500 showers heated from one small compost pile - jean pain style

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  • Опубликовано: 25 дек 2024

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  • @NathanielWolfe
    @NathanielWolfe 12 лет назад +8

    thank you so much for this...I'm pretty sure this is the method I am going with in order to keep my aquaponics greenhouse and fish tanks warm over the winter months here in Central PA.

  • @LehmannTheGTO
    @LehmannTheGTO Год назад

    2 Days ago, i was searching for compostheater ideas, found this video and thought: "Nice! Paul Wheaton finally tried to heat with compost (i know plenty of your videos and discussions about RMH's and also visit permies every once in a while. and i would love to visit the infamous Wheaton Labs. who wouldnt? ;) )".
    Now, when i actually DID see the video, i recognized its from 13 years ago xD
    Anyways, you, all the international volunteers or guests and your companions did and still do a great job! You and your forum helped me with a lot of questions about the different forms of heaters, how to build them and so on.
    THANK YOU VERY MUCH
    I hope you can continue with what youre doing and i wish you all the best from the middle of Germany. Stay healthy and happy.

  • @elainegilbert719
    @elainegilbert719 10 лет назад +6

    This idea has such possibilities....I appreciate all of you who are working to make it more efficient and user friendly....keep at it and don't give up!

  • @mariotommadich4685
    @mariotommadich4685 11 лет назад +8

    That's a nice Idea. Also the horticultural aspect with the parallel mushroom growing is excellent.

  • @jcfdillon
    @jcfdillon 13 лет назад +1

    If you have a compost pile outdoors like that, with food scraps being added every day, and some other organic materials being added, possibly with some adequately aerated but also insulated box sorta thing, it would be possible to get hot water all winter I think. Just have to control the aeration a bit so that the cooling rate from outdoor cold air is not too much to overcome the heating effect of the composting. Also the hot water can heat the floor heating system of a small house I think.

    • @LehmannTheGTO
      @LehmannTheGTO Год назад

      Jean-Pain has build the size you are looking for ;)

  • @emwavemhz
    @emwavemhz 12 лет назад +2

    Yes! I was thinking of using a cylinder with some heat sinking on the outside with a thermal connection to the thermal conductors with heat collecting at the center thus creating a thermal difference between the center on one side of the thermal conductors and the outer part to the opposite side of the thermal conductors.

  • @EAvery
    @EAvery 11 лет назад +3

    I personally would restrict the soap to biodegradable, castille soaps, etc. I think most hippies like me who would shower outside would be conscious of this. They would probably despise the idea that everyone needs 20 different kind of soaps that are made from petroleum byproducts and have huge marketing budgets. All I have to say is "All-One" Dr. Bronner's Magic soap.

  • @royalspin
    @royalspin 5 лет назад

    Obviously not for someone who likes long showers but definitely a pretty cool idea that can be scaled up for other uses like heating a greenhouse or even a home or storing the hot water in a tank for later usage etc etc.

  • @truthlivesonyou
    @truthlivesonyou 12 лет назад

    thats already being done.
    There are bigger designs with an entire first floor devoted to compost and many have chickens, rabbits etc inside which give off body heat and the greenhouse helps keep them warm as well.

  • @royhoco5748
    @royhoco5748 3 года назад +1

    compost is a wonderful heat source for a winter greenhouse

  • @davidoutdoors74
    @davidoutdoors74 4 года назад +4

    Great video . I'm trying to make hot compost to heat my biogas digesters. The digesters make enough biogas to power my small gas generator. My food scraps power things are my house pretty cool.

  • @paulwheaton
    @paulwheaton  12 лет назад

    We did the math on this at permies. Supposing that the system cooled to legionella reproduction temps and sat unused for two weeks, there would be 20 seconds of heavy legionella and then the system would be empty.

  • @paulwheaton
    @paulwheaton  14 лет назад +1

    @Ferior2047 yup - the jean pain stuff, and this technique have been discussed thoroughly at the permies forums.

  • @andrewtowell6074
    @andrewtowell6074 10 лет назад +1

    They will be hot running water on my allotment with this I think. The possibilities are endless, maybe even underfloor heating in your shed, very interesting stuff.

  • @emwavemhz
    @emwavemhz 12 лет назад

    This gave me a thought. One could make a thermocouple battery this way. A thermocouple is a device consisting of two different conductors (usually metal alloys: Iron/copper) that produce a voltage, proportional to a temperature difference, between either ends of the two conductors. Deep space probes used this for their power. However, the heat source was a decaying isotope pile. For a green battery use a compost pile in the same way.

  • @paulwheaton
    @paulwheaton  11 лет назад

    We have workshops on rocket mass heaters and farmstead meatsmith coming up in october. Tomorrow is the last day for the earlybird price. And we plan on having a shower system using the compost heating.

  • @EAvery
    @EAvery 11 лет назад

    exactly! It has to do with heat as the hay decomposes and dries out. The heat will dry out the "top" of the bale and even make it catch fire, so you turn it over.

  • @Jex134
    @Jex134 12 лет назад

    Here in Canada we can't use basic composting methods like this, because 60-70% of the year its either too cold for the bacteria to decompose anything, or its frozen solid.
    .
    Thus we use anaerobic digesters made from metal trash cans. Using a heatsink coil in the bottom, center, and edges of the digester, we can draw heat when its running too hot, either to directly heat our house water, or run our sterling engine---we also use its methane for fuel, and run-off for liquid & solid compost

  • @ssc5140
    @ssc5140 10 лет назад +3

    I love this idea. Just need to tweak it some for my particular needs.

  • @icicicles
    @icicicles 13 лет назад +1

    Nice idea Brian, first time seeing this idea.
    Be careful of the compost pile being to close to any structures because I've seen them ignite before. Love your idea!

  • @paulwheaton
    @paulwheaton  13 лет назад

    @vernsixjr come on out to the forums at permies.com and find the thread on the jean pain method. In that thread you will find one that lasted for more than a year.

  • @Joewalshe38
    @Joewalshe38 11 лет назад +6

    interesting. A few things I don't understand. You said many people could take a morning shower. So where is the hot water stored. When the waetr in the hose is used up wouldn't it be replaced by cold water until that cold water then heated up.
    Also, doesn't the compost need to be turned or is it more like decomposing hay.
    How do you get water pressure for the shower. Is the water pumped through the system when shower is switched on ?

    • @paulwheaton
      @paulwheaton  11 лет назад +5

      If you take a look at this thread: www.permies.com/t/28737/pp/hot-water-compost-pile you will see where Brian has been refining this for several years now and he has posted updated pictures.

    • @Joewalshe38
      @Joewalshe38 11 лет назад

      paul wheaton Thanks. MIght do that after I have a shower myself :)

    • @ImprovisedSurvival
      @ImprovisedSurvival 7 лет назад

      I wonder if enough copper piping is coiled inside the compost that you could get on demand hot water like with tankless water heaters without storing it.

  • @rubert134
    @rubert134 13 лет назад

    @SickSh0ck I'm not sure if that's sarcasm but anyway the bacteria breaking down the organic matter generate heat. A compost pile can get pretty hot. Not sexually but temperature.

  • @israelhydroponics8659
    @israelhydroponics8659 11 лет назад +3

    but how do you maintain the pile? do you need to flip the pile over every now and then? does the pipe loop need to be at the bottom of the pile?

    • @wormwood6424
      @wormwood6424 5 лет назад +1

      Lol. Just keep adding to it..

  • @johnnyfontenot682
    @johnnyfontenot682 11 лет назад

    Brilliant Paul! My compost pile here in Laguna Beach gets so hot I have often wondered what I can do with the BTU's generated. You sir have just showed me now what I have been looking for. Thank you

  • @angryadrien
    @angryadrien 14 лет назад +3

    1:11 I love the candid shot of the cat!
    MEOW! Close da door! I'm in da shower!

  • @WotanFoss
    @WotanFoss 11 лет назад

    Very cool. One thing though, what about the soap and shampoo run off you use when showering?

  • @paulwheaton
    @paulwheaton  14 лет назад

    @peetrwilson My impression is that they buzzed about the farm and got a little of this and a little of that. Probably some funky hay, some funky straw, some weeds, some cow pies, etc.

  • @davidjay1923
    @davidjay1923 10 лет назад +2

    I am thinking of doing same thing except: compost pile in insulated shed, using plastic containers to hold/rotate. You put one plastic barrel in shed sideways as easy plumbing that way on top, 45 gallon hot water tank as result... gravity feeding water system so pressure not a problem. If you have high pressure you instead would stick bunch of pipe into the hot water barrel.

    • @Ihaveausernametoo
      @Ihaveausernametoo 9 лет назад

      +David Jay Did you do it? If so, how did it go? I should work. If you insulate it it can even get too hot so be careful!

  • @PatriciaHenry
    @PatriciaHenry 11 лет назад +1

    I love alternative forms of energy. This is great info if I ever need to build a shower like this. I prefer my indoor bath/shower for now. :)

    • @philxdev
      @philxdev 6 лет назад +1

      sry but what does this have to do with having the shower outside?? nothing. You could easily integrate this in your house plumbing and it could switch electrinically to use the outside compost heated water to feed your boiler. if the heat of the compost isn´t enough the rest of the heat could be produced by whatever you use now... and you do not need to change a lot to make this happen.

    • @jerrymaxey3090
      @jerrymaxey3090 4 года назад

      Yep just a 100 foot water hose

    • @LehmannTheGTO
      @LehmannTheGTO Год назад

      @@philxdev well said

  • @SoftSailz
    @SoftSailz 12 лет назад

    do you know how many feet of hose was used in the compost pile?

  • @BooGooNFlowoo4Evoo
    @BooGooNFlowoo4Evoo 13 лет назад

    How long does the water have to sit inside the hoses inside the pile to get hot? That's the big question.

  • @paulwheaton
    @paulwheaton  12 лет назад

    You want to google "jean pain method" to hear about a compost pile to heat your house, fuel your cook stove, provide hot water and run your truck a little for 18 months.

  • @peetrwilson
    @peetrwilson 14 лет назад

    So what were the compost piles made out of? was it just hay? very interesting video, thank you.

  • @EAvery
    @EAvery 11 лет назад

    a large pile (5 ft+ or 1.5m+ cubed) that is not packed down and has the appropriate ratio of carbon to nitrogen materials (30 C to 1 N) would do quite well being turned only once a year. You could just incorporate the old into the new the next spring.

  • @SoftSailz
    @SoftSailz 12 лет назад

    thats pretty good. the more hose the more water i guess. you could do dishses and stuff with it too. how long does the pile stay heated before you have to turn it over?

  • @sacredsoul09
    @sacredsoul09 12 лет назад

    I don't understand the heat sink idea. What do you use as a heat sink? Care to comment or shoot me an informative link? Thanks!

  • @BooGooNFlowoo4Evoo
    @BooGooNFlowoo4Evoo 13 лет назад

    @finleyalicia I suppose so. As long as you can make sure that there are no hose punctures and the temp stays on the high range of 140 degrees (possible, but not always in a compost pile) then there shouldn't be any problems. However, a hose puncture/temperature variation could mean you're showering in some fairly bacterial stuff, especially if you're the first person to use the showers that day.

  • @OffGridInvestor
    @OffGridInvestor 11 лет назад

    where i grew up we used to have big round hay bales catch on fire if they weren't rolled over every week or two. i believe its something to do with moisture inside or something. i forget. reminds me all of this.

  • @42tomasz
    @42tomasz 11 лет назад

    What about the plastic leaching? Does it obviously decompose with the heat?

  • @andreawhisenant2718
    @andreawhisenant2718 7 лет назад

    Great idea! I'll have to build on my off grid cabin lot.

  • @benice3117
    @benice3117 11 лет назад

    I'm sure there are plastics that don't decompose too. It depends on what the plastic is made of. I'm not sure of the leaching but if you find out what type of plastic it is then you could look it up. Copper would be ideal because it conducts heat better but it is more expensive nowadays.

  • @oarfrost
    @oarfrost 14 лет назад

    @bobparks "I can never find enough nitrogen-based material to keep my pile that hot. Looks like this site is near a farm with lots of weeding and produce leftovers. "
    I was thinking the same thing myself. There must have been about 2 cubic yards of material in that heap. Three fit lads could probably fill the compost bin in that time, but it would be a bugger of a job finding enough green plant life to keep the pile hot.
    Still, I might give it a shot this summer.

  • @Marialla.
    @Marialla. 13 лет назад

    I can see how this is built, coiling the poly pipe while layering the compost. But how is it unmade when it's time to empty and spread the compost? I'd be afraid to stick a shovel or fork near the water pipe or hose.

  • @intheocean007
    @intheocean007 11 лет назад

    Is the plastic hose safe to heat to that temp & not give off some nasty by products which can be absorbed by the skin?

  • @timrockman7
    @timrockman7 6 лет назад

    Use pallets to make a tall box of compost. Wood chips, cuttings, Azomite, manure, charcoal.

  • @Migueldeservantes
    @Migueldeservantes 13 лет назад

    Great work! but Why not to insert it on a large bag and pull out all the methane for cooking or heat?

  • @genmama1955
    @genmama1955 13 лет назад

    Wow! I never knew compost could heat water! You learn something new every day I guess.

  • @finleyalicia
    @finleyalicia 13 лет назад

    @BooGooNFlowoo4Evoo It doesn't take long because the water is running through a 100 feet of hose inside 140 degree compost pile.

  • @jaymzgaetz2006
    @jaymzgaetz2006 5 лет назад

    So could I connect a garden hose to my water heater drain spigot and run it outside with a copper coil on the other end embedded in the compost pile so its heating the water inside of the tank to reduce power consumption?

  • @RickMHobson
    @RickMHobson 13 лет назад

    I wonder if you could use the hot water to flash vaporize propane and run a small turbine generator? A compressor could re-liquify the propane for cycling back through the system. I also wonder how hard it would be to "reload" the compost pile?

  • @SoftSailz
    @SoftSailz 12 лет назад

    its not just shit. you can use food in compost as well. organic matters...leaves...grass....etc

  • @DavidTrees
    @DavidTrees 11 лет назад

    This concerns me a bit I must say.
    I love the idea, will look at the google search for Jean Pain Method as suggested.
    Why Legionella? I thought that was mainly transmitted in air conditioning due to cooling towers water becoming stagnant over winter? Or am I mistaken... ?
    How can Legionella enter the system if it's sealed water pipes? I mean the connectors are not inside the compost heap itself.
    What section on permies do you discuss this Paul? I am a member.

    • @philxdev
      @philxdev 6 лет назад

      +David Trees You are absolutely right... there is absolutely no higher risk of legionella than there was before since it is a closed system.. you could route the drinking water from your house through the closed system of the compost in the garden to heat your waterboiler with it, if the heat is not enough you could still heat it up the rest of the way with your conventional heating method. so this is absolutely integratable into currently used systems and with some planning it only requieres you to build two composts (one used and another one to switch to if the first one is out of heat) in the garden that should be maintened once a year.

  • @babyhorsey6
    @babyhorsey6 12 лет назад

    Ok so maybe I'm not understanding it but I think this could be used to add hot water to a swimming pool, or to heat a swimming pool by running the water out of the pool through the filter then through the pile and back into the pool with hot water?

  • @paulwheaton
    @paulwheaton  13 лет назад

    @brentbps1 solar heat is more likely to breed legionella bacteria than this method.

  • @bbruce995
    @bbruce995 11 лет назад

    someone did this in Europe, they lived off the heat for more than 18 months, and also collected methane for their vehicle and stove

  • @MikeKincaid79
    @MikeKincaid79 11 лет назад +3

    That's awesome

  • @helkyrie
    @helkyrie 14 лет назад

    So so so inspiring - so excited to make ours!!!

  • @pshapiro
    @pshapiro 9 лет назад +3

    Thank you very mulch!

  • @kimberlylistrud4096
    @kimberlylistrud4096 11 лет назад

    That is pretty darn awesome!

  • @cancundriven
    @cancundriven 11 лет назад

    Bet I could use this to heat my aquaponics system during the winter....thanks! Do you still run coarses on permaculture?

  • @gavoau
    @gavoau 14 лет назад

    20 people having a shower every morning ,right?... how long was each shower and what was the recharge time between each shower?

  • @Myrrdin23
    @Myrrdin23 13 лет назад

    SO COOL! The withdrawal of heat didnt harm the compost I hope ;)

  • @ghosturiel
    @ghosturiel 11 лет назад

    I wonder, how well would this heating system work in conjunction with composting your waste to make humanure.

  • @rattans2829
    @rattans2829 11 лет назад

    The underground temperature below four feet does not change( Walipini green house experts say). They also say even in severe winter temp is about 40 OC,so my suggestion is to dig a trench about four feet below the ground and move copper wire ( best heat exchanger) in the trench and cover it with the soil, compact it, . to be safer side use 1/2" copper pipe as long as you can afford, say 16 to 20 yards, once water move through copper wire has picked up the temperature from soil thermal heat, then let your pipe to go through decomposing compost, compost always has temp 60 O C or more . Make sure to cover the compost pit with double plastic by keeping some space, and in space let the to circulate air, or put some better insulation material but cheap, say wood saw dust or any other perlite etc, will be the best choices. Hope then there won't be any shortage of hot water for even 12-20 adult persons in open bamboo bathroom and that too in freezing temp. They can use limitless water as compost has to raise only 10-15 degree centigrade, What are your comments

    • @philxdev
      @philxdev 6 лет назад

      +Tejinder Singh this is used for heatpumps for over 30 years..

  • @loufromlou
    @loufromlou 14 лет назад

    @jackslaughters what are you referring to? I don't think most americans do that.

  • @asdfpslund
    @asdfpslund 14 лет назад

    Impressive! What a great idea!

  • @tRtR-vn8bx
    @tRtR-vn8bx 11 лет назад

    Can you please tell me how to supply fresh air to the pile when the temperature drops. I don't think turning the pile is a good idea because the heat will be lost to the atmosphere. If you recommend the turning method,then how should the coil be removed.

    • @jerrymaxey3090
      @jerrymaxey3090 4 года назад +1

      Johnson sue bioreactor your welcome

    • @jerrymaxey3090
      @jerrymaxey3090 4 года назад

      Or Jerry maxey's Johnson sue biomeilar

  • @PapaWraiths
    @PapaWraiths 9 лет назад

    how long the water sit in the hose? caue stagnent water not so good =\??

  • @podboq2
    @podboq2 12 лет назад

    compost doesn't get hot as a result of sun exposure, it gets hot due to chemical reactions and aerobic microbial activity in the rotting plant material.

  • @twomiracles
    @twomiracles 14 лет назад

    amazing idea! love it!

  • @liamdinan4412
    @liamdinan4412 9 лет назад

    Just read comments and coolworld's question was not answered..the question was
    how long does it take to heat up because every 50 feet of pipe only takes 1 gallon of water...how many gallons of water do you use for a 5 or 10 minute shower and what shower head was used..? Answer would be nice

    • @paulwheaton
      @paulwheaton  9 лет назад +2

      Liam Dinan I bet we have 30 threads about this at permies.com. Complete with pictures, videos and all sorts of variations on the theme. And Brian gives us updates A quick search:
      www.permies.com/t/28737/labs/hot-water-compost-pile
      www.permies.com/t/2667/energy/hot-showers-small-compost-pile
      www.permies.com/t/5360/energy/efficient-compost-heated-shower
      www.permies.com/t/5360/energy/efficient-compost-heated-shower
      www.permies.com/t/7941/energy/Compost-Heated-Shower

  • @Topazman12
    @Topazman12 13 лет назад

    This is great.

  • @blackswaneducation3509
    @blackswaneducation3509 11 лет назад

    This is soo cool!

  • @auntynette7503
    @auntynette7503 11 лет назад

    LMAO!!! LOVE IT! Absolutely, love it!!!!!

  • @sly2kusa
    @sly2kusa 13 лет назад

    Now that is awesome!

  • @THESEARETHESHORTDAYS
    @THESEARETHESHORTDAYS 9 лет назад +4

    THE SOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Put a piece of tape over your mike when it's that windy! Or a sock. THIN piece of tape. THIN sock.

  • @Jackzorz
    @Jackzorz 11 лет назад

    So awesome!!!

  • @TobyChampion
    @TobyChampion 13 лет назад

    Great topic. Windshield on the mic. Sticky out things on the camera lens. Then I could hear it all!

  • @roberthanan
    @roberthanan 12 лет назад

    what a great idea, i,ve started to build me a rain water colledtion system for my drinking water cause I,m tired of poison water

  • @paulwheaton
    @paulwheaton  15 лет назад

    True. But this is the only footage I have.

  • @kansasgardener5844
    @kansasgardener5844 7 лет назад

    Smart idea!

  • @littleglowbunny
    @littleglowbunny 12 лет назад

    brilliant!

  • @bobparks
    @bobparks 14 лет назад

    I can never find enough nitrogen-based material to keep my pile that hot. Looks like this site is near a farm with lots of weeding and produce leftovers.

  • @1wicked2008
    @1wicked2008 13 лет назад

    wouldn't it be better if the shower was down hill from the compost pile.at leased 8 feet over head...i love this ideal..and plan on doing it after the weather breaks here..bamboo is a great ideal for privacy but has alot of maintenance so it don't get out of control.how about a cob wall around it with a roof i think it would be alot better less maintenance and cheap and ez to build with..just a thought..bamboo's not native over here and may take over the landscape over time thx 4 the ideal tho

  • @loufromlou
    @loufromlou 14 лет назад

    doesn't the compost pile have to be turned? doesn't seem like you could turn it with the hose intertwined. Great idea though. I would just shovel the old stuff to a new location in a garden or something and keep building them every two months.

  • @warrenlc57
    @warrenlc57 11 лет назад +2

    I can use this for living in my tipi

  • @jeanineadele
    @jeanineadele 13 лет назад

    Maybe build a little wooden enclosure screen for privacy. Great idea!

  • @loleini1213707
    @loleini1213707 11 лет назад

    wow...just wow

  • @12tman12
    @12tman12 13 лет назад

    @JustDiploid Then pity you didn't stick around until grade 6. He's got 100 feet of piping in there, that's more than you'll get in your basic heat exchanger at home.

  • @ScowlingWolf
    @ScowlingWolf 11 лет назад

    sweet im gonna try

  • @elbow7565
    @elbow7565 8 лет назад

    Very cool

  • @WorldStove
    @WorldStove 15 лет назад

    love it!

  • @yodellikeyoumeanit09
    @yodellikeyoumeanit09 13 лет назад

    Crazy hippie shit. I love it

  • @unit411
    @unit411 9 лет назад

    bamboo can be very invasive, dont put it near anything cement.

  • @xooxbox
    @xooxbox 11 лет назад

    the only time i would find this useful is during a power outage but it seems interesting

  • @84adl2012
    @84adl2012 11 лет назад

    AWESOME!

  • @rollingstopp
    @rollingstopp 13 лет назад

    got milk -got hot water= peace

  • @illuminationclub
    @illuminationclub 13 лет назад

    You people should be running America........

  • @paulwheaton
    @paulwheaton  12 лет назад

    100 feet.