What if SUN was EVIL?! In VRCHAT
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- What if SUN was EVIL?! In VRCHAT
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It hurt to hear Moon so quiet after getting back from that dimension. You can tell he was hurt too from seeing Sun like that. Hopefully spending time with his Sun can cheer him up.
This is definitely one of the two ways I always pictured evil Sun, either completely manic or void of emotions. It seems this one went the latter direction, and considering how he gave up on his Moon, it makes sense that he'd essentially numb himself.
He sounds so.. Emotionless? Like, he doesnt really care what happens. Just going threw the motions as its happening, if that makes sense? But also, we can't ignore how smart Sun is in this. Throughout the Sun and Moon Show, almost every character has called Sun "Dumb" "Stupid" "Idiot" or something along those lines. Old Moon, New Moon, Monty, Lunar, even Solar has called Sun an idiot. However, with New Moon I think its just playfull sibling banter, everyone else tho. It wasn't. This shows how Smart Sun COULD be given the right circumstances. If our Sun ever snaps, we are doomed.
It seems like Evil Sun defeated ALL of our villains by himself. He built the portal, I wouldn't be surprised if he already has a Super Computer. Evil Sun didn't know what the star was. Meaning he defeated his villains without it. I love this!!! I hope we see him again soon! Or maybe our Sun could meet his Evil persona? Maybe Evil Sun could convince our Sun to be a villain?? IDK I'm so hyped!!!
One idea that popped in my head is that, if my theory about Solar's Moon ending up kidnapping Sun becomes canon, that they could probably ask this Sun for help if they can't save Sunny themselves. I'm sure this Sun wouldn't mind gathering more information from another a-hole Moon before beating the ever-loving heck out of him.
Yes! I love how Sun was unhinged but competent! No, he was brilliant for all the reasons you said! But… I kinda wished he just killed Moon, instead of making him live his worst fear of being trapped in his own head. Oh well, Evil Sun must be evil. And what’s eviler than punishing someone without death… but making them wish for it.
@@saffrona_kate2183that would be a fate worse than death for Moon. When you think that the only reason they separated was because Moon wanted his own body… Killing him would have been a mercy that Evil Sun probably didn’t want to give him, given how Old Moon treated any Sun in any dimension. I think Evil Sun having Moon stuck in his head being “compliant” as he said, just shows how twisted that Sun truly is. If Moon will comply and conform to Sun’s way of doing things, then… yeah, that Sun cannot be reasoned with or allowed into the Daycare.
Honestly, I don't think of Sun as dumb. When it comes to Sun and Moon and how they're usually opposites, I always saw them as academic vs common sense rather than smart vs dumb. There's been a couple times now that Sun's found something by looking into an avenue that Moon thought was 'too simple' because the reality is, the worst thing that can happen by looking into it is its nothing. Also Sun is very good at putting on an act to trick people and that requires a lot of intelligence and adaptability too.
Man if only they knew that 10 months later we would see Evil Sun sooooo much more
I have a feeling evil Sun's warning about current Sun not being at his level yet, as well as Ruin's unusual behaviour, will end up as an entwined plotline and it will be .. probably horrendously stressful.
Tbh, with what the main universe Sun went through, I feel like if he ever became evil that it wouldn't be by his own conscious decision...
@indodinoyoutube For sure. I was even idly wondering if Rodrick would try to extract Bloodmoon's code and implement it into Sun and somehow control him, haha. But I have no idea yet what'll actually happen. I can't imagine Sun actually choosing to be evil. He's always chosen to be a good person no matter what and I admire and respect that about him.
I can't help but wonder if what Bloodmoon said about Sun being stuck in Moon's shadow will play into it in any way
@night-waker That's an interesting potential foreshadow. Whatever it will be, I feel right now that Sun's fate is a huge wildcard. No idea how to feel about that.. Sun is already under enough pressure :c
Probably, they wouldnt just post this for no reason i think, like then lunar went to solars dimension and found him, hut we could very well be wrong
this episode is a wonderfully painful one. a universe in which sun makes a blissful and utilitarian utopia is the universe in which sun is said to be a villain.
to be fair, everyone’s his beautiful puppet now, but he genuinely thinks it’s for the greater good. it’s a shame that if sun takes initiative on anything, it’s framed as malicious.
every one of villain!sun’s motives and traits are tragically close to our own sun’s, but i honestly don’t think that makes either of them on an evil side.
love this episode’s food for thought!!
Ooh, didnt expect this today, EVIL SUN! Something 90% of us have an AU of-
I am a sun has a child au person
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Really though that’s one of our AUs😭
especially in gacha
How did you know!?
As someone who's wanted an evil!Sun episode for so long, this was more than worth the wait! Can't say I'm surprised there's one out there, given how much our Sun has been through. I wouldn't mind revisiting this dimension in a future episode, given some of the possible foreshadowing evil!Sun dropped 👀
12:07 "Saying I'm one of the 'dead' ones makes you question whether or not resetting DOES mean dying"
Personally, yes, it does. Literally everything that wasn't part of Moon's base programming was erased. They might look the same and act similar, but for all intents and purposes, the old Moon died when he reset
The resetting means dying part…I wonder if that is hinting even more to Sun’s death-
It's just disappointing that he's just evil morty
Well, making him evil is harder than you think when he’s not technically evil in the game and into how do you make him evil without basically being eclipse
i ate your theory sorry i think u need a new one
@@DogDay02everyone's died at some point, except sun 😢
Evil Sun is exactly what would've happened if Sun actually decided to 'fix' all of it himself. All he ever wanted was a nice and calm daycare life. The only difference is that this one is a bit smarter and decided to not do all that toghether with Moon.......
