@@RackerPaSgermanic culture is from south scandinavia. The people were ”made” there. The germanic people did not just walk into Danmark and Sweden. Its a mix of diffrent people that made the germanic man and woman. Sure some culture aspects were imported, but the homeland and culture of the germanic people is Southern Scandinavia and small parts of northen germany.
@@RackerPaS Norse culture and Germanic Culture is both correct, however NORSE is more specific and of course has a lot of things that are just... Norse., Norse culture had seafaring traditions that are exceptional for example. Even among Norse there is differences so area/tribe etc also mattered etc. Edit; also agree with @galenbjorn443 here, we have our own specific mix of ancestry.
@@galenbjorn443 Your little part made up over 50% of the early Germanic world. The ice sheet that melted and made settlement possible slowly retreated from south to north. The Indo-Europeans, the immigrants, came from the east and turned to the northwest, which is how the Germanic peoples and Celts came into being. de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urgermanische_Sprache#/media/Datei%3APre-roman_iron_age_(map).PNG
@@pappelg2639 Norce is only the part that remained pagan longer. There were hardly any differences until the 8th century. de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiterstein_von_Hornhausen#/media/Datei%3AHalle_(Saale)%2C_Landesmuseum_f%C3%BCr_Vorgeschichte%2C_das_Monument_von_Hornhausen.jpg
In the Netherlands, even up into the renaissance period, one had to speak law under the open sky. There are even law buildings with ceilings that are sky painted in order to speak law inside. Not sure how long this remained part of the legislation.
Where we're falling short in our theories of the "gods" is excluding history, anthropology, and DNA analysis. The Edda's, especially the poetic, are stories of embellishment of the Yamnaya type folk, (the Giants/consumers) who invaded the land of the Scandinavians. The former brought the lactose persistent gene, that is the sacred cow to the hunter/gatherer meat eaters, (Thor). The Æsir were the I1 haplogroup while the invaders from the south, the Vanir, Yamnaya type folk were the R1b. They eventually intermixed over time and created what we know today as the Swedes, Danes, and Norwegians. Týr was the first and most notable HG/I1 man to negotiate with the "giants", the consumers or the yamnaya people who wanted their lands, not unlike what they did to ancient Spain. The Yamnaya murdered every male Spaniard. In other words, they wanted it all. Týr sought peace with the invaders and through the Alþing used diplomacy to appease them. These Edda's are more ancient than we know. The same story is told in Greece with the same R1b Yamnaya type folk invading the region of the Hellenes. Hence the war between the Olympians and the Titans. There is a connection between the Hellenes and the Norse, especially when we get into Hyperborea, which is another story. So we Scandinavian type folk are a composite people as are all modern Europeans. The Yamnaya 5k years ago changed the landscape of the continent. This analysis is just a brief, terse analysis of how I understand these embellished REAL stories of the Norse. Skál!
Another couple quick thoughts. First thanks for showing that the Fenris Wolf and Tyr are the origin of Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Totally makes sense. Second possibly in the second aspect of the myth when Thor goes fishing Tir becomes the wind in his sails since he was formerly a sky God. This would suggest he may have given Thor the impetuous to go fishing in the first place so destiny could occur. Just a thought. Awesome post
My own theory on the story of Tyr and Fenrir is that fenrir is a wolf that cannot be sated. I think fenrir is a representation of greed, or theft, or corruption. He is the product of trickery (Loki) and to contain him, you must bring justice (tyr). It may cost you your right hand to do so, but to keep it under control you must punish even those that are the best of you (your right hand men)
From what I read about the mith of Fenrir biting Tyr, is that they were friends, the wolf is a concious being with their own ideals just like the other childs of loki. Tyr just needed to be loyal to the Æsir rules and do his best to dont hurt his wolf friend a the same time knowing chaining him meant sacrificing fenrir in order to maintain Tyrs place in asgard. Fenrir warned him that he hated the chains and would defend himself (bite Tyr) even if this breaks their friendship. Thats why Tyr also talks about being a good friend or loyal to a group...
The old Saxon poem is talking about night sky’s & being ever present, so potentially a star & an association with navigation? 21:07 a couple ties to trade & travel. The separation of justice, war, etc could have been the source of other gods, so a source for other gods. Dogs have long ties in other cultures to death & the underworld. Many cultures seem to have bodies being consumed by wild animals to enter into the afterlife so maybe the eaten had is a reference to being of both the living & the dead? I like these brainstorming videos 💯 thanks!
I’ve always wondered that what if people didn’t abandon a God ie Tyr for Odin? Instead connected with the God that met their needs for the time. In times of war Tyr or Odin was awakened in the spiritual subconscious as in what Jung wrote about. In times of food shortages than Fryer or Thor. Ect…. So that the Gods were never abandoned but more awakened when needed. Just a thought.
Tiu's word (to Fenris) is his bond (the Wolf is imprisoned, but not slain): his red hand (Mars; a sky god revealed in the Twilight) the cost of peace to Oath-keepers, herald of War to Oath-breakers.
The most interesting place name in Sweden would be ”Tiveden” that combines Ti (Tyr) and veden (the forest) where a place called ”Trollkyrka” (Troll’s church) was recorded to be a place of Pagan practice.
I think you would like the channel "Frortress of Lugh" who looks into the origins of all things European, its people, their culture, modern day stories (he did a video on the ancient Germanic origins of Snow White) and many other interesting facets of things we think about but never ponder, until he makes a video about it.
Those who kept to their ancestral worship were oppressed on all sides by those who had converted to Christianity. As they lost followers and territory they turned from war and justice (Tyr) to magic (Wotan) in an effort to prevent extinction.
With the Greeks we see a parallel with the original sky father, Ouranos, losing a limb, which always has phallic symbolism, then replaced by Chronos, who in some ways has connections to Odin as somewhat chthonic figure and then replaced by the god of thunder and lightning. I think succession in myth plays an important role for generations. Dyeus Pitar in India also fades into the background...
Cronos/Cronos, not Chronos. While sometimes conflated, they were generally distinct entities (one being the Protogenoi of Time, the other the Titan of the harvest).
Well, we know that, even if the name comes from the same source, Tiw/ Tyr can't just be "god," because Germans & Scandanavians had their own word for those things that is incongruent, but there should he some sort of correlation as to why this word survived as the name of a specific god. Assuming he is a sky god could be a possibility. I also know that, when being more specific in equating Tyr with Marsz they usually give him the title Thincsus- Mars of the Thing- so I looked up any political connections to Mars & got back that Mars' name had to be invoked before treaties were signed, right off the bat. My money, so far, is on him being a god of governing, or a god of general civilized behavior in humans- building homes, having a government, writing in runes, etc. Maybe the governing connection is why he's connected to war, because several gods are treated as important with regards to war. In many cultures where the sky god isn't the Creator, he is often the judge & ruler over disputes.
Old Norse language phrase,” A Gnawer of the Moon, a giant of the Gale Blasts, a curse of the rain-hall, a Companion of sibyl, a Night-roaming hag, and a Swallower of the loaf of Heaven,”. What does this Old Norse phrase mean in simple terms? What does this mean in Old Norse,”moon of Hrungnir, wealth sucker of the giants, destroyer of the storm sun, companion of the seeress, and swallower of the sun,”. What does this mean? Is there a meaning to this? What does this mean in simple terms?
