Moony, you might want to check Karl's reply video to yours about the Jirard drama because things are getting heated up. He does go above and beyond to characterize you as being not only in the wrong, but also on Jirard's side and wanting to hurt Karl's own image, so I do highly recommend you to respond to his video.
I know it’s a fairly small part of the video, but the story of the plane is really disturbing to me. The idea that one singular person’s sheer, unabashed hubris and ego can kill hundreds of people, even without any malicious intent, is true horror.
I was also thinking, if a culture is like this in social interactions, there should be an exception when lives are at stake. The lower ranking officers should just be able to say "we will die, captain do something". But of course this is simply silly western individualism ;)
I've actually read Outliers and remember this very well. Another problem to note is that when communicating with air traffic control, it was hard to gauge the actual severity of a flight gone wrong, for similar reasons. But, you might be happy to know that a rather inventive solution came about as a result. The pilots now communicate in English on the job, with the understanding that it is to be used as a blunt instrument to convey information as efficiently as possible. Lets them work better with each other and international airports without forcing them to unlearn ingrained social habits.
I also found it horrifying. I work in the medical field and something like that happening to a patient is already a terrifying thought, never mind a whole plane!
I suggest checking out Admiral Cloudberg's Medium. There's multiple cases for crashes caused by hubris. And also the recent Ural Airlines crash, a pretty significant example of government interference.
This is a big problem in Asian cultures where pride and ego gets in the way of all things there, including technological innovation and safety standards. It's rather bizarre how these outwardly progressive seeming nations are actually quite conservative and unwilling to adopt change even in the face of evidence of it working elsewhere.
After that Korean Airlines also started requiring their piloting staff to speak ONLY in English while piloting, which is something almost all other airlines had already been doing. It turned out a lot of the BS hierarchical deference went away when stupid honorifics weren't allowed to be used in conversation. There's the added benefit that tower control personnel can monitor their conversations as well.
Pride is not only a _sin_ but also a _weakness._ Ever noticed how people can't _stand_ a prideful person, but they love to be around an humble one? People _rejoice_ when the proud are humiliated. Unfortunately, in this case, that proud pilot took a _whole plane of people down _*_with_*_ him._ Forgive the pun, but pride comes before a fall.
You come to this guy for history lessons? He couldn't even get the year right for when the completionists mother passed away 😂😂😂 straight 🤡 if you're a subscriber
@@letusdebatenowsomeone makes an honest mistake is 🤡 to you? I hope you have never made an factual mistake in your life then but we both know you have ;)
19:10 I've literally seen drunken subway arguments in Korea suddenly stop when they established who was older. Stuff's taken really serious over there.
I believe part of the reason drivers are so aggressive is that they no longer have to respect the hierarchy of age. Instead, all that matters (to them) is how expensive your car is. That being said, drivers were worse 5 years ago. It feels like a lot of people have cooled off.
@@TheGprinziv I've only been in Korea for two years...but if they were worse 5 years ago, my god. I've nearly been run over on my bike quite a few times - mostly by taxis.
In Korea, people are really vocal, and will easily flip you off, not to say that all over the world, but Korea, its more condensed so it will happen alot.
I studied abroad for a little over a year in korea. an entire friendgroup stopped hanging out with me because i poured beer for someone younger than me and didn't think it was a big deal.
I feel like they should’ve given you a pass since you’re not Korean. I studied abroad in Korea too and in our intercultural club we didn’t bother to learn anyone’s birth year at all. Way more people to meet and hang with in Korea anyway. I was only there for a short while and mostly attracted other foreigners.
'not real friends' that part might be a little tricky im afraid. the way i understand is that hangout groups like that r the norm in korea and if they begin excluding u it's going to be quite hard to find a normal daily human interaction
@@selenophile5256 the plane part and history part shows a reason why thing was got so out of hand. "I'm older so you better listen to me you little brat.
A couple years ago I heard that Japanese companies hired westerners whose job it was to be direct as in say what is implied out loud. Back then I thought it was funny now I see how serious it can be.
asian culture: make the social landscape super hard to navigate, then shuts themselves in because the social landscape is too hard to navigate, peak culture
They should hire my dad. He always saying things out loud that most people only think. Definitely not a people pleaser. Doesn't work well most of the time but sounds like it would have been the perfect job for him.
This whole drama felt like a fever dream (or a meltdown) from inside the tiny but dedicated Limbus community. Swimsuit accident and it's resolution are what made me realize that Project Moon universe was heavily inspired by IRL Korea. I've been there many times before the pandemic, but only caught a glimpse of those problems.
They just used Seoul and everyone thought it was a fantasy setting lmao The Outskirts even serve as an allegory to living outside of Seoul (and Busan kinda). You peer inside, wanting a chance at the wealth and oppurunity of those in Seoul, only for the inside to be people working 996 and suffering in their own unique. And those above that are always worried they'll lose their standing and fall backwards into that hell.
I understood they were trying to be very non-confrotional with their senior, but still felt like gibberish, and it annoyed how no progress was made until it was too late.... Are koreans so used for taking hours to resolve anything if their senior isn't the one giving order? Damn.
There's also the fact that, I think to drive home this point, he reads the transcript with a very neutral tone of voice, and a lot of the communication in this conversation was probably happening via tone and tempo. For example, if you see a person who looks lost in a place you know well when you're not in a hurry, or you're being pestered by someone who isn't being clear about why they're pestering you, you might say "can I help you?" in both circumstances, but it wouldn't mean the same thing. The difference would be immediately obvious if you could hear tone of voice, but someone reading a literal translation is likely to misunderstand.
I was more and starting to see what he meant *but* and this is an important but: Intercultural Competences was a major area of study during my master and this is exactly the cultural sensibilities you are taught there.
High context culture is so exhausting because I have to work so hard to decrypt the double meanings. The explanation of the Korean Air disaster really had me tearing my hair out.
@@linasayshush SAME. The infographic (paraphrased): English is low-context and direct, and value is placed on saying what you mean. Me, autistic: ENGLISH IS DIRECT?! You also have higher-context cultures and dialects of English, which makes it more confusing. I've heard that autistic people in the American South STRUGGLE because everything is subtext, such as brutal nastiness under the guise of hospitality. This isn't to say the info is incorrect!! It just means that the ceiling for understanding the contextual demands of English already feels so high to us that any higher feels unfathomable
I'd like to mention that PM never announced nor teased the existence of any "summer swimsuit" character(s) prior to the Magic Hellbus event release, in fact, they never announced that there was gonna be *any* character releasing with this event and even less so any swimsuits until the event was fully revealed (less than a week before the event actually released), so the thing that started it all was even less than nothing, it was pure fan obsession over the idea. The character themselves are also not "Summer [Char]", but rather "??? Boatsworks Fixer [Char]" ("???" hidden for spoilers reasons), as the characters in game work as shipwrights, rather than on a summer vacation, which is the reason why there were no actual swimsuits to begin with.
The craziest part of what you said is that they didn't even highlight the summer aspect. They legitimately got mad over an idea of a summer character that isn't even a summer character. Because a swimsuit that was never going to exist was circulated because men were angry about the lack of non-existent summer swimsuit. I'm baffled by people sometimes.
"I'd like to mention that hurhurfluflufluflufluduuuuuuuuuuu boring political garbage boring political garbage boring political garbage" "THE CRAZIEST PART OF YOUR NUMB UNINTERESTING POLITICAL RANT IS DUURRRRRRRRR... HERE'S MY ADDITION TO THE STORY ABOUT SOME THING THAT HAPPENED ON A CHILDRENS GAME 3 YEARS AGO THAT'S SO BORING IT KILLED ITS OWN HYPE" the ATP that fired your neurons produced nothing but heat
in corporate lingo, when someone "leaves voluntarily" it means that they were threatened in a meeting with really powerful higher ups and forced to quit, both to not pay them compensation and to avoid having a justification for it whatsoever. when someone "leaves" like that, assume that labor laws were violated as if they were a checklist.
@@Akxo i never played pmoon games, i dont follow them, i was merely commenting on the language used on some statements and what it usually means. am i missing a key piece of context here or what?
@@Akxo The video does make allusions to similar occurrences in the korean gaming industry, yet for some reason you want me to believe a company you happen to like is different and "not like the others". Companies who are not like the others exist, they have been straight up disowned by korean incels. This has not happened with ProjectMoon. The people who protested the company went overboard and mistook the situation for a illegal firing and got unions involved, which was a grave mistake. But it doesn't change that several other companies ousted feminist employees while making sure no such accusation could be thrown at them. Sadly, that mistake allowed for a narrative that discredits every single one of the protesters's complaints to be built and now both the incels and people who want to defend the company are spreading it. But that narrative is still wrong.
@@nyft3352 Due to being a quite small indie company with like 50 employees at most, PM has built up a lot of trust with its fans since the beginning. For example, one of PM's friends is the band Mili, led by Cassie Wei, who are bigger than PM but partner with them to make music for their games because Mili likes their work (which I mention to explain that Mili aren't particularly dependent on PM); they've made songs which are intensely political and overtly feminist, and both at the start and at the end of the controversy period, members of the band said people shouldn't jump to conclusions or be so quick to turn on people because of internet rumours. It's my opinion that if Project Moon hadn't quickly provided Cassie with evidence that Vellmori's departure really wasn't the product of coercion (and they do have evidence that it wasn't 'illegal firing' according to Gyeonggi Youth Union, so having a recording of the situation which makes clear how it went wouldn't be surprising), she definitely wouln't have been defending them; she isn't shy about confrontation. So people who say "PM isn't like other companies" have a certain amount of reasons for doing so.
An additional note on "wetsuit" Ishmael is that her getup seems in large part inspired by the Jeju-based haenyeo, sea diving women of a 1500 year old tradition. There's historical, cultural precedence for her outfit, and I think it's the closest thing Korea has to an honestly patriotic ID for any of the Sinners the game has you control. I'm deeply saddened as a LC fan to have seen Vellmori go, as her work on the main story's cutscenes lent an incredible kinetic madness to a lot of scenes, and fit the game's melancholy and insane ambiance fantastically. The new artist does well, but their style's yet to grow on me.
I bet whoever started the first comments about that mark couldn't have been made by a man likely were insiders at the company LOL or a knew insiders there
@@slightlyaltruistic9470 The "new artist" is the one who did the Ruina art, the talksprites in-game, the backgrounds and I think the vast majority of the Sinner ID art as well.
Zamm, she was truly a cultural pioneer huh Guys just get meme Hawaiian shirts on bare chests and surfer trunks while the lady gets a cultural piece of clothing from 1500 Rly makes u think
what's most shocking to me is that i think the wetsuit is infinitely hotter than if it had just been a bikini... something about it is intriguing and provocative. more naked =/= more sexy
I honestly think that fanservice is actually a counterproductive means to be attractive. There are plenty of ways to be attractive without resorting to striping yourselves to garner a respectable reputation.
Im a Chinese person with a degree in East Asian Studies. I’m so happy to see you cut right to the core of Korean culture, how East Asian societies deep social affinity for hierarchy and harmony is the product of bureaucrats and rulers building a world in which populations are easy to govern. This shit exists to benefit the political class even if like you say it makes both men and women unhappy. The Neo-Confucian passage you read uses Taoist metaphysical terms like supreme ultimate (taiji) but only to anchor their Confucian construction project that will produce ethical ideals like “righteousness” and “benevolence” that justify hierarchy. You are showing more clear and nuanced understanding of East Asian culture than the vast majority of East Asian diaspora, and that’s so sad cuz we are the ones who have to live with and suffer the problems of this culture
Taoism is anti Confucius though, one of the founders even before lao zi was yang zhu, meng zu’s rival, and he was an egoist like max stirner, ultra individualistic, thats what taoism was
@@MisterZimbabwenot entirely, since the original Confucius actually hated hierarchy , to be frank, marx and Confucius had some parallels, Lao zi was like stirner and confucius was like marx, and both of them disagreed on alot of thems, but they did agree on the idea of status as meaning less, and reason comes before all, Confucius argued that reason is rooted in order while lao zi went metaphysical. Confucius didnt even believe in classes or social norms ether, more “what aint broke dont fix it” because norms are made based on necessity
I too appreciated the philosophical “side-bar” - Confucianism is interesting framework and is often glossed over in Western discussion. Mostly for the reasons Moon alludes in the video.. it’s dense, there’s a significant amount of technical debt, and translations are imperfect. But you would think it would mostly be covered by now given actual centuries of intensifying contact and media crossover.
My friend's father was actually one of the 26 survivors of the 1997 crash, and they wanted me to share what they thought about the video. They say that they were impressed by the video, and appreciate the research that was put into it, as well as surprised at the mention of the plane crash. They admit that the video could have explained some points of Korean culture better, but the video did the best it reasonably could, and that was appreciated.
@Chronor Clever, but your reading literacy is low since garrengamboa said it was his friend's father, not his father. But I understand your snarky response nonetheless.
I never understood how plane crash survival works. Are some seats just lucky and the jet fuel just burns around certain parts of the plane? I can't imagine being in a room that effectively explodes leaving me unscathed and those around me without their heads.
@@theedwardian No one said anything about being unscathed. Plane crash survivors are often horribly burned, maimed, or disfigured. You should check out Kechi Okwuchi, as probably one of the most popular(???) plane crash survivors.
As a born-and-raised Korean man and someone whose life frankly cannot be disconnected from my generation's gender war, I have gained a new level of respect for the nuance you manage to convey despite being from a very different cultural background. It's very difficult to even explain the details of these issues when talking with non-Koreans and even foreigners with Korean backgrounds (i.e Korean Americans) as people tend to trivialize the conflict without looking at the cultural background. Thank you for researching and making this video.
@@dagazrune6453 So the section he showed about Taiichi and Yin-Yang, heres the explanation: Taiichi is the balance without the enactment of energy or will, it simply exist in the world, Yin-Yang uses Chi, a energy representing the force or will of a entity onto the world, regardless both of them are balance of the spectrum of positive and negative. This has nothing to do with the hierarchy and Confucianism is not Buddhism, its an philosophy. Just as you have Greek philosopher as Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle as well as John Locke, Immanuel Kant, Karl Marx. Now for the biggest part, Confucianism, it has filial piety, "However" as in many philosophy, it is vague and broad in spectrum, it talks about the respect one should advocate to their family and to structure, but its does not mean to be in a foolish or destructive filial piety. You can easily find the difference by typing Buddhism vs Confucianism, be careful on what you read because Confucianism is heavily linked to Submitting to superior, mostly due to the scripture talking about the mandate of the heaven and the emperor. education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/confucianism/ talks about Confucianism, education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/buddhism/ Is about Buddhism, They are not 100% correct, however they are close to the point then others.
