On Nordschleife TF as PASSENGER! in a Honda Type R crashed with other two cars, who was at fault?
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Me the camera man who was sitting in the EP3 as a passenger just exprienced my first crash on the Nordschleife, I would have been seriously injurded even died if the GTI CS didn't make it to brake as hard as possible, so first at all I must give my very Danke Schön to the GTI driver for his great efforts saved my ass.
Somehow almost nobody read the description, here is it again: To those comments ask me to put my ego away, I, the camera man also the passenger, had no control of the honda...maybe you are right, my ego was sitting on the passenger seat😅Still feel lucky that no one got injured(besides cars), peace😀
😂 you was using the dual controls yes? 😂
Pretty low speed crash for a high speed circuit could of been worse but cars can be fixed replaced good thing is all people are good 👌👍
@@scoobysean555 yes, like this ruclips.net/video/Elixf6o0KsI/видео.html 😉
@@ldcj782 bro 😂😂😂 that's class 👏👏👏😍
Nah this ain't ego. I was sent my friend upside down in a go kart because he got in my way on the track. Idk, but it's like i drive through them if I'm trying to win a time attack. Like bro this ain't no sunday cruise, we racing, why tf you on half throttle on the fastest section of the track AND on the apex? Move over to the side bro, or I'm moving through you. It's not ego, it's a time attack.
@@monjier Am I wrong in saying this is not time attack but Touristenfahrten? In this case it is 100% wrong to drive "through" anyone. I might be wrong, description doesn't say
Driving on the Nürburgring is like driving on the autobahn, even though you are very fast you still have to watch slower drivers and understand that they might move directly in front of you.
bro but still that moron in Fiesta was driving in the middle road, much under 100 km/h at that section, thats idiotic, he did not let any space neither left or right
@@Birdhouseboi810 ok pro :D
Out the fkn way
Thats a huge fine! Should have just bumped him and take the chance he will stay straight. That could have been a pile up. I know its usually your fault if you hit from behind. But that was the fiestas fault
@@Birdhouseboi810 not really... That's a very childish response from you but you have "racing" in your tag so I guess you're an expert
Fiesta didnt even check the mirrors. That section is fast. Would have been fine if Fiesta checked his mirrors.
Not his fault. It's your responsibility to make safe pass.
@@RK-sn2hp and its also the Fiestas responsibility to be aware of your surroundings
Maybe the fiesta was on Track the very first time 🤷🏻♂️ i would say the honda made the Crash
Definitely Hondas fault he could see he was quickly catching up, also knew there was a corner ahead plus had plenty of time to slow down. yet Mr big ego thought he could sling shot past everyone... end of the day the fiesta was infront to start so theres no excuse other than poor judgment from the civic driver
@@stoll1st4 so he should check his mirrors and stay on the right
This is why I was passenger in a ring taxi M5 ! There were moments when there were slower cars but our driver was 100% safe and could read the road from way back. He was smooth on approach and was expecting the unexpected
The Fiesta man didn't check his mirrors or his position and yous came barrelling down on him - Your driver did his best to make good and minimalised the damage but it didn't have to be like that - Great going up to that 😉
You are absolutly right, as the police said, it was a 50 50 guilty accident, both the driver of Fiesta and Honda has done the wrong thing: For Honda driver, no matter how fast your car can be driven, passing safely is the most important thing on the TF, he must wait for the "let you through" signal from front then pass the car; For Fiesta, he is allowed to drive at that speed for sure , but staying on the right is also necessary, he must be aware that he is on a track and there will 100% always be cars way faster than him approaching
no. this is the Honda driver's mistake. there was a lot of time for braking, but he fancied himself Ayrton Senna, and that he would be able to overtake in a narrow turn
Yeah he saw white car passing he thought hes gona do that but fiesta went early left to get better turn. Type R Idlota was slamming on gas. By the video Type R ldlota didnt have proper distance from fiesta.
@@carsismyaddiction6919 the experts, who investigated the accident would say otherwise. But yes, your RUclips experience is way better…..🤷🏽♂️
@@Jimmythefish577 The "experts" that said "he's on a track". Its not a track, its a toll road with other drivers, so you should drive with due care, not chasing lap times. See him getting angry earlier in video, the accident started when he left the barriers.
Touristenfahrten are for everyone, newbs and pros... so he took the risk for driving a fast lap! there could be a slow car behind every corner. Be careful out there. peace
And Autobahn is for everyone and no one drives on the left at 30km/h... Fiesta didnt care what was going on arround him
@@simracingonboard9779 bad comparison, you should always expect someone changing lanes when you´re speeding. 30 km/h is below the minimum speed also and you´re not driving max speed in a traffic jam ;)
@@simracingonboard9779 fiesta never once went on the left side of the track. Dead centre with no indicator on for the right. In fact looking back The clip again there is a good 3 solid seconds where the civic would have been hidden behind the car overtaking the fiesta. Imho, it’s tourist day and it’s overwhelming the civics fault here.
The civic clearly saw the traffic ahead of him and made poor judgment on trying to pass at that corner.
Totally agree. A rookie error made in the name of getting RUclips content.
100% correct
Ample time to brake way earlier but made a wrong decision.