Yes! So wanted Evil Sun. And this episode fits in with this head canon that I have that Sun is definitely a lot smarter than he's given credit for and knows how to program. Also, prior episodes have shown that Sun is good at thinking outside the box and picking up on things. He's the one that thought of looking up the Creator from when he worked at Fazbear's, he's the one who thought to look on the sun for Eclipse, he's also the one who found that a necessary folder was missing from the computer and restored it. We need episodes that show Sun shining like he should, that he's not some tagalong that needs to be protected or some idiot who needs everything explained to him. It would be great actually if Sun was able to get through the firewall on Ruin where Solar and Moon had failed.
Since, when was there a firewall on ruin I think you meant earth
@@Hello.3853 When Solar and Moon tried to access Ruin's system to try and find the control shock feature to maybe use on Bloodmoon, the system shut down on them and they couldn't gain access.
Oh, this is that incident Moon was talking about the other day. Interesting. And that Sun is definitely sadder than he is letting on. ...As is Moon, really, given his recent string of self-deprecation.
I did love how worried Solar sounded about him though.
Pls tell me what episode moon said that😭😭😭😭😭
@@pastel_glitches4998 It was the newest podcast episode on the Monty gator and foxy show
Let’s just hope he doesn’t show up again :)
I think that Solar is depressed or smth--- like, he's so apathetic, he doesn't care about most of the stuff or doesn't have an opinion about it. Btw, Solar needs therapy, he "killed" his Sun, his Moon wants him dead, he's being used in this dimension to do stuffs (track BloodMoon, fix things, rule the Theater etc), he's being asked for help 23/7
Give that dorito a therapy---
Valid.
But also I laughed at that last line.
I admit Evil Sun is interesting. I do hope that they play into the idea of Sun's negative mental health and his trauma through evil Sun. I low-key want evil Sun to make Moon realize the extent of damage that old Moon did and the pain he causes Sun accidentally. Sun deserves more respect than he is given in the shows. He's been through hell and back and though his pain and trauma has been focused on, it hasn't been to the extent of the other characters. Also the focus mostly seems to be on Moon when it comes to trauma. Don't get me wrong, Moon deserves support and help but so does Sun. Also Moon if you see this please give Sun a hug and talk to him more. And Sun if you see this, we love you and you are strong. We might have not been what you've been through but know that you are smart, brave, and hopeful and don't let anyone, even Moon or Solar, tell you otherwise. You deserve love and you are worthy of it.
P.S I feel a little cringe how am I so cheesy over a damn show!
Edit also Sun needs more therapy. Not from Earth because she already has a lot to deal with but just therapy in general.
Edit: Also the more I watch this episode the more I kinda like evil Sun; though that is partially due to the song Evil by Melanie Martinez which I think fits Evil Sun perfectly.
I feel like as time went on he began to hate Moon more and more. He has seen other universes and how those Moons treat their Sun's; mabie even how old Moon treated our Sun. I think this really shows in his immediate but calm reaction to when Moon calls him stupid. He immediately shuts it down as if he's been berated like that before. And the whole conversation shows how he truly no longer cares. It is sad but In a way it shows what might have happened if Sun gave up on Moon before he even changed. I admit there are times where I think that it would have been healthier for Sun if he cut ties with Moon when they separated, and he did in this universe, even before the separation but what he's been through what he has probably seen in other universes lead him to become paranoid and take things too far. And he started stopping other things even going as far as to reprogram Monty.
Like our Sun, he just wanted all the problems to stop and he's succeeding.
I low-key can't wait for a confrontation between our Sun and Evil Sun. Evil Sun trying to understand why Sun stays with Moon and the others after everything that has happened. Sun's hurt/ anger when he learns that Moon hid Evil Sun from him( assuming that Moon didn't tell Sun later on). It all leading to both sides trusting each other more.
I feel the same way about Sun. The more I see how Sun's being brushed aside during the show, the more it hurts.
Also, please don't feel bad about enjoying what you enjoy. I love this show an immense amount too.
No but like same!! Every-time a character says "I dont trust sun with this" or "Sun is the dumb one" OR just calls him an idiot makes me so sad. He tries so hard to stay positive. Even if it is blind positivity, others turn him down so quickly. The amount of times a character has called sun "dumb" "stupid "idiot" is just sad. Old moon, New moon, Monty, Lunar, even Solar has done this.
P.S Dont worry, we can be cringe together lol Your not alone!!
Except new moon doesn’t do it as much, unless he’s annoyed, or it’s jokey and sun knows that he’s joking
@@rainpuppy14 true that doesn't bother me too much. Though the Moon interview did make me sad. Yes Moon was joking about hating Sun but the last time I remember being informed about it Sun took it seriously and tried to get a new apartment. Tbh I think that at this point the jokes can be taken too far with Sun especially with Monty and Puppet. Honestly just give Sun a friend. Make him friends with DJ Music Man. They can hang out and be cool.
@@happyflowerdemon8565 the truth there is that’s just part of the sibling dynamic I do that with my sister
Ahhh so looks like we WILL get to see what happened! This is what Moon was talking about during the interview!
This Sun sounds so exhausted, like he'd reached his last leg long ago and lost it. He just doesn't care anymore. It's almost tragic. But this also proves our Sun is smart in his own right.
"One of the dead ones". That can definitely sit with you, and it did Moon. While not a physical death, a part of Moon essentially did die and was set to zero.
I wonder if Solar's Moon could be considered a "dead one" too, since that one is only a back up of the Moon after they ripped their killcode out as well.
So this is a flashback episode
I also now wondering if Solar will tell anyone about Prickdrop (Solar's Moon) coming back and if they don't I think it would blow up in their faces. (sorry if this is off topic :)
me recuerda a tu Au from killer!sun
I agree that Solar's Moon can be considered a dead one. I rewatched the episode where Solar mentions that Moon isn't the same anymore, and just memories now, just before this. So I feel it's quite likely.
Do you know who we should be praising Davis for being able to pull this off making him evil but not making him feel just like eclipse
No way. The title of this...