@@nabukotokei thank you very much!!!! I'm trying to get educated on these cultures as my daughter has a l I very of Manga and anime and entertainment I the west has gone to shit thanks in part to intersectional feminist and their many narcissistic beliefs. We as minorities are just done with rich white women speaking for us.
The incident with the airliner happen more than people realize. We studied it when I was in school for aviation safety. I've read many reports, usually, but not always Asian, where a situation like this occurs. There was a big one in San Fransisco a while back where a 777 crashed into the ground. When the CVR was recovered, one of the "lower" flight crew flat out stated they were dropping too fast. The Captain basically blew him off. But, one of the results was something we had in the Air Force, and most airlines and military units called "Crew Resource Management", where anyone has a say. As a lowly E-4, I cancelled a landing because I thought I saw a runway violation. As soon as I said "Go around." the Aircraft Commander called a go around. Only after did he ask why. I explained, I was wrong, and I was praised for it. Thankfully, programs such as CRM are becoming more popular and these incidents have been decreasing.
I remember hearing about it and just deciding that I'll zone out for a while until the dust settles hahaha... I suppose I also didn't really play Limbus Company (I've dabbled on Library of Ruina/Robotomy Corp) but man...
yeah, a small group of trolls can jam things up so much - suddenly you have an "Ethics in gaming journalism" where the people attacked have heir careers ruined while the trolls have no stake in anything other than boredom and entertainment.
@@johnsimon8457 I'm definitely glad we have people like Moon willing to do the research and set the record straight. I say this as a guy who used to be a young boy who swallowed the gamergate lies hook line and sinker, and only realized years later it was all just sexism. It's good to have people who can push back against obvious bigotry and speak truth against those who would undermine or outright lie about the circumstances that led to a situation going down.
@@MetalB1985 Ah good point, that sounds right. Although it's still funny when Maya's sprite is shown next to a block of complicated legal text or something
@@adamantii We are Maya, she is the audience surrogate. Any time you see her, she is representing Moony's expected audience reaction to whatever he's talking about or showing. That's why, for example, you always see her shocked/horrified portrait whenever he puts up a giant block of legalese lol
this comment is perfect Omg Smth like, due to the history discussed in the video, Japan wants to kill the system it follows whereas Korea doesn’t as much, therefore less god-killing,,, thank you for this brilliant comment
@@godzilla4189at the start of the Korean manwha thing there were a lot more liberties and less corporate meddling when it came to an author's works, so I'm not surprised they killed gods more often (I'm not seeing much of that nowadays)
@@mylesobrien7477 I mean its similar to when two cultures meet it forms a hybrid its like how Spanglish is a language that adopts both English and Spanish
@@mylesobrien7477 Similarly to how Koreans preserved their culture throughout the 20th century, at least in my experience Korean Americans seemed to entrench even further in some values that are vastly different to traditional "American" values. In that way immigrant experiences are imo just as valid
As someone with Korean relatives who I only visit every once in a century, this explained a loooot, so thank you for that. I lucked out on my Chinese dad opting out of the hierarchical aspect of family dynamics when it comes to our nuclear family, but it crops up when we visit the Chinese side, but the Korean side always felt more intense for some reason. I appreciate how you're so good at breaking down complex topics into digestible pieces without losing too much nuance. Also, I might be one of the very few people who laughed aloud at the Kant joke, but thank you for including it anyways! XD
China, especially for the older generations, tried to wipe out Confucianism and replace it with communist ideals, which is why a lot of it has disappeared. I'm thankful for it too, because Cofucianism is woefully outdated.
@@weirdofromhalo If it's not too much of a problem, can you explain why ? I have a few bases in Buddhism and Taoism, but Confucianism is a bit harder for me to understand.
@@NIHIL_EGOconfucianism is pro-rape. You know what it's called when you force someone into the slavery to be the possession of another human being? You call that slavery. You know what it's called when you have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you? That's caled rape. Sex trafficking is slavery & rape combined. You know what religion endorses those practices? Confusionism. It's really a religion for peice of shit lazy fathers who would rather be paid to have their daughters raped than go to work/defend gheir family. According to confucianism the father can sell their daughter, another person, to another man. According to confucianism the daughter has to let that other man rape her. It's clear that the daughter has to do it even if she doesn't want to otherwise it will "dishoner" her dad. Of course the phrase "dishoner" really means "make trouble for" the dad. You know because the rapist slave buyer expexts the slave to not only not fight back but to pretend she's happy to be there. And let's not forget how evil the lords were who took those concubines. Look imagine a small town of 100 families. Imagine 1/4 of the families have high-shcool age kids. Now imagine 7 of these families were the nobles amd everyone else is poor. Now imagine the nobles had all of the food, money, land and weapons and also were the city council. What do you think they're gonna do? Assuming nobody exists outside of your town. Buddy they're gonna say the cost of food is X, the labor it takes to make that food is X+Y (meaning you cannot earn enough to buy it), but if you sell your 14 year old daughter to be their concubine (sex slave) they'll give you money enough to live for a year eating comfortably or three if you stretch it. It's sad sometimes the fathers were really lazy or alcoholics or sometimes they could do everything right but the noble class would just raise tax revenue and then chase down and kill anyone who tried to leave for better economic opportunity. So a fathers choice was either: A) Try to escape wifh family and maybe make it or be murdefed and their daughters be raped indefinitely. B) Sell one of thier kids into slavery and rape to feed the others. C) Try to kill the nobles probably same outcome as A.
@@NIHIL_EGO In the context of the post and this video ... "Women are the ones who follow others; when they are young they follow their fathers and elder brothers, when they are married they follow their husbands, and when their husbands die they follow their sons. “Husband” denotes supporter. A husband uses wisdom to lead others. (Liji, “Jiaotesheng” chapter)" there is plenty more to it of course but with that as a starting point it is easy to see how it is outdated It also manifest in some incredibly bad levels of favoritism and bias
What a mess, mixing cultural differences with the crazy reach internet has - it is so easy and fast for us to learn about facts happening in other countries, while being almost impossible to learn and really understand other cultures. When you add trolls and toxicity, the result can never be good. It was very interesting, I knew absolutely nothing about this subject! Also, BRAZIL MENTIONED! =D
The very notion that gacha games are clearly a gambling game and they are very prominent up and down and kids play them is really shocking for me. I miss the times when you would buy a game and get the game.
It's even more frustrating to think barely any government is trying to fight against it. Where are all these guys pretending to care for kids safety? It's also mindblowing because the solution is extremely easy: pass a law that forces developers to put a money-limit to every customer. No more than 100$ per account per game, period.
Yeah it's just that sadly no one really cares. Gatchas gotten too big to fail after the big hits like mihoyo put out their games which are all ruled by gen z kids. Annoying kids. But eh
@@Dante02d12 Governments don't tend to step in because they stand to gain from them in some way, whether it be through whatever the company is paying in taxes, or some other way like having family or their friends in the company that buy them gifts or donate 'campaign funds'.
That indirect communication between the pilots was absolutely infuriating. Everyone walking on eggshells and masking their words feels so fake and deceitful.
Oh you would just love to be in a car with my father and grandfather. My grandfather was born into the tail end of the British Nobility basically "running things" Despite coming to America this attitude never changed. My father was raised on this. The "you have to do something VERY important for me to consider you as my son". I then had to grow up with this, my entire life was walking on eggshells. I basically had an arranged marriage with my grandfather's business partners family. Holidays are just positioning one's self with different members of the family, to gain favor. Just like old world nobility. Indirect conversation is the only way I can speak to my father or grandfather. Saying either is wrong is not wise.
@@DustinBarlow8P " Indirect conversation is the only way I can speak to my father or grandfather. " good news: someone on the outside might never understand this kind of conversation i personally thought that the black box was badly damaged or they were roleplaying while piloting the plane or something like that i would have never ever thought that conversation was so rich in the subtext bad news: i think people can write books about how much you lose by being like that with your relatives
Wow, watching this video's demonstration of South Korea High-Context language cues and social hierarchy... So many translated south korean novels I've read gain layers upon layers of depth. Not in their general storytelling but instead in all things subtle. Everything, from their usual premise to how the conflicts are developed to how the protagonists and antagonists make their way through the story to how mythical beasts and places depictions of outside forces are done and even how the feelings these novels inspire makes more sense with the knowledge of this context. It all makes sense now. If I were a content creator, I'd be HIGHLY inspired to make a video on that, because something that always felt off now clicks like the final piece of the Millenium Puzzle, and it unlocks a perspective of the world that along with these myriad little moments I experienced through the years in reading novels of varying qualities somehow led me to directly understand how these social dynamics work in a depth I simply didn't know I could without going there and experiencing that world without most cultural filters. The sudden epiphany of understanding that type of social structure way more than what I expected of myself was simply amazing to experience. It was like wearing recently prescribed glasses after years of using an old pair. That is all I meant to say.
HOW did they conclude that refusing to check the instruments is a "measured response" to someone being scared?! This is blatant insanity at that point!
Everyone in the cockpit was Korean. As the oldest one there, in the position of captain, it was his right to slam the plane into a hill. I'm sure he was patted on the back and told "well done" in the afterlife.
I have a tendency to follow many fandom artists even if I don't speak their languages, and I noticed that direct translations of their tweets were overtly formal and full of rhetorical negatives. I thought it was an error on part of the translation machines, but after watching this and leaning of these courtesy patterns it's evident how they are expected to submit to their audience...
Moon Channel viewers tell me that my community posts often read like work emails and that I can be a bit over deferential to the audience when it comes to channel direction. These, for lack of a better term, subconscious cultural behaviors can be hard to shake sometimes!
@@moon-channel 'Tis better to receive a false positive than a false negative. Caution beforehand can be corrected whereas ignorance afterward cannot. There is, indeed, a fine line between work fun and fun at work.
The idea that the common folk should have more control over the actions of a company than the company itself sounds frankly ludicrous to me, _especially_ if there's a focus on hierarchy.
You know North Korea, that bizarre, absurd dictatorship and how over the top everything there is? After working in South Korea and getting to know their working culture, chaebols and how they treat each other, that place in the north doesn't seem so bizarre and absurd anymore. One could even say it's typically Korean.
As a Limbus Company player I already kinda knew what this was gonna be about, but the Lobotomy Corp music immediately was the funniest confirmation ever lol
the wonderlab drama was, iirc, not directly tied towards PM. it was the artist versus trolls kind of drama (but i believe some tension from the LCB incident seeped into this)
yeah i uninstalled the game seeing as how absolutely absurd that whole situation was. i thought it crazier seeing anyone defending PM over vell at the time. vell caught strays for no good reason.
Something important you didn't mention that project moon is suing them because they shared confidential documents of vellmori that she didn't wish to be shared to public
This plus the youth union apology is what has me believing that PM is telling the truth about Velmori. Why would you apologize so fully on someone you were investigating for unjust labor practices? It's such a bad look for the union to back down. Plus, both statements on how Velmori was dismissed come from PM itself. It'd be a completely different thing if Velmori or some other party announced her firing, but all we have to go against is PM's own word. Its a really strange set of statements, but considering PM's prior record of communication and making well-meaning but clumsy mistakes, it does track.
@@random767612e You can exactly tell who were the tourists that just now got into PM or was bandwagoning and who were the OGs just by looking at their reactions of the announcement. From EA LC and LoR, to their many interviews, they have shown and given precedence that they really are just well-meaning but clumsy idiots.
They shared confidential documents that the company didn't wish to be shared to the public. The artist has been radio silent for months, anyone who claims to speak for her is probably lying or heavily exaggerating the truth, and yes, that includes the company.
@@edenwarr9670 and people have to believe you because you are who? The documents that was leaked was own Vellmori lawyer that was shared to proven the evidence of the whole case and even compensation of vellmori if the documents was fake vellmori or the GYU and PMUA could use it and send PM down the gutter and how GYU pulled their statement show that PMUA leaked documents were true and now getting sued for their actions against Vellmori Trying to spin the truth make you sound like the red headband users
@@edenwarr9670 and people have to believe you because you are who? The documents that was leaked was own Vellmori lawyer that was shared to proven the evidence of the whole case and even compensation of vellmori if the documents was fake vellmori or the GYU and PMUA could use it and send PM down the road and how GYU pulled their statement show that PMUA leaked documents were true and now getting sued for their actions against Vellmori Trying to spin the truth make you sound like the red headband users
@@anomienormie8126 I mean... sure, but still. You'd think if you KNOW 250 people are maybe about to die you get over it a LITTLE quicker. To their credit they DID break their cultural conditioning and raise a stink eventually... I think MOST of the burden is on the Captain assuming he knew best, instead of actually working with his cockpit crew and trusting that they knew what they were doing too.
The Korean Air story is baffling. Im not fluent in this hierarchical double speak but after putting it the cultural context it makes too much sense that I can imagine the voice and tension of the crew in those final moments. I did wonder why they all sounded too calm that I thought it was Oxygen deprivation and they were losing it.
Hi folks! This is Moon Channel's first ever two-part video. I opted to skip the annual round-up video for now, and just go forward with the Korean Gacha Games Video. Let me know what you think! I'm curious to hear your thoughts, as always.
I just don’t understand why the end you said Fired or departed then said fired again are you siding with the fired theory because PM did and even GYU did that they didn’t fire her and her lawyer even was there and you didn’t even mention that they compensated her
Something important you didn't mention that project moon is suing them because they shared confidential documents of vellmori that she didn't wish to be shared to public
fitting that this is uploaded just a few days after Yostar KR, the korean publishers of Arknights (a chinese gacha game developed by Hypergryph) cut ties with an artist who had once tweeted in support of international womens day.... 6 years ago. this apparently isnt their first time doing something like this either, which says a lot
I also learnt a bit about this yesterday from someone talking about this with the yostar kr situation, incredibly sad and frustrating when it really did seem the illustrator did nothing wrong :c
@@lssjgaming1599i’m sorry, _who_ said that sexism is a Western thing? If anything, as soon as you bring up sexism here in the West you’ll get hit with the good old “you have it so much better than in other parts of the world, why are you even complaining”
@@WhitePaintbrush Many people love to pretend that japan / korea doesnt have these issues and everything from there is apolitical where as it is the westerners who are ruining things by bringing in feminism, class or other politics
20:00 The thing is, the event was 100% a prank. Nothing about the event was actually your typical beach episode as people thought. Rather, it diverted expectations by placing the LCB crew into a position where they were expecting to go to an actual beach, and then ended up dropping them and the player into a polluted shanty town slum on the edge of the ocean, with the order of going out an killing disgusting crabs day after day. If people had just *waited 10 fucking seconds* for it to release they would have found out that this was completely in like with the actual event, but they didnt.