You do a great job 👍 You're taking me into a deeper examination of the religious practices of my own family roots than I have been able to go on my own Thank you
Thank you for sharing this amazing video, I appreciate all the research you have done to help us understand the past a little better. I once heard about the theory of Tyr being replaced by Odin in a few of the sagas, I was awesome to see how you were able to describe it from your perspective. Thank you again, skal!
I thinkt he Nuada comparison is really apt. A lot of the cover of Nuada by Fortress of Lugh brings up many of the similar points and themes, and gives a lot of insightful and deeper material on some of them (such as Nuada as a celestial god of war and honor/justice and how that relates to humanity).
for the last part and trying to figure out the spiritual energy and how that Might related to him previously being a sky god; I think looking to cousin cultures is a very helpful tool. The greek concept of Pneuma and Breath for example would fit very nicely as a middle ground. You breath in the spiritual energy of the sky and that gives you life and power. The hot heavy breaths filling your lungs in battle keeping you alive and fighting, the urge to scream and shout and call out the the sky father as he fills your lungs with breath and accepts the offering you return to him.
I've been wanting a video on Tyr for a long time! :D 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Great video! Personally I believe that Tyr can be seen as the Great Creator/God who's present in our realm as an aspect of the Sky Father😶🌫ᛏ He is the eternal sky, the creator of moon and sun 🌝🌞 This ties into the whole thing about balance and justice, for the sun and moon complement eachother. The sky is the highest authority and therefore ruler over law and justice. I believe that when warfare between the Germanic tribes and the Roman Empire escalated during the 2nd century, the Germanians needed the Frenzy/rage more than law, order, honor. Because they fought against an overwhelming foe, defending their homelands. Thus Odin/Wodan became their main God of War and not Tiwaz. Another note is that historians might have confused roles of the Gods as Aries/Mars ♈ where Gods of frenzy more like Wodan and not Gods of law and justice. Thus the Germanians God of war where primarily Wodan⚔and not Tiwaz, but Tiwaz was rather a God of law and justice⚖ Another note is about the symbol of Odin being one-eyed👁 It's said in the sagas that by sacreficing his eye, Odin could see over all the Worlds. This is related to the Sky father who obviously also could see everything.
Thanks for the share ….. Hope I can ask a question and perhaps get an answer 🍻 I have German and English roots/ancestors which I would like to learn more of . By this I mean my father left my mother and I when i only 3. His mother was German with last name “ Bearcutter “ i never learned the correct spelling as all letters trashed and my Grandmother whom I never meet seemed not to care about this side of family . Here is question does anyone have idea of this family name and if so could you share it ? Much appreciation for this sites creator and those supporting here ….. be well ✝️
5:06 i like to think of that interpreto as similar to how we call all clouds in the sky by their name in our language and don't call clouds in china by the chinese words for cloud.
I wonder if the right hand representing justice, and fenrir representing greed using that you could interpret fenri biting off tyrs right hand as greed corrupting justice
Really great research and solid explanation. Curious if you have found any cross over of Tyr with the Phoenecian city of Tyre. I ascribe to a thought that Phoenecian sailors spread goods and language to the Mediterranean rather than the accepted migration from the Middle East to the Nordic regions and what is now the British Isles. I believe that before the Ice Age cultures of that area and further North started a migration South. It has never made sense that people living in temperate climates would move North to harder environs. Also there is a tremendous cross over in language and runes vs Hebrew and Aramaic letters. Seems to me the Shamans and Druids brought their knowledge South not the other way around. Thanks for all your hard work on this channel.
kind of crazy how these things work out, i was just meditating on the nature of tyr ealier today, then this was uploaded. tyr was most associated i think with honor. honor in the old days was both good and terrifying, and many were killed for honor's sake. this was the origin of blood feud. honor governed the thing, the oaths of warriors to their kings, the strength of oaths and the payment of weregild. loki says he never brought peace to anybody, as the honor systems often caused as much chaos as they prevented. people went to war and died for honor and fame. this honorable man is the only one brave enough to feed fenrir, wild violence. he is the one who volunteers his hand, much like odin volunteers his eye. odin has a lot of overlap here, which might explain the lesser significance of tyr. the sacrifice of his hand made the deception of fenrir "legal" as a sort of weregild, but also in symbolic context he pledged his right hand as an oath. people still pledge with their right hand today. this left tyr with his left hand, his sinister hand, probably a terrifying god, not so much loved as appeased, much like ares and mars. it is said he is killed by garmr at ragnarok. this is very interesting, because there must be some symbolic reason for this. it implies that perhaps after passage into hel, the souls of the dead are retained there, or others are kept out, by a being that is the enemy of the honor-god, by a being of dishonor. remember this is not the same as being good or evil, as even baldr is among the "dishonorable dead." it simply implies that the honored dead continue their bond in the afterlife, while others await ragnarok, or are punished in nastrond.
To Norse magic and belief: Jacob Toddson wisdom of Odin says,” the undead is not called draugr, it’s called troll-curse or spirit or restless spirit,”. Glamr was not called a draugr but he was called a tröll. Is this true? I get different answers.
So far, with what I've looked into, any magic from any kind of spirit that is primarily deceptive or disorienting is being referred to as Troll Magic & Glamour is what we call that kind of spell in modern English, so there might be a connection. I don't really know of that helps, but that's all I've got, right now.
To @MrChristianDT: Some experts says a troll is a spirit that helps people with magic. Some experts says a troll is interchangeable with jotun. Some experts say a troll is a synonym for jotun. Some experts say a troll is a synonym for monster. Some experts say it’s a being that is turned to stone during the daytime. Some experts say a troll is a monster. Some experts say a troll is a ogre. Some experts say a troll is a synonym for giant. Which one is it? Why are the experts not on the same page? Is there any fake influencers out there like me?
@@taylorfusher2997I have no idea, but there are a few things I ran into that make me think that, when these areas got Christianized, they either started combining concepts to sneak pagan traditions into Christianity, or they started making up new stuff. One of the big ones was a rabbit hole I fell down last week about Berchta/ Frau Holle. The thing is somehow simultaneously considered the kind, female version of Krampus, a variation of the goddess Freya & some kind of troll, but up in Scandanavia, a Hulder- which, they are positive the names are of similar origin- is a completely different being altogether- some sort of female nature spirit with a cat or dog tail & a hollow back. Also, you have the Nixie, which is simultaneously described in different localities as being either a humanoid spirit, a mermaid, a water horse, or a dragon/ sea serpent. But, only with regards to the humanoid spirit is there actually a full explanation that gives it a role in the religious beliefs of the people attached. Every other version, it got turned into a random monster & sanitized.
To @MrChristianDT: Old Norse language phrase,” A Gnawer of the Moon, a giant of the Gale Blasts, a curse of the rain-hall, a Companion of sibyl, a Night-roaming hag, and a Swallower of the loaf of Heaven,”. What does this Old Norse phrase mean in simple terms? What does this mean in Old Norse,”moon of Hrungnir, wealth sucker of the giants, destroyer of the storm sun, companion of the seeress, and swallower of the sun,”. What does this mean? Is there a meaning to this? What does this mean in simple terms?