*laughs at the speed with which the comments flooded in on this video*
I don't usually like the evil ones, but I am surprised at how much I like this Sun. His evil has an interesting logic behind it.
It makes so much sense for Sun, for some reason, to have him become like this if he was evil. It's like he got so overwhelmed at one point until he short circuited and snapped, warping all the neglect, feeling inferior and being taken advantage of into taking back everything in the worst of ways. And the fact that he needed to shut off his emotions to do so, even if you can still hear a little cynically sad warble in his voice.
I feel worse for Moon though. That must have been traumatizing. It felt close to home.
Love the thumbnail's energy too though.
This version of Sun is kinda intimidating-
And I’ve never once felt intimidated by a character on this show 💀
I'm calling it now, the creator is second to last boss they'll face, and Evil Sun is the final boss.
@@indodinoyoutubeu freaking genius
YOU DON'T KNOW HOW LONG I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
I have a feeling Evil Sun might have some important part of the lore in future episodes...
Fr
ME TOO
SAME!!!
sa y est… nous y est
Davis did an amazing job in this episode with him, making sun evil isn’t as easy as you think Davis did an excellent job with it, making him evil but not feeling like eclipse
When I got the notification I went "oh" in the squeakiest way,
Sun being evil is gonna be a banger, I can't wait to see how this will end up
It's going to be so interesting!!
@@markipliertrash1562I KNOW IT ALREADY IS
FRFRFR I LITERALLY WENT CRAZY MODE
Why sun sound sad
I wouldn't be surprised if Sun snapped soon. His current mental state isn't the best. (If sun snapped and went on a rage kill, I will bein my closet sobbing my eyes out.) Sun needs much needed actual love, some comfort. Someone who would be there for him and give him hugs when he needs them. Luv ya sun :)
Also props to Davis by the way for this because I’m sure it probably wasn’t easy to make sun evil without having him feel just like eclipse
I did not expect a evil sun au today tbh LOL
But this sun sounds like they are exhausted and lost their mind a long time ago. Like they got sick of everything and wanted it their way. Sun honestly deserves more respect than people give them. Literally, like most of the suns have been through hell and back and have so much trauma. And I would also love to see this sun in future episodes because they couldn’t block that dimension and also, I would love to see EVIL sun with our sun it would be a juicy episode I would be here for it. ^v^
As someone who theorized, analyzed and made an Au of a possible Evil Sun. It is extremely satisfying to finally meet one.
Wapow.
@@Random_Artist_Official 😨⁉️
@@xboxdragon 😮⬅️
Considering two seperate characters stated that Sun's magic is almost as powerful as GOLDEN FREDDY, I can only imagine how dangerous he'd be as a villain
Really! Damn!
That sun was kinda badass ngl, I thought evil sun would be a bit more eccentric though. I hope this sun doesn’t talk to normal sun, he’d be a bad influence.
ALSO SOLAR TELL MOON WHAT YOUR MOON SAID
"they all tried to form a council"
THE COUNCIL OF RICK'S?!
YESSSS IM SO HAPPY
I NEED ANOTHER SUN VILLAIN ARC
9:48 oh, Solar, I think it’s quite possible. he had a mini villain arc, went insane, blah blah blah. He just needs a little.. push. (Solar is cool don’t attack me-)
WE REALLY NEED IT
This makes me realize that Sun snd moon have something in common, they both want to be busy instead of dealing with some trama or hard truth.
The sound of listening to a 'Sun Morty' is making me chuckle so hard.
damn, didn't expect Evil!Sun to have such a somber feel to it, I mean I guess it makes sense considering Suns mental state. Evil!Sun feels like he stopped caring a long time a go, he sounds tired and kinda sad, it's an interesting take on him and I like it. I feel like he could become a potential problem, considering what he managed to do in his own world.
Also Moon was absolutely not okay after coming back and I don't blame him
Oh my god it happened, it finally happened
Somewhat like Earth, hes not too evil unlike Lunar since he didnt destroy the world or anything he just got rid of the villians. Hes just more emotionless now in the process and even smarter
I wanted an evil Sun episode for SO long....
...Because normal Sun almost had a villian arc.
The way evil sun speaks and sounds + the way he acts is something I think he is capable to do something dangerous that he can but eclipses wasn’t able to do.
I'm glad they actually delivered on the Evil AU this time. Evil Sun is a fairly interesting character, and I feel bad for his Moon. Though, I did notice that Evil Sun mentioned his Moon didn't agree to separating bodies, I wonder why?
Also, I know this isn't the point of the episode, but it's honestly getting to be a pet peeve of mine that every time the show talks about the Old Moon now, it's just to call him a piece of shit or demonize him in some way. I do *not* think he was perfect by any stretch of the imagination, I still fully understand that he had been abusive at the beginning of the channel and sometimes he was pretty damn self-centered, but are we really going to bury the fact that he, unlike New Moon, had to *fight* to be a better brother for Sun?
He fought to control his homicide code and stop killing. He fought to stop Eclipse and protect Sun (and Lunar when he joined the family.) Even though he would talk up and down about how he didn't care about anyone but his family, whenever someone from another show came to him for help, he wouldn't turn a blind eye on them. Do we not remember that he set up a therapy session for Funtime Freddy, Funtime Foxy and OG Freddy? And then *he* was the one who told Sun "I love you," the most often, he was the one who told Sun he *was* a good brother during the New Years ep. And, let's not forget, his last action had been to sacrifice himself to save Killcode, and his last words had been to wish for the next Moon to be better to Sun.
I'm just saying, if you try to pretend that Old Moon had *no* redeeming qualities, then you're really not understanding the character. If Old Moon had really been such a bastard, I imagine that *he* would be the main villain of the show, and quite possibly *Sun* would be the one trapped in *his* mind.