I do think velmori's opinion matters in all this. yeah its a fight worth fighting but if she doesnt want the attention/to be a figure head in this then backing away from this particular case is the right call to me
That plane bit is a good show of why a strict hierarchy is bad. Yeah, the captain is the captain, but the engineer probably knows the systems inside and out. By merit, he should be the person saying what to do when something isn't working. A Meritocracy is always better than other options.
we have enough understanding of social structures today that there is no excuse for still believing any strict hierarchy is a good thing even when they are necessary, goodhart's law alone should prove to you that meritocracy is always going to end up falling back into a system where those with power hoard more of it and push others down to conserve it
I *CANNOT STAND* the way "High Context" people communicate. Aside from the sheer audacity of disallowing someone from speaking their mind, there's the fact that this convoluted tip-toeing around is responsible for so many unbelievably needless tragedies. It is so wildly against all reason and survivalistic evolution that it is utterly baffling to me how it still persists-- genuinely the product of a culture where the elite have 'domesticated' their populace into subservient thralls. I can think of nothing more despicable. This is the future the elite want and I hate to sound like a self-righteous colonizer but there are genuinely times where a culture *does* need to be dismantled, the asian Hierarchy part of their cultures *is* one of those cases. It is utterly detrimental to humanity at large to allow it to persist.
Meritocracy is bad joke. The countries with the most meritocratic systems on earth ARE the Confucian ones. The countries where kindergartners have a full schedule outside of school of more school so they can have a slim chance of doing well enough on their exams so they can get a desk job where they are verbally abused all day. If you want a meritocracy prepare for the kinds of wars that the willful people who don't quite measure up are willing to engage in. The second bloodiest war in human history happened because of the failures of meritocracy.
I remember reading a magazine in the article it talk about how korean women were protesting because cameras were found in public bathroom watching this vid reminded me about that event
@@neidhardt8093 Well shit, if that's true, I can only declare I'm fully with the feminists on that one (I mean I am anyway, but you know what I mean.). I wish them luck in raising serious hell until behavior like that is punished swiftly and harshly. My solidarity goes out to them in their endeavors period, if this video is any indication Korean feminists have a serious uphill battle ahead of them. (So do feminists period, but it sounds like Korean feminists have a few degrees worse battles ahead.)
this was such a misinformation campaign too, man it sucks how much these "radical feminism" shit undermines real feminism There were people standing in that protest with sign saying "the perpetrator only got charged and sentenced fast because they were a woman (who was sneaking pictures)"
If you are talking about the Hyehwa Station protest, that protest happened because feminists were angry how fast police caught the culprit. They were angry because they think the reason why they caught the culprit "so fast" was because culprit was female. In simple, the culprit was female, the victim was male, and feminist got angry because they caught culprit so fast, they went on a protest.
When you see what's happening towards games and/or its company in South Korea with the notable ones like Limbus Company, you just gotta think to yourself the absolute mess that's going on with both South Korean men and women. Not to say gender wars don't exist outside of South Korea since it can happen within any country, especially the United States.
I mean I wouldn't call it a gender war. Calling it a war implies there's like equal power on both sides. Korea is pretty patriarchal. Women have it really rough. The epidemic of spy cameras being in the women's restrooms, physical violence, paygap, idol culture, etc.
I'm gonna be totally honest here, your description of Korea sounds like hell to me. I can logically understand there is a lot of nuance here, and simply a whole lot of cultural meaning and norms I am unaware of, that would make life acceptable, not torture at all. Ways to circumvent the limitations of personal freedom you describe. But my initial emotional response to what you describe, is a place I would avoid at all cost. I wouldn't adhere to such silly rules even with a gun pointed to my head.
@@stereomachineKorea sounds like hell for autistic people. I am sure it is fine to vist, and I do want to at some point in the future. Living there sounds troubling though.
Their birth rate is extremely low and their suicide rate is number 10 globally, and is the highest of all "first world" nations. The Koreans don't seem to be doing well in Korea either.
@@bestaround3323 iirc the country is generally not very friendly towards people with disabilities as there is little infrastructure to accommodate, let alone mental/cognitive dysfunctions. i saw a video of a man in a wheelchair trying to get in/off a bus, & the bus didn't have a wheelchair lift or ramp. no one helped him.
It’s crazy how this whole thing started because the Ishmael pic. Like, it’s not that it was previously sexy and then Moon covered it up (which could be its own can of worms), but that it wasn’t sexy ENOUGH. It’s like if you went to see a movie, and then burned the theater down because the movie didn’t have enough nudity in it. Expecting every single piece of media to specifically cater to your standards feels a little self-centered.
Ironically, it's the exact same way that people who don't like sexy media get mad and demand that characters should be covered up. It's like every issue on the internet devolves into a bunch of crazy people who act almost identically except for the one issue they're fighting over.
Big notification on the swimsuit incident. i've seen it unfold from the first hour to the last statement and i have to say that the video gives off a nasty misinformation on it, which is awkward, since the topic of this video should allign with the case perfectly. You see, the reason for the START of the incident was >>NOT
what's hilarious about your analogy was that there was an incident where some Korean grandma burned down a cell service provider's branch location because, iirc, her "cell phone bill was too high"
17:55 "Beneath the Innisfree toner" 19:33 "Hyung-ing and oppa-ing" I cackled. Between this video and the other one about video games for girls, you got yourself a new subscriber. And here I thought the video game-related video essays niche on youtube is already so saturated, there can't be no new topics to talk about anymore. Apparently not.
I'm deeply familiar with Japanese customs and use of language, but know comparatively little about Korean culture, so the explanation of Korean hierarchical culture was very interesting to me. I play a game called Nikke, a Korean gacha game that on the surface is 100% fanservice, just T&A as far as the eye can see. But once you actually play the game there's actually a very deep, emotional, well-told (if not particularly well-translated) story. Nikke are essentially robots, though technically cyborgs; human brains contained within mechanical bodies designed specifically to fight an invading race of alien robot creatures. Only women can be turned into nikke and all nikke have a specifically female outward appearance. One of the main conceits of the game is that nikke are generally distrusted and disliked by society, and specifically their (always human, implied always male) commanding officers treat them like dogs. Part of the reason for this is that the lion's share of military officer training consists of what amount to brainwashing sessions intended to condition them to treat nikke as disposable machines rather than thinking, autonomous people. The PC's primary defining feature is that they do NOT do this, instead treating the nikke under their command as comrades, confidants, and friends, and is thus able to command a high degree of loyalty and respect from even the strongest, most elite units. This point has long been thought among the western fandom to be quite silly; typical anime harem BS where a man gets hordes of gorgeous women to throw themselves at his feet simply by being nice to them. Given the discussion in this video, however, in addition to the greater overall context of the game and it's story (specifically the way other commanders are depicted as treating nikke in a general sense) I begin to wonder if maybe it's a part of greater social commentary on Korean culture at large. Juxtaposed with the initial impression of the game as being pure degenerate fanservice, I find this all to be very interesting.
I also play Nikke and knowing more about the gender war helps me to appreciate the Game more and also puts into contexts some things that happen outside the Game like the controversy with Winter Rupee outfit change, with out the knowledge of the gender war this controversy feels really stupid since Rupee is still showing a lot of her assets in the outfit, but with the knowledge of the gender war it makes sense that even the smallest change could end up creating a controversy. Granted I don't know all about the controversy since I joined after it happened so maybe i'm missing somethimg
That's good and interesting to know, as a western player (and by player I only mean HSR and Genshin...and cookie run that one time) I immediately assumed nikke was one of those games that had no story and just wanted to show bouncing boobs in action. Kind of hypocritical from a genshin player, but hey I'm not willingly "measuring pixels" of characters' chest sizes, man or woman. Though I still have a western perspective I won't be able to easily ignore, if I ever download the game it'll be good to know the girls aren't just falling over some guy character because he was nice, like how an incel imagines he'll get a girlfriend. Hopefully the story will intrigue me enough to keep me playing and ignoring the boobs "breasting boobily", kind of like how Genshin's story to me is so amazing I'm half willing to ignore all the...everything else
I've always speculated South Korean militarism to be closely tied to this as well. If you view male-authored Korean media, then most of the time there'll be a frankly terrifying amount of worshipping the military.
As a korean, it makes me happy to see a foreigner actually take interest of the social going ons of korea...while I feel that your explanation of korean culture may have been a little too broad or generalized it all seems well reserached and intentioned...this may sound weird but it really did cheer me up to see someone outside of korea acknowledge this...thank you....
All I see is incels frothing at their mouths, threaten noninvolved people with physical violence and ruining their livelihood because their pngs didn't have boob window. Nothing historical about it - just brainless, entitled onanists.
As a half korean man brought up entirely detached from that half my heritage, this might be the most insightful look into korean history and culture I've seen yet. Every time I try to look up videos about korean history or culture, all I get are videos about food, kpop, tourist lures, and then little sprinklings of history videos that zone in on small pockets of time. Not even overly sarcastic productions has a video covering korean history as of yet. So thank you moony. I'm happy to know even a tiny bit more about my culture, even it's not a particularly flattering aspect.
Stories like the Korean air one are why I don't immediately trust anyone's opinion when they try and compare an asian country's culture as immediately superior than America's, even in an unrelated aspect. I would say "Or any country for that matter." if it wasn't Korea or Japanese I hear about the most being compared to American society as being the more "enlightened" culture.
I remember watching the whole debacle occur over Reddit. It was chaotic to say the least. Misinformation was rampant. Basing it off the timeline of events I'm somewhat aware of the train fell off the rails between the office occupation and the first official statement. What was implied through the translation led the way to the greater overall eruption of chaos that ensued shortly after, which highlighted the 'Korean Gender War' to the wider world. The worst part about the whole thing? There was no real "justice" or "closure" to be found. Just a complete net loss.
@@antokarman2064I'll be frank and say I feel a bit disgusted by those people deciding to do that with their time. Also, I sincerely doubt any major action was taken against them. I'm surprised that much got taken for their sake.
A male Korean artist I really enjoy recently got conscripted, and it made me think about how influential gender roles are in Korea. Can't wait for part two, thanks Moony!
I believe the last two members of BTS just got conscripted, is that right? Part two will talk quite a bit about conscription, and the modern development of gender roles in Korea! I hope you will share your thoughts with me then, too.
Speeaking of conscription, Einstein was severely advocating against having conscription, he loathed war and conscription was only hurting people and festering more adverse climate.@@moon-channel
@@TheOrian34 Sounds about right. One of the actors on the Amazon TV series The Boys, Tomer Capone (who plays Frenchie, one of the main characters.), has been MIA for awhile and it's heavily speculated that because he's Israeli, he got conscripted to aid in the genocide of Palestine.
@@TheOrian34 Conscription in a militia system is ok only if usable to defend the country, like in Switzerland where the army's prerogatives are defined in the constitution.
ishmael and sinclairs ids were also based on two characters from the mini chapter the event was based on. those two characters are rain and olga, both returning characters from library of ruina. Olga being the leader of their office and the strongest of their trio, this carries into limbus where the three after the ending of ruina are dropped back into the city and find themselves in district U where they open a repair shop to get enough money to move somewhere else. Olga due to her strength gathers the parts they need by killing trash crabs which carry them like a shell, therefore she has diving gear and a massive drill, it fits her work while rain and mika both work with repairs and such. District U is largely just a big lake and pretty warm so it makes sense for rain to be wearing light clothes and therefore sinclair aswell since his id is based on rain
Dude this is the first video of yours I’ve seen. It was recommended to me and I’m happy it was. Clicked to hear some drama, and got a fantastic history lesson instead. This is part of why learning history is so important. What happens in the present doesn’t happen out of nowhere. It happens as part of a long series of events that came decades and centuries before it.
As someone who grew up in a society where most forms of hierarchy are routinely ignored, often for simple disinterest, it's always wild to hear about other parts of the world where it is enforced to the extent of seriously messing with daily life and even things of critical importance. Also the idea of formal speech being a complex multi-level affair with unequal treatment sounds a bit like a nightmare, in my native language (Spanish) it's simply an on-or-off kinda deal and it's always a two way thing mutually agreed on the fly.
Knowing the social backgrounds, the existence of all the trashy webtoons/manhwa about bullying, especially if it's a revenge story, makes a lot of sense to me now. EDIT: If you know some webtoon/manhwa that isn't like that, then I would appreciate that.
The Fabled Warrior kind of examines the isekai genre from its shoujo demographic roots and contrasts it against modern isekai expectations all while wrapping it up in a queer-adjacent found family bow where the main character is a middle aged woman. It's *awesome.* Also SSS-Class Revival Hunter seems trashy from the premise but it is so freaking good. The main character is like legitimately insane and comes close to becoming your average wish fulfillment revenge plot incel MC but is explicitly taken from that path by the bonds he forges with others. Also for those who've read ahead in the webnovel, I feel like the author would have liked to write him as a woman instead lmao Also yeah the monopoly Kakao has on Korean media right now is really disturbing.
I was actually caught in the crossfire of the Limbus drama. My tweet on it blew up, and I ended up being one of the first investigative responders, so to speak, on the matter in the English world, and had created a thread with resources in the opening hours. I kept up the reporting until normal outlets could take over, but in that first 24 hours, it was intense, and I learned so much about the gender war in SK. Got hit by both SK incels and feminists. We use that term so loosely everyday, it was a wake-up call to know that somewhere out there, it is an actual war.
Same here, and I especially relate with being harassed and attacked by both Korean feminists and anti-feminists. neither care about correct information, and both sides tried so hard to take advantage of foreign fan's ignorance to feed them crap.
@@user-ky2hg7fg4j thats sadly just very fitting way to describe modern politics not only from feminist and anti feminist in a lot of countries but also political parties, no sides care about what its truth or not just about getting advantage over the other.
The plane stuff is just...so unfortunate. I have spent almost two and a half years living in Korea, and have been heavily entrenched in its culture and language for almost ten years, so I understand very well how such an incident could occur. It's precisely because of this sort of thing that a lot of people in jobs such as piloting an aircraft speak English instead of Korean. Coming from a place of love and respect for the culture, I nonetheless have to say that it is so unbelievably stupid to allow cultural norms to get in the way of common sense safety measures. I love Korea, and consider it my second home. So I really hope that people get over themselves and allow their society to change for the good of everyone in it. (Of course, I recognize that my own country of the US has many similar issues. I am just as critical of the US, as anyone can see by looking at other comments I've made on other videos.)