I figure that Tyr had fallen from "sky god" to a war god after it was said he was defeated by Oðínn in martial combat and then became Oðínn's chosen commander due to respect
Thanks for your interpretation! You help me a lot here, as I don't really have time digging in all the books, codex, inscriptions, etc. It's been a few years my intuition makes me believe that there is a link between the Norse Mythology and Siberian Shamanism. 1). In Siberian Shamanism, the "god" of creation is called Tengri, which means "Sky" for the ancient Mongols and Turks. This could be Tyr... 2). Again in Siberian Shamanism, the world is represented in a circle / wheel, where Tengri sits at the "top", followed by Ulgen (on the right), Umai (at the bottom) and Erlik (on the left). Tengri is the Creator, the energy of infinity, where time does not exist. At some point he created Umai (Mother Nature, energy of love, protection, etc.) and together they created Ulgen (energy of the sky, dreams and wishes), and Erlik (energy of tranformation). Tengri holds a bow and with it he shoots his arrows towards Umai so that new lives get born. Again here we have the rune Thurisaz, Tyr's rune... 3). The representation of the cycle of life is done like this: each human sits on a boat going down the river of life. Behind them is the past, in front of them is there future. This river pass in front of Umai and goes towards Erlik. At the end of the river, the human dies. If the death is normal, then he takes the bridge that leads to Tengri to get reincarnated (Bifrost bidge that links the Earth to the realm of the Gods?). On the other hand, ff the death was sudden, without the person knowing for example, then he goes under the bridge, and goes down Erlik's realm (Hellhaim?) that leads to a cave, where he will terminate his course either in the lake of tears or in the lake of blood. There he will remain until someone helps him out (often a shaman). There must be more to be listed, but I would need more time and RUclips is not ideal either... Let me know your thoughts! And if you ever dig more into this, please share :)
I think I may have found a surprisingly helpful source of info. The Armenians also had a god named Tir. He is the god of art, wisdom, culture/ Civilized behavior & was the messenger of the gods. He was important enough to be referenced in their old calendar system & the Greeks considered him syncratic with Ares & Hermes. So, I'm all for assuming Tyr is the god of higher human thinking- He is associated with civilization & has authority over all that comes with that, law, wisdom, teaching, oaths, art, etc. I think that may also be why Nuada shares the hand thing for the Celts- Nuada is the first king after Dagda, therefore he is responsible for creating the entire system of Celtic civilization. There is also an Etruscan moon goddess named Tiur. Not a whole lot of info on her, but I won't be shocked if/ when we work out their language if she shares a lot of similarities to this Armenian Tir.
Do the gods think of bad things as we do like murder something we see as bad is something they created in the first place we all plus all the natural disasters that happen
I think I may have found an interesting connection in Celtic culture- they believed that their gods had an original king- Nuada- who lost his hand, and so had to give up his kingship & be replaced with a different deity- Angus/ Bres. Given what I read, they probably aren't gods over the same things, but that could heavily imply that Tyr was the original king of the Aesir, but ended up giving the title to Odin. I'm also wondering if we have any mention anywhere of what happened to Odin's two brothers, because I've seen them get brought up once or twice, but then they go nowhere.
It makes sense that the Romans reported that earlier cultures believed gods were ancestors because this fits with the ancient Vedic teachings that we are all on a spiritual evolutionary path toward godhood. The gods were believed to have been ancestors who completed their evolutionary path, and who help us with ours. Gods are also archetypes, and I interpret Tyr's archetype as "just war", which would be similar to the Robin Hood archetype--preventing the more powerful from abusing the weaker; taking action that stops injustice. And when was the last "just war"? Thousands of years ago? Now all wars are about greed: honoring Fenris, not Tyr. No wonder the archetype died out.
Compare Tyr's interactions with wolves to Oðinn's. Tyr has a wolf that he's afraid of, and he tries to restrains it. It works, until it doesn't and he has to injure himself to do it. The process damages him, and eventually those around him. Oðinn's has two, both of whom have names that mean something like "greedy" that sit on either side of him. They're unrestrained, and he feeds them sometimes. They're not a problem. There's a lesson about repressing oneself here.
not the literary lesson most would take from that comparison, especially given the related cognates with other mythologies Odin being a strange outsider, or an aspect of Mannu having wolves and taking the spot of tyr both in the linguistic sense and in the pantheon would lead me to believe that if there is a connection to draw its that odin's wolves ate tyr's right hand, taking much of his power and role in the religion
I'm so glad I found you on here. I may be from America, but I hate how people have to try to americianize everything. I try to follow oldest ways I can find. Hail Tyr!!!
perhaps Týr giving his hand to Fenrir was symbolizing the righteous judgement of Ragnarrök. Again, Týr was the God of judgement and perhaps Týr works chronically. Meaning, he’ll only be worshipped beginning and end.
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Not necessarily, cause the rune of Tyr is tiwaz not tyr.... also what about anzus that's the rune of Odin..... the divine connection... so technically doesn't Odin have a rune as well if this is the case
Do you think that perhaps the time of warlords was more the time of Tyr where the time of Odin is the time of Jarls and kings? Tyr being a war God and also tied to justice and courage matches what a warlord may be,while a wise and ever travelling wisdom chaser may match up to Odin? Love the content brother, to your good health 🍻
The Celtic Lugh is almost like a halfway figure between Tyr and the stereotypical Sky Father figure. He is a war god who oversees oaths. He is a god of the harvest. He is also associated with wind and the sky. It is my belief that his spear is probably representative of lightning.
New gods always replace old gods. This is like a trend in human evolution. When you dig deeper you will find all sorts of old forgotten deity. 100% agree with Maria's theories on fenrir.
there´s some possible connected words in modern finnish (probably there´s more, just what jumped out from my mind). tirvaista=hit someone. tyrkkiä=push someone. tirahtaa=spill blood, or other liquid. tyrnävä=place name. tyyris=expensive. tyrkyttää=to offer something. tivata=to ask for something. taivas=heaven. fake words from the uralic perspective, you can have them :) ps. justice connection is common here too for sky gods, they made oaths to them, shouted many times to the heavens (form of prayer) and so forth.
I believe Tyr is one of Odin's brothers, along with Loki. Tyr's father is commonly thought to be Hymir...strangely similar to Ymir, who was the first being. Just as Odin has MANY names, I believe Loki and Tyr are alternative names for Vili and Ve. Tyr is the bravest and most noble of his brothers. I believe that Odin only became the Supreme God because Tyr sacrificed his fighting hand and his honor for the greater good when the Aesir bound Fenrir. With his broken heart and the loss of his sword hand, Tyr was replaced by Odin. Odin during ancient times was a God primarily worshipped by: elite rulers, poets, and outlaws. I think this is due to his connection with the runes. By discovering the runes (language) Odin paved the way for civilizations to arise. In ancient times only the elite and educated could read and write. By having thus skill, which Odin discovered, they were able to form nations and rule over large groups of people. Pretty sure I'm shadow banned on RUclips so this comment will more than likely not be seen...but it's the truth.