Yes, he may have it all though, but think about some of the bad things. How many times did he use sun as a science experiment, do things to him without permission, exploit him remember, when Monty turned both of them into a plushy son turned into a plushy just to make money
Old moon may not have been the best brother at times, and yes he did have good qualities, but he wasn’t the best at times
@@rainpuppy14 Yeah, I did fully acknowledge that Old Moon wasn't perfect in the original comment. But I still think that if we're going to take a critical look at him, repeatedly brushing aside the good he did would be ill advised.
😢😢😢😢😢
Not to mention, New Moon could stand to step it up if he really thinks he's so much better than the Old Moon. He outright mocked Sun having schizophrenia, gave the most half-assed apology I've heard since Eclipse apologized for slapping Lunar in October '22, and I personally think New Moon has been blatantly neglecting Sun's mental health in favor of doting on Earth. Even *before* she died.
Honestly if sun DID turn evil
I wouldn’t be surprised knowing how much has happened to him
Exactly though I wouldn't root for him I'd understand
WOOOOOOOOO FINALLY YIIIISSSSSSSSS IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!!
0:25 i think he’s innocent so far but that can easily change :)
0:44 idk I think that just might be his speech impediment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1:31 oh that’s trippy
2:02 *RuH RoH*
2:17 “hey Ron”
“Hey Billy”
2:41 well as normal as a sentient magic robot can be.
3:24 uh moon I don’t think that’s a good idea 👁️👄👁️💧
4:05 I’m sorry W H A T .
4:46 wait so the dimension where you and moon are brothers is more weird then a dimension where you both kill each other? I feel like there *has* to be at least a few dimensions where they get along.
5:05 oh so they basically just tried to do what the creator is doing? Yea that tracks.
6:53 oh so the celestial bodies *do* exist in other dimensions, maybe they’re just a less likely occurrence?
7:25 a star that automatically updates itself when it goes to another dimension? Ooooooooo
9:03 sir your a daycare attendant who lives in a dirty attic, I think you look up the word “luxury” in a dictionary.
11:33 now that I think about it, to him, (if we’re assuming that he’s been through the normal S.A.M.S AU ringer) that *is* a luxury. No more problems, no more drama, just living a normal life, taking care of kids, but at what cost?
12:34 to me, losing your memory’s is a fate worse then death. Your still *you* it just constantly feeling like you’re forgetting something important. So R.I.P old moon. May your soul finally rest……
So this was *supposed* to be a “haha funni timestamp thing” but it accidentally became an analysis thing, so the only thing I have to say about that is:
lol whoops
12:36 A sense of deja vu got me there. Oh here we go again... you all know, It's only another person and for another reason, but you all know
I think even evil sun still has some good in him, if he went full on evil, he would’ve killed everyone instead showing mainly kinda mercy. He killed his creator, but his creator would’ve been a threat, and I can’t tell if he killed anyone else in his universe. He didn’t kill the glamrocks, not even Monty, he just reprogrammed him.
I feel bad for Moon, this really affected him badly 😭 Hopefully he’ll talk more about it at some point, because just ignoring it by finding things to do _may_ make things worse - hopefully not, and it’ll be fine, but his it may be beneficial for him to talk to one of his siblings or Solar about it more, seeing as he’s terrified of the possibility of him not being as different to old Moon as he thinks he is. If anything, the validation of his feelings and the reassurance that he _is_ different may make him feel a little better.
Maybe Moon should have asked Evil Sun how he managed to kill his universe’s Creator, it might have been helpful, though there’s a good chance he probably wouldn’t have bothered to help since he _clearly_ hates any variant of Moon. It does make me wonder what that Creators’ council thinks of it.
I find it interesting how Evil Sun isn’t evil in the sense that he wants to rule the world, but felt he had to _fix everything._ It definitely fits in with his personality and need to make everything clean and tidy, to make everything _perfect,_ even if it is only _his_ view on how things should be.
PLEASE!! We need Evil Sun and Solar's Moon to work together. They would be the perfect villain duo. The polar opposites of our Sun and Moon. The hero's turned villain. It would be SO INTERESTING. Evil Sun HATES Moon's, so it would be cool to See him taking charge instead of Solars Moon.
Oh wow, this was a very interesting and emotional episode. Meeting 'evil sun' was intriguing and I love how different their approach is to getting what they want and thinking everything is better because he stopped certain bad things happening, but at the expense of his own happiness if he had chosen differently. And they cant black list the portal? Thats going to be a very interesting future Arc, I cannot wait! My biggest love for this episode though is the bond and relationship slowly building between Moon and Solar, it is just so wonderful to watch these two care and support one another in this episode, seeing a more serious side to their friendship with worry and concern from Solar for Moon and trying to look out for their wellbeing like Moon did in Solars previous episode. And when he gives moon a task which he asked for, Solar also makes the decision to assist him in the end when he sees how bad the job is. So sweet, I hope these two can start confiding in one another more and Solar finally finds his place with Moons help along with the rest of the crew. It will also make for an interesting twist when 'Solars Moon' appears. I still love the rest of the crew very much, but I am really loving these two, more please! 😍🤩😍🤩 Xxx
you wrote a entire paragraph but did you still only have 8 likes!
@@Hello.3853 Hey, its ok. Im not writing the comments for the likes ☺️ just really enjoying the latest episodes as a fan and want to show my appreciation to the team that make the show 💜 x
Evil Sun clearly has some problems. You can tell he’s depressed just by listening to him. He doesn’t care anymore, and he’s emotionally detached. His depression is radiating off of him. The way Moon is acting when he gets back shows that he’s sad to see Sun this way.
I feel bad for this evil Sun, also Moon. Now Moon is questioning his existence and whether he’s dead, alive or dead on the inside. Moon is having an existential crisis.
Damn, evil Sun is... something.... I hope he doesnt come for anyone. Also being reminded he's a "dead one" is pretty.... nah Moon said it best...
I gotta say Its interesting to see how everyone tries to jab at Moon's "ego" and Moon is just "eh." About it.
