Excellent video. Our education system in the UK is one of the few aspects of our society that hasn't evolved since the Victorian times. We still have desks in rows; we still have bells and boards; we still have children herded by age or ability; and we still have the educational experience compartmentalised by subject instead of approaching, say, a topic from a variety of different subject angles.
I can't say enough about how important self directed learning has helped me and I am 69 years old! However, I got to that place because I had the drive, the temperament, lots of time to play out my interests as a child and as an adult and probably other attributes you mentioned. This school year I was the primary academic coach for my 8 year old 3rd grade grandson in what is referred to as a blue ribbon school. He was in a remote situation and met by zoom with his teachers and peers daily so there was interaction, direct teaching and some application but definitely not enough play time with peers. This type of learning left us time for rich conversations about concepts the teachers would introduce but not fully explain. If remote learning ever became the absolute norm in our society, given the isolation and distancing we have experienced the past year, I would say a huge turn around in education would occur and self directed learning with huge involvement of family would need to happen to help children find their nitche today. More to say on this matter for sure.
Thank you SO much Dr. Gray. I have been searching for this kind of material ever since I came across John Holt. I will most likely be reading your books now.
I believe all aspects of diversity in education is crucial in "natural selection". If there were no options-- there'd be no choice/direction in how each, as an individual, excel. Thanks for sharing your video! :)
I enjoyed this brief explanation and largely agree with the idea. I was however curious how the "natural learning" in hunter gatherer societies as described, fell into gender defined roles, boys hunt girls forage, which in my experience speaks of culturally defined roles based on gender, as opposed to children finding their own roles, which seems to be counter to one of Peter's main point's. In my own experience where gender roles are less clearly defined by a culture, parenting and school, children of either gender have a greater tendency to try (metaphorically speaking), 'hunting or gathering' . I would be interested in people's thoughts on this.
did boys hunt and girls forage? better check that first; I'm not so sure if that's entirely accurate. And if it is, it was probably not because of gender, but because of physical attributes, and many girls would have been more physically able than many boys, and therefore may have gone hunting. This line of reasoning all seems a bit simplistic and binary either or. There were probably many complexities, differences in different locations, not to mention regional differences in the number of genders (there weren't always only two, as we assume in modern western cultures).
Personally, I believe gender roles are innate. Our bodies are designed for them, and I believe that we are the most happy when we assume the responsibilities that align with our roles and instincts. It doesn't seem to be going well for the individuals who act against their natural role. www.hrc.org/blog/new-study-reveals-shocking-rates-of-attempted-suicide-among-trans-adolescen I don't see why going against the way things have developed to produce happiness, population growth and human progresswould ever be a good idea, considering the wonderous harmony of nature. Sure, families can be messed up, but in my opinion, that happens only when God isn't in the picture.
Interesting point. What i think professor Gray means is that a child has a natural ability to recognize what it is he/she needs to learn to be succesful in a certain surrounding. If it is a surrounding where every person (m/f) is focused on computers, the child picks up on that. If the child is raised in a community where the females gather and the men hunt, children of both sexes will mirror the behavior seen most being done by adults (and children alike) of that specific sex. Next the point could be made (though I'm not familair with research in that field) that societies that divide tasks as stated above (men hunt/women tend to the home) are more succesful from an evolutionary viewpoint and have by and large 'survived', whereas societies with other gender-role did not (or not so much).
@@meneervandemortel5254 Interesting, your evolutionary survival answer, I wonder if there is good evidence for this. In the modern day where gender roles can largely be swapped back and forth and gender mixed groups can and do survive. There doesn't seem to be enough evidence to say if this happened or not. Much of history has been constructed, through a white male, religious lens
@@ethandenton3393 That article literally explains how they are often victims of bullying and family rejection which can lead to suicide. So the problem here isn't with the trans teens themselves but with the wider society that doesn't accept them. I'm sure if the society were more accepting there would be less rates of suicide. Ps. and God..........well He accepts all of his creatures right? Or is your god not all loving?
Growing up in this very sick society it's very easy to assume that humans are naturally manipulative, therefore naturally abuse power. It's simply NOT TRUE! People abuse power because their power was abused. Peter is trying to eliminate the cause of exactly these kinds of problems by giving children the very healthy power that we evolved with for 99.98% of our existence - we're hardwired to be this way!
Excellent video. Our education system in the UK is one of the few aspects of our society that hasn't evolved since the Victorian times. We still have desks in rows; we still have bells and boards; we still have children herded by age or ability; and we still have the educational experience compartmentalised by subject instead of approaching, say, a topic from a variety of different subject angles.