The Fiesta did steer to the left just before the Civic-guy made the descision to pass him...Both Civic and Fiesta are at fault here I think. But this is just a 'racing' incident or bad f@$%ing luck.
I think the fiesta should have been staying right
No actually left since the people who overshoot that corner is gonna come right so if someone would they would have no control and crash into the fiesta
@@GABBO01 overtaking on the right is illegal on the Nürburgring. German road and safety laws still apply. It's a private road abiding by german rules.
@@thegiantgaming7592 oh yeh I forgot that
@@GABBO01 👏😂
@@GABBO01 but it would have made the safer option for the fiesta to just let traffic pass on the left
Although it's down to the passing car to pass safely I can't help but be aggravated by that fiesta
Dude is just driving at a leisurely pace down the middle of the road in a fast section, the entire accident could have been avoided if he'd stayed to one side of the road rather than driving 2 mph in the middle of the road on a racing track
Mr. Takahashi, are u still running the project D?😆
@@ldcj782 no sadly, I still attend races but spectate now
That's the problem, when the north loop is open to the public is not a "race track", is just a toll road with no speed limit and no min speed... You have to take care of yourself and mind the other drivers.
@@Javier-yd5qf that's true but you wouldn't drive 30 mph in the middle of an autobahn would you?
No it woulda been avoided if he just left that car at home in the first place
At least he was able to use his one time Forza rewind pass at 0:19
Yeah, but he ended up making the same mistake!
@@64Papiculo done that many times😂
@@64Papiculo I’ve done that so many times 😂 Just time to restart at that point, which he also failed to do.
It is clear the fiesta didnt check the mirrors..
But since u were approacving from behind at weird moment/between corners transition,
It is safer to wait next straight for overtaking...
Just like on public road...
Cheers... Its shame to crash like this...but atleast everyone is safe
At the same time, after the crash, mans sat there like he needed to get the other guy's insurance. Bro you gotta get off that track asap man, if they were racing like him, there would have been more cars to crash.
@@monjier probably to get more clear view of oncoming cars before turning across and risking another big crash
@@monjier that's not what happened, he just waited for the right time to leave. You can't just turn around randomly, you have to wait till there are no cars coming close
@@monjier get off the track asap and go where? He was literally squeezed between a car and the barrier. He did the best thing he could and stayed still until it was clear to move.
@@TomoHawKzZ bruh, did you not see everyone move and then he sat there feeling all sorry for himself like a weak puppy...and he literally sat there doing nothing. Then when he finally decides to move he does the slowest 3 point turn on the track and takes up half the road in the process. Like he's literally asking fate to give him a 2nd crash. If there were someone exactly like him coming around the turn, he would literally be toast.
it is undeniable that the fiesta should not have been there if it went so slowly ... but if I can give some advice during the TF always keep on the safe side ... at a certain point you see two cars slower than you .... you had to slow down already because it is clear that they are slow and inexperienced and you cannot know what they will do..
this.
hay pilotos lentos e inexpertos....muchos en la pista ...por eso son días de turista o vueltas de turista...también veo a el como piloto inexperto.
un piloto experto sale a pista el y su copiloto con mono de carreras para eso entras a hacer tiempos o vueltas rápidas...si sales a una pista no eres tú solo , es a quién te encuentras delante y detrás .
las normas tendrían que ser además de casco obligatorio...equipación completa tanto para ti como para los ocupantes..de compra propia o de alquiler..todo más seguro ....no crees??
before even seeing the whole clip yes he was at fault. He had more than ample time to avoid the situation and saw that the vehicle was moving significantly slower than him. Never assume that drivers will do what you w a n t them to do. Always anticipate them doing exactly what you DONT want them to do and if they dont- its a nice surprise.
this is the American mentality lol you should expect that drivers will be aware of their surroundings. especially on a track
@@okturbo7770 No it’s not an American mentality it’s called defensive driving and is used by most track day drivers around the world.
The Nurburgring is a public road where most people are clueless about how to drive on a circuit and assuming these drivers don’t have track insurance they’ll come away with repair bills of many thousands of dollars and possibly a serious injury - in short by driving safely your ego will heal more quickly than a ruptured spleen if you don’t.
If you’ve ever done a track day you will know the Marshalls will come down hard on anyone trying to race or overtake without a clear and safe opportunity to do so.
That said, both drivers were at fault here. The slow car for not moving to the right and the faster Honda for overtaking without a clear opportunity to do so safely.
@@sultanoftippoo3857 talking abt safe driving, the black fiesta is endangering other driver by his driving style, its just a matter of when. U see fiesta was already on the right, the white car passed him, and the camcar catch up to the fiesta. That's all happening on the straight line before fiesta decided to move to the middle of the road when camcar is already right behind him. If fiesta is an amateur and slow he should not be weaving around and aware of his surrounding. Even normal road require surrounding awareness.
@@amirulshah8584 100% agree with you. The Fiesta was driving slowly, moved to the centre of the track when he should have been on the right and he was an amateur at driving on a circuit BUT the Nurburgring is a public road full of idiots like that.