Good grief we have evil Moon who desperately wants his brother back.
Then you have evil Sun who... his goals are interesting to say the least.
Evil Moon: Driven off grief of loss and corrupted memories.
Evil Sun: Driven fully off pure anxiety about potential threats.
Both willing to kill because of such.
moon is acting like sun keeping himself occupied after what happened even tho he was the one saying it's unhealthy. It just makes my heart sink :( moon i hope you'll feel better
I’m scared for them.
Wait, what if Sun does end up successfully making a star that could work throughout dimensions? Oh my gosh, that would be a huge problem. I hope he doesn’t want anything from our Sun, Moon, Solar, Monty, etc.
He said that our Sun wasn’t driven to that point like him… yet.
They already have enough problems with Stitchwraith and BM and the Creator and Solar’s Moon- Evil Sun might be a bigger problem in the future.
We already have 5 current threats and 1 possible threat in the future... WHEN WILL ALL OF THE THREATS STOP COMING?!
I. DON’T. KNOWW. WHEN??
Also, he didnt make the star yet. That means, he killed the creator, and possibly all the other SAMS threats without it. Im honestly a little scared of this guy.
@@ClownersPin OH GOD! If he's able to kill ALL of the villains WITHOUT THE STAR POWER, then he must be very powerful and I am hoping that he doesn't go to the main demention and cause worse problems for the family. 😨
I’m gonna be honest, I’m a big fan of evil Sun. I hope we get to see him again. Maybe he can be the next October takeover?
Oooookay, it seems like this Sun could be a recurring issue. Maybe not, but if he’s aware of the goings on of other dimensions to that degree, he could very easily be a problem...
Also, Moon does _not_ sound okay after that....
You called it...
IT'S HAPPENIN YA'LL
THE THING WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR
Oh my I’m just imagining evil sun,lunar,and earth teaming up (though earth wouldn’t do that much) bro that fact that the Eclipse that made a council all died is HILARIOUS
Hoo boy... this Sun might become a problem later. This does prove Sun has smarts though, but he is more interested in using them for other things, not this type of stuff
I’m not even surprised at this point with all the chaos that comes with the portal
You know what I just realized? A while back Moon asked Sun why his awful mental state wouldn’t also affect him as well. Why is that interesting? Well because we literally see the effects here. Moon is asking for something else to do instead of facing the issue head on. Ouch. Looks like Sun isn’t the only one that takes after his brother when he’s not around.😭😭😭
They really need to stop running from their mental problems ngl
@@indodinoyoutube Yes. Yes they do.😭😭
So THIS is what moon was talking about in the podcast episode, and I have to say evil sun is kinda....scary,especially when he pulls our moon to his demention so he can get info from him and when he said about our sun not being evil YET, I have a bad feeling that that is a foreshadow that may happen some time next year. And I am afraid that this won't be the last time we see this sun, he said that there's nothing he wants in the main demention, but they may find something later that will grab evil sun's attention and will make his way to the main demention and possibly threaten Moon's family to get that thing. The future for this show is SCARY. 😱😨
Although it’s scary, it is good because we know what our next goal is going to be
@@rainpuppy14Yeah, you are right I may be scared of what will happen to the characters, but I am also excited for something epic to happen in the future 😊.
hc after this episode moon gave sun a long hug.
i imagine it mustve been horrifying to see what couldve happened if sun just...snapped. if he had just a little less patience.
i love this concept for an evil!sun, and i honestly hope there is more of it. maybe this sun coming to our dimension will be the catalyst for sun getting more focus and help with his mental state, or maybe the evil!sun convinces our sun to snap in some shape or form
"You’re not happy, You’re insane"
"Eh suppose Those go hand in hand with eachother"
DANGGG 😭😭😭 why was that so casual
finally back online and this is the first thing I see
Awesome ^-^
so this is what Moon was talking about on the Monty and Puppet Podcast
Evil Sun
...
W O W
Ok yeah , I can see why Moon compared Evil Sun to Evil Morty
... well that's no good ... no bueno ...
a fact that surprised me was that there was once a council of Eclipse's but it didn't work out ??? glad it didn't ! just imagine a army of Eclipses running around doing whatever
TERRIFYING-
I'm very scared though because Evil Sun said he might make a Newton Star , and one that can work across dimensions ???
Nah Nah Nope , we're good ! no need for that Evil Sun !
I hope that doesn't happen
though I have a feeling it might
Evil Sun is like the 2nd to last Boss or the Secret Boss
... actually wait yeah , that sounds like a great idea !
also Evil Sun sounds so like ... yeah he sounds so tired and just through with everything
kinda like how OG Eclipse was though Evil Sun doesn't have that God Complex that OG Eclipse had
let's hope he doesn't get like OG Eclipse , especially if he makes a Newton Star
Ngl ... kinda glad Evil Sun killed Creator from his dimension
but also yeah I was like “RED FLAG ! RED FLAG ! SUN DOESN'T KILL PEOPLE” then Moon said exactly what I was thinking and was like “Thank You Moon !”
but something interesting and kinda sad that Sun mentioned calling Moon “one of the dead ones”
which got Moon thinking about if resetting does mean dying
... I ... Uhh ... It might ... Old!Moon did die after the reset
all the memories gone therefore , that Moon is gone
and yeah that also means that there's other Moon's like our Moon
maybe we'll see a few of them one day ?
love how Solar was concerned for Moon at the end
Solar's a sweetheart 🧡
I wonder if Moon considers Solar as a brother
anyways
hopefully Evil Sun doesn't come to this dimension
... I have a feeling he might though
p.s : hope everyone in the comments has a wonderful week
Poor Moonie! That version of Sun kinda reminds me of someone not sure who tho. My memory sucks! Ya gotta love when Sol sounds absolutely concerned for Moonie's safety and well-being!💙🌙
he reminds me of evil morty from rick and morty in seson 5
The way this evil Sun kept saying that he fixed everything reminds me of the time our Sun wanted to fix everything and almost went down in his villian arc.