Loki is not Odin's brother. Loki was never worshiped and there are no place names dedicated to this traitor. Loki is chaos, the single line from the Lokesanna notwithstanding.
@@Vidarboots dude thats so cringe... loki was NEVER worshipped, we have 0 place names in entire scandinavia, the EDDAS are NOT historical sources, these are written by a christian monk. please get a brain u cringe wanna be viking.
@midagards_wyrd_domain Hearasy?...I take that as a compliment, rather read the material and form my own opinions than follow a flock like a sheep. My sources are the Poetic Edda and critical thinking.
Thank you for giving a fuller picture of a God to whom I feel connected but unfortunately not as much attested. Coming from a continental German rather than Norse background, I base my own opinion foremost on Tacitus (not that passage but Germania, 2.2-3) since it goes back to the common origins of our tribes. I then combine this with my own gnosis founded on, among other things, comparative mythology on the general motif of a Sky Father. So “Teuton” comes from the Latin corruption of Proto-Germanic *þeudō "people, tribe" clearly relates to þeudanaz -> Tiwaz -> Ziu, in the sense of the Sky Father giving Sovereignty. Thus the associations with the Thing and justice, or as I like to say "Sublime Protector of the Cosmic Order", i.e. the close connection between Natural and Cosmic Law. Tacitus mentioning Mannus "man" born from the Earth - this is the "sacred marriage" of Sky Father and Earth Mother from which we arose truly indigenous to our respective lands. Considering scientific findings about panspermia (and mythology worldwide about our connection to the stars) "seeding" in different Biospheres, so that we arose out of this sacred marriage - we are from the elements, metals, and liquids of Earth as well as Cosmic materials of the stars. To this point there is obviously a lot of speculation and its highly esoteric, so I don’t expect too many to agree. As for why Wuodan ultimately "overtook" Ziu, its only an apparent displacement. First, its no accident that his name also relates to the general term for “God” while those of Wuodan primarily relate to his various functions and actions - i.e. the active element of transcendence, Becoming and not only Being, becoming Divine and not only being Divine. So that Wuodan who “screamed” in taking up the Runes - aligning to the vibrations of the cosmos - and “killed himself to himself”, who travels across all the worlds, is the divine energy of constantly expanding one’s own limitations. Second, that spirit of restlessness was further nurtured during the Migration Era, when our different tribes expanded beyond their original small area. Having achieved a certain level of going past the initial limitations, Wuodan came more to the forefront as Ziu/Tiwaz receded more in the background - always present of course, coming to the surface at times such as when he had to bind the forces of disorder (Fenrir) that had gotten out of hand (nor is that pun an accident, the secrets are in the words). For the Sky Father foremost represents balance whenever needed. But having reached a certain level of society, a separation from the initial origins and being truly Individuated through the restless spirit, Wuodan came more to the forefront.
Tyr may be etymological connected with some dutch words (my 2 cents) ; (dutch pronunciation is Tius, Tinus, dinsdag what relates also to roman Martinus, martius what in dutch translates as Merten or Maarten, the month is called Maart). Dier = animal, deer (animals serve or are subordinate to humans), german Tier dierbaar = precious, beloved, dear, dare ? daring ? dienst = service dienen = duty, to serve diender, dienaar, diener = servant dienstbaar = subservient gedienstig = obliging dienstknecht = helper, knight, henchman, serf, service-man deerlijk (old dutch) = fierce, strongly dierlijjk = animal, bestial godsdienst = religion eredienst = service, cult herendienst = serfage Dieren = a dutch place name tieren = to rage (like an animal) For slavic peoples the word slava (slave, serf) means brave or strong resuming ; for me Tyr translates as 'dear' or 'deer', not sure or this is a brother, father, helper or friend. It includes loyalty, strenght and bravery the Twin ( Gemini ) is sometimes referred to as the Binder and the Looser biblical the standing and falling angel ; Michael and Samael, king and priest the prince as upholder, defender and the priestly role as the accuser. Binder or Tier (to tie) could be a 'bound-man' or slave, knight, ally, witnesss Taai (sounds as tie) in dutch = tough in english aftaaien, afweren = to fend off, to ward off ; thus Tyr as a Warden, body-guard, buddy
I think there's a sense of weariness that he could have taught readers in this sequel and to avoid becoming blind to evil. It's a futile task of course.
My tin foil theory is that Tyr was extremely important and that’s why there’s not much on him. References and writing have been removed purposefully by our enemies to hide Tyr. It’s the same reason why they demonize the windmill of friendship.
Tyr is the sky god, becourse he was the one to make sure that fenrir does not devour the sun. and tge origin of tyr is the proto Vedic skygod Dev, wich also gives the origine if the word Devil, Devel was the Romani sungod. I have the theory of why the viking exchanged the the roles of Tyr with Odin, they thought that both the name and the function was too close to the Christian monoteistic God, so to rebel against that, they choose the Odin the frenzy, the shaman as their main and highest god instead.
But also war happens when justice meets the open sky above a field so all of those things might be part of a connected system called Tiw by the German descended peoples
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(North)Germanic Culture. Everything in Scandinavia is based on what the continental Germans already had, such as the animal style.
@@RackerPaSgermanic culture is from south scandinavia. The people were ”made” there. The germanic people did not just walk into Danmark and Sweden. Its a mix of diffrent people that made the germanic man and woman. Sure some culture aspects were imported, but the homeland and culture of the germanic people is Southern Scandinavia and small parts of northen germany.
@@RackerPaS Norse culture and Germanic Culture is both correct, however NORSE is more specific and of course has a lot of things that are just... Norse., Norse culture had seafaring traditions that are exceptional for example. Even among Norse there is differences so area/tribe etc also mattered etc. Edit; also agree with @galenbjorn443 here, we have our own specific mix of ancestry.
@@galenbjorn443 Your little part made up over 50% of the early Germanic world. The ice sheet that melted and made settlement possible slowly retreated from south to north. The Indo-Europeans, the immigrants, came from the east and turned to the northwest, which is how the Germanic peoples and Celts came into being.
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@@pappelg2639 Norce is only the part that remained pagan longer. There were hardly any differences until the 8th century.
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In the Netherlands, even up into the renaissance period, one had to speak law under the open sky.
There are even law buildings with ceilings that are sky painted in order to speak law inside.
Not sure how long this remained part of the legislation.
Where we're falling short in our theories of the "gods" is excluding history, anthropology, and DNA analysis. The Edda's, especially the poetic, are stories of embellishment of the Yamnaya type folk, (the Giants/consumers) who invaded the land of the Scandinavians. The former brought the lactose persistent gene, that is the sacred cow to the hunter/gatherer meat eaters, (Thor). The Æsir were the I1 haplogroup while the invaders from the south, the Vanir, Yamnaya type folk were the R1b. They eventually intermixed over time and created what we know today as the Swedes, Danes, and Norwegians. Týr was the first and most notable HG/I1 man to negotiate with the "giants", the consumers or the yamnaya people who wanted their lands, not unlike what they did to ancient Spain. The Yamnaya murdered every male Spaniard. In other words, they wanted it all. Týr sought peace with the invaders and through the Alþing used diplomacy to appease them. These Edda's are more ancient than we know. The same story is told in Greece with the same R1b Yamnaya type folk invading the region of the Hellenes. Hence the war between the Olympians and the Titans. There is a connection between the Hellenes and the Norse, especially when we get into Hyperborea, which is another story.