The Honda was driving like he was in a race where he assumed everyone else was a professional racing driver and had the skills to see him approaching very quickly. If he didn’t crash into this unobservant driver he was bound to meet another one further along the track. What’s the point of saying “it’s the other guys fault” if your car is destroyed and you and your friend are in hospital with serious injuries?
In some situations, collisions happen because one person is innocent and one is guilty but sometimes both parties are at fault and this was an example of exactly that.
Amen!
Being on the Nurburgring is not just about achieving fast lap, but to survive. This is part of the challenge.
Time attack is forbidden at Touristenfahrten on the Nordschleife
on a public track day the "track" is just a one way road with no speed limit.
so you have to drive like on a public road an respect others.
the civic idiot did not do that
Not really
You're wrong. That mindset is precisely the reason why these accidents happen. The Nurburgring a one-way public road with a toll booth. Time attack is forbidden and surviving a lap is not a feat. Unless you have poor judgment, don't know the limits of your vehicle, and aren't being mindful of the other drivers, the Nurburgring is a completely safe environment.
For the driver : you're driving skill is good, but it's open to public.... Do not brake close to each other, when you know there is cars in front of you, just reduce your speed... Be slow.... Once goes to straight line, gas again, overtake it
Driver of the type r is 100% fault. He didn’t judge the ahead cars speed correctly. Also you’re dealing with people who may not race all the time. It’s you’re responsibility to make a safe pass when they allow it.
I agree to a certain extent but during Touristenfahrten the German road regulations apply. The driver in the Fiesta was absolutely at fault for moving to the left even though someone was coming to overtake. This is clearly a 50/50 situation where both the EP3 and the Fiesta driver are at fault.
@@dunklespelipper the car making the pass has to do so safely.
The fiesta had already chosen his line. He didn’t judge the speed difference properly.
@@dunklespelipper german road rules apply there. There was only one lane, so the fiesta have the right of way over anyone wanting to pass, not to mention, they didnt do any sudden movement either.
Also, rules clearly stated that any passing vehicle must overtake safely. Meanwhile while rules do say that you should stay right to let faster vehicles pass when it is safe to do so, the key point is that they dont need to do so immediately. It’s only when it’s safe to do so. C
@@dunklespelipper ure wrong, theres not 2 lanes, theres only one cunt0
ULTRA SUPER LATE BRAKING!!
Yeah I feel that this is the drivers fault. It's like seeing a stone wall and braking only 50 feet away from it
Who was in the wrong? The driver of the Civic. He underestimated the difference in speed. If you drive that fast, you have more responsibility to avoid an accident than the slower cars. Same goes for the VW that hit you. He was wrong too. He was not driving defensively and could not steer out of trouble because he went too fast. I also agree that the Fiesta should have used his mirrors, but you were so fast that if he did not watch his mirrors for two seconds, you were already there.
Exactly and the Honda driver was driving like he was doing a hot lap and not leaving enough in the bag in case a situation arised as it did.
There will never be a modification will will allow a fwd car to perform the way a 'track driver" desires. The video game simulators have tried and do still show the actual limits of the physics of its weight management restrictions etc. I'm happy Noone hurt and the driver seemed to do his best although he will forget fwd limitations at times as all drivers can be "zoned". Best wishes to you guys!!
this, is exactly why now I have no shame when high beaming other drivers when approaching fast.
Seriously though. The ones driving slow have no awareness.
Driver of camera-car is fault. Despite the black Fiesta should ideally be more on the right, you're fully responsible for your own actions. Hitting the car in front of you (in this case barely evaded) is always 100% your own fault no matter how stupid the person in front of you is. That's default traffic rules, applied to the Touristenfarhten. Fast laps can be fun but responsibility is way more important. Never do timed laps during Touristenfahrten anyway (it's officially prohibited to do that), and drive only as fast as traffic and weather allows. Don't let your ego ruin the day! Personally I know how frustrating it can be when you can't pass somebody but it's never worth driving like you're alone and own the track. This accident could've been much worse, all players seem to be very lucky in that extremely fast section.
I'd say it was the Honda because he is obviously familiar with the track, he can see the group forming ahead and when passing slower cars you want them to hold their line, which the black car did. Honda was just going too fast, should've been more patient since there was a wide left coming up after the next 3 turns.
Yes the Fiesta didn't keep ultra right, but you should make sure that he had seen you and blinked right before you overtake him.
For those of you who race whether time attack, or road racing, what’s more important, paying attention what’s out front or checking your mirrors every 5 seconds, cause someone I know who does time attack was telling me you really don’t even check your mirrors all to often. Is that true
That’s bullshit I don’t race track, but I’m always aware of people around me regardless, there’s no excuse the guy in the fiesta is prob one of them guys that hog two lanes to stop people merging in turn 😅🙄🙄🙄
You don't need to check your mirrors as if you are stuck in freeway traffic but you need to check them when a faster class car is coming up on you and give them the point by.
@@christopherelliott4953 right on, so as the civic driver, you would have noticed the car you’re approaching quickly is going slowly and you’re not sure what line he’ll take. The civic driver was point fixated and continued his line regardless of not knowing what the fiesta would do. The civic could have passed him right after the turns on the straight section right after the s bend.
@@oddwayne TF is slow "sunday" drive, not timeattack shit.
