wtf he cooks once more, i cant believe this isnt clickbait actually seems nuts fr.
was hoard 3 really worth it? i feel like you didnt need the 3 items maxed out, might have been just as effective/more effective to get veteran 2, chronos 3, arcane warding 2, and armor plating 2. would be interested in seeing a video talking about this and why you feel it's better to get hoard.
your team averaged about 5k credits so we can pretend you ended the game with 5k credits
chronos 3 would be 1800
vet 2 would be 825
armor plating 2 would be 825
arcane warding 2 would 750
which puts you at 4200 credits,
you could still buy arcane warding 3 if you had another 750 credits before the end of the game.
the math is a bit confusing but it seems veteran 2 and armor plating 2 would still give more effective health than armor plating 3 alone. not only that but veteran and arcane warding would work together to create more effective health too
I'm just still on the fence about hoard being truly a viable item, it seems it doesn't provide enough value to me without a fifth item slot
1. You can look how many dmg you get on paladins guru or something like that.
2. 17:30 idk about it, all tanks have this passive?
it's only nyx who as it, maybe yag with a specific talent. he even said "as nyx" when he said it
Nyx has a passive where she receives increased healing the closer she is to the objective/payload, up to 20%. This will affect her even if she's near the point but not directly in the zone.
you shouldnt buy armour plating actually, as for some reason the coding makes both DR's count together so diminishing returns procs. Diminishing returns procs from the highest first so while you get the full boost of arcane warding ur armour plating is severly reduced and isnt worth buying
This still valid or it changed?
if you had a flank to get their healers you would have stomped.
Im confused. Is this any different from haven last patch?
The DR is substantially higher but functionally I think it's the same.
No it is not, andrew is getting overwhelmed by numbers but it really isn't as broken as he says, it is strong but not broken just like last patch
They removed haven and made 2 new items of the old haven, old haven had weapon and abilities reducing but they made weapon reducing a own new item and ability reducing a own new item
I still don't know why people don't stack AP and AW more often. It's been working just fine for me, plus it's cheaper than AP+Vet. Is there some diminishing returns I'm not seeing or smth like that?
Veteran helps with all sources of DMG for being a health buff, arcane warding only helps for abilitys ( not weapon attack based ones) but most consistently to ultimates, most of the damage Ultimates are not weapon based attack's
AP+Vet allows for more effective health vs characters that only deal dmg with weapon shots like evie, I personally believe most dmg comes from weapons and not abilities. some characters are a different story tho. Simply depends on the matchups you're up against
@@matheusmartinhogalvani1716 i know, I'm talking about *combining* Armor Plating (DR for weapons) with Arcane Warding (DR for abilities). So you get tons of damage reduction for both sources.
@@Whobertt don't think it is useful for most of the cast (I can only think of nyx royal presence,vs hurl dredge, Betty and if you are playing on ice mines viktor) even if a champion uses a lot of abilities most of the DMG comes from the main weapon, so is kinda a wasted slot, good thing tough that I don't think it is affected by diminishing returns since you are applying the dr to different sources of damage, not one like the old haven and dr cards relation
Effective health is always more important in any game. Health over DR.
yag buff when?
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unrelated but i think they should buff zhin guillotine back to the original value of 120% max health damage, because now, no matter how he hard he shouts he can't kill anyone with his ult. it used to be shout to win or press E to win but now it's just shout to do absolutely nothing and die because the enemy team heard the shout and they focused you.
it also definitely doesn't help that his ult can't apply cauterize so just one healing tick is enough to bail them out.
there's way too much health and damage reduction in the game rn for zhin's ult to be this weak.
im honestly using the ult for vertical movement at this point.
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still..this is only her survive ability which they increased the cd before for 3 sec and if ur support is dead..she easily can be killed...nothing is broken here
its dead ... accept it
First? Hellyeah
Anyone know if this is still viable?
Does this still work?