I'm now betting there is a BLOOD sun where blood moon still has control over sun but locked him away in the mind set
You possibly are correct because at this point in time I'm guessing there's a dimension for everything. Because we literally saw a cringe dimension on the Monty and Foxy show. So there has to be a dimension for literally everything. And I'm betting there is a dimension that, and don't make fun of me when I say this, but I'm gonna say there's possibly a dimension that OG Eclipse is Sun and Moon's dad. So there has to be a dimension for everything. And basically Moon said everyone's fanfics are different dimensions literally. So basically there has to be a dimension that a Bloodsun does exist.
Blood Sun does exist but most people don’t think about or they thought about but do anything about it(like fan art eta). I seen only one you tuber has done a video on him in their style.
@@catcocotwt3318 Could you tell me where you found Bloodsun?
From evil versions of people, Evil Sun sounds actually dangerous and knowleadgeable for other universes, I wouldn't be surprised at some point he'll actually come to this dimension with multidimensional star. He might be interesting villain for the future, I wounder how him and our Sun would interact, maybe the evil one will try to convince the other to join him on his quest???
I'm guessing Evil Sun's Moon hadn't make the Newton Star for their dimension yet since he's being suppressed and forced to be with Sun. So he's not allowed time to do his own thing.
he's literally the most traumatised character and is a punching bag for anyone who meets him, i'm waiting for a villain arc in the normal universe
Wow, that's not what I expected from an evil Sun, but it makes sense. Sun wanted everything to "stop." So that one did.😰
Solar seems disappointed the Ruin's fixing his body by himself.
YESSSS!!! I was hoping we'd get this after the teaser on the Monty and Puppet podcast! As soon as Moon described him as being like Evil Morty I just knew we were gonna get an episode about it.
Dang. How did he manage to kill his creator? I thought the creators built their consciousnesses into all their animatronics...? Or I guess it's possible that only our Sun and Moon's creator did that.
Bro he really is just an evil Morty, isn't he? 😅 Sounds just like him too! 💀
8:29 "Ah, you're a dead one." Proof that a reset for an animatronic is death and not just amnesia.
Also, I just quickly want to point out a small, little, teeny tiny detail. It's actually something I theorized back before Sun killed Bloodmoon...
Notice how this Sun says point blank that it was a "man" who blessed Moon with his intellect and knowledge, aka, the creator. The creator made him smart and gave OG Moon the knowledge that the he woke up with. And I want you to notice something else... every world with an evil creator has a Newton Star that was made by Moon. I also want to point out that all those Moons that we know of, as well as most of the Eclipses and KC, started out with the same opinion of humanity that the creator constantly expresses. My point? They never started out with a blank slate. They started with their opinions skewed based on the information the creator programmed into them. Honestly, this dang near proves two of my theories. One, that Moon (across countless dimensions) made the decision to make the star out of manipulation and not his own free will. He was unknowingly following the orders which the creator programmed into him. And two, that those orders and that mission were likely passed to Eclipse upon separation, which is why he never gave up on his goal but also never thought further ahead than it. Lunar was right, most Eclipses never evolved past their starting AI.
And all of this combined with the inter dimensional creators working together for a common goal shows just how much of a puppeteer role they play. From the very beginning, every problem Sun and Moon have faced can be traced to a single person: their creator. He may not have planned all of it, but the second any new strings come into the game, expected or not, he pulls them. He's the ringleader. I just hope the siblings figure it out and do something about him before it's too late.
I've actually been waiting for an episode like this! I think I'll like evil Sun!!
I just realized that this show is basically Rick and Morty…
Moon is Rick, sun is Morty, eclipse it Rick prime, lunar is Jerry if he had powers, and this sun is evil Morty…
dont ...compare jerry and lunar never do that again
I literally went "Omg, finally!" when I saw this! Oh, I'm excited!
Edit: Okay, so, it looks like that Sun basically snapped into an emotionless psychopath. He wiped out all threats and made every single animatronic complacent. He's "happy." Ngl, it's kinda what I expected, seeing how our Sun snapped in the past. Anyways, onto Moon. He was obviously not fine after he got back into his dimension. Seeing Sun like that way definitely hit too close to home with how our Sun was like in the past. And being called, "a dead one" definitely affected him too. And Moon demanding Solar to give him something to do after that is an obvious sign he's trying to get his mind off of it. I hope Moon talks to Sun, Earth, and maybe even Lunar and Monty about this. I'm guessing he's already talked to Sun about it though. This Evil Sun AU is definitely going to be an important part of the lore soon! I'm excited to see where this goes!
We have evil Sun, evil Lunar, 'evil' Earth, and evil Moon (I'm counting the Moon from the dimension where they didn't separate), then nice Eclipse (Solar)
I'm excited for if they do anyone else
Ok but like
Moon sweard for the first time and they didn't censor and that jump scared me so much XD
1:41 if anyone's wondering
Lmao
Funny thing is that I’m getting Evil Morty vibes from this evil sun, don’t know if that means anything yet but it could be important
This is completely random, but I never noticed the clicky-thing on the barrels was labelled "Clean Up!!" 😂
So Sun managed to kil the creator? Interestingat version of the creator was just as smart as the one we know, if thats the case then its pretty impressive. I guess this is a version of sun that just got TIRED of everything always crushing down on him, with all the danger, threats, anxiety and stuff and he was like "You know what? Im done being nice, screw this" and here we are.
But then again why is this evil sun collecting so much information anyway? Bringing out moon there just for that, steal and then who knows what else based on his behavior. Does he want to be a god? What about earth? man i got sooooooo many questions
I hope we see him again at one point
Depending on what time point he became evil and then killed the creator, there's a chance there might not be an Earth in that dimensions, it wouldn't be surprising if it didn't considering how sun acted and all his previous actions. An Earth might be a big help for him though if he's willing to listen but at the same time I think it's too late for that now, he's already distanced himself from his emotions.