You don't check mirrors in time attack because you're the only car on the track. For road racing you have a constant eye on the mirrors. Maybe less in a very fast car, more in a slow car.
This video is a great example of track etiquette and FWD dynamics!
I would have went in slower with the Honda as soon as I saw that Fiesta - most street cars tend to get light when coming over a hill (depending on suspension setup/aero) and FWD cars love to lift-off oversteer when that happens - he could have slowed down sufficiently on the small uphill and made sure the car was stable in case of any surprises, not just a Fiesta
With that said the Fiesta is still the main cause for this accident, not checking his mirrors or simply misjudging the speed of the Honda in his rear view, while maybe not being completely aware of the position and size of his own car - rather than calling him stupid, I think he learned a lesson that day as well
It’s easy to act holy in the comments section but with that said, with a passenger on the side I would drive way more conservatively, taking into consideration the extra weight/weight balance and the extra life in my hands - rather have a “bored” passenger than a lap in an ambulance 😢
And let’s not forget ruining your car and maybe even your experience and memories from the ring..
Glad the Golf driver (or maybe the car itself) braked sooner than later and you came out shook rather than in pieces!
Thanks for the upload!
Good video to watch before lapping the Nurbürgring as well as taking a drive on any other public road 👍
I have driven the Nordschleife using exactly that Fiesta (the very same car) and I made a video about it (I spoke Arabic so unfortunately you won't understand).
I have observations about the car and warnings about the track but it would be a very long reply. Instead, I will focus on the video here and your comment.
In races (I know this isn't), I can always argue to make myself in the right. And even if you switch me to the other car, I can present an argument to make myself in the right, only using what's written in the rules.
Let me be the Ford driver:
1- It's MY turn, since I started the turn without any other car alongside.
2- It is the responsibility of the car overtaking to complete a safe maneuver.
3- The car behind should've kept safety distance (applies here in public road).
4- and more...etc
Let me be in the Honda:
1- It's against the rules for the other car to brake check me (This includes changing into my line while being much slower than the flow).
2- The other car should be predictable and communicate with others to show its intent (yes, a loose sentence but it's in the rules for driving on public roads).
3- The other car shouldn't drive much slower than the recommended speed to avoid being hit from behind (again it's ambiguous but also this is in the rules).
4- The other car SHOULD NOT FORCE MY CAR OFF_TRACK (applies in racing as you know, could be penalized for that).
Now some general advice about those turns:
It felt to me that Foxrör is epic and so fast that it's impossible to share it with another car (but I saw people going slow and allowing others to overtake there). You're going to respect gravity and high g-forces after driving there. This experience is from what I remember driving that Fiesta in real life.
Also the turns where the incident happened (before Adenau Forst, I forgot the name), are epic, on the limit, with zero margin for errors and so committed like the moment of coming where you nobody can stop himself (sorry but this is the best description). You brake in a straight line then let go smoothly, turn then brake again in a straight line. Good to mention that this experience comes from the sim as I don't remember what happened in real life here.
I'm not saying I am a perfect person, but in terms of driving, I avoid collisions if physics allows it even if the margin was 1 cm. Honestly, my instinct says if it was me in that situation I would crash into the car ahead in an angle that allows my car to be very stable instead of spinning into the wall or the unknown.
Finally I should say that the Civic driver was absolutely skilled and fast. 220 km/h in those turns it feels like the speedometer is lying. How can be same as fast as the FASTEST production FWD in the world driven by a PROFESSIONAL (newer Type R than this).
ruclips.net/video/4YSjItQneNM/видео.html
hope the driver's learned something that day, it's a public track
on another note, love the car setup
Easy/legaly correct asnwer is : the car behind is at fault, so the honda. A racer's answer would be the fiesta. But I have driven some touristenfahrten and the 'realistic' answer is probably: nobody. Touristenfahrten is not a race and most guys here are with old tires, no skill, have never driven the Norfschleife, have just got a driving licence or all of the above, so... shit happens. Every time you do TF you should expect such clumsy situations. Great thing is nobody got hurt. Props to the honda´s and golf´s drivers- both did the best to minimise the damage. Schwedenkreuz and Fuchsröhre are for me always a bit scary, cuz at speed I always have the felling the inertia of the car is a bit too much if something would happen. Thanks for uploading! There is something to be learned from this clip!
100% your own fault. Way too much speed coming onto two cars running parallel, and the car in front doesn't owe you the racing line. You should have braked more, let him move out of the way, then overtake. Please keep yourself and your ego away from the track.
I'm the passanger who would have been killed in this accident if the GTI didn't brake enough...... I couldn't do anything without a brake pedal in my side....... If I drove the car, I would have already slow down at the bottom of the Fuchsröhre, when I saw the slow Fiesta before me.
@@ldcj782 what I meant was, out of the available drivers, your driver was 100% at fault.
Although I %100 agree with you about it being the Civic drivers fault, the "Please keep yourself and your ego away from the track" is completely uncalled for. People have accidents at racetracks, and it will always happen. The driver of the Civic was going for it, and was deep in the zone to try and get a quick time. He read the road wrongly, and it was his own fault. But I don't see any Ego issues in this example. Also to Civic owner, your boy should do the descent thing and atleast help contribute to any repairs... He really wasn't driving that carefully.
