The title is blatant clickbait yall, Torch has not beat Stockfish in any tournament or had a better performance throughout a tournament once, it very recently lost to Stockfish in the bullet final of the CCC (570.5-429.5) and is currently scoring worse in the Blitz Semifinal
A very fine win by Torch a couple of powerful counterstrikes really changed things. Interesting how it turned after all the tactics into an endgame advantage. thanks Josip.
I'd like to see a blitz engine championship defined by clock cycles rather than minutes. How well can engines play with 10M clock cycles per game + 100k clock cycles increment?
stockfish is the best, temporary can be contestet, but it stil the best ... if the organizer put nimzoindian on table, torch not even touch the ball. By the way, what do Torch in same position with black?
Computers are looking like 15-20 moves ahead at all times. You didn't calculate over 100,000 possible combos like the computer did lol. The computers are just looking for which positions tend to win overall most often. So they will give up a piece on turn 5 if it means more winning potential by move 30. You can't always make sense of what they do as a human.
Play a similar defense against the London System. A41. I know it's pre-arranged, but I don't like that early b5 move by black. It seems like an over extension without a clear provocation. I feel like you have to save that b5 for a knight kick and to prevent white from taking that long diagonal easily
Wow a very surprising Thumbnail I loved watching Stockfish work its magic devastating wins it had against leelaC0 and Berserker just a super well game played by Torch great attacking and positional play Incredible I think we all enjoyed Stockfish I didn’t see that as a problem but for sure we want to see the games with the strongest engines I think Stockfish will bounce back thanks for the game Jozarov
Maybe... As it becomes harder for chess AI to make progress at higher levels, development tends to slow down. This allows those in lower regions to catch up more quickly, eventually leading everyone to converge towards a more or less optimal chess strength. I believe this is the case with the chess engines Stockfish and Torch. Chess is the best ;)
I really like your channel for your consistency in covering engine games but the title is blatantly incorrect. Torch just won a single pair, Stockfish is back in the lead and leads 4-1 in their head to head
Slightly misleading title... instead of b5, Stockfish 16 on my HP AMD RYZEN 7000/5 wants to immediately play a much better move that's only 0.07 for white and tve organizer's b5 move gets a 0.88 and drops a minimum of 0.81. I'm thinking maybe it's the Organizers who are not the strongest anymore lol.
The Stockfish team doesnt seem to operate anything like Alpha Zero. They have a much more surface level understanding of AI. It was a matter of time that they would get passed up
Semifinals were restarted. Before the restart Stockfish had actually won a game pair against Torch. So no, Torch is not stronger, it just happened to win a pair after the restart and Stockfish has already recovered by winning another one. Please refrain from using these clickbait titles, many people do not follow CCC and TCEC constantly and will take titles like this for granted and incorrectly assume they're true.
@@Jozarovschesschannel Stockfish is right now 1 point ahead of Torch with same amount of games played, also Stockfish vs. Torch games favor Stockfish (9points for Stockfish, only 7 for Torch)
Currently Stockfish is leading their head to head in the tournament 6 wins to 3 and Stockfish is leading the tournament…for now. Plus Stockfish is leading all its head to head matches. Misleading title.
Chessmaster 2.0 has also already proven itself to be much stronger than Stockfish 16.0 by soundly defeating the fish with the Black pieces in only 2 moves with this prearranged Computer Chess Championship opening 1.f4 e6 2.g4 Qh4#
Oh,well well before i watch this ,could it be you really learned something ,i was the one that created the change when i beat the best program and moved the elo factor up and knew what this is where it is when it is how it is no matter how confusing it looks and or sense of it to how it works😮
@@richi2870 Results can be changed for fair reasons. That doesn't mean anything. Also, did this game happen or not? In what way is Torch 'trash' when it is an objectively great engine?
The title is blatant clickbait yall, Torch has not beat Stockfish in any tournament or had a better performance throughout a tournament once, it very recently lost to Stockfish in the bullet final of the CCC (570.5-429.5) and is currently scoring worse in the Blitz Semifinal
Agreed. It really is clickbait intentional or not, since Stockfish won as white with this prearranged opening as well.
He changed the Titel
Looks like torch smoked some fish.
Jozarov can you make your own chess engine tournament? Then you can choose your own preranged openings.
Something could be done
Even Stockfish got tired of the torture.
torchure
A very fine win by Torch a couple of powerful counterstrikes really changed things. Interesting how it turned after all the tactics into an endgame advantage. thanks Josip.
Now show us how torch performed against stockfish in the same inferior position as black
Brutal Stockfish.gracias Jozarov.Saludos.
Would be good to see the game pair. Even if you spend less time analyzing side lines, it's more fair to see how the engines play each side.
im also following all ur video sir .. from Philippines
Thank you ❤, look at tcec26 FRD semiLeague1 game 5 ? between Altair vs Ethereal, Altair made move 21 trapping his queen
I'd like to see a blitz engine championship defined by clock cycles rather than minutes. How well can engines play with 10M clock cycles per game + 100k clock cycles increment?
Stockfish 17 in a few months will destroy Torch2!
Yes, keep praying.
You have proof or just wishful thinking?
Isn't 17 beta already out?
@@bloxorzwizard7931 according to the Stockfish Channel yes
stockfish is the best, temporary can be contestet, but it stil the best ... if the organizer put nimzoindian on table, torch not even touch the ball. By the way, what do Torch in same position with black?
This is the interesting question.