LOOKS LIKE Dark Sun's Foreshadowing his Plans for Pre-Nexus[basically Nexus prior to becoming Nexus]
Once I saw the lovely Thumbnail, I immediately clicked on it. I’m scared to what Evil sun is like
Edit:Wow….Honestly, I was kinda expecting that. Though I am worried if Evil Sun will come back, and what he plans to do. Now knowing about astral bodies and more Star data. I’m scared. and I hope Moon is okay :( and that sun won’t be like that
4:55
I KNEW THERE WAS A POSSIBLE COUNCIL OUT THERE OF ECLIPSES I JUST HAD NO CLUE THAT IT WOULD BE CANNON!!! (im just really happy that i wasnt crazy for wondering about that- also i made a name for that council i call it "the council of burning star")
I mean I'm not surprised about a evil sun dimension at all knowing how he had a "Sun is Eclipse" arc
(Making a second comment bc I don't want to make my first one longer than it already is)
After rewatching the episode, I think it's interesting how this Sun doesn't seem to be *completely* evil. Yes, he's done unethical things like reprogramming Monty, and *possibly* whatever he did to his Moon to make him "complacent" (it's implied it was something bad, but we don't know what happened). Until he got Moon's information about the star, he hadn't tried to take over the world, and instead kept running the daycare like usual. Contrast this with almost every other dimension where someone turned evil (evil!Lunar, evil!Monty, the one where Sun and Moon never split, etc) where they either took over the world, killed everyone, or both, this Sun has left things alone for the most part. Yes, he killed his Creator, but given it's the Creator, I'd argue that's actually more of a good thing than bad
The most interesting thing to me is that he hasn't killed his Moon, even though he could at any time. He (seemingly) has no reason to keep him around. Especially since they weren't that close to begin with. Btw, can I say real quick there's something sad about how Sun and Moon calling each other "brother" is apparently super rare across dimensions? Anyway, I guess my point is that I want to study evil!Sun under a microscope, and I hope we get to see more of him in the future
i think i remember moon saying in one of the vrchat episode that his worst fear would be to be stuck in sun’s/someone head
i think making someone living their worst fear instead of killing them is worst tbh-
FINALLY!!! WE GET TO SEE EVIL SUN!!! I wonder how this will go.
Edit: Wow. I didn’t expect him to be like that. He sounded so calm and somehow that made it even more scary than if he was like when Exlipse first controlled him.
Y'all. We got solar's moon to deal with and later on probably the evil sun
THIS SHOW AIN'T ENDING ANYTIME SOON WOOOHOOO
YES!!! I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS DAY FOR SO LONG!!!!
Bro when I read the title I literally was clapping my hands and jumping up and down like a child lol
THE THUMBNAIL OML-
Not me simping for evil Sun- 💀
The thumbnail artist needs a raise tho-
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@@-BL00DMOON- Yea-
oh this hurt my heart. both that there's a world where Sun was so miserable he lost his emotions and snapped, and that our Moon is upset at the idea of being "one of the dead ones". No, he's not the same, and that's fine. We love our Moon. Heck, he's the reason we have Solar and were able to get rid of Eclipse 2.0 and everything. And I don't think our Sun would want him different :(
So evil Sun is smart Sun huh, didn't expected that to be honest.İ think he might be a plus for future lore episodes. And I WAS WAİTİNG FOR THIS
Evil Sun is living the life of luxury?
He gets to buy all the HAND SANITIZER HE WANTS! 😂
I actually laughed at this comment lol
please tell me I'm not the only one who hears a bit of evil morty with his mannerisms and voice.
Other than that, this episode was everything I wanted it to be.
Gentlemen, we’ve been waiting for this for too long
I never thought new Moon was fair about the way he talks about old Moon. Yes, Old Moon did some horrible things but he also had factors that he couldn't control--he had a Killcode purposely built into him and that wasn't his fault. Yeah, he did shitty things, he threatened and physically hurt Sun, but he regreted those things, too. He did want to be better, he did try to help people, and he did that; he helped Lunar; he tried to help a few others along the way and he made a huge sacrifice to help Killcode. He was a complex person and Sun loved him--that was his twin brother, and that's why I always thought it was shitty of new Moon to get mad at Sun for it. Don't you think it hurt Sun to have to let him go, especially, that he never got to apologize for that last fight--that was the last time they saw each other, they had a fight, and Old Moon left him trapped in the bunker.
I always wished for an episode of New Moon having a dream that the higher ups took Sun, scrubbed all his memory in place in new programming, and then New Sun can spend the whole episode talking about he is actually going to be better and be useful, not like the old Sun, and go on and on about how his old Sun was useless, and then maybe New Moon can finally understand what Sun had gone through with the way new Moon looked like he was trying to erase Old Moon. And I agree, that New Moon hasn't lived up to his promise to be better. He keeps making big decisions without Sun--the game with Ruin, confronting Monty about dating Earth, Confronting Earth about going off with Creator, letting Solar move right in (which I am glad about that, but that's not the point here-), rebuilding the portal and then running off for a week without letting anyone know. What happened to "we're going to do everything together?" I bet if Sun did these and ran off for a week, Moon would chew him out.
You would think seeing this "evil Sun" would make Moon appreciate the kind Sun that he has, and also think how shitty it must be to be the person that everyone--and I mean everyons--has called stupid to his face. (Earth certainly never gets treated that way--ever.) but he came back thinking about himself instead. Also "Evil Sun" didn't really seem Happy to me. I always thought it was super unfair that every alternate dimension version of Sun us either dead, about to die, tortured, or imprisioned or enslaved, and half the time, its because of Moon, so to me, it always seemed like Sun always got the shortest end of the stick there. This Evil Sun felt like he had to fix everything himself. It didn't really look like his goal was to be the ruler of the world. It was something really different to see a smart Sun who was on top of things, and still he wasn't happy. Not really. If anything, he sounded tired and empty. But we finally get a universe where Sun gets to be the smart one and he's still short changed by being tired, alone, empty, and being cast as the villain.