@@LeeJMcRae "The driver of the Civic was going for it, and was deep in the zone to try and get a quick time." - even in competitive racing he would be at fault, but on Touristenfahrten which is EXPLICITLY NOT a race (and timing laps is technically prohibited) and is a public road with amateurs and tourists, that level of aggressive driving should be kept away. This was a completely preventable accident - it was not a matter of losing control of the car, or running into fluids on track, or anything which is a real accident which can happen to anyone. This was purely over-aggressive driving at an event not designed for it.
@@gorankrajnovic For sure! I agree with everything you said! I'm familiar with Touristenfahrten too. Around most accidents on that track are avoidable though and the majority are simply people just carrying too much speed, or lack of track knowledge, or both. Not condoning this or providing a excuse for him, I'm just saying 'It will happen'. I think this guy was simply too excited, and doesn't have enough experience to do what he is doing (Not trying to be offensive, but this really was a amateur-level driving mistake). But your reply just mainly covered what I was initially saying.
Everyone were wrong on this clip, why? let me explain:
·Ford driver with slow car/skills are driving in the center of the road with no reason...
·Civic driver noticed very late that Ford driver is useless as f... and his faith send to him a fantasy that keep going fast will result "the overtake of the year in nurbur" or something like that hahahahaha. Civic driver should brake more and before he has done.
·White Volkswagen driver should brake as soon as Civic driver start to control his car. VW driver was another guy with a fantasy faith in "keep gas because god guard me" or something like that. He think if keep gas he'll avoid the civic cause miracles happen hahaha.
·Notice how other drivers near white volkswagen didn't crash, why? simply: they start brake as soon they seen the civic loosing control.
The driver was obviously driving like it was a race and was trying to set a PB, he should have slowed down, if you want to drive flat out with no traffic hire the track out, if you can’t afford that don’t drive like your in a time trial event!
When you think you are a F1 pilot ,but you're not
I mean, you could see that slow-ass driver barelly moving soon enough.
Unfortunate you caught him at the most critical part exiting fuchsroehre, though it should have been easy to see with the passing maneuver ahead. Driver at pace beyond his talent not recognizing the situation he was approaching
Your driver's emotion cause it all
lets be glad the mclaren was ok
Sir, your comment is the most constructive among all comments in this video😉
Jeez, this man speaks my heart 🎉
Why the Mclaren over everyone else?
Everyone that saying that it's the Fiestas fault, look what's going on in front of it. The Honda driver was doing the same thing as all of you and only looking at the rear of the Fiesta and not what was in front of it. This the outcome. To be honest the Honda driver was over driving and had no respect for others on the Nurbergring.
Exactly. I'd even go as far as to say that the people siding with the Honda driver are only doing it because of the car he's driving.
When he approached the Seat he not only waited for the straightaway to make the pass but he also used his indicator to show he intended to pass AND he had already lifted from the gas early before catching up.
When approaching the Fiesta, on a more dangerous part of the track (on an "S") he went full on until he was on the Fiesta's bumper, didn't signal his approach and he still hoped to pass? How? What trajectory was he aiming for, with a slower car in front of him mid-corner?
Luckily no one got hurt and that's the most important thing but the Honda driver should clearly take away from this accident that he needs to work on his track discipline.
@@VirtuaDesign absolutely. I think he thought he was doing the 24hour race.
Love this video. Yes. Driving here on this track is not unlike the autobahn. The trouble with this type of track day is all the other traffic out there. That is just the way it is. That little Honda. Wow. Screaming and singing so nicely. The revs and the gear changes hmmmm........I would love to be a passenger with a really skilled professional driver. That would be the best day ever ! More videos like this please.
Problem is, it looks like the 'tourist day' not a track day. You have to expect slow traffic and drivers ahead to take the wrong line sometimes.
the Ring Speed sticker on the fiesta 🤣🤣😂😂 Fast and Fiesta with Vin Lemonade 😅😅
Hit second and stay on your left. Easy save
Sometimes brakes alone can’t stop a car at certain speeds
Don't forget. The Nurburgring is a public toll road where traffic rules apply. ANYBODY with a car with number plates/insurance and a drivers license can drive there. The 17 year old leaner as the 99 year old granny. Always keep that in mind.
Many driving the ring know the gentlemen's agreements but by far not everybody.
Amazing drivingskills !! Huge respect to the driver !! 💪💪🔥🔥
lol
Are you deluded ? He seen the danger and didn’t brake until far too late 😂 heavy braking mid corner lost the back end
@@Mr330d 🤣🤣🤣
He's a terrible driver, just look at him being the white seat Ibiza
Yeah, flashing his headlights and swearing all along because v-tech isn't kicking in and he barely overtakes other traffic that doesn't even try
Honda Drive and the white VW drivers are both at fault. It's the behind drivers job to maintain safe distances (VWs failure) and to pass in a safe manner (Hondas failure). The Ring is an open public road, not a race track (unless closed specifically for a race) and drivers should be following appropriate driving rules.