So we Scandinavian type folk are a composite people as are all modern Europeans. The Yamnaya 5k years ago changed the landscape of the continent. This analysis is just a brief, terse analysis of how I understand these embellished REAL stories of the Norse. Skál!
Another couple quick thoughts. First thanks for showing that the Fenris Wolf and Tyr are the origin of Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Totally makes sense.
Second possibly in the second aspect of the myth when Thor goes fishing Tir becomes the wind in his sails since he was formerly a sky God. This would suggest he may have given Thor the impetuous to go fishing in the first place so destiny could occur. Just a thought. Awesome post
My own theory on the story of Tyr and Fenrir is that fenrir is a wolf that cannot be sated. I think fenrir is a representation of greed, or theft, or corruption. He is the product of trickery (Loki) and to contain him, you must bring justice (tyr). It may cost you your right hand to do so, but to keep it under control you must punish even those that are the best of you (your right hand men)
From what I read about the mith of Fenrir biting Tyr, is that they were friends, the wolf is a concious being with their own ideals just like the other childs of loki. Tyr just needed to be loyal to the Æsir rules and do his best to dont hurt his wolf friend a the same time knowing chaining him meant sacrificing fenrir in order to maintain Tyrs place in asgard. Fenrir warned him that he hated the chains and would defend himself (bite Tyr) even if this breaks their friendship. Thats why Tyr also talks about being a good friend or loyal to a group...
The old Saxon poem is talking about night sky’s & being ever present, so potentially a star & an association with navigation? 21:07 a couple ties to trade & travel.
The separation of justice, war, etc could have been the source of other gods, so a source for other gods.
Dogs have long ties in other cultures to death & the underworld. Many cultures seem to have bodies being consumed by wild animals to enter into the afterlife so maybe the eaten had is a reference to being of both the living & the dead?
I like these brainstorming videos 💯 thanks!
Crecganford makes a case for Tyr being the son of the skyfather (Tyr-father) in later times.
I’ve always wondered that what if people didn’t abandon a God ie Tyr for Odin? Instead connected with the God that met their needs for the time. In times of war Tyr or Odin was awakened in the spiritual subconscious as in what Jung wrote about. In times of food shortages than Fryer or Thor. Ect…. So that the Gods were never abandoned but more awakened when needed. Just a thought.
Interesting
Thank you. I was hoping you would do a vid on Tyr. This helps me alot
Tiu's word (to Fenris) is his bond (the Wolf is imprisoned, but not slain):
his red hand (Mars; a sky god revealed in the Twilight) the cost of peace
to Oath-keepers, herald of War to Oath-breakers.
The most interesting place name in Sweden would be ”Tiveden” that combines Ti (Tyr) and veden (the forest) where a place called ”Trollkyrka” (Troll’s church) was recorded to be a place of Pagan practice.
Very interesting
I'm so happy you did this one thank you great video!!!
yk it’s a good day when thor uploads
I think you would like the channel "Frortress of Lugh" who looks into the origins of all things European, its people, their culture, modern day stories (he did a video on the ancient Germanic origins of Snow White) and many other interesting facets of things we think about but never ponder, until he makes a video about it.
His vids are very good
I Always enjoy your wisdom my friend ty for continuing your amazing videos … I hope life is treating you very well 😎 ✌️ ❤️
Those who kept to their ancestral worship were oppressed on all sides by those who had converted to Christianity. As they lost followers and territory they turned from war and justice (Tyr) to magic (Wotan) in an effort to prevent extinction.
There is a parallel to the Ghost Shirt movement among the Plains Indians as they were overwhelmed by the American cavalry.
Thank you for this! I thoroughly enjoy Maria’s work, it is incredible to read!
With the Greeks we see a parallel with the original sky father, Ouranos, losing a limb, which always has phallic symbolism, then replaced by Chronos, who in some ways has connections to Odin as somewhat chthonic figure and then replaced by the god of thunder and lightning.
I think succession in myth plays an important role for generations.
Dyeus Pitar in India also fades into the background...
Cronos/Cronos, not Chronos. While sometimes conflated, they were generally distinct entities (one being the Protogenoi of Time, the other the Titan of the harvest).
@@NevisYsbryd Good to know.
Well Dyaus pita's role is then occupied by rudra Shiva in which rudra apparently has the same root as odinn of being furious and rageful.
@@rtavanfascinating
Back at it again with another banger, Tak Mand
Dyeus is the original name of zeus the olypian god. Greek called him deus and zeus is a modern version of his name.
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Well, we know that, even if the name comes from the same source, Tiw/ Tyr can't just be "god," because Germans & Scandanavians had their own word for those things that is incongruent, but there should he some sort of correlation as to why this word survived as the name of a specific god. Assuming he is a sky god could be a possibility. I also know that, when being more specific in equating Tyr with Marsz they usually give him the title Thincsus- Mars of the Thing- so I looked up any political connections to Mars & got back that Mars' name had to be invoked before treaties were signed, right off the bat. My money, so far, is on him being a god of governing, or a god of general civilized behavior in humans- building homes, having a government, writing in runes, etc. Maybe the governing connection is why he's connected to war, because several gods are treated as important with regards to war. In many cultures where the sky god isn't the Creator, he is often the judge & ruler over disputes.
Old Norse language phrase,” A Gnawer of the Moon, a giant of the Gale Blasts, a curse of the rain-hall, a Companion of sibyl, a Night-roaming hag, and a Swallower of the loaf of Heaven,”. What does this Old Norse phrase mean in simple terms?
What does this mean in Old Norse,”moon of Hrungnir, wealth sucker of the giants, destroyer of the storm sun, companion of the seeress, and swallower of the sun,”. What does this mean? Is there a meaning to this? What does this mean in simple terms?
@@taylorfusher2997That one, I have no idea. If that's skaldic poetry, I'm not really familiar with the euphemisms & language of that.
You do a great job 👍
You're taking me into a deeper examination of the religious practices of my own family roots than I have been able to go on my own
Thank you
I heard once that Oden, Thor, and Tyr were aspects of a single sky god like Zeus and the aspects became individual gods over time. Tyr got the name
Sounds a lot like the Catholic trinity 😳
Thank you for sharing this amazing video, I appreciate all the research you have done to help us understand the past a little better. I once heard about the theory of Tyr being replaced by Odin in a few of the sagas, I was awesome to see how you were able to describe it from your perspective.
Thank you again, skal!
I recognize the norwegian rune poem from Heilung-Norupo
I thinkt he Nuada comparison is really apt. A lot of the cover of Nuada by Fortress of Lugh brings up many of the similar points and themes, and gives a lot of insightful and deeper material on some of them (such as Nuada as a celestial god of war and honor/justice and how that relates to humanity).