It was also a contributing factor to the Sewol Ferry disaster in 2014, which killed 304 people. A lot of them were Korean youth; adding to the tragedy and absolute madness that is Korean culture. This happens over and over again & spills over into the lack of innovation and willingness to change for the better.
i'm so so so insanely grateful for you covering this; the majority of my twitter mutuals are korean so i've seen glimpses of this issue but have never been sure exactly what's going on, so this is really helpful!!! looking forward to part 2!
Really appreciated you going over the plane crash. I'm a pilot, and for the kind of flying I do, we have to do a course every year on "Crew Resourse Managment", which (to summarize) tries to emphasize that every person from the flight crew to ground personel are important and need to be listened to and kept a part of the loop to help reduce workload, increase saftey, and create a plesant working environment. I've been lectured and read about this crash, as well as the Tenerife disaster a million times, so i can say, this was an excellent retelling and analysis of this crash. Many crashes have occured because a large authority gradient caused some people who saw an issue and could even prevent it from escalating to say/do nothing. Thanks to CRM courses, those kinds of accidents and toxic cockpit environments have been drasically reduced. Again, great video! :-)
The Ishmael situation was so sad for the long date PM fans. We saw dozens of amazing pieces of fan works (animations, ilustrations, mods for their games, etc) slowly disapear and the love of the fans turning into hatred from a day to another.
I remember this REALLY cool artist who remade existing vocaloid mvs but replaced them with limbus characters! But then out of nowhere I couldn't find their channel and their videos when I wanted to show them to a relative who also likes limbus :( the MVS are probably lost media nowadays
As foreigners outside of the typical hierarchy, you can likely expect to be asked your age far less than if you were Korean. I don't think any of my Korean friends asked me my age.
because you receive special treatment due to being a foreigner, south korea unironically, is not made for south koreans, its a honeypot for foreigners to dabble their interests in.
Basically in Asian culture foreigners are seen on the same level as young children who don't know any better, so they're giving a free pass on a lot of social expectations but only because they're effectively seen as monkeys with clothes.
The ENTIRE time you were talking throughout both videos, the only thought i could possibly think was how completely this all lines up with the actual plots of every single Project Moon game. I knew they were critiques of capitalist systems but, hearing it all layed out just like this it’s impossible not to notice.
I noticed any issue, even if it has nothing to do with feminism gets blamed on feminist over there. I was looking into the situation about that Korean webtoon that used the N word, calling black characters monkey, while looking at the comments from Korea I saw they were blaming feminist for it being taken down and not like you know the blatant racism in it.
Apparently that manhwa also had some anti feminist arc in it. Note: The Korean view of feminism is inherently that it is radical and ridiculous The arc went like this: some girly girl student that did make up and such was bullied by her feminist teacher for promoting gender roles through her acting like that and constantly berating the student, implying that she and her femininity was the problem with society
@@Sh12pen Ah I see, it seems to me like these arcs they have are a very exaggerated twist on what isn't the reality of these situations. Idk enough about Korean feminism but I can't see a feminist teacher bulling a student for femininity. I think the author was just trying to push their weird agendas.
@@helloneighbour2408 my comment is only speculations, nothing 100% because I'm not Korean and idk how it is over there, it's just based on my own personal observations.
this is a good watch as always but mannn i can't help but be hit with a huge wave of dread every time that the july pm shituation is brought up. i will admit that i'm inclined to take a more charitable position toward pm because they're one of my favorite dev studios of all time, and the whole situation was absolutely fucked and it was impossible to get any accurate information about what was happening and some of that misinfo is still circulating but these are some details i think are important for further context: -the director was in japan when this whole thing started hence the slow response -the reason they're suing that guy is because a private legal document regarding the situation was leaked -that document says that the artist quit and that pm has proof that she quit, and that she was compensated for 2 years worth of salary -yamato kasai of mili made a vague tweet when this was all blowing up obviously about pm that said they shouldn't have said anything publicly and let the lawyers handle it (cassie has also maintained her support for pm though she hasn't touched too much on the details of the situation, and she got harassed for it) what little mili has said and the details of the legal document make me think that there are lots of details that aren't known to people outside of pm that we'll likely not know until what comes of the legal action and even then there will probably be things that we'll never know about what went down. the situation left me feeling extremely cynical about how people try to twist facts or straight up spread false info to fit their narrative. even though i sound sympathetic to pm, i think they're at fault for handling this the worst possible way they could have and it would have been wise to let a professional handle it. i sincerely hope vellmori is doing alright in spite of all this, and it's extremely fucked up how this has created a ripple effect where these losers are doing the same to other dev studios. they need to feel the consequences of their actions for once in their lives
I hadn't even thought about that, but you're right. These losers got exactly what they wanted, and will probably be emboldened to do this again next time some stupid bullshit ruffles their jimmies and they think they can just bully a company into taking it out on women for any reason. I hope the guys who broke into PM HQ get some kind of consequences for this. I also hope Vellmori is doing alright.
I said it earlier, but call me a corporate shill but I can’t help but feel bad for PM, they got thrown through the mud over a bloody swimsuit, PM may not have handled it in the best way at the start, but the other side (the “PMUA”) apparently were, from what I’ve heard, a bit sketchy in their own right. I still dont even know much of anything since the whole incident was a clustertruck.
@@Beepers559 I definitely think PM were victims in this scenario, so was Vellmori, but they got heat over a ridiculous nontroversy fueled by sexism that resulted in their office being raided by angry sexist dudes. Hard to say they deserved that since what the raiders were mad about was a swimsuit on a fictional character and a conspiracy cooked up entirely in their head.
I am on the spectrum and have a very hard time understanding non-verbal communication and some categories of pointless (to use few words) formalities. The plane segment made me want to tear my hair out, am I glad I do not live in a guess culture or either I'd hate everyone or everyone would hate me.
Same. I'm also on the spectrum, and the only way I've found to deal with non-verbal communication is to actively analyze behavior. Conversations feel like talking while reading Greek. If I was born in SK I'd probably be insane or be in a box after speedrunning my life.
I'm not on the spectrum but if i was there i would tell them if i wanted to guess every single interaction i wouldn't have ended my relationship with my ex lol
This whole thing is so embarrassing, imagine being so upset about a character design that you harass and get fired a completely unrelated woman. That isnt normal.
@@samprice1302Nope you are in right track part 2 is same but much bigger impacts that even government had inspect whole gaming industries in south Korea
Man, this is quickly becoming one of my favourite channels. Great narration, grounded in good research and argumentation while keeping up an engaging presentation.
The sheer dissonance between the outfit making me groan a bit and the reactions saying it was too tame kept making me laugh throughout the video. It also makes me think I really wouldn't enjoy living in Korea, as nice as it might be in other aspects.
I find myself confused why players were complaining about the wetsuit. Sure, there’s less skin being shown, but the idea that showing skin is the only way to be “sexy” is just… boring. Yeah, the wetsuit wasn’t *explicit*, but there’s no reason that it can’t be sexy.
I would argue that it even WAS sexy, the wetsuit is clearly thin, you can see her skin tone underneath it, implying that it’s thin. It’s ridiculous that these men got so angry over an (what I’d say) explicitly sexual piece of art. And then, after that, they harassed a completely innocent women. And THEN the company shat all over that innocent women for things completely unrelated to her. Like if (for instance) my mother, who herself doesn’t really care with others wear, saw this skin, she’d say it was sexual.
The point is not about not being "sexy", is about to repeal the society changes. They see womens getting more political power and visibility, and the notion that a woman character is not explicit sexualized because the target demographics that need to be appeased is not predominately male anymore make them rage. Its the same discourse in the west, about the introduction of minority characteres that in the past would'nt be a such controversial topic but its is now, its because the male white demographic feel threatened that will not be anymore the model of the "normal".
Thanks for dropping that maplestory inlogmusic to lower my blood pressure in the middle of the vid. I needed that boost of calm inbetween this... Madness
i would do a lot of things for my waifu, but i don't think i'd resort to terrorism! maybe a strongly worded and misspelled thread on reddit :P wonderful video as always moony
With the recent news about the AI deepfake issues in Korean society right now, this video is just as relevant right now as ever.
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This is the only channel that mixes videogames and history, two things that I absolutely love, so seamlessly together. And not often do I find myself hyped for a channel's uploads, but I legitimately can't wait for the next part. Keep it up, this is some great stuff!
"duh american man have gun and shoot shoot for trade and also feminist fight against the confucian male heirachy, see how the korean man defer to elder man authority? CONFUCIANISM!" The only history mentioned was the names of several wars, the rest was stereotypical sludge.
Screwed up how on the very day when you release this, a similar thing occurs with Arknights Thank you for the video Moonie, as a small brain haver I do appreciate a lawyerly precise summary of the cultural context
What’s going on with Arknights? Are people complaining that loudly about adding shorts to Swire’s swimsuit? Or about how she bears a coincidental resemblance to Nevia? Or are people complaint about Myrtle’s swimsuit? Was going on? (°_°)
@@FelisImpurrator I'm not an AK player so I only heard stuff second-hand, but the lady who won the fanart contest had her artwork deleted by KR Arknight's publisher for sharing a celebratory Google doodle on Women's Day In 2019
This was all very interesting since I don't really know much about Korea. I think the introduction covering gacha games and what their players expect versus the way Project Moon did business was nicely done - it will help anyone who isn't familiar with gacha games, and it helped me as someone who has zero context for this game or its developer. It's obviously a much bigger deal given the broader current context, but it does remind me of a couple of Japanese games that had some controversies caused by misinformation built on assumptions (and likely bad-faith actors). Final Fantasy XIV's (now famously) troubled early development included items from chocobos that had "馬鳥" ("horse-bird") in their names. Now, anyone who played FFXI previously in Japanese could tell you that this was just a kind of made-in-Japan-Chinese, somewhat analogous to the fake Latin in Harry Potter, because they used that kind of naming all the time. But a small number of people took that odd phrase along with the badly constructed areas in the game, and started a story about how the development of FFXIV had been farmed out to China somehow. This story was even more persuasive after English outlets had posted it as if it were verifiable fact, and some people probably still believe it to this day. 馬鳥 isn't even the Chinese word for chocobos (it sounds weird to them too, because it was made up by a Japanese person!), but most Japanese speakers didn't know enough Chinese to know that, and most English speakers didn't know either enough Japanese or Chinese to figure out what happened. Happily in the end, it's mostly remembered as a funny word and both Square Enix and FFXIV are doing just fine. More recently, a group of people got angry with the adult game maker Lose once their most recent game, Maitetsu, attained some level of success in China. When a follow-up to the original story came out, they blamed the lack of sex scenes for a new character on trying to appease more restrictive overseas markets and started review bombing, posting comments to that effect, etc. Eventually Lose decided to close up shop and cease all production of new erotic games entirely over the controversy. They still do business by reselling the console/all-ages version under the brand "RaRo," and probably make way more money for way less effort selling ASMR voice stuff under their "whisp" brand, but...a bit less of a happy ending than FFXIV's. If anyone even bothers to read this wall of text, I'm trying to be fairly vague with this one, but long-time fans in the niche that Lose catered to really got screwed by a loud group of people on this one.
i think its not just gender wars but political wars in general, genshin impact (a chinese game) was holding a convention in sk when they received a bomb threat by a south korean nationalist who wanted sk to have as little chinese influence as possible.
I was literally randomly taken here by youtube algorithum and am accidentally deeply invested in this case. Thanks for putting together this wonderful essay!
The indirect communication reminds me a lot of the Southern USA. I've known some "sweet children" (naive) and "fun loving guys" (alcoholic). Edit: added translations
Very good video, but I you forget to mention that PM director wasnt in SK when that happen, he was in japan for some publicity in a japense mobile show or something to give the game more publicity in japan, which is the main reason of the slown respond and some other things.
The section about the plane crash was heartbreaking... thank you Moonie for this great video, it was insightful and interesting while being focused on heavy subject matter.
Im ngl based off the video description i was thinking of avoiding this video as topics like this tend to just frustrate or stress me out. But your way of delivering information is very endearing and leads to me being able to calmly take in info even if some may be distasteful to me.
@@monobryn64 I agree, fellow windsurfer. Nobody comments on my aesthetic, but everybody comments on how crazy they think I am by going to the beach in almost freezing temperature :D
I think this is currently happening with arknights. Their korean account posted something vague, and its supposedly about an artist celebrating womens day with a google doodle. I dont know much about the topic at hand tho.
Legitimately one of the stupidest examples of cancel culture I've ever seen. It's like the words "feminist" and "woman" are the trigger words for sleeper agents or something 💀
The fact that VellMori hasn't made a statement says most of it here. VellMori most likely signed an NDA where they are not allowed to discuss the situation with the public, which implies VellMori was pressured to leave from the higher ups.
We're opening up with Lobotomy Corporation music. Could it be true that the Moon channel is in fact part of the Project Moon Cult? EDIT: we literally start with the ProMoon drama, nevermind lmao
@@moon-channel Happy to hear it! I've been into Project Moon's work for years now, and they're probably my favorite game studio in general. I tried my best to understand the drama through the language barrier and misinfo as it occurred last summer, but always felt my understanding was incomplete. I came to this video for the 'normal' reasons, the title, interesting topic, etc. But it's a very happy coincidence I can finally learn about what REALLY happened there.
Ugh... as one suffering in the middle of another gender war, it is eye-opening to see how similar stupid things happen in other countries. It's one of those "I hate it, but I can not look away" situations. And you bet I will be watching the second part of this video.
My favorite Moony-ism is officially "you may be wondering, what does X have to do with Y? Well, my friends, X has *everything* to do with Y". Absolutely love it. I've been waiting since I've watched this go down, especially after talking to my friends obsessed with PM on the Ishmincident. I've always known there was more to it, and I'm hopeful that Moony can deliver the goods as always
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Moony, you might want to check Karl's reply video to yours about the Jirard drama because things are getting heated up. He does go above and beyond to characterize you as being not only in the wrong, but also on Jirard's side and wanting to hurt Karl's own image, so I do highly recommend you to respond to his video.
Another great and interesting video!!
Terrible job with the last video. But I can see why you have time to make videos with no work as an incompetent lawyer.
Hey Mooney, you should do an apology video for ur next video. Ur clearly in the wrong and need to make things right.
I know it’s a fairly small part of the video, but the story of the plane is really disturbing to me. The idea that one singular person’s sheer, unabashed hubris and ego can kill hundreds of people, even without any malicious intent, is true horror.
I was also thinking, if a culture is like this in social interactions, there should be an exception when lives are at stake. The lower ranking officers should just be able to say "we will die, captain do something".