Torch lost against Stockfish as well.
Follow the best engines. For sure.
I don't understand after Bd3 why Stockfish avoided capture on h3 ? @ 14:02.
Computers are looking like 15-20 moves ahead at all times. You didn't calculate over 100,000 possible combos like the computer did lol.
The computers are just looking for which positions tend to win overall most often. So they will give up a piece on turn 5 if it means more winning potential by move 30.
You can't always make sense of what they do as a human.
Stockfish still is first now in the tournament.That lost a game it not such a bid deal!
Play a similar defense against the London System. A41.
I know it's pre-arranged, but I don't like that early b5 move by black. It seems like an over extension without a clear provocation. I feel like you have to save that b5 for a knight kick and to prevent white from taking that long diagonal easily
the Torch project has stopped last week.
Can you give me a link to the news or some additional info
Wow a very surprising Thumbnail I loved watching Stockfish work its magic devastating wins it had against leelaC0 and Berserker just a super well game played by Torch great attacking and positional play Incredible I think we all enjoyed Stockfish I didn’t see that as a problem but for sure we want to see the games with the strongest engines I think Stockfish will bounce back thanks for the game Jozarov
Its very dynamic in the tournament
Thanks a lot for create this type of videos.
Maybe...
As it becomes harder for chess AI to make progress at higher levels, development tends to slow down. This allows those in lower regions to catch up more quickly, eventually leading everyone to converge towards a more or less optimal chess strength. I believe this is the case with the chess engines Stockfish and Torch. Chess is the best ;)
All other engines follow SF path, thats why are growing su fastly
Nice haircut by the way
Thanks. With the small amount of hair that I have I got the best out of it. ;)
I really like your channel for your consistency in covering engine games but the title is blatantly incorrect. Torch just won a single pair, Stockfish is back in the lead and leads 4-1 in their head to head
When I recorded the video Torch had a clear advantage. Maybe I should change the title
Stocky got a lesson 😂😂
Slightly misleading title... instead of b5, Stockfish 16 on my HP AMD RYZEN 7000/5 wants to immediately play a much better move that's only 0.07 for white and tve organizer's b5 move gets a 0.88 and drops a minimum of 0.81. I'm thinking maybe it's the Organizers who are not the strongest anymore lol.
The Stockfish team doesnt seem to operate anything like Alpha Zero. They have a much more surface level understanding of AI. It was a matter of time that they would get passed up
SF leads 1 point againts Torch but Torch wins from other engines while SF draws
3:53 why not g4 immediately to trap the knight?
Semifinals were restarted. Before the restart Stockfish had actually won a game pair against Torch. So no, Torch is not stronger, it just happened to win a pair after the restart and Stockfish has already recovered by winning another one. Please refrain from using these clickbait titles, many people do not follow CCC and TCEC constantly and will take titles like this for granted and incorrectly assume they're true.
Torch is right now half of the point behind with two games less played
If you don't like it, start your own channel. I've been following Jozarov for years. He is doing great!
@@Jozarovschesschannel Stockfish is right now 1 point ahead of Torch with same amount of games played, also Stockfish vs. Torch games favor Stockfish (9points for Stockfish, only 7 for Torch)
@@istvanmatolcsi1786 today we will cover then a Stockfish game
@@istvanmatolcsi1786 today we will cover then a Stockfish game
Stockfish is not the strongest engine....its jozarov engine.
It was SSS. Torch development is over. And SF is leading now.
Currently Stockfish is leading their head to head in the tournament 6 wins to 3 and Stockfish is leading the tournament…for now.
Plus Stockfish is leading all its head to head matches.
Misleading title.
Shame jozarov shame, everybody knows that Torch's development has been halted.
One great game ❤❤❤
Thanks
Chessmaster 2.0 has also already proven itself to be much stronger than Stockfish 16.0 by soundly defeating the fish with the Black pieces in only 2 moves with this prearranged Computer Chess Championship opening 1.f4 e6 2.g4 Qh4#
Ach 1/2 point ist nutink.
Stockfish in fact is still the strongest and this video, also in fact, is clickbait..
Apparently Torch is a Cheat, it used Stockfish to beat Stockfish 😅
Stockfish is stronger. Alot stronger. Just not enough games played yet.
not really a fair game as torch was given a much better starting position. It may have even been a forced win from that position
Oh,well well before i watch this ,could it be you really learned something ,i was the one that created the change when i beat the best program and moved the elo factor up and knew what this is where it is when it is how it is no matter how confusing it looks and or sense of it to how it works😮
Yes my dragon and now it is getting clearer and clearly to see but I'm still under 30 seconds easily now I told you to much 😮
This is just a bad opening for black so this game proves nothing
Torch is trash, mods overwrite results for it!
Explain
@@DanLyndon what should i explain? I have seen on there website, how mods changed results for torch
@@richi2870 Results can be changed for fair reasons. That doesn't mean anything. Also, did this game happen or not? In what way is Torch 'trash' when it is an objectively great engine?
@@DanLyndon there was no fair reason lol. What are you talking about.
6:33 what happens if Kxe5? Pawn is pinned
I see, Qf5 attacks K and B and threatens mate in 2 with Qxf6 Qxf7 mate
Qf5 indeed. But there is no "Qxf6 Qxf7 mate" threat, it is Qxf2 Qxg2
@@jurjenvanderhoek316 haha yes i totally messed up the board positions but thats what i had in mind 😂
I have the same question ... isn't it a good bishop trade for White?