You honor us all! Thanks for what you do!
for the last part and trying to figure out the spiritual energy and how that Might related to him previously being a sky god; I think looking to cousin cultures is a very helpful tool. The greek concept of Pneuma and Breath for example would fit very nicely as a middle ground. You breath in the spiritual energy of the sky and that gives you life and power. The hot heavy breaths filling your lungs in battle keeping you alive and fighting, the urge to scream and shout and call out the the sky father as he fills your lungs with breath and accepts the offering you return to him.
great vid 💪 very deserved sub brother
Thank you for your informative videos.
10:48 connecting justice with battle: holmgang
I've been wanting a video on Tyr for a long time! :D 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Great video! Personally I believe that Tyr can be seen as the Great Creator/God who's present in our realm as an aspect of the
Sky Father😶🌫ᛏ He is the eternal sky, the creator of moon and sun 🌝🌞 This ties into the whole thing about balance and justice, for the sun and moon complement eachother. The sky is the highest authority and therefore ruler over law and justice. I believe that when warfare between the Germanic tribes and the Roman Empire escalated during the 2nd century, the Germanians needed the Frenzy/rage more than law, order, honor. Because they fought against an overwhelming foe, defending their homelands. Thus Odin/Wodan became their main God of War and not Tiwaz. Another note is that historians might have confused roles of the Gods as Aries/Mars ♈ where Gods of frenzy more like Wodan and not Gods of law and justice. Thus the Germanians God of war where primarily Wodan⚔and not Tiwaz, but Tiwaz was rather a God of law and justice⚖ Another note is about the symbol of Odin being one-eyed👁 It's said in the sagas that by sacreficing his eye, Odin could see over all the Worlds. This is related to the Sky father who obviously also could see everything.
Another great video, thank you!
Could you do a video on Garm?
Thanks for the overall video ⚔️
Brudda, Thank you for this video on TYR. Much deserved respect to the God Of Justice and War.
To TYR I give my worship, HAIL TYR.
Thanks for the share ….. Hope I can ask a question and perhaps get an answer 🍻
I have German and English roots/ancestors which I would like to learn more of . By this I mean my father left my mother and I when i only 3. His mother was German with last name “ Bearcutter “ i never learned the correct spelling as all letters trashed and my Grandmother whom I never meet seemed not to care about this side of family .
Here is question does anyone have idea of this family name and if so could you share it ?
Much appreciation for this sites creator and those supporting here ….. be well ✝️
Vidar in old serbian meant Healer.. i think its is still used in some parts of my country.
5:06 i like to think of that interpreto as similar to how we call all clouds in the sky by their name in our language and don't call clouds in china by the chinese words for cloud.
You seem intelligent. This is the first video of yours I have watched. I intend to watch more.
Definitely interesting interpretation from Kvilhaug.
I wonder if the right hand representing justice, and fenrir representing greed using that you could interpret fenri biting off tyrs right hand as greed corrupting
justice
Very informative. Thank you
Really great research and solid explanation. Curious if you have found any cross over of Tyr with the Phoenecian city of Tyre. I ascribe to a thought that Phoenecian sailors spread goods and language to the Mediterranean rather than the accepted migration from the Middle East to the Nordic regions and what is now the British Isles. I believe that before the Ice Age cultures of that area and further North started a migration South. It has never made sense that people living in temperate climates would move North to harder environs. Also there is a tremendous cross over in language and runes vs Hebrew and Aramaic letters. Seems to me the Shamans and Druids brought their knowledge South not the other way around.
Thanks for all your hard work on this channel.
kind of crazy how these things work out, i was just meditating on the nature of tyr ealier today, then this was uploaded. tyr was most associated i think with honor. honor in the old days was both good and terrifying, and many were killed for honor's sake. this was the origin of blood feud. honor governed the thing, the oaths of warriors to their kings, the strength of oaths and the payment of weregild. loki says he never brought peace to anybody, as the honor systems often caused as much chaos as they prevented. people went to war and died for honor and fame.
this honorable man is the only one brave enough to feed fenrir, wild violence. he is the one who volunteers his hand, much like odin volunteers his eye.
odin has a lot of overlap here, which might explain the lesser significance of tyr.
the sacrifice of his hand made the deception of fenrir "legal" as a sort of weregild, but also in symbolic context he pledged his right hand as an oath. people still pledge with their right hand today. this left tyr with his left hand, his sinister hand, probably a terrifying god, not so much loved as appeased, much like ares and mars.
it is said he is killed by garmr at ragnarok. this is very interesting, because there must be some symbolic reason for this. it implies that perhaps after passage into hel, the souls of the dead are retained there, or others are kept out, by a being that is the enemy of the honor-god, by a being of dishonor. remember this is not the same as being good or evil, as even baldr is among the "dishonorable dead." it simply implies that the honored dead continue their bond in the afterlife, while others await ragnarok, or are punished in nastrond.
Very interesting and informative video.
The end of the video exploded my mind
To Norse magic and belief:
Jacob Toddson wisdom of Odin says,” the undead is not called draugr, it’s called troll-curse or spirit or restless spirit,”. Glamr was not called a draugr but he was called a tröll. Is this true? I get different answers.
So far, with what I've looked into, any magic from any kind of spirit that is primarily deceptive or disorienting is being referred to as Troll Magic & Glamour is what we call that kind of spell in modern English, so there might be a connection. I don't really know of that helps, but that's all I've got, right now.
To @MrChristianDT:
Some experts says a troll is a spirit that helps people with magic. Some experts says a troll is interchangeable with jotun. Some experts say a troll is a synonym for jotun. Some experts say a troll is a synonym for monster. Some experts say it’s a being that is turned to stone during the daytime. Some experts say a troll is a monster. Some experts say a troll is a ogre. Some experts say a troll is a synonym for giant. Which one is it? Why are the experts not on the same page? Is there any fake influencers out there like me?
@@taylorfusher2997I have no idea, but there are a few things I ran into that make me think that, when these areas got Christianized, they either started combining concepts to sneak pagan traditions into Christianity, or they started making up new stuff.
One of the big ones was a rabbit hole I fell down last week about Berchta/ Frau Holle. The thing is somehow simultaneously considered the kind, female version of Krampus, a variation of the goddess Freya & some kind of troll, but up in Scandanavia, a Hulder- which, they are positive the names are of similar origin- is a completely different being altogether- some sort of female nature spirit with a cat or dog tail & a hollow back. Also, you have the Nixie, which is simultaneously described in different localities as being either a humanoid spirit, a mermaid, a water horse, or a dragon/ sea serpent. But, only with regards to the humanoid spirit is there actually a full explanation that gives it a role in the religious beliefs of the people attached. Every other version, it got turned into a random monster & sanitized.
To @MrChristianDT:
Old Norse language phrase,” A Gnawer of the Moon, a giant of the Gale Blasts, a curse of the rain-hall, a Companion of sibyl, a Night-roaming hag, and a Swallower of the loaf of Heaven,”. What does this Old Norse phrase mean in simple terms?
What does this mean in Old Norse,”moon of Hrungnir, wealth sucker of the giants, destroyer of the storm sun, companion of the seeress, and swallower of the sun,”. What does this mean? Is there a meaning to this? What does this mean in simple terms?
I figure that Tyr had fallen from "sky god" to a war god after it was said he was defeated by Oðínn in martial combat and then became Oðínn's chosen commander due to respect
Do you believe that Tyr is represented in Tacitus' creation story as Tuisto?
I'm dropping an all norse god Tyr song I've been working on it all last yr I'm giving you a song credit would anyone care to listen? drops nxt fri
I’m excited to hear it
Thanks for your interpretation! You help me a lot here, as I don't really have time digging in all the books, codex, inscriptions, etc. It's been a few years my intuition makes me believe that there is a link between the Norse Mythology and Siberian Shamanism.
1). In Siberian Shamanism, the "god" of creation is called Tengri, which means "Sky" for the ancient Mongols and Turks. This could be Tyr...
2). Again in Siberian Shamanism, the world is represented in a circle / wheel, where Tengri sits at the "top", followed by Ulgen (on the right), Umai (at the bottom) and Erlik (on the left). Tengri is the Creator, the energy of infinity, where time does not exist. At some point he created Umai (Mother Nature, energy of love, protection, etc.) and together they created Ulgen (energy of the sky, dreams and wishes), and Erlik (energy of tranformation). Tengri holds a bow and with it he shoots his arrows towards Umai so that new lives get born. Again here we have the rune Thurisaz, Tyr's rune...
3). The representation of the cycle of life is done like this: each human sits on a boat going down the river of life. Behind them is the past, in front of them is there future. This river pass in front of Umai and goes towards Erlik. At the end of the river, the human dies. If the death is normal, then he takes the bridge that leads to Tengri to get reincarnated (Bifrost bidge that links the Earth to the realm of the Gods?).
On the other hand, ff the death was sudden, without the person knowing for example, then he goes under the bridge, and goes down Erlik's realm (Hellhaim?) that leads to a cave, where he will terminate his course either in the lake of tears or in the lake of blood. There he will remain until someone helps him out (often a shaman).
There must be more to be listed, but I would need more time and RUclips is not ideal either...
Let me know your thoughts! And if you ever dig more into this, please share :)
I think I may have found a surprisingly helpful source of info. The Armenians also had a god named Tir. He is the god of art, wisdom, culture/ Civilized behavior & was the messenger of the gods. He was important enough to be referenced in their old calendar system & the Greeks considered him syncratic with Ares & Hermes. So, I'm all for assuming Tyr is the god of higher human thinking- He is associated with civilization & has authority over all that comes with that, law, wisdom, teaching, oaths, art, etc. I think that may also be why Nuada shares the hand thing for the Celts- Nuada is the first king after Dagda, therefore he is responsible for creating the entire system of Celtic civilization.
There is also an Etruscan moon goddess named Tiur. Not a whole lot of info on her, but I won't be shocked if/ when we work out their language if she shares a lot of similarities to this Armenian Tir.
thank you for the video!
Do the gods think of bad things as we do like murder something we see as bad is something they created in the first place we all plus all the natural disasters that happen
I think I may have found an interesting connection in Celtic culture- they believed that their gods had an original king- Nuada- who lost his hand, and so had to give up his kingship & be replaced with a different deity- Angus/ Bres. Given what I read, they probably aren't gods over the same things, but that could heavily imply that Tyr was the original king of the Aesir, but ended up giving the title to Odin. I'm also wondering if we have any mention anywhere of what happened to Odin's two brothers, because I've seen them get brought up once or twice, but then they go nowhere.
I just love the ideas and concepts expressed on this channel. IMO, the best source for animistic heathenry out here.
So Fenrir(Greed) bites off the giving hand (right hand) of Tyr🤔 Interesting concept to think about mythologically. Great video!
It makes sense that the Romans reported that earlier cultures believed gods were ancestors because this fits with the ancient Vedic teachings that we are all on a spiritual evolutionary path toward godhood. The gods were believed to have been ancestors who completed their evolutionary path, and who help us with ours. Gods are also archetypes, and I interpret Tyr's archetype as "just war", which would be similar to the Robin Hood archetype--preventing the more powerful from abusing the weaker; taking action that stops injustice. And when was the last "just war"? Thousands of years ago? Now all wars are about greed: honoring Fenris, not Tyr. No wonder the archetype died out.
Can you make a video on how to practice Norse paganism in a daily life?
Compare Tyr's interactions with wolves to Oðinn's.
Tyr has a wolf that he's afraid of, and he tries to restrains it. It works, until it doesn't and he has to injure himself to do it. The process damages him, and eventually those around him.
Oðinn's has two, both of whom have names that mean something like "greedy" that sit on either side of him. They're unrestrained, and he feeds them sometimes. They're not a problem.
There's a lesson about repressing oneself here.
not the literary lesson most would take from that comparison, especially given the related cognates with other mythologies
Odin being a strange outsider, or an aspect of Mannu having wolves and taking the spot of tyr both in the linguistic sense and in the pantheon would lead me to believe that if there is a connection to draw its that odin's wolves ate tyr's right hand, taking much of his power and role in the religion
Doesnt the wolfs names meant something like desire or willing??
Another great viedo brother. Skol
This was fascinating
Tyr reminds me of the Roman soldier's God Mithras (associated with covenant, light, oath, justice, the Sun, contracts, and friendship)
Totally random but is your mjolnir silver or bronze can’t tell sometimes lol
I'm so glad I found you on here. I may be from America, but I hate how people have to try to americianize everything. I try to follow oldest ways I can find. Hail Tyr!!!
perhaps Týr giving his hand to Fenrir was symbolizing the righteous judgement of Ragnarrök. Again, Týr was the God of judgement and perhaps Týr works chronically. Meaning, he’ll only be worshipped beginning and end.
Tyresö, tyringe, tyresta is some places in sweden😊
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Could Tyr be a reference to Polaris?
tyr means bull in norwegian right? And Krishna is associated with cows
One of the most interesting videos so far 👌🏼ᛏᛏᛏᛏᛏᛏᛏᛏ
Not necessarily, cause the rune of Tyr is tiwaz not tyr.... also what about anzus that's the rune of Odin..... the divine connection... so technically doesn't Odin have a rune as well if this is the case
Do you think that perhaps the time of warlords was more the time of Tyr where the time of Odin is the time of Jarls and kings? Tyr being a war God and also tied to justice and courage matches what a warlord may be,while a wise and ever travelling wisdom chaser may match up to Odin? Love the content brother, to your good health 🍻
The Celtic Lugh is almost like a halfway figure between Tyr and the stereotypical Sky Father figure. He is a war god who oversees oaths. He is a god of the harvest. He is also associated with wind and the sky. It is my belief that his spear is probably representative of lightning.
Ask Jackson Crawford, he has done a lot of work on Norse mythology and gods etc.
New gods always replace old gods. This is like a trend in human evolution. When you dig deeper you will find all sorts of old forgotten deity.
100% agree with Maria's theories on fenrir.
there´s some possible connected
words in modern finnish (probably
there´s more, just what jumped out
from my mind).
tirvaista=hit someone.
tyrkkiä=push someone.
tirahtaa=spill blood, or other liquid.
tyrnävä=place name.
tyyris=expensive.
tyrkyttää=to offer something.
tivata=to ask for something.
taivas=heaven.
fake words from the uralic
perspective, you can have them :)
ps. justice connection is common
here too for sky gods, they made
oaths to them, shouted many times
to the heavens (form of prayer)
and so forth.
In sources Tyr is more mentioned as a kenning for the other gods. especially Odin.
Thank you bro
Tyrsmere or Tyrs lake in England
I believe Tyr is one of Odin's brothers, along with Loki. Tyr's father is commonly thought to be Hymir...strangely similar to Ymir, who was the first being. Just as Odin has MANY names, I believe Loki and Tyr are alternative names for Vili and Ve. Tyr is the bravest and most noble of his brothers. I believe that Odin only became the Supreme God because Tyr sacrificed his fighting hand and his honor for the greater good when the Aesir bound Fenrir. With his broken heart and the loss of his sword hand, Tyr was replaced by Odin. Odin during ancient times was a God primarily worshipped by: elite rulers, poets, and outlaws. I think this is due to his connection with the runes. By discovering the runes (language) Odin paved the way for civilizations to arise. In ancient times only the elite and educated could read and write. By having thus skill, which Odin discovered, they were able to form nations and rule over large groups of people. Pretty sure I'm shadow banned on RUclips so this comment will more than likely not be seen...but it's the truth.
Loki is not Odin's brother. Loki was never worshiped and there are no place names dedicated to this traitor. Loki is chaos, the single line from the Lokesanna notwithstanding.
@allenturnage5024 Loki is often described as a blood brother of Odin...but ok dude. RAAAAAHH Berserker gang unite 🫃🧑🍼👼
@@Vidarboots dude thats so cringe... loki was NEVER worshipped, we have 0 place names in entire scandinavia, the EDDAS are NOT historical sources, these are written by a christian monk.
please get a brain u cringe wanna be viking.
What sources do you have to back that claim? Otherwise its hearsay@davidhall-4640
@midagards_wyrd_domain Hearasy?...I take that as a compliment, rather read the material and form my own opinions than follow a flock like a sheep. My sources are the Poetic Edda and critical thinking.
Who is the bear God?
Thank you for giving a fuller picture of a God to whom I feel connected but unfortunately not as much attested. Coming from a continental German rather than Norse background, I base my own opinion foremost on Tacitus (not that passage but Germania, 2.2-3) since it goes back to the common origins of our tribes. I then combine this with my own gnosis founded on, among other things, comparative mythology on the general motif of a Sky Father. So “Teuton” comes from the Latin corruption of Proto-Germanic *þeudō "people, tribe" clearly relates to þeudanaz -> Tiwaz -> Ziu, in the sense of the Sky Father giving Sovereignty. Thus the associations with the Thing and justice, or as I like to say "Sublime Protector of the Cosmic Order", i.e. the close connection between Natural and Cosmic Law.
Tacitus mentioning Mannus "man" born from the Earth - this is the "sacred marriage" of Sky Father and Earth Mother from which we arose truly indigenous to our respective lands. Considering scientific findings about panspermia (and mythology worldwide about our connection to the stars) "seeding" in different Biospheres, so that we arose out of this sacred marriage - we are from the elements, metals, and liquids of Earth as well as Cosmic materials of the stars. To this point there is obviously a lot of speculation and its highly esoteric, so I don’t expect too many to agree.
As for why Wuodan ultimately "overtook" Ziu, its only an apparent displacement. First, its no accident that his name also relates to the general term for “God” while those of Wuodan primarily relate to his various functions and actions - i.e. the active element of transcendence, Becoming and not only Being, becoming Divine and not only being Divine. So that Wuodan who “screamed” in taking up the Runes - aligning to the vibrations of the cosmos - and “killed himself to himself”, who travels across all the worlds, is the divine energy of constantly expanding one’s own limitations.
Second, that spirit of restlessness was further nurtured during the Migration Era, when our different tribes expanded beyond their original small area. Having achieved a certain level of going past the initial limitations, Wuodan came more to the forefront as Ziu/Tiwaz receded more in the background - always present of course, coming to the surface at times such as when he had to bind the forces of disorder (Fenrir) that had gotten out of hand (nor is that pun an accident, the secrets are in the words). For the Sky Father foremost represents balance whenever needed. But having reached a certain level of society, a separation from the initial origins and being truly Individuated through the restless spirit, Wuodan came more to the forefront.
My theory is that Tyr is the god you pray to when you are defending your home, while Odin is the god you pray to when you are out on a viking raid.
Tyr may be etymological connected with some dutch words (my 2 cents) ;
(dutch pronunciation is Tius, Tinus, dinsdag what relates also to roman Martinus, martius what in dutch translates as Merten or Maarten, the month is called Maart).
Dier = animal, deer (animals serve or are subordinate to humans), german Tier
dierbaar = precious, beloved, dear, dare ? daring ?
dienst = service dienen = duty, to serve diender, dienaar, diener = servant
dienstbaar = subservient gedienstig = obliging
dienstknecht = helper, knight, henchman, serf, service-man
deerlijk (old dutch) = fierce, strongly dierlijjk = animal, bestial
godsdienst = religion eredienst = service, cult herendienst = serfage
Dieren = a dutch place name tieren = to rage (like an animal)
For slavic peoples the word slava (slave, serf) means brave or strong
resuming ; for me Tyr translates as 'dear' or 'deer', not sure or this is a brother, father,
helper or friend. It includes loyalty, strenght and bravery
the Twin ( Gemini ) is sometimes referred to as the Binder and the Looser
biblical the standing and falling angel ; Michael and Samael, king and priest
the prince as upholder, defender and the priestly role as the accuser.
Binder or Tier (to tie) could be a 'bound-man' or slave, knight, ally, witnesss
Taai (sounds as tie) in dutch = tough in english
aftaaien, afweren = to fend off, to ward off ; thus Tyr as a Warden, body-guard, buddy
For Tyr!
I think there's a sense of weariness that he could have taught readers in this sequel and to avoid becoming blind to evil. It's a futile task of course.
Mars God of War. Why Norse people used both hands as he lost his right by Feint It explains left handiness.
FINALLY
I'm getting a feeling that we are given an essoteric teaching of the metaphysical sort . Hmm!
My tin foil theory is that Tyr was extremely important and that’s why there’s not much on him. References and writing have been removed purposefully by our enemies to hide Tyr. It’s the same reason why they demonize the windmill of friendship.
Tyr is the sky god, becourse he was the one to make sure that fenrir does not devour the sun. and tge origin of tyr is the proto Vedic skygod Dev, wich also gives the origine if the word Devil, Devel was the Romani sungod. I have the theory of why the viking exchanged the the roles of Tyr with Odin, they thought that both the name and the function was too close to the Christian monoteistic God, so to rebel against that, they choose the Odin the frenzy, the shaman as their main and highest god instead.
Yet we mark our weapons with his mark ‼️
Hello brothers and sisters
But for me it was a tuesday
The Romans were wrong, Tiw is not Mars, Tiw is the Sky and Justice, Tiw is the Germanic language way of saying Zeus or Jove
But also war happens when justice meets the open sky above a field so all of those things might be part of a connected system called Tiw by the German descended peoples
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