Sorry to say, but that was complete your own fould, this is not a racetrack, this is a public tollroad. You had to slow down way more instead of staying on throttle. There is nobody giving you a trophy or pricemoney for being the fastest during TF. If you want to go full out, then book a trackday instead of Toeristenfart. Then there are no Vans, bikes or other slow cars on track. I am glad no one got hurt 🙏 cheers
Serve you guys right. You must give right of way to any vehicles in front of you.
Would have been nice to see the damage..after that 3odd minutes.
As the Nürburgring is basically an Autobahn with lanes in only one direction, the rules of the Autobahn apply, including "Schroedingers Speed Limit". It is legal and illegal at the same time to drive faster than 130 km/h. Therefore all three are at fault. The Fiesta driver for not staying in the right lane while faster traffic was approaching. The Honda and Golf drivers for exceeding 130 km/h. Yes, you got that right. Autobahn rules say, that if you are faster than 130 and an accident happens, you are at fault unless you can prove that the outcome(!!!) of the accident had been the same at 130. Considering your friend was doing between 200 and 220 on the approach to this curve, it is safe to say, that at 130 he would have been able to stay behind the Fiesta and not had to sway onto the grass. Therefore he would not have spinned back into the lane and the Golf had not hit. I can only assume the Golf had similar speeds on the approach to the curve, so the same applies here. Considering the impact of the different factors on the overall outcome of the accident I'd not be surprised if your friend would bear the main fault and the Fiesta driver the least. But I' neither a judge or lawyer nor an official expert in traffic accidents, so this is just qualified guessing.
well it looks like more the drivers fault because he was too fast, although the fiesta has a smaller share as well imo. His skills are very good , but being too fast and in a hurry around super slow drivers is too much of a risk. Having said that i would have propably done the same if i were him and this is why i would never go around the ring in any car regardless of my skills. Still think its way too dangerous. (edited : changed it to the correct reference, apparently i dont know how to read english...my apologies)
Luckily nobody was hurt. Like commenters wrote before car got parts that can be replaced. Grüße aus Mönchengladbach.
Jawohl sehr richtig! Grüße aus Lautern
at the Nürburgring if someone doesn't make room, you can't pull past with a crowbar
But you can throw it once along side them!
Road Rash 2.0: Nürburgring
@@ldcj782 🤣🤣
that was a lot less unpleasant than expected, more of a gentle boop
if your going to go slow at a race track your at the wrong place....
Not at a touristenfahren, on a trackday yes
The Nurburgring counts as a public road for days like this
Your fast is still someone else's slow
This honda is very slow compared to an AMG.
Yes the Fiesta driver was crazy slow, but TypeR at fault. Should have looked further ahead, the car before had the same issue yet managed to avoid them.
I never did understand why RUclips stop showing crashes at the ring, I Know some people to not want to see them which is understandable, anyone who has raced, or done track days knows it is part of the sport, it's a good thing to learn from and understand what not to do at a race track.
I think only the people who need media permission on the ring are not allowed to show crash videos.
@@ldcj782 yes RUclips creators etc forbidden to show any sort of accident...alot of the nurburgring channels are so boring now loved seeing the "talent" of some drivers 😂
that part was super fast, u can delete the breaking there if u are an expert, but you had to be conscious that not everybody is like you
braking
The Civic driver was so focused on catching the car that passed the Fiesta that he didn't realize how slow or inexperienced the Fiesta was going.
I guess that's the risk that everyone takes on the Nordschleife. Good thing this was a slow speed incident. The only damage besides the two cars was the Civic driver's ego.
Still I have to say great drive.
many people just don't understand the difference between touristenfahrten and trackdays
Camcars fault, this is a public road, not a racetrack (on opendays) you could see the Ford was slow from miles away, yet you reacted to it last second, you almost did the same thing with the Seat.
The civic had around 3 second to hit the brakes when it should have noticed the Ford move to the middle of the road...
Fiesta wasn't really at fault here --- was already past the left hander so looking mirrors he wouldn't have been able to see the civic coming from that angle... also the fiesta was always going to veer to the left at that point to open up the oncoming right hand corner.... misjudgement by civic... it happens... glad everyone is ok
At the TF the rule is to always overtake/give way on the left side. The Fiesta seemed to be on the right side at first, but upon seeing the Civic coming in fast chose to move to the left (sort of) and give way on the right, which was completely unexpected for the Civic, specially coming in for a blind high speed left turn. That's the danger of driving with rookies around, and that is why track day events usually work with timed sessions for different driver skills.
@@cduartebr understand what you're saying, but I don't think the fiesta would have seen the civic coming up in his mirrors at that point while moving left..
@@Gambit8319 Yep, I think it´s more likely. But either way, he was going quite slow and in the middle of the track on a high speed section, and unfortunately another car was coming in quick right at that time.
From the other side of the planet here, been watching a few of these vids and have played this track many a time on gran tursimo, would love to drive the track or even fang my harley around it, but as I understand it, yes it's a racetrack, but also is a actual open public road, so you are going to get people who drive around it to enjoy it a a slow pace as it does have a said speed limit also as I understand, so if you want to drive above said speed limit on a public road the responsibility is on you the speeding driver to avoid people and not crash into them or your the one going to court for dangerous driving. So you wanna go all ken block or Colin mccrae then go to a race track day. If not then just admit you f$#&ed up.