But of course this is simply silly western individualism ;)
What you've described is a daily occurrence if you look in the right places, but usually greed is in the mix too
They switched to using English in cockpits for flight info after this incident iirc.
I've actually read Outliers and remember this very well. Another problem to note is that when communicating with air traffic control, it was hard to gauge the actual severity of a flight gone wrong, for similar reasons.
But, you might be happy to know that a rather inventive solution came about as a result. The pilots now communicate in English on the job, with the understanding that it is to be used as a blunt instrument to convey information as efficiently as possible. Lets them work better with each other and international airports without forcing them to unlearn ingrained social habits.
I also found it horrifying. I work in the medical field and something like that happening to a patient is already a terrifying thought, never mind a whole plane!
A plane crashed due to petty hierarchy issues?
that is probably the scariest existential horror story that i have ever heard in my life.
Sound a typical day in geopolitics honestly
It wasn't the first and probably won't be the last! CRM training helps, but doesn't necessarily solve the problem!
And Project Moon already covered this in Library of Ruina too. lmao
I suggest checking out Admiral Cloudberg's Medium.
There's multiple cases for crashes caused by hubris. And also the recent Ural Airlines crash, a pretty significant example of government interference.
@@fetrigon Yes, I have been so afraid.
"why are people mad about a lootbox game not being horny enough?"
[takes a drag on a cigarette] "Let me tell you about Korean history"
"we need to start at the beginning... Picture this: crisp early morning, 5th of January 1567 in eastern China..."
yeah kinda got baited@@666Tomato666
Because they have nothing else better to do or think about in life.
I actually forgot this was a video about gacha games for a while there.
I've honestly never considered that "not horny enough" could ever be a serious complaint outside of intentionally "explicit" games.
That story about the plain crash is truly sad. The people on that plane lost their lives because of misplaced pride. Safety should always come first.
This is a big problem in Asian cultures where pride and ego gets in the way of all things there, including technological innovation and safety standards.
It's rather bizarre how these outwardly progressive seeming nations are actually quite conservative and unwilling to adopt change even in the face of evidence of it working elsewhere.
reminds me of those car airbags scandals, or the train crashes that happened because of something similar
After that Korean Airlines also started requiring their piloting staff to speak ONLY in English while piloting, which is something almost all other airlines had already been doing. It turned out a lot of the BS hierarchical deference went away when stupid honorifics weren't allowed to be used in conversation. There's the added benefit that tower control personnel can monitor their conversations as well.
Pride is not only a _sin_ but also a _weakness._ Ever noticed how people can't _stand_ a prideful person, but they love to be around an humble one? People _rejoice_ when the proud are humiliated. Unfortunately, in this case, that proud pilot took a _whole plane of people down _*_with_*_ him._ Forgive the pun, but pride comes before a fall.
The concept of sin and dogma is immoral. Nobody cares. Either you justify why something is wrong or its not wrong
Tricked, yet again, into watching a history lesson when I just wanted to see people mald in image boards over pngs.
You come to this guy for history lessons? He couldn't even get the year right for when the completionists mother passed away 😂😂😂 straight 🤡 if you're a subscriber
@@letusdebatenowYou one of them 4channies?
@@letusdebatenowBro no one cares about yall weird gamer drama, shoo
@@letusdebatenowsomeone makes an honest mistake is 🤡 to you?
I hope you have never made an factual mistake in your life then but we both know you have ;)
@@HuntedCupCakeOh I had not realised he owned up to the mistakes he made, do you know where I could find this?
19:10 I've literally seen drunken subway arguments in Korea suddenly stop when they established who was older. Stuff's taken really serious over there.
England football. People argue online which 3rd tier clubs is more 'historical'.. in argument to 1st tier who crush them every time.
I believe part of the reason drivers are so aggressive is that they no longer have to respect the hierarchy of age. Instead, all that matters (to them) is how expensive your car is.
That being said, drivers were worse 5 years ago. It feels like a lot of people have cooled off.
@@TheGprinziv I've only been in Korea for two years...but if they were worse 5 years ago, my god. I've nearly been run over on my bike quite a few times - mostly by taxis.
Taken serious? Taken stupidly.
In Korea, people are really vocal, and will easily flip you off, not to say that all over the world, but Korea, its more condensed so it will happen alot.
I studied abroad for a little over a year in korea. an entire friendgroup stopped hanging out with me because i poured beer for someone younger than me and didn't think it was a big deal.
I feel like they should’ve given you a pass since you’re not Korean. I studied abroad in Korea too and in our intercultural club we didn’t bother to learn anyone’s birth year at all. Way more people to meet and hang with in Korea anyway. I was only there for a short while and mostly attracted other foreigners.
@@Sofiaode18they are just narrow minded racists and xenophobes...simple as that..
And they are the most illeterate literates.
If they did that, then they were not your friends to begin with.
what losers
'not real friends' that part might be a little tricky im afraid. the way i understand is that hangout groups like that r the norm in korea and if they begin excluding u it's going to be quite hard to find a normal daily human interaction
" this got the players rather pissed, here's a story about a plane "
Oh oh... OH OH.
LOL. First World Countries are imploding
OH RILEYYYYYY AUTO-PART
@@NoName......lmao
Wait I don't get it what's the joke ?
@@selenophile5256 the plane part and history part shows a reason why thing was got so out of hand.
"I'm older so you better listen to me you little brat.
A couple years ago I heard that Japanese companies hired westerners whose job it was to be direct as in say what is implied out loud. Back then I thought it was funny now I see how serious it can be.
asian culture: make the social landscape super hard to navigate, then shuts themselves in because the social landscape is too hard to navigate, peak culture
Is this real? I’d like to research it a bit
I would absolutely love to be paid for this LOL
They should hire my dad. He always saying things out loud that most people only think. Definitely not a people pleaser. Doesn't work well most of the time but sounds like it would have been the perfect job for him.
We just do things better :)
This whole drama felt like a fever dream (or a meltdown) from inside the tiny but dedicated Limbus community. Swimsuit accident and it's resolution are what made me realize that Project Moon universe was heavily inspired by IRL Korea. I've been there many times before the pandemic, but only caught a glimpse of those problems.
It's said that The City PM made is a black parody of Korea's issues
Learning this and then going back and reading a lot of Roland's dialogue on "the nature of The City" makes a lot of sense
Seriously this incendent sound like a parody of the gender wars.
@@benholland1140yh it was crazy
They just used Seoul and everyone thought it was a fantasy setting lmao
The Outskirts even serve as an allegory to living outside of Seoul (and Busan kinda). You peer inside, wanting a chance at the wealth and oppurunity of those in Seoul, only for the inside to be people working 996 and suffering in their own unique. And those above that are always worried they'll lose their standing and fall backwards into that hell.
Listening to the Korean Air flight log the first time I'm thinking "none of this makes sense, am I an idiot or are these people speaking gibberish"
I understood they were trying to be very non-confrotional with their senior, but still felt like gibberish, and it annoyed how no progress was made until it was too late.... Are koreans so used for taking hours to resolve anything if their senior isn't the one giving order? Damn.
@@troykv96 never understand the stubbornness of middle aged Korean men
Welcome to Guess Culture, which is where gibberish is considered social obligation and effective communication is considered transgressive.
There's also the fact that, I think to drive home this point, he reads the transcript with a very neutral tone of voice, and a lot of the communication in this conversation was probably happening via tone and tempo. For example, if you see a person who looks lost in a place you know well when you're not in a hurry, or you're being pestered by someone who isn't being clear about why they're pestering you, you might say "can I help you?" in both circumstances, but it wouldn't mean the same thing. The difference would be immediately obvious if you could hear tone of voice, but someone reading a literal translation is likely to misunderstand.
I was more and starting to see what he meant *but* and this is an important but: Intercultural Competences was a major area of study during my master and this is exactly the cultural sensibilities you are taught there.
High context culture is so exhausting because I have to work so hard to decrypt the double meanings. The explanation of the Korean Air disaster really had me tearing my hair out.
My autistic ass would move away as soon as I could
I am autistic and I already have huge issues with this in English. I don't know how I would survive in a place like Korea
@@linasayshush same
@@linasayshush SAME.
The infographic (paraphrased): English is low-context and direct, and value is placed on saying what you mean.
Me, autistic: ENGLISH IS DIRECT?!
You also have higher-context cultures and dialects of English, which makes it more confusing. I've heard that autistic people in the American South STRUGGLE because everything is subtext, such as brutal nastiness under the guise of hospitality.
This isn't to say the info is incorrect!! It just means that the ceiling for understanding the contextual demands of English already feels so high to us that any higher feels unfathomable
I'd like to mention that PM never announced nor teased the existence of any "summer swimsuit" character(s) prior to the Magic Hellbus event release, in fact, they never announced that there was gonna be *any* character releasing with this event and even less so any swimsuits until the event was fully revealed (less than a week before the event actually released), so the thing that started it all was even less than nothing, it was pure fan obsession over the idea.
The character themselves are also not "Summer [Char]", but rather "??? Boatsworks Fixer [Char]" ("???" hidden for spoilers reasons), as the characters in game work as shipwrights, rather than on a summer vacation, which is the reason why there were no actual swimsuits to begin with.
The craziest part of what you said is that they didn't even highlight the summer aspect. They legitimately got mad over an idea of a summer character that isn't even a summer character. Because a swimsuit that was never going to exist was circulated because men were angry about the lack of non-existent summer swimsuit.
I'm baffled by people sometimes.
People get mad over anything
I'd love fishing skins, all in flyfishing suits. That would be amazing
"I'd like to mention that hurhurfluflufluflufluduuuuuuuuuuu boring political garbage boring political garbage boring political garbage"
"THE CRAZIEST PART OF YOUR NUMB UNINTERESTING POLITICAL RANT IS DUURRRRRRRRR... HERE'S MY ADDITION TO THE STORY ABOUT SOME THING THAT HAPPENED ON A CHILDRENS GAME 3 YEARS AGO THAT'S SO BORING IT KILLED ITS OWN HYPE"
the ATP that fired your neurons produced nothing but heat
You had quite the brain fart @@user-lt4ty5ij6z
in corporate lingo, when someone "leaves voluntarily" it means that they were threatened in a meeting with really powerful higher ups and forced to quit, both to not pay them compensation and to avoid having a justification for it whatsoever. when someone "leaves" like that, assume that labor laws were violated as if they were a checklist.
Man you're really out of the loop with pmoon
@@Akxoeh, leave him blind.
Trying to reveal to those people actual picture, is just a waste of effort.
@@Akxo i never played pmoon games, i dont follow them, i was merely commenting on the language used on some statements and what it usually means.
am i missing a key piece of context here or what?
@@Akxo The video does make allusions to similar occurrences in the korean gaming industry, yet for some reason you want me to believe a company you happen to like is different and "not like the others". Companies who are not like the others exist, they have been straight up disowned by korean incels. This has not happened with ProjectMoon. The people who protested the company went overboard and mistook the situation for a illegal firing and got unions involved, which was a grave mistake. But it doesn't change that several other companies ousted feminist employees while making sure no such accusation could be thrown at them. Sadly, that mistake allowed for a narrative that discredits every single one of the protesters's complaints to be built and now both the incels and people who want to defend the company are spreading it. But that narrative is still wrong.
@@nyft3352 Due to being a quite small indie company with like 50 employees at most, PM has built up a lot of trust with its fans since the beginning. For example, one of PM's friends is the band Mili, led by Cassie Wei, who are bigger than PM but partner with them to make music for their games because Mili likes their work (which I mention to explain that Mili aren't particularly dependent on PM); they've made songs which are intensely political and overtly feminist, and both at the start and at the end of the controversy period, members of the band said people shouldn't jump to conclusions or be so quick to turn on people because of internet rumours.
It's my opinion that if Project Moon hadn't quickly provided Cassie with evidence that Vellmori's departure really wasn't the product of coercion (and they do have evidence that it wasn't 'illegal firing' according to Gyeonggi Youth Union, so having a recording of the situation which makes clear how it went wouldn't be surprising), she definitely wouln't have been defending them; she isn't shy about confrontation. So people who say "PM isn't like other companies" have a certain amount of reasons for doing so.
An additional note on "wetsuit" Ishmael is that her getup seems in large part inspired by the Jeju-based haenyeo, sea diving women of a 1500 year old tradition. There's historical, cultural precedence for her outfit, and I think it's the closest thing Korea has to an honestly patriotic ID for any of the Sinners the game has you control.
I'm deeply saddened as a LC fan to have seen Vellmori go, as her work on the main story's cutscenes lent an incredible kinetic madness to a lot of scenes, and fit the game's melancholy and insane ambiance fantastically. The new artist does well, but their style's yet to grow on me.
I bet whoever started the first comments about that mark couldn't have been made by a man likely were insiders at the company LOL or a knew insiders there
Isn't "the new artist" the one that did the Ruina art, or was that just the credits?
@@slightlyaltruistic9470 The "new artist" is the one who did the Ruina art, the talksprites in-game, the backgrounds and I think the vast majority of the Sinner ID art as well.
Zamm, she was truly a cultural pioneer huh
Guys just get meme Hawaiian shirts on bare chests and surfer trunks while the lady gets a cultural piece of clothing from 1500
Rly makes u think
Also the wetsuit IS hot? It's sexier than most bikinis, honestly.
Imagine being an indie game dev and triggering a civil war accidentally because you didn't draw a swimsuit skin hot enough
AHHAHAHHAHAHHA
what's most shocking to me is that i think the wetsuit is infinitely hotter than if it had just been a bikini... something about it is intriguing and provocative. more naked =/= more sexy
@@noralange5986 true
I honestly think that fanservice is actually a counterproductive means to be attractive. There are plenty of ways to be attractive without resorting to striping yourselves to garner a respectable reputation.
Ooof!!
Im a Chinese person with a degree in East Asian Studies. I’m so happy to see you cut right to the core of Korean culture, how East Asian societies deep social affinity for hierarchy and harmony is the product of bureaucrats and rulers building a world in which populations are easy to govern.
This shit exists to benefit the political class even if like you say it makes both men and women unhappy.
The Neo-Confucian passage you read uses Taoist metaphysical terms like supreme ultimate (taiji) but only to anchor their Confucian construction project that will produce ethical ideals like “righteousness” and “benevolence” that justify hierarchy.
You are showing more clear and nuanced understanding of East Asian culture than the vast majority of East Asian diaspora, and that’s so sad cuz we are the ones who have to live with and suffer the problems of this culture
So would you say confucian(ism) was a mistake? Or if not a mistake, then severely outdated as a basis for governance and societal philosophy?