I can't say enough about how important self directed learning has helped me and I am 69 years old! However, I got to that place because I had the drive, the temperament, lots of time to play out my interests as a child and as an adult and probably other attributes you mentioned. This school year I was the primary academic coach for my 8 year old 3rd grade grandson in what is referred to as a blue ribbon school. He was in a remote situation and met by zoom with his teachers and peers daily so there was interaction, direct teaching and some application but definitely not enough play time with peers. This type of learning left us time for rich conversations about concepts the teachers would introduce but not fully explain. If remote learning ever became the absolute norm in our society, given the isolation and distancing we have experienced the past year, I would say a huge turn around in education would occur and self directed learning with huge involvement of family would need to happen to help children find their nitche today. More to say on this matter for sure.
Excellent!!! Wonderful!!!
Im just glad to be here...
Thank you SO much Dr. Gray. I have been searching for this kind of material ever since I came across John Holt. I will most likely be reading your books now.
Amazing how God has created and designed children to learn.
you'd made it very clear! thank you so much...you are a genius.
Thank You so much! Great video!
I believe all aspects of diversity in education is crucial in "natural selection". If there were no options-- there'd be no choice/direction in how each, as an individual, excel. Thanks for sharing your video! :)
Excellent, thank you 🙏 Reminded me of Maria Montessori, Rudolf Steiner, Waldorf and Self-Directed schools.
Excellent video! Thank you so much for creating & sharing this!
I enjoyed this brief explanation and largely agree with the idea. I was however curious how the "natural learning" in hunter gatherer societies as described, fell into gender defined roles, boys hunt girls forage, which in my experience speaks of culturally defined roles based on gender, as opposed to children finding their own roles, which seems to be counter to one of Peter's main point's. In my own experience where gender roles are less clearly defined by a culture, parenting and school, children of either gender have a greater tendency to try (metaphorically speaking), 'hunting or gathering' . I would be interested in people's thoughts on this.
did boys hunt and girls forage? better check that first; I'm not so sure if that's entirely accurate. And if it is, it was probably not because of gender, but because of physical attributes, and many girls would have been more physically able than many boys, and therefore may have gone hunting. This line of reasoning all seems a bit simplistic and binary either or. There were probably many complexities, differences in different locations, not to mention regional differences in the number of genders (there weren't always only two, as we assume in modern western cultures).
Personally, I believe gender roles are innate. Our bodies are designed for them, and I believe that we are the most happy when we assume the responsibilities that align with our roles and instincts. It doesn't seem to be going well for the individuals who act against their natural role.
www.hrc.org/blog/new-study-reveals-shocking-rates-of-attempted-suicide-among-trans-adolescen
I don't see why going against the way things have developed to produce happiness, population growth and human progresswould ever be a good idea, considering the wonderous harmony of nature. Sure, families can be messed up, but in my opinion, that happens only when God isn't in the picture.
Interesting point. What i think professor Gray means is that a child has a natural ability to recognize what it is he/she needs to learn to be succesful in a certain surrounding. If it is a surrounding where every person (m/f) is focused on computers, the child picks up on that. If the child is raised in a community where the females gather and the men hunt, children of both sexes will mirror the behavior seen most being done by adults (and children alike) of that specific sex. Next the point could be made (though I'm not familair with research in that field) that societies that divide tasks as stated above (men hunt/women tend to the home) are more succesful from an evolutionary viewpoint and have by and large 'survived', whereas societies with other gender-role did not (or not so much).
@@meneervandemortel5254 Interesting, your evolutionary survival answer, I wonder if there is good evidence for this.
In the modern day where gender roles can largely be swapped back and forth and gender mixed groups can and do survive. There doesn't seem to be enough evidence to say if this happened or not. Much of history has been constructed, through a white male, religious lens
@@ethandenton3393 That article literally explains how they are often victims of bullying and family rejection which can lead to suicide. So the problem here isn't with the trans teens themselves but with the wider society that doesn't accept them. I'm sure if the society were more accepting there would be less rates of suicide.
Ps. and God..........well He accepts all of his creatures right? Or is your god not all loving?
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Older kids help younger kids learn but this also opens up manipulation and vulnerability
wouldn't they also develop behavior to cope with it. if you are protecting them from manipulative people, how long can you do it?
Sure...but that can happen with adults teaching children as well. And does.
Growing up in this very sick society it's very easy to assume that humans are naturally manipulative, therefore naturally abuse power. It's simply NOT TRUE!
People abuse power because their power was abused. Peter is trying to eliminate the cause of exactly these kinds of problems by giving children the very healthy power that we evolved with for 99.98% of our existence - we're hardwired to be this way!