@@Gambit8319 it doesn‘t matter if he is seeing him, if you drive slow the rule says keep right and let the faster cars drive by. It‘s very easy
I was so anxious watching this and although unfortunate still I'm so glad its wasnt a huge crash and nobody was hurt
Should of started to break not accelerate when you went down the hill 🤦🏻♂️
@@Axoboos yes, after the civic stormed up his a$$ instead of braking much sooner since he would not have been able to pass.. this is touristenfahrten, not some F1 qualifying session.
@@gyula6516 With that logic if he didnt get on the Nurburgring, he wouldnt have crashed. Its a faulty logic. This is what you call bad turn of events. The Fiesta didnt check his mirrors, the civic had no time to react, tried his best. Its all during awkward section where you brake during a corner and elevation change. The corner is blind and noone ever brakes early because there is a slow car infront.
Idk what it is but I love the sound of those Honda engines. They scream so nicely.
Civic went in too hot, should have slowed down more knowing there is slow traffic ahead....
So close to getting out of it, two problems with the driver: wasn't looking far enough ahead to see that the black was was slowing heavily, and then held the brakes too long through the grass which let the rear try and pass the front causing the spin, if he lets off the brakes and applies a tiny bit of throttle after missing the black car, this accident doesn't happen.
Driver needs to look ahead more.... he would've seen the Fiesta well in advance
you should look ahead more too. If you look, the black Fiesta was wide right then moved over like a jackass after the white hatch passed him up. If he was going to go that slow, should have stay right.
If u r slow, stay in right
To cut a long story short... You were past your driving limit trying to drive like a hero for the camera, you caused the shunt by leaving yourself nowhere to go, It's an open day not a time attack, you won't be setting or even close to setting any records in your civic on the ring so just enjoy the drive, within your driving capabilities 👍
@Massimo Hack really, the shunt says otherwise...
I think the Fiesta was driving in the middle at low speed I see this like the biggest mistake, maybe you go a bit fast but is not your fault or not more than 20% for said something. At least it was not a hard crash.
It would-be Nice of the Fiesta driver has checked huis mirrors although the Civic driver should not pass that fast on slower drivers and should anticipate better.
I hope all is well with you and the car.
Question though.
What type of modifications were necessary to run your car on the Nordschleife without oil starving the engine?
Thx, however I'm the passenger with a camera on my head.... I have only limited knowledge about this EP3 since I only test drove it once for like 10 mins outside Nordschleife, I will send your question to the owner, if he'd like to answer it.
@@ldcj782 Thank you so much.
@@mateomazar7153 OK. Thank you for the info.
Could see that coming from a fair way back, poorly read by this Type-R driver. He should've backed off much earlier to avoid the collision, and then given the slow driver who was on the wrong side of the road the finger as he went past.
That was a unlucky situation. But everyone seems to be unharmed. Hopefully the golf wasn‘t a S 😮
The fiesta was on a site seeing lap! Didn't look like they was paying attention at all
That’s probably the cause of most track day accidents. New drivers that don’t know the rules. At least you got it on camera.
Your own fault. Period. Leave the ego and accept you you arrived to fast. The fiesta would never had time to see AND THEN react about you being behind so fast.
I'd say 50/50.
The fiesta driver let one car go by and then drifted slowly to the center of the track, didn't seem to bother checking behind them. And the EP3 possibly assumed he would stay to the side? Which imo, he should've played it safe and slowed down. That's just me.
I would say it was mostly that Fiesta's fault, why on earth did he come across to the left like that on a corner? Absolute muppet. You could say the Civic maybe should of braked earlier and been more careful, but you can't expect cars to just cut you off like that when people are travelling at decent speed.
The fiesta was a rental car driven by a beginner and an instructor was sitting next to him all the time. For a very beginner with no knowledge about the coming layout of the NS, he couldn't do it alone to cut off the road without any instruction. I assume that the instructor told him to switch the line so he could drive through the next corner smoothly. Somehow both of the driver and the instructor didn't check their mirrors.
The fiesta had just let someone by. He was angled for the left turn putting the civic out of view( only way he could have saw the civic coming was to look back at the track from the driver window) the ford then was setting up for the right hand turn that followed after the left he was just in. The civic didn’t even wait or look for a wave by from the fiesta to let the civic pass. He just assumed he would have the line. It’s wild the camera man just sat there too.
Driving on a race track, sitting like cruising through the hood. Had to be a Honda driver.
Thats a huge fine! Should have just bumped him and take the chance he will stay straight. That could have been a pile up. I know its usually your fault if you hit from behind. But that was the fiestas fault
That Mclaren got out lucky, could've been a lot worse had he been a bit closer to the accident.
Y venia posteando cómo un campeón!!! Siempre hay uno mas experto o uno mas amateur y los imponderables de siempre.
The track is for fast driving so full of Ford fault, shame about this beautiful Honda!
thank god that P1 wasn’t involved in the accident😅
I saw your problem before you got to it. You 1st and foremost should never forget that TECHNICALLY; the Nurburgring is a PUBLIC ROADWAY OF GERMANY and others. People will ALWAYS be using the road everyday UNLESS…they section the ROAD(technically not track) off for a sanctioned event. Even though you are allowed to used this ROAD as a track. You DID not yield to the other CIVILIANS using the road as well. You sir were at fault. I’m glad no one was hurt or killed.
The fiesta had no idea what he was doing, he was driving slowly and was neither on the right or left side of the track, just cruising enjoying the view in the middle of a high speed corner, congrats to him
Taking the racing line still and driving at around 90% limit when clearly there are two slower cars in front of you driving erratically and slow is a disaster waiting to happen. Yes 99 out of 100 on another day you might survive, but it only takes one fuck up. Drive safe, drive conservative, and never ever trust other drivers doing the right thing.
Everyone blaming the car in front when it's the dude recording who's at fault lol
Fiesta driver was behaving like an NPC and should not have even been on the track if they were going to drive like that.
I mean driving slow doesn’t seem as stupid as driving all out when there are slow things in front of you. It’s not the ford’s responsibility to keep track of how fast the civic is going behind him but to focus on what’s up front just like it’s the civics responsibility to focus on what’s up front of him.
@@oddwayne It's not even that the are slow af... well that's part of the problem but the main problem is their lack of awareness and going in the MIDDLE of the track when they don't need to at that slow speed. If you drive on track you should be aware of what is going on behind you and if there are faster vehicles you leave a space and stay out of the way. As Fernando Alonso said, "All the time you have to leave a space!".
@@gravityhammer25 so the civic just gets to throw caution out the window even though he knows he can see the ford but not sure if the ford can see the civic. I have to disagree. The ford shouldn’t have to make an adjustment mid s bend, on a safe area to pass is another situation like a straight away.
Karma for his cursing words for that white car
Mind was lost on earlier corner against Seat. Tried to catch lost time and made a bad decision. Keep your head cool always on track to avoid bad decisions.
It's not a track day at your local race track. It is Touristenfahrten. Open to drivers of all skill levels.
Thus, Honda was 100% at fault because he shouldn't have been trying to lay down his best lap times.
that guy in the middle of the road, strolling 20kmph wtf.
Блин как же хочется тоже поездить на этой знаменитой трассе
Nice driving, i think
Its a nurburgring incident.
You were forced into a mistake,
By the black car in front of you.
He was in the middle of the track,
Leaving you no choice but take to the
Grass. ( passenger at that point)
The guys behind you, couldn't see.
The black car should have moved to one
Side, or the other. Ring incident.
Nice poetry😉
Did you forget that you aren't actually a racing driver competing against professionals.
Glad both you're OK! Thank god!
Who was at fault? Easy answer. The driver of the Civic Type R.
Considering this is Touristenfahrten, expect to encounter the full spectrum of driver talent out there. Courtesy and signaling is always nice to see but never promised on days like these. It is up to the driver to predict the traffic ahead and navigate all obstacles using caution and situational awareness.
Driver is demonstrating aggressive behavior at 2:47 and it's a sign of his general driving style, not being very cautious or respectful of other drivers on the track.
By 3:01, the following two cars come into view and it's obvious that the Fiesta is slow and seems to be holding back the driver behind him.
He is starting to move, giving him space, at 3:04 or so. He overtakes at 3:06.
At this point, the Civic driver should have already started letting off, slowing down and applying the brakes. Instead, he downshifts and keeps foot on gas.
The Fiesta after letting the white car pass, moves back to the left, for an entry into the next turn. This is the point that the Civic driver decides to let off and attempt to brake but it's too late.
The car stability was already disturbed since he was running over the curb and lift oversteer caused him to spin. You can also see very slow response in the counter-steer attempt.
As far as I am concerned, even if the Fiesta kept on the right, with the Civic's pace, there would be an incident in the next turn.
You should never assume what a leading driver is doing on this track. This wasn't the time and place for a hot lap and pushing the car full send. Be happy nobody got hurt from reckless behavior. Drive safe, drive again tomorrow.
As stroll would say
'he just came back to the circuit like an idiot'
While you're driving at that speed, you need to watch traffic many yards away, not a few ahead. It was pretty clear that the moron in the Fiesta was slowing down, and you started braking toooooo late.
My dad always told me: "In a crash there's always a stupid and a daredevil" and it is easy to see who is who here. So glad no one's hurt, but there's a lot of mistakes in here
Fiesta's driver's fault. Knowing the context of the Nordschleife, if you know you are a slow driver and there is a very high chance of fast drivers who want to overpass you, just give them the room to do so. If you are not overtaking, keep the right side. Use your blinkers to let know the other drivers of your intentions. That's the rule of thumb.
This looked like a track day not a race. the responsibility lies on the faster car (could of been that fiesta first time in track). The honda went for a lunge out from deep and attacked the apex, the fiesta was just in his own little world. Honda probably caused this one and should of held back a bit more round that tight section(not calling him a bad driver he was hooning very well and mitigated a lot of damage). Glad to see no one was hurt, this shit is only metal at the end of the day.
Not a 50-50 situation at all. The Fiesta is to blame. If you are slow, you stay on a lane, left or right like this Wagon 1:50 .
You can see in the video he changed directions pretty quick.