Taoism is anti Confucius though, one of the founders even before lao zi was yang zhu, meng zu’s rival, and he was an egoist like max stirner, ultra individualistic, thats what taoism was
@@MisterZimbabwenot entirely, since the original Confucius actually hated hierarchy , to be frank, marx and Confucius had some parallels,
Lao zi was like stirner and confucius was like marx, and both of them disagreed on alot of thems, but they did agree on the idea of status as meaning less, and reason comes before all, Confucius argued that reason is rooted in order while lao zi went metaphysical.
Confucius didnt even believe in classes or social norms ether, more “what aint broke dont fix it” because norms are made based on necessity
I too appreciated the philosophical “side-bar” - Confucianism is interesting framework and is often glossed over in Western discussion. Mostly for the reasons Moon alludes in the video.. it’s dense, there’s a significant amount of technical debt, and translations are imperfect. But you would think it would mostly be covered by now given actual centuries of intensifying contact and media crossover.
@@MisterZimbabweStates were the mistake
My friend's father was actually one of the 26 survivors of the 1997 crash, and they wanted me to share what they thought about the video. They say that they were impressed by the video, and appreciate the research that was put into it, as well as surprised at the mention of the plane crash. They admit that the video could have explained some points of Korean culture better, but the video did the best it reasonably could, and that was appreciated.
oh wow did your father survive 9/11 too
@Chronor Clever, but your reading literacy is low since garrengamboa said it was his friend's father, not his father. But I understand your snarky response nonetheless.
@@Chronor coincidences can happen and the algorithmic is aware of a lot
I never understood how plane crash survival works. Are some seats just lucky and the jet fuel just burns around certain parts of the plane? I can't imagine being in a room that effectively explodes leaving me unscathed and those around me without their heads.
@@theedwardian
No one said anything about being unscathed. Plane crash survivors are often horribly burned, maimed, or disfigured.
You should check out Kechi Okwuchi, as probably one of the most popular(???) plane crash survivors.
As a born-and-raised Korean man and someone whose life frankly cannot be disconnected from my generation's gender war, I have gained a new level of respect for the nuance you manage to convey despite being from a very different cultural background. It's very difficult to even explain the details of these issues when talking with non-Koreans and even foreigners with Korean backgrounds (i.e Korean Americans) as people tend to trivialize the conflict without looking at the cultural background. Thank you for researching and making this video.
@@nabukotokeicitations? I would love to see links that counter or support this video.
@@dagazrune6453 So the section he showed about Taiichi and Yin-Yang, heres the explanation: Taiichi is the balance without the enactment of energy or will, it simply exist in the world, Yin-Yang uses Chi, a energy representing the force or will of a entity onto the world, regardless both of them are balance of the spectrum of positive and negative.
This has nothing to do with the hierarchy and Confucianism is not Buddhism, its an philosophy. Just as you have Greek philosopher as Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle as well as John Locke, Immanuel Kant, Karl Marx.
Now for the biggest part, Confucianism, it has filial piety, "However" as in many philosophy, it is vague and broad in spectrum, it talks about the respect one should advocate to their family and to structure, but its does not mean to be in a foolish or destructive filial piety.
You can easily find the difference by typing Buddhism vs Confucianism, be careful on what you read because Confucianism is heavily linked to Submitting to superior, mostly due to the scripture talking about the mandate of the heaven and the emperor.
education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/confucianism/
talks about Confucianism,
education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/buddhism/
Is about Buddhism,
They are not 100% correct, however they are close to the point then others.
@@nabukotokei thank you very much!!!! I'm trying to get educated on these cultures as my daughter has a l I very of Manga and anime and entertainment I the west has gone to shit thanks in part to intersectional feminist and their many narcissistic beliefs. We as minorities are just done with rich white women speaking for us.
Males definitely do like to make light of gender discrimination.
@dagazrune6453 the ones still above the "rich white women" are "rich white males". I'm done with any male or white speaking for me.
The incident with the airliner happen more than people realize. We studied it when I was in school for aviation safety. I've read many reports, usually, but not always Asian, where a situation like this occurs. There was a big one in San Fransisco a while back where a 777 crashed into the ground. When the CVR was recovered, one of the "lower" flight crew flat out stated they were dropping too fast. The Captain basically blew him off.
But, one of the results was something we had in the Air Force, and most airlines and military units called "Crew Resource Management", where anyone has a say.
As a lowly E-4, I cancelled a landing because I thought I saw a runway violation. As soon as I said "Go around." the Aircraft Commander called a go around. Only after did he ask why. I explained, I was wrong, and I was praised for it.
Thankfully, programs such as CRM are becoming more popular and these incidents have been decreasing.
The crazy disinformation campaign for the Swimsuit Incident was wild. Felt like i couldnt get any accurate information for a week or so.
Propaganda is crzy
Yeah, I’m now thankful for getting the true info from this whole shitshow
I remember hearing about it and just deciding that I'll zone out for a while until the dust settles hahaha... I suppose I also didn't really play Limbus Company (I've dabbled on Library of Ruina/Robotomy Corp) but man...
yeah, a small group of trolls can jam things up so much - suddenly you have an "Ethics in gaming journalism" where the people attacked have heir careers ruined while the trolls have no stake in anything other than boredom and entertainment.
@@johnsimon8457 I'm definitely glad we have people like Moon willing to do the research and set the record straight. I say this as a guy who used to be a young boy who swallowed the gamergate lies hook line and sinker, and only realized years later it was all just sexism. It's good to have people who can push back against obvious bigotry and speak truth against those who would undermine or outright lie about the circumstances that led to a situation going down.
I always love when Maya Fey from Ace Attorney explains complex legal or historical concepts to us on Moon Channel
I assume, that Moony is Phoenix and explaining it to Maya. In the games we also don't see Phoenix out of court, since he is in first person.
@@MetalB1985 Ah good point, that sounds right. Although it's still funny when Maya's sprite is shown next to a block of complicated legal text or something
@@adamantii We are Maya, she is the audience surrogate. Any time you see her, she is representing Moony's expected audience reaction to whatever he's talking about or showing. That's why, for example, you always see her shocked/horrified portrait whenever he puts up a giant block of legalese lol
Thanks to moonie now I know why you don’t usually kill gods in Korean games.
this comment is perfect Omg
Smth like, due to the history discussed in the video, Japan wants to kill the system it follows whereas Korea doesn’t as much, therefore less god-killing,,, thank you for this brilliant comment
Moonie? Uh oh....
They do a lot in Korean Manhwa, though.
@@godzilla4189at the start of the Korean manwha thing there were a lot more liberties and less corporate meddling when it came to an author's works, so I'm not surprised they killed gods more often (I'm not seeing much of that nowadays)
@@mahogania5536 A lot of Regressor stories with Constellations/ Murim Cultivation stories still have it.
Suddenly so much of the stuff going on in K dramas starts to make sense.
Cool seeing Korean culture explored here. I’m only Korean-American, but I’ve lived through a lot of what you’ve covered here
As in you live in Korea?
@@mylesobrien7477well like if your parents are immigrants they will put their culture on you try to learn the language it’s a common experience
@@mylesobrien7477 I mean its similar to when two cultures meet it forms a hybrid its like how Spanglish is a language that adopts both English and Spanish
@@mylesobrien7477 Similarly to how Koreans preserved their culture throughout the 20th century, at least in my experience Korean Americans seemed to entrench even further in some values that are vastly different to traditional "American" values. In that way immigrant experiences are imo just as valid
korean-american gang
As someone with Korean relatives who I only visit every once in a century, this explained a loooot, so thank you for that. I lucked out on my Chinese dad opting out of the hierarchical aspect of family dynamics when it comes to our nuclear family, but it crops up when we visit the Chinese side, but the Korean side always felt more intense for some reason. I appreciate how you're so good at breaking down complex topics into digestible pieces without losing too much nuance. Also, I might be one of the very few people who laughed aloud at the Kant joke, but thank you for including it anyways! XD
China, especially for the older generations, tried to wipe out Confucianism and replace it with communist ideals, which is why a lot of it has disappeared. I'm thankful for it too, because Cofucianism is woefully outdated.
@@weirdofromhalo unfortunately because of the hypocritical nature of the ccp some aspects especially the sexism are alive and well.
@@weirdofromhalo If it's not too much of a problem, can you explain why ? I have a few bases in Buddhism and Taoism, but Confucianism is a bit harder for me to understand.
@@NIHIL_EGOconfucianism is pro-rape. You know what it's called when you force someone into the slavery to be the possession of another human being? You call that slavery. You know what it's called when you have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you? That's caled rape. Sex trafficking is slavery & rape combined. You know what religion endorses those practices? Confusionism. It's really a religion for peice of shit lazy fathers who would rather be paid to have their daughters raped than go to work/defend gheir family. According to confucianism the father can sell their daughter, another person, to another man. According to confucianism the daughter has to let that other man rape her. It's clear that the daughter has to do it even if she doesn't want to otherwise it will "dishoner" her dad. Of course the phrase "dishoner" really means "make trouble for" the dad. You know because the rapist slave buyer expexts the slave to not only not fight back but to pretend she's happy to be there. And let's not forget how evil the lords were who took those concubines. Look imagine a small town of 100 families. Imagine 1/4 of the families have high-shcool age kids. Now imagine 7 of these families were the nobles amd everyone else is poor. Now imagine the nobles had all of the food, money, land and weapons and also were the city council. What do you think they're gonna do? Assuming nobody exists outside of your town. Buddy they're gonna say the cost of food is X, the labor it takes to make that food is X+Y (meaning you cannot earn enough to buy it), but if you sell your 14 year old daughter to be their concubine (sex slave) they'll give you money enough to live for a year eating comfortably or three if you stretch it. It's sad sometimes the fathers were really lazy or alcoholics or sometimes they could do everything right but the noble class would just raise tax revenue and then chase down and kill anyone who tried to leave for better economic opportunity. So a fathers choice was either:
A) Try to escape wifh family and maybe make it or be murdefed and their daughters be raped indefinitely.
B) Sell one of thier kids into slavery and rape to feed the others.
C) Try to kill the nobles probably same outcome as A.
@@NIHIL_EGO In the context of the post and this video ... "Women are the ones who follow others; when they are young they follow their fathers and elder brothers, when they are married they follow their husbands, and when their husbands die they follow their sons. “Husband” denotes supporter. A husband uses wisdom to lead others. (Liji, “Jiaotesheng” chapter)" there is plenty more to it of course but with that as a starting point it is easy to see how it is outdated
It also manifest in some incredibly bad levels of favoritism and bias
What a mess, mixing cultural differences with the crazy reach internet has - it is so easy and fast for us to learn about facts happening in other countries, while being almost impossible to learn and really understand other cultures. When you add trolls and toxicity, the result can never be good.
It was very interesting, I knew absolutely nothing about this subject!
Also, BRAZIL MENTIONED! =D
The very notion that gacha games are clearly a gambling game and they are very prominent up and down and kids play them is really shocking for me. I miss the times when you would buy a game and get the game.
It's even more frustrating to think barely any government is trying to fight against it. Where are all these guys pretending to care for kids safety? It's also mindblowing because the solution is extremely easy: pass a law that forces developers to put a money-limit to every customer. No more than 100$ per account per game, period.
Yeah it's just that sadly no one really cares.
Gatchas gotten too big to fail after the big hits like mihoyo put out their games which are all ruled by gen z kids.
Annoying kids.
But eh
@@Dante02d12 Governments don't tend to step in because they stand to gain from them in some way, whether it be through whatever the company is paying in taxes, or some other way like having family or their friends in the company that buy them gifts or donate 'campaign funds'.
@@Dante02d12 several years ago Belgium banned random loot boxes from videogames
Asians love gambling -Frank Reynolds
That indirect communication between the pilots was absolutely infuriating. Everyone walking on eggshells and masking their words feels so fake and deceitful.
inconceivable
Oh you would just love to be in a car with my father and grandfather. My grandfather was born into the tail end of the British Nobility basically "running things" Despite coming to America this attitude never changed. My father was raised on this. The "you have to do something VERY important for me to consider you as my son". I then had to grow up with this, my entire life was walking on eggshells. I basically had an arranged marriage with my grandfather's business partners family. Holidays are just positioning one's self with different members of the family, to gain favor. Just like old world nobility. Indirect conversation is the only way I can speak to my father or grandfather. Saying either is wrong is not wise.
that's because you're from a low-context culture. it's not fake and deceitful when everyone knows what you mean too. It's just being polite.
@@chesspiece4257it's absolutely fake, that's why you guys are so shallow now. It's all image.
@@DustinBarlow8P
" Indirect conversation is the only way I can speak to my father or grandfather. "
good news: someone on the outside might never understand this kind of conversation
i personally thought that the black box was badly damaged or they were roleplaying while piloting the plane or something like that
i would have never ever thought that conversation was so rich in the subtext
bad news: i think people can write books about how much you lose by being like that with your relatives
Wow, watching this video's demonstration of South Korea High-Context language cues and social hierarchy... So many translated south korean novels I've read gain layers upon layers of depth. Not in their general storytelling but instead in all things subtle. Everything, from their usual premise to how the conflicts are developed to how the protagonists and antagonists make their way through the story to how mythical beasts and places depictions of outside forces are done and even how the feelings these novels inspire makes more sense with the knowledge of this context. It all makes sense now.
If I were a content creator, I'd be HIGHLY inspired to make a video on that, because something that always felt off now clicks like the final piece of the Millenium Puzzle, and it unlocks a perspective of the world that along with these myriad little moments I experienced through the years in reading novels of varying qualities somehow led me to directly understand how these social dynamics work in a depth I simply didn't know I could without going there and experiencing that world without most cultural filters.
The sudden epiphany of understanding that type of social structure way more than what I expected of myself was simply amazing to experience. It was like wearing recently prescribed glasses after years of using an old pair. That is all I meant to say.
HOW did they conclude that refusing to check the instruments is a "measured response" to someone being scared?!
This is blatant insanity at that point!
Watch a school k-drama and you'll learn what koreans are like
no go to Korea, and you will understand what it is like... Even girls will flip you off if your ugly and such xD
@@ff7522 Any recommendations?
Everyone in the cockpit was Korean. As the oldest one there, in the position of captain, it was his right to slam the plane into a hill. I'm sure he was patted on the back and told "well done" in the afterlife.
@@ff7522 got any recommendations for k dramas?
I have a tendency to follow many fandom artists even if I don't speak their languages, and I noticed that direct translations of their tweets were overtly formal and full of rhetorical negatives. I thought it was an error on part of the translation machines, but after watching this and leaning of these courtesy patterns it's evident how they are expected to submit to their audience...