I wish we could get an episode of Moon realizing that he's been unfairly harsh about Old Moon and hasn't really taken Sun's feelings about that into conisderation, meanwhile he goes out of his way to baby Earth to the point where she doesn't even know whats going on half the time, instead of treating her like a grown girl and keeping her in the loop. Which, again seems to be a decision that Moon decided by himself.
We all love you, Moon, thats why we want to see better from you.
Also, whoever commented that we NEED more episodes, or any to even get started!--where Sun's best attributes shine through, hell, yes! Yes, yes, to that! I was so so excited when Sun broke through Eclipse's spell (sort of-) on Glamrock Chica and Funtime Foxy, but it didn't go anyway and that was frustrating as hell! We need episodes where Sun's best traits not just shine through, but actually suceed! The poor guy really needs some wins and it would be wonderful to see the message that super smarts aren't the only way anything can get done. Especially, that its apparent that a smart Sun would be a bad thing--that was sarcasm.
At the end, Moon telling Solar to give him something to do, probably to get it off his mind but also avoid it, in which he agreed to clean the theatre, even if he fully didnt want to, he still agreed to, just to forget about, and avoid that whole situation. It honestly reminds me ALOT of Sun.
Thumbnail is absolutely beautiful
And ladys and gentlemen we waited a long time and here it is so Basically this evil sun is pretty much giving alot of eclipes vibs but something else entirely interesting tho i got a feeling this isn't the last that we see of him
Now this was something we all needed. But I just realized something. While Sun and Moon can travel through dimensions again, are they using star power or technology. When they're are in another dimension, shouldn't they be glitching " that sounds like a Spiderman across the spider verse. They're code should be glitching or overloading because they're in the wrong dimension. So are they using star power or technology.
Technology the portal wasn’t made with star power castor, just didn’t like the fact that it was brought back because it caused so much trouble ruin
If that was the case, then solar and ruin would be doing that because they’re not in their right dimension
I think the dimensional chip that moon made also makes sure that their stable in other dimensions :>
@@rainpuppy14 Well, Ruin had the virus who could have made him a smart, so he maybe made his own tech that prevented him from glitching or overloading. And Solar is smart, so maybe he knew that a made his own tech too so that he doesn't glitching. As for Sun and Moon, they could also be using tech or star power. Star power is more natural than and abusing technology so maybe they use star power. But they don't know they glitch but still have star power in they're body.
@@fireelixir84 The portal was made long before star power was introduced they don’t use star power when they travel to different dimensions
YESSSS FINALLY- BRO AS SOON AS I SAW THIS I JUMPED 15 FEET IN THE AIR WHILE SCREAMING AND I ACCIDENTALLY FELL INTO THE FLOOR 🌚🌝
SAME
😭😭😭😭😭😢😢😢
I JUST WOKE UP.
2:36 Oh I don't like that..
9:57 Yeah that's what I thought. Despite killing and locking in Moon that Sun just seemed like nothing.
Edit: Forgot to say I really like the thumbnail:33
But I think I'd like to see more of that Sun.
future me, how is evil Sun?
EDIT: A sociopath but it was fucking amazing
Evil sun and main moon give so many evil morty and main rick vibes lmaO-
Ok, so I love the Sun and Moon show but it is eating me up inside that Sun could possibly be hurt or killed by BloodMoon and I don't know when it's going to happen and I just have so much suspense building up inside of me
At least he is that evil, it still feels weird/sad to see him evil and see moon like that. It really hurts seeing moon like that
2:23 tips for people when they get nervous watching sun and moon show just click off and then just wait a little bit and then just start watching it again😂
HELLOOO
@@I.want.sum_catss HIII
There's been several times that I had to take month long breaks from watching the show. And honestly, it really helps to do so.
Well, it had to happen eventually, and it did. Evil Sun was rather chill when talking to Moon, he could've killed him but that wasn't what he was after, just knowledge. Very interesting.. wonder why. It's concerning honestly to just hear Sun so relaxed, it gave me chills how this Evil Sun spoke. He certainly wasn't anything like the Sun we know, to think it just happened at the very start where Moon was fighting for control.. Sun just decided then and there to just not care and let him have his way.
Good on Moon for getting out of there though and not staying any longer than he needs to, I would've been worried if he did and Evil Sun decided to do something. That Sun definitely got things done it seems.. took care of Stitchwraith by the sounds of things, he wasn't insane evil, but he certainly was smart evil. Certainly was interesting to see this from a Sun.
Evil Sun is more lawful evil.
Ooh were now going to see the Evil Sun Moon said he encountered when he was doing that Podcast against his will on the Monty and Foxy Show
5:23
m: my sun doesnt kill people.
evil s: oh, well isnt that interesting? i can tell easily tho. he seems like he's nowhere near that level yet. yet being the word.
oh yay suns gonna become evil one day he just needs another push hoora !!!!
Good boy Moon! Spreading the suspicion about Ruin being off! Sun didn't listen, perhaps Solar will!
Oh Right. . . this episode takes place BEFORE Nexus became Evil AS FUDGE & Before Solar died!!
That Evil Sun was pretty apathetic. I got uneasy vibes and it made me shiver.😖 (Moon could have asked if any of the Dead Moon's ever recovered their memories. Or how Evil Sun killed his creator. Or how to get rid of that group of creators trying to figure out how to control a witherstorm.) wonder what Sun would think about this Evil Sun? (what if Lunar met an Eclipse that went insane because his Lunar disappeared and tries to replace his Lunar with Lunar?)