interesting that so many comments say this is not appropriate for x, y or z... Jean Pain was primarily a forester - intent on reducing fire fuel load within the forest he managed, the big team of people working were primarily there for that purpose; the heat, methane and compost were a beneficial byproduct of these efforts. Otherwise, the cleared material would have been burned or chipped or just oxidized getting compost from it after getting heat and power is a great outcome... By looking at the recourses he had at hand he came up with a system that used those resources and worked for him... We each need to come up with systems that work for us... for some of us, this system might well work.
I first heard of Jean Pain in an article in Mother Earth News, not sure which year or issue but any body could order a copy, i beleive he was an innovator using what he had in a sustainable way. Im glad someone tookmthe time to post these videos. I believe that everyone can find a way in their own environment, to make less of an impact on there carbon footprint as Jean did we just have to think outside the box.
I think this is an appropriate technology for that region. Where I live the shrubbery grows a lot faster than eight years because of a warmer, more humid climate, so it would be very suitable in my bioregion. By contrast, a desert area could harvest more solar energy, a windy area more wind power, etc.
This just strikes me as so seriously awesome, and the fact that we have two brothers (David and Charles Koch) and their ilk that have worked and prevented any of this to coming to pass, so that we are stuck killing our planet, polluting our air, and here in the Southwest, suffering from major forest fires. America, when WILL we wake UP?
4:29. Jean is not concerned with removing 'things that can rot', he is interested in removing things which can burn. When the fuel hazards are removed, or pulverised and left spread in situ, the forest is not likely to burn. This practice is excellent for the forest, our air quality, and in general everything else. In other words, removing the fuel results in more wood in the forest, not less, as fire mercilessly destroys everything, and does very serious 'collateral' damage also. 5:45 - 'You can get more energy from the wood than burning it.' Yes, far more, more than ten times as much in fact,
Yes Johnny, watch pt.2 and you'll see just how efficient the whole process really is! @polylingue did you not see the wee compressor just at the beginning? There are many more examples of this amazingly simple technology at work on here!! ENJOY!
Many thanks for loading the video! I had no idea it existed. SO informative compared to the one and only Readers Digest article I was refering to when creating the wikipedia entry on him.
ok, is there anyone else here who feels that this man died young? I would not be surprised if he met an untimely death by the hands of those who stood the chance to lose a lot if this info got out. What a loss but what a wonderful gift given to us who use RUclips to gain knowledge. Be well all and Namaste.
Obviously this is pretty cool and all that stuff but you need to have a good amount of time and effort to dedicate to achieving this result which may or may not happen depending on what you use . Mr Paine had a small army of volunteers for building this heap and he had all the proper tools to complete this project . Size is key to success or failure . A good size for a biomeiller system is 20X20 and at least 8 to 12 ft deep which if done right will last several months . I see great promise for biomass energy production using waste products on an industrial scale .
I don't agree with some of the negative remarks but agree that it would take effort for it to take place in a city setting. Our city uses brushed off limbs from around power lines, downed trees & so forth as mulch around city trees. However just as we should be growing permaculture in waste areas of cities we could grow, fast growing willows from cuttings as example. More efficient methods of harvest could be used by cities. Even turning off 1000 lights helps.
This is amazing !! I can't believe that local councils (UK) are not devising these on a large scale in light of peak oil...it is such a better answer than growing rapeseed for biomass...surely quick growing willow coppices would be ideal for this type energy extraction from composting. How feasible is it for a town garden, anyone any ideas?
13 years later and still they care way more about their shares in energy companies than either the planet or its inhabitants. The key is to do it yourself instead of relying on anyone else! What a brilliant system for sustainable, renewable energy.
If you're still there 13 years later, did you manage to get anywhere with it? Years ago I used to look at my compost heap smouldering away and think, hey, that's renewable energy right there, but sadly, a horrible marriage to the wrong person got in the way and I had to leave that place with the big garden...time to try again!