Moon Channel viewers tell me that my community posts often read like work emails and that I can be a bit over deferential to the audience when it comes to channel direction.
These, for lack of a better term, subconscious cultural behaviors can be hard to shake sometimes!
@@moon-channel 'Tis better to receive a false positive than a false negative. Caution beforehand can be corrected whereas ignorance afterward cannot. There is, indeed, a fine line between work fun and fun at work.
The idea that the common folk should have more control over the actions of a company than the company itself sounds frankly ludicrous to me, _especially_ if there's a focus on hierarchy.
You know North Korea, that bizarre, absurd dictatorship and how over the top everything there is?
After working in South Korea and getting to know their working culture, chaebols and how they treat each other, that place in the north doesn't seem so bizarre and absurd anymore. One could even say it's typically Korean.
agree
Just one is poor and the other is rich
Ahh yes one definetelly doesn t have a dictator that would mrder your family if you spoke against him.@@PS3PCDJ
Both inherently hierarchical, one controlled by neoliberal capitalism and another by a true dictatorship.
God Bless Samsung I guess.
@@kaanarmutcu6740 south korea still went through like 5 dictatorships
As a Limbus Company player I already kinda knew what this was gonna be about, but the Lobotomy Corp music immediately was the funniest confirmation ever lol
I am kinda ticked that we lost wonderlab.
the wonderlab drama was, iirc, not directly tied towards PM. it was the artist versus trolls kind of drama (but i believe some tension from the LCB incident seeped into this)
@@natsood9030 Upset at the trolls, not really at PM. I mean I am somewhat upset at PM but for different reasons.
yeah i uninstalled the game seeing as how absolutely absurd that whole situation was. i thought it crazier seeing anyone defending PM over vell at the time. vell caught strays for no good reason.
Something important you didn't mention that project moon is suing them because they shared confidential documents of vellmori that she didn't wish to be shared to public
This plus the youth union apology is what has me believing that PM is telling the truth about Velmori. Why would you apologize so fully on someone you were investigating for unjust labor practices? It's such a bad look for the union to back down.
Plus, both statements on how Velmori was dismissed come from PM itself. It'd be a completely different thing if Velmori or some other party announced her firing, but all we have to go against is PM's own word. Its a really strange set of statements, but considering PM's prior record of communication and making well-meaning but clumsy mistakes, it does track.
@@random767612e You can exactly tell who were the tourists that just now got into PM or was bandwagoning and who were the OGs just by looking at their reactions of the announcement. From EA LC and LoR, to their many interviews, they have shown and given precedence that they really are just well-meaning but clumsy idiots.
They shared confidential documents that the company didn't wish to be shared to the public. The artist has been radio silent for months, anyone who claims to speak for her is probably lying or heavily exaggerating the truth, and yes, that includes the company.
@@edenwarr9670 and people have to believe you because you are who?
The documents that was leaked was own Vellmori lawyer that was shared to proven the evidence of the whole case and even compensation of vellmori if the documents was fake vellmori or the GYU and PMUA could use it and send PM down the gutter and how GYU pulled their statement show that PMUA leaked documents were true and now getting sued for their actions against Vellmori
Trying to spin the truth make you sound like the red headband users
@@edenwarr9670 and people have to believe you because you are who?
The documents that was leaked was own Vellmori lawyer that was shared to proven the evidence of the whole case and even compensation of vellmori if the documents was fake vellmori or the GYU and PMUA could use it and send PM down the road and how GYU pulled their statement show that PMUA leaked documents were true and now getting sued for their actions against Vellmori
Trying to spin the truth make you sound like the red headband users
It's more honorable to risk your social status to save 200+ people than it is to let them die out of fear of offending your superiors.
@warpigs9069- Not in South Korea apparently.
Sounds like somebody doesn’t appreciate the healing powers of harakiri
@@christianmathew398It’s not about honour 💀 What brain dead thought-
It’s like that prison experiment. Habit to culture of authority.
@@anomienormie8126 I mean... sure, but still. You'd think if you KNOW 250 people are maybe about to die you get over it a LITTLE quicker. To their credit they DID break their cultural conditioning and raise a stink eventually... I think MOST of the burden is on the Captain assuming he knew best, instead of actually working with his cockpit crew and trusting that they knew what they were doing too.
No, if what the video says is true, then if he had saved the plane, he would have been ostracized.and reprimanded regardless
The Korean Air story is baffling. Im not fluent in this hierarchical double speak but after putting it the cultural context it makes too much sense that I can imagine the voice and tension of the crew in those final moments. I did wonder why they all sounded too calm that I thought it was Oxygen deprivation and they were losing it.
LOL. First World Countries are imploding
Hi folks! This is Moon Channel's first ever two-part video. I opted to skip the annual round-up video for now, and just go forward with the Korean Gacha Games Video. Let me know what you think! I'm curious to hear your thoughts, as always.
It's interesting I hope velmori is doing ok
Thanks for all the hard work mate. That was really enjoyable.
Oh and the "Memento Vellmori" was a great touch 😂😂
I just don’t understand why the end you said Fired or departed then said fired again are you siding with the fired theory because PM did and even GYU did that they didn’t fire her and her lawyer even was there and you didn’t even mention that they compensated her
Love your video, as always.
Something important you didn't mention that project moon is suing them because they shared confidential documents of vellmori that she didn't wish to be shared to public
fitting that this is uploaded just a few days after Yostar KR, the korean publishers of Arknights (a chinese gacha game developed by Hypergryph) cut ties with an artist who had once tweeted in support of international womens day.... 6 years ago. this apparently isnt their first time doing something like this either, which says a lot
I also learnt a bit about this yesterday from someone talking about this with the yostar kr situation, incredibly sad and frustrating when it really did seem the illustrator did nothing wrong :c
that game also often has summer event drama
It goes to show how bad sexism is in the world tbh and how it's not just a western issue like some people like to claim
@@lssjgaming1599i’m sorry, _who_ said that sexism is a Western thing?
If anything, as soon as you bring up sexism here in the West you’ll get hit with the good old “you have it so much better than in other parts of the world, why are you even complaining”
@@WhitePaintbrush Many people love to pretend that japan / korea doesnt have these issues and everything from there is apolitical where as it is the westerners who are ruining things by bringing in feminism, class or other politics
20:00 The thing is, the event was 100% a prank. Nothing about the event was actually your typical beach episode as people thought. Rather, it diverted expectations by placing the LCB crew into a position where they were expecting to go to an actual beach, and then ended up dropping them and the player into a polluted shanty town slum on the edge of the ocean, with the order of going out an killing disgusting crabs day after day. If people had just *waited 10 fucking seconds* for it to release they would have found out that this was completely in like with the actual event, but they didnt.
I do think velmori's opinion matters in all this. yeah its a fight worth fighting but if she doesnt want the attention/to be a figure head in this then backing away from this particular case is the right call to me
That plane bit is a good show of why a strict hierarchy is bad. Yeah, the captain is the captain, but the engineer probably knows the systems inside and out. By merit, he should be the person saying what to do when something isn't working. A Meritocracy is always better than other options.
we have enough understanding of social structures today that there is no excuse for still believing any strict hierarchy is a good thing even when they are necessary, goodhart's law alone should prove to you that meritocracy is always going to end up falling back into a system where those with power hoard more of it and push others down to conserve it
I *CANNOT STAND* the way "High Context" people communicate. Aside from the sheer audacity of disallowing someone from speaking their mind, there's the fact that this convoluted tip-toeing around is responsible for so many unbelievably needless tragedies. It is so wildly against all reason and survivalistic evolution that it is utterly baffling to me how it still persists-- genuinely the product of a culture where the elite have 'domesticated' their populace into subservient thralls. I can think of nothing more despicable. This is the future the elite want and I hate to sound like a self-righteous colonizer but there are genuinely times where a culture *does* need to be dismantled, the asian Hierarchy part of their cultures *is* one of those cases. It is utterly detrimental to humanity at large to allow it to persist.
@@Starfloofle maybe, but change can't be forced
Its not hierarchy, its just bad management and people...
Meritocracy is bad joke. The countries with the most meritocratic systems on earth ARE the Confucian ones. The countries where kindergartners have a full schedule outside of school of more school so they can have a slim chance of doing well enough on their exams so they can get a desk job where they are verbally abused all day.
If you want a meritocracy prepare for the kinds of wars that the willful people who don't quite measure up are willing to engage in. The second bloodiest war in human history happened because of the failures of meritocracy.
I remember reading a magazine in the article it talk about how korean women were protesting because cameras were found in public bathroom watching this vid reminded me about that event
Apparently that's a big issue there.
And then Korean women set up cameras in men's bathrooms and uploaded nudes of underaged boys in "protest" lmfao. Why nothing will change/get better.
@@neidhardt8093 Well shit, if that's true, I can only declare I'm fully with the feminists on that one (I mean I am anyway, but you know what I mean.). I wish them luck in raising serious hell until behavior like that is punished swiftly and harshly. My solidarity goes out to them in their endeavors period, if this video is any indication Korean feminists have a serious uphill battle ahead of them. (So do feminists period, but it sounds like Korean feminists have a few degrees worse battles ahead.)
this was such a misinformation campaign too, man it sucks how much these "radical feminism" shit undermines real feminism
There were people standing in that protest with sign saying "the perpetrator only got charged and sentenced fast because they were a woman (who was sneaking pictures)"
If you are talking about the Hyehwa Station protest, that protest happened because feminists were angry how fast police caught the culprit. They were angry because they think the reason why they caught the culprit "so fast" was because culprit was female.
In simple, the culprit was female, the victim was male, and feminist got angry because they caught culprit so fast, they went on a protest.
i feel like i walked into the wrong classroom at Uni, and stayed for the lecture anyway.
When you see what's happening towards games and/or its company in South Korea with the notable ones like Limbus Company, you just gotta think to yourself the absolute mess that's going on with both South Korean men and women. Not to say gender wars don't exist outside of South Korea since it can happen within any country, especially the United States.
I mean I wouldn't call it a gender war. Calling it a war implies there's like equal power on both sides. Korea is pretty patriarchal. Women have it really rough. The epidemic of spy cameras being in the women's restrooms, physical violence, paygap, idol culture, etc.
Their problems show how petty ours can be at times.
Can someone elaborate?
@@NoqtisElaborate on what exactly?
@@ohwell1547
How Jeffron didn't delete himself, obviously.
I'm gonna be totally honest here, your description of Korea sounds like hell to me. I can logically understand there is a lot of nuance here, and simply a whole lot of cultural meaning and norms I am unaware of, that would make life acceptable, not torture at all. Ways to circumvent the limitations of personal freedom you describe.
But my initial emotional response to what you describe, is a place I would avoid at all cost. I wouldn't adhere to such silly rules even with a gun pointed to my head.
@@stereomachineKorea sounds like hell for autistic people. I am sure it is fine to vist, and I do want to at some point in the future. Living there sounds troubling though.
I just wonder what the consequences are for lying about your age
Their birth rate is extremely low and their suicide rate is number 10 globally, and is the highest of all "first world" nations. The Koreans don't seem to be doing well in Korea either.
This is what happens when your country doesn't have grass for people to touch
@@bestaround3323 iirc the country is generally not very friendly towards people with disabilities as there is little infrastructure to accommodate, let alone mental/cognitive dysfunctions. i saw a video of a man in a wheelchair trying to get in/off a bus, & the bus didn't have a wheelchair lift or ramp. no one helped him.
It’s crazy how this whole thing started because the Ishmael pic. Like, it’s not that it was previously sexy and then Moon covered it up (which could be its own can of worms), but that it wasn’t sexy ENOUGH.
It’s like if you went to see a movie, and then burned the theater down because the movie didn’t have enough nudity in it. Expecting every single piece of media to specifically cater to your standards feels a little self-centered.
Ironically, it's the exact same way that people who don't like sexy media get mad and demand that characters should be covered up. It's like every issue on the internet devolves into a bunch of crazy people who act almost identically except for the one issue they're fighting over.
It's even funnier when you take into account that compared to its predecessors, Limbus contains much more fan service.
Big notification on the swimsuit incident. i've seen it unfold from the first hour to the last statement and i have to say that the video gives off a nasty misinformation on it, which is awkward, since the topic of this video should allign with the case perfectly.
You see, the reason for the START of the incident was >>NOT
@@shinymetagross1666 yeah, there just superficial to the point where both are awful.
what's hilarious about your analogy was that there was an incident where some Korean grandma burned down a cell service provider's branch location because, iirc, her "cell phone bill was too high"
17:55 "Beneath the Innisfree toner"
19:33 "Hyung-ing and oppa-ing"
I cackled.
Between this video and the other one about video games for girls, you got yourself a new subscriber.
And here I thought the video game-related video essays niche on youtube is already so saturated, there can't be no new topics to talk about anymore.
Apparently not.
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You said that this is just _"how capitalism is supposed to work"._ Makes sense since it is the source of all evils, not the humans themselves. /s
I'm deeply familiar with Japanese customs and use of language, but know comparatively little about Korean culture, so the explanation of Korean hierarchical culture was very interesting to me.
I play a game called Nikke, a Korean gacha game that on the surface is 100% fanservice, just T&A as far as the eye can see. But once you actually play the game there's actually a very deep, emotional, well-told (if not particularly well-translated) story. Nikke are essentially robots, though technically cyborgs; human brains contained within mechanical bodies designed specifically to fight an invading race of alien robot creatures. Only women can be turned into nikke and all nikke have a specifically female outward appearance. One of the main conceits of the game is that nikke are generally distrusted and disliked by society, and specifically their (always human, implied always male) commanding officers treat them like dogs. Part of the reason for this is that the lion's share of military officer training consists of what amount to brainwashing sessions intended to condition them to treat nikke as disposable machines rather than thinking, autonomous people. The PC's primary defining feature is that they do NOT do this, instead treating the nikke under their command as comrades, confidants, and friends, and is thus able to command a high degree of loyalty and respect from even the strongest, most elite units.
This point has long been thought among the western fandom to be quite silly; typical anime harem BS where a man gets hordes of gorgeous women to throw themselves at his feet simply by being nice to them. Given the discussion in this video, however, in addition to the greater overall context of the game and it's story (specifically the way other commanders are depicted as treating nikke in a general sense) I begin to wonder if maybe it's a part of greater social commentary on Korean culture at large. Juxtaposed with the initial impression of the game as being pure degenerate fanservice, I find this all to be very interesting.
Thank you for the very insightful comment and analysis, Tiara: it gives me a lot to think about.