PPS I used anything on my old compost heap, from veg peelings to grass cuttings to tree/hedge cuttings, the leaves and stems from harvested veg plot... rotting apples and pears (could have made cider, haha)...but found when I put woodchip on there it was at its hottest and really smouldered.
I'm trying to find out the chemical composition of Polyethylene pipe (HDPE) (as used in this video and most other compost hot water systems), and whether any toxins are released at or near 60degC. When burned, HDPE released Hydrochloric acid gas. But so far nothing to say it does this at the relatively low temps of compost. I might need to take a trip to the local university.
He use hasard wood he been very addaptable an creative, I know some people can criticise but for is particular need and problem he been really smart. Rather than critisise his invention please fid something who work for you. Nobody says that we all will have to cut wood again but we all will have to be creative with our ressource to provide us our need and also to give back to nature.
If you run a tractor on methane produced by this method, then it becomes much less "petro intensive." Additionally this can be used as a heat source to run an ethanol still, thus making more than enough heating fuel to produce ethanol to run chainsaws as well as tractors and your car. It is all in the application of what you get from it, using the products to start them again. It makes a complete cycle when you use this for heat and power, if you dont rely on oil based fuel or transportation.
Help needed. The Wikipedia article for Jean Pain has been nominated for deletion due to not having enough credible references! Can you give me the exact title, producer and director of this video?
@HotSauceJohnny First, you missed the statement that it takes 8 years for just one hectare of forest to generate that much brush. So you only need about 8 hectare (20 acres) for a continuous harvest. You also appear to be missing the fact that fuel was not the only product. Hot water and compost were also produced.
@ozricbish This would work where bushes are naturally abundant. Else you would deplete the soil of nutrients and you would need fertilizer more and more. However using grass is not a bad idea.
I was originally impressed by this, but now think of it as more of an experiment. The math doesn't work. First, It took so many people to build this system for a house for two people. Then, 500 liters of fuel = 132 gallons of gasoline. A very efficient home can use the equivalent of that for hot water and propane/natural gas. The system yields 18 months of fuel and hot water , but the narrator said that it takes 8 years for a forest to regenerate the 40 tons of wood. Am I missing something?
Yes, you're missing that jean was working as forest guard who was responsible for clearing forests from dense brushs that cause forest fire, he was restricted in the amount of biomass he can take from a single hectare. According to research, a forest produce 10T/H/year of biomass in total, not account for losses due to biodegradation of biomass in soils and it's taking into account total living wood. means if you extract the 10Ton/H each year, the forest will not grow and will be stagnant. So, jean was extracting half the maxium sustainable amount. In damp forests the humid conditions makes so that that excess biomass is degraded or go in subsoil. But in relatively dry climates, the biomass dry an become subject to forest fires that unfortunately kills even the living trees. that 10T/H/Year means 1Kg/m2/year and is 13wh/day. I think it's enough for a small family to be totally autonomous. But it all depends on efficiency of the use of that raw energy.
@benjamindees ?? I said all of those things in my post (8 years, one hectare, hot water, fuel). Sounds like a lot of fun, but it's just not efficient. 8 hectares to sustain that small house for two people? Not sustainable if you ask me. But, if you happen to own 8 hectares of woodland and have an army of volunteers to help you make a 60 ton pile of wood chips and water, have a go at it!
@ozricbish A few lucky people who live in the country side with access to a forest can support their energy requirement with this method. But it's a luxurious gift from nature to a few individuals. It cannot support a city population: We would need to cut down huge areas of forest. No, human population need to support their energy from the sun as directly as we can, our energy requirement is much larger than what we can sustainably take from nature.
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interesting that so many comments say this is not appropriate for x, y or z... Jean Pain was primarily a forester - intent on reducing fire fuel load within the forest he managed, the big team of people working were primarily there for that purpose; the heat, methane and compost were a beneficial byproduct of these efforts. Otherwise, the cleared material would have been burned or chipped or just oxidized getting compost from it after getting heat and power is a great outcome... By looking at the recourses he had at hand he came up with a system that used those resources and worked for him... We each need to come up with systems that work for us... for some of us, this system might well work.
I first heard of Jean Pain in an article in Mother Earth News, not sure which year or issue but any body could order a copy, i beleive he was an innovator using what he had in a sustainable way. Im glad someone tookmthe time to post these videos. I believe that everyone can find a way in their own environment, to make less of an impact on there carbon footprint as Jean did we just have to think outside the box.
I think this is an appropriate technology for that region. Where I live the shrubbery grows a lot faster than eight years because of a warmer, more humid climate, so it would be very suitable in my bioregion. By contrast, a desert area could harvest more solar energy, a windy area more wind power, etc.
This just strikes me as so seriously awesome, and the fact that we have two brothers (David and Charles Koch) and their ilk that have worked and prevented any of this to coming to pass, so that we are stuck killing our planet, polluting our air, and here in the Southwest, suffering from major forest fires. America, when WILL we wake UP?
Koch brothers are small potatoes btw
4:29. Jean is not concerned with removing 'things that can rot', he is interested in removing things which can burn. When the fuel hazards are removed, or pulverised and left spread in situ, the forest is not likely to burn. This practice is excellent for the forest, our air quality, and in general everything else.
In other words, removing the fuel results in more wood in the forest, not less, as fire mercilessly destroys everything, and does very serious 'collateral' damage also.
5:45 - 'You can get more energy from the wood than burning it.' Yes, far more, more than ten times as much in fact,
Yes Johnny, watch pt.2 and you'll see just how efficient the whole process really is!
@polylingue did you not see the wee compressor just at the beginning?
There are many more examples of this amazingly simple technology at work on here!!
ENJOY!
Many thanks for loading the video! I had no idea it existed. SO informative compared to the one and only Readers Digest article I was refering to when creating the wikipedia entry on him.
ok, is there anyone else here who feels that this man died young? I would not be surprised if he met an untimely death by the hands of those who stood the chance to lose a lot if this info got out. What a loss but what a wonderful gift given to us who use RUclips to gain knowledge. Be well all and Namaste.
These part is wrong 6:12 ; by compressing the material by stamping , you get the oxygen out instead of in !
treasureinvessel what part about it is wrong, do you mean?
Henceforth the anaerobic bacteria that live in environments devoid of oxygen and create heat also known as thermophiles .
@@rosek5575 The "With help from oxygen in the air" part.
I want to have a composting system like this to heat up my house!
Obviously this is pretty cool and all that stuff but you need to have a good amount of time and effort to dedicate to achieving this result which may or may not happen depending on what you use .
Mr Paine had a small army of volunteers for building this heap and he had all the proper tools to complete this project . Size is key to success or failure . A good size for a biomeiller system is 20X20 and at least 8 to 12 ft deep which if done right will last several months .
I see great promise for biomass energy production using waste products on an industrial scale .
I don't agree with some of the negative remarks but agree that it would take effort for it to take place in a city setting. Our city uses brushed off limbs from around power lines, downed trees & so forth as mulch around city trees. However just as we should be growing permaculture in waste areas of cities we could grow, fast growing willows from cuttings as example. More efficient methods of harvest could be used by cities. Even turning off 1000 lights helps.
I actual built 3 home digesters which make biogas which runs a small generator. Free energy without much work. plus great fertizler.
How do you make the biogas compatible with the generator? (Or how did you make the generator compatible with the biogas?)
This is amazing !! I can't believe that local councils (UK) are not devising these on a large scale in light of peak oil...it is such a better answer than growing rapeseed for biomass...surely quick growing willow coppices would be ideal for this type energy extraction from composting. How feasible is it for a town garden, anyone any ideas?
13 years later and still they care way more about their shares in energy companies than either the planet or its inhabitants. The key is to do it yourself instead of relying on anyone else! What a brilliant system for sustainable, renewable energy.
If you're still there 13 years later, did you manage to get anywhere with it? Years ago I used to look at my compost heap smouldering away and think, hey, that's renewable energy right there, but sadly, a horrible marriage to the wrong person got in the way and I had to leave that place with the big garden...time to try again!
PPS I used anything on my old compost heap, from veg peelings to grass cuttings to tree/hedge cuttings, the leaves and stems from harvested veg plot... rotting apples and pears (could have made cider, haha)...but found when I put woodchip on there it was at its hottest and really smouldered.
I'm trying to find out the chemical composition of Polyethylene pipe (HDPE) (as used in this video and most other compost hot water systems), and whether any toxins are released at or near 60degC. When burned, HDPE released Hydrochloric acid gas. But so far nothing to say it does this at the relatively low temps of compost. I might need to take a trip to the local university.
Well said
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He use hasard wood he been very addaptable an creative, I know some people can criticise but for is particular need and problem he been really smart. Rather than critisise his invention please fid something who work for you. Nobody says that we all will have to cut wood again but we all will have to be creative with our ressource to provide us our need and also to give back to nature.
If you run a tractor on methane produced by this method, then it becomes much less "petro intensive." Additionally this can be used as a heat source to run an ethanol still, thus making more than enough heating fuel to produce ethanol to run chainsaws as well as tractors and your car.
It is all in the application of what you get from it, using the products to start them again. It makes a complete cycle when you use this for heat and power, if you dont rely on oil based fuel or transportation.
Help needed. The Wikipedia article for Jean Pain has been nominated for deletion due to not having enough credible references! Can you give me the exact title, producer and director of this video?
So dirty fuel gangsters can keep ripping us off! Long live John Pane and his brilliant compost energy system!!!
@HotSauceJohnny First, you missed the statement that it takes 8 years for just one hectare of forest to generate that much brush. So you only need about 8 hectare (20 acres) for a continuous harvest. You also appear to be missing the fact that fuel was not the only product. Hot water and compost were also produced.
@ozricbish This would work where bushes are naturally abundant. Else you would deplete the soil of nutrients and you would need fertilizer more and more. However using grass is not a bad idea.
I was originally impressed by this, but now think of it as more of an experiment. The math doesn't work. First, It took so many people to build this system for a house for two people. Then, 500 liters of fuel = 132 gallons of gasoline. A very efficient home can use the equivalent of that for hot water and propane/natural gas. The system yields 18 months of fuel and hot water , but the narrator said that it takes 8 years for a forest to regenerate the 40 tons of wood. Am I missing something?
Yes, you're missing that jean was working as forest guard who was responsible for clearing forests from dense brushs that cause forest fire, he was restricted in the amount of biomass he can take from a single hectare.
According to research, a forest produce 10T/H/year of biomass in total, not account for losses due to biodegradation of biomass in soils and it's taking into account total living wood.
means if you extract the 10Ton/H each year, the forest will not grow and will be stagnant.
So, jean was extracting half the maxium sustainable amount.
In damp forests the humid conditions makes so that that excess biomass is degraded or go in subsoil.
But in relatively dry climates, the biomass dry an become subject to forest fires that unfortunately kills even the living trees.
that 10T/H/Year means 1Kg/m2/year and is 13wh/day.
I think it's enough for a small family to be totally autonomous.
But it all depends on efficiency of the use of that raw energy.
@benjamindees ?? I said all of those things in my post (8 years, one hectare, hot water, fuel). Sounds like a lot of fun, but it's just not efficient. 8 hectares to sustain that small house for two people? Not sustainable if you ask me. But, if you happen to own 8 hectares of woodland and have an army of volunteers to help you make a 60 ton pile of wood chips and water, have a go at it!
@ozricbish A few lucky people who live in the country side with access to a forest can support their energy requirement with this method. But it's a luxurious gift from nature to a few individuals. It cannot support a city population: We would need to cut down huge areas of forest. No, human population need to support their energy from the sun as directly as we can, our energy requirement is much larger than what we can sustainably take from nature.
@Topazman12 You don't need to burn books if people dont want to read.
yes, he died young - of bladder cancer. No conspiracy here.
yea but if all of us will start to use wood...iti will not be enough..and will start damage the ecosistem again...
Interesting but far too labour intensive.