I also play Nikke and knowing more about the gender war helps me to appreciate the Game more and also puts into contexts some things that happen outside the Game like the controversy with Winter Rupee outfit change, with out the knowledge of the gender war this controversy feels really stupid since Rupee is still showing a lot of her assets in the outfit, but with the knowledge of the gender war it makes sense that even the smallest change could end up creating a controversy.
Granted I don't know all about the controversy since I joined after it happened so maybe i'm missing somethimg
that just how korean idol agency operate
That's good and interesting to know, as a western player (and by player I only mean HSR and Genshin...and cookie run that one time) I immediately assumed nikke was one of those games that had no story and just wanted to show bouncing boobs in action. Kind of hypocritical from a genshin player, but hey I'm not willingly "measuring pixels" of characters' chest sizes, man or woman.
Though I still have a western perspective I won't be able to easily ignore, if I ever download the game it'll be good to know the girls aren't just falling over some guy character because he was nice, like how an incel imagines he'll get a girlfriend. Hopefully the story will intrigue me enough to keep me playing and ignoring the boobs "breasting boobily", kind of like how Genshin's story to me is so amazing I'm half willing to ignore all the...everything else
I've always speculated South Korean militarism to be closely tied to this as well. If you view male-authored Korean media, then most of the time there'll be a frankly terrifying amount of worshipping the military.
As a korean, it makes me happy to see a foreigner actually take interest of the social going ons of korea...while I feel that your explanation of korean culture may have been a little too broad or generalized it all seems well reserached and intentioned...this may sound weird but it really did cheer me up to see someone outside of korea acknowledge this...thank you....
Are you male or female?
All I see is incels frothing at their mouths, threaten noninvolved people with physical violence and ruining their livelihood because their pngs didn't have boob window. Nothing historical about it - just brainless, entitled onanists.
@@erdibulku6848why's that even matter haha
@@helloneighbour2408 Chauvinists and Feminists who seek division instead of unity: "Because it does"
@@erdibulku6848 not so respectfullu, gtfo
As a half korean man brought up entirely detached from that half my heritage, this might be the most insightful look into korean history and culture I've seen yet. Every time I try to look up videos about korean history or culture, all I get are videos about food, kpop, tourist lures, and then little sprinklings of history videos that zone in on small pockets of time. Not even overly sarcastic productions has a video covering korean history as of yet. So thank you moony. I'm happy to know even a tiny bit more about my culture, even it's not a particularly flattering aspect.
Japan rule modernized corea in the most literal of the word
@@hominhmai5325 Yeah, through horrible colonization practices and cultural & physical genocide.
@@hominhmai5325 That helps me understand why Korea has so many of the same cultural deficiencies as Japan.
@@klickonthat5244 almost a classic by now
Stories like the Korean air one are why I don't immediately trust anyone's opinion when they try and compare an asian country's culture as immediately superior than America's, even in an unrelated aspect.
I would say "Or any country for that matter." if it wasn't Korea or Japanese I hear about the most being compared to American society as being the more "enlightened" culture.
Yes, same here.
There are so many things wrong with American culture, but holy shit at least you can usually be direct.
I remember watching the whole debacle occur over Reddit. It was chaotic to say the least. Misinformation was rampant.
Basing it off the timeline of events I'm somewhat aware of the train fell off the rails between the office occupation and the first official statement. What was implied through the translation led the way to the greater overall eruption of chaos that ensued shortly after, which highlighted the 'Korean Gender War' to the wider world.
The worst part about the whole thing? There was no real "justice" or "closure" to be found. Just a complete net loss.
there was never going to be a end
What happened to the office occupiers tho?
@@nabukotokeiok
@@antokarman2064I'll be frank and say I feel a bit disgusted by those people deciding to do that with their time. Also, I sincerely doubt any major action was taken against them. I'm surprised that much got taken for their sake.
A male Korean artist I really enjoy recently got conscripted, and it made me think about how influential gender roles are in Korea. Can't wait for part two, thanks Moony!
I believe the last two members of BTS just got conscripted, is that right? Part two will talk quite a bit about conscription, and the modern development of gender roles in Korea! I hope you will share your thoughts with me then, too.
Speeaking of conscription, Einstein was severely advocating against having conscription, he loathed war and conscription was only hurting people and festering more adverse climate.@@moon-channel
@@TheOrian34 Sounds about right. One of the actors on the Amazon TV series The Boys, Tomer Capone (who plays Frenchie, one of the main characters.), has been MIA for awhile and it's heavily speculated that because he's Israeli, he got conscripted to aid in the genocide of Palestine.
@@TheOrian34yeah like, makes sense to people who don't initiate those conscriptions 💀
@@TheOrian34 Conscription in a militia system is ok only if usable to defend the country, like in Switzerland where the army's prerogatives are defined in the constitution.
ishmael and sinclairs ids were also based on two characters from the mini chapter the event was based on. those two characters are rain and olga, both returning characters from library of ruina. Olga being the leader of their office and the strongest of their trio, this carries into limbus where the three after the ending of ruina are dropped back into the city and find themselves in district U where they open a repair shop to get enough money to move somewhere else. Olga due to her strength gathers the parts they need by killing trash crabs which carry them like a shell, therefore she has diving gear and a massive drill, it fits her work while rain and mika both work with repairs and such. District U is largely just a big lake and pretty warm so it makes sense for rain to be wearing light clothes and therefore sinclair aswell since his id is based on rain
Dude this is the first video of yours I’ve seen. It was recommended to me and I’m happy it was. Clicked to hear some drama, and got a fantastic history lesson instead. This is part of why learning history is so important. What happens in the present doesn’t happen out of nowhere. It happens as part of a long series of events that came decades and centuries before it.
Exactly, if only others appreciated this
As someone who grew up in a society where most forms of hierarchy are routinely ignored, often for simple disinterest, it's always wild to hear about other parts of the world where it is enforced to the extent of seriously messing with daily life and even things of critical importance. Also the idea of formal speech being a complex multi-level affair with unequal treatment sounds a bit like a nightmare, in my native language (Spanish) it's simply an on-or-off kinda deal and it's always a two way thing mutually agreed on the fly.
thats why spain is a third world country
That is why their society is terminally ill
Crazy timing with what's happening with the KR publisher of Arknights.
Knowing the social backgrounds, the existence of all the trashy webtoons/manhwa about bullying, especially if it's a revenge story, makes a lot of sense to me now.
EDIT: If you know some webtoon/manhwa that isn't like that, then I would appreciate that.
hey it's not all trash.
Also, try the breaker.
Too bad Kakao is making reading any of them more difficult.
The Fabled Warrior kind of examines the isekai genre from its shoujo demographic roots and contrasts it against modern isekai expectations all while wrapping it up in a queer-adjacent found family bow where the main character is a middle aged woman. It's *awesome.*
Also SSS-Class Revival Hunter seems trashy from the premise but it is so freaking good. The main character is like legitimately insane and comes close to becoming your average wish fulfillment revenge plot incel MC but is explicitly taken from that path by the bonds he forges with others. Also for those who've read ahead in the webnovel, I feel like the author would have liked to write him as a woman instead lmao
Also yeah the monopoly Kakao has on Korean media right now is really disturbing.
yup, also most k-dramas have bullying
I know a good ongoing, webtoon:
The Academy's Undercover Professor
Its good give it a try
I remember there being a Korean on 4chan who'd go on a schizo feminism rant whenever someone would post anything relating to this topic.
I was actually caught in the crossfire of the Limbus drama. My tweet on it blew up, and I ended up being one of the first investigative responders, so to speak, on the matter in the English world, and had created a thread with resources in the opening hours. I kept up the reporting until normal outlets could take over, but in that first 24 hours, it was intense, and I learned so much about the gender war in SK. Got hit by both SK incels and feminists. We use that term so loosely everyday, it was a wake-up call to know that somewhere out there, it is an actual war.
Same here, and I especially relate with being harassed and attacked by both Korean feminists and anti-feminists. neither care about correct information, and both sides tried so hard to take advantage of foreign fan's ignorance to feed them crap.
@@user-ky2hg7fg4jsame here.
@@user-ky2hg7fg4j lol sure Anti Feminist
@@user-ky2hg7fg4j thats sadly just very fitting way to describe modern politics not only from feminist and anti feminist in a lot of countries but also political parties, no sides care about what its truth or not just about getting advantage over the other.
Between the gender war , the birth rate on decline and other stuff, I sometimes just said "Korea, buddy, are you okay?"
The plane stuff is just...so unfortunate. I have spent almost two and a half years living in Korea, and have been heavily entrenched in its culture and language for almost ten years, so I understand very well how such an incident could occur. It's precisely because of this sort of thing that a lot of people in jobs such as piloting an aircraft speak English instead of Korean. Coming from a place of love and respect for the culture, I nonetheless have to say that it is so unbelievably stupid to allow cultural norms to get in the way of common sense safety measures. I love Korea, and consider it my second home. So I really hope that people get over themselves and allow their society to change for the good of everyone in it. (Of course, I recognize that my own country of the US has many similar issues. I am just as critical of the US, as anyone can see by looking at other comments I've made on other videos.)
You sound like a leftist weeb. Trying to push your SJW politics on asia
It was also a contributing factor to the Sewol Ferry disaster in 2014, which killed 304 people. A lot of them were Korean youth; adding to the tragedy and absolute madness that is Korean culture. This happens over and over again & spills over into the lack of innovation and willingness to change for the better.
Thats not cultural norm, its just plain out withholding or laziness. 10 years in Korea and you said that is a norm, you have much to learn xD
i'm so so so insanely grateful for you covering this; the majority of my twitter mutuals are korean so i've seen glimpses of this issue but have never been sure exactly what's going on, so this is really helpful!!! looking forward to part 2!
I like how you use real historical example to explain every concept in the video. 1 instant sub.
Really appreciated you going over the plane crash.
I'm a pilot, and for the kind of flying I do, we have to do a course every year on "Crew Resourse Managment", which (to summarize) tries to emphasize that every person from the flight crew to ground personel are important and need to be listened to and kept a part of the loop to help reduce workload, increase saftey, and create a plesant working environment.
I've been lectured and read about this crash, as well as the Tenerife disaster a million times, so i can say, this was an excellent retelling and analysis of this crash.
Many crashes have occured because a large authority gradient caused some people who saw an issue and could even prevent it from escalating to say/do nothing. Thanks to CRM courses, those kinds of accidents and toxic cockpit environments have been drasically reduced.
Again, great video! :-)
LOL. First World Countries are imploding
The Ishmael situation was so sad for the long date PM fans. We saw dozens of amazing pieces of fan works (animations, ilustrations, mods for their games, etc) slowly disapear and the love of the fans turning into hatred from a day to another.
You mean many Fans began to Dump Project Moon after the incident.
@@arnowisp6244 Many how? As i last see we hit 25k player when the max player count was 30k so why are you lying
@@arnowisp6244 why are fk lying, you always lying. OOOUUUUHHHHH oh my god, stop fkin lying~
I LOST SO MANY ARTISTS THAT DAY 😭
I remember this REALLY cool artist who remade existing vocaloid mvs but replaced them with limbus characters! But then out of nowhere I couldn't find their channel and their videos when I wanted to show them to a relative who also likes limbus :( the MVS are probably lost media nowadays
As foreigners outside of the typical hierarchy, you can likely expect to be asked your age far less than if you were Korean. I don't think any of my Korean friends asked me my age.
Age dynamics: older, younger and foreigner
@@jmiquelmb the superiority complex is actually insane
because you receive special treatment due to being a foreigner, south korea unironically, is not made for south koreans, its a honeypot for foreigners to dabble their interests in.
Basically in Asian culture foreigners are seen on the same level as young children who don't know any better, so they're giving a free pass on a lot of social expectations but only because they're effectively seen as monkeys with clothes.
The ENTIRE time you were talking throughout both videos, the only thought i could possibly think was how completely this all lines up with the actual plots of every single Project Moon game. I knew they were critiques of capitalist systems but, hearing it all layed out just like this it’s impossible not to notice.
I noticed any issue, even if it has nothing to do with feminism gets blamed on feminist over there. I was looking into the situation about that Korean webtoon that used the N word, calling black characters monkey, while looking at the comments from Korea I saw they were blaming feminist for it being taken down and not like you know the blatant racism in it.
Apparently that manhwa also had some anti feminist arc in it. Note: The Korean view of feminism is inherently that it is radical and ridiculous
The arc went like this: some girly girl student that did make up and such was bullied by her feminist teacher for promoting gender roles through her acting like that and constantly berating the student, implying that she and her femininity was the problem with society
@@Sh12pen Ah I see, it seems to me like these arcs they have are a very exaggerated twist on what isn't the reality of these situations. Idk enough about Korean feminism but I can't see a feminist teacher bulling a student for femininity. I think the author was just trying to push their weird agendas.
@@viheart your Original post was right, but this one seems like an outright lie lol.
@@helloneighbour2408 my comment is only speculations, nothing 100% because I'm not Korean and idk how it is over there, it's just based on my own personal observations.
this is a good watch as always but mannn i can't help but be hit with a huge wave of dread every time that the july pm shituation is brought up. i will admit that i'm inclined to take a more charitable position toward pm because they're one of my favorite dev studios of all time, and the whole situation was absolutely fucked and it was impossible to get any accurate information about what was happening and some of that misinfo is still circulating
but these are some details i think are important for further context:
-the director was in japan when this whole thing started hence the slow response
-the reason they're suing that guy is because a private legal document regarding the situation was leaked
-that document says that the artist quit and that pm has proof that she quit, and that she was compensated for 2 years worth of salary
-yamato kasai of mili made a vague tweet when this was all blowing up obviously about pm that said they shouldn't have said anything publicly and let the lawyers handle it (cassie has also maintained her support for pm though she hasn't touched too much on the details of the situation, and she got harassed for it)
what little mili has said and the details of the legal document make me think that there are lots of details that aren't known to people outside of pm that we'll likely not know until what comes of the legal action and even then there will probably be things that we'll never know about what went down. the situation left me feeling extremely cynical about how people try to twist facts or straight up spread false info to fit their narrative. even though i sound sympathetic to pm, i think they're at fault for handling this the worst possible way they could have and it would have been wise to let a professional handle it.
i sincerely hope vellmori is doing alright in spite of all this, and it's extremely fucked up how this has created a ripple effect where these losers are doing the same to other dev studios. they need to feel the consequences of their actions for once in their lives
I hadn't even thought about that, but you're right. These losers got exactly what they wanted, and will probably be emboldened to do this again next time some stupid bullshit ruffles their jimmies and they think they can just bully a company into taking it out on women for any reason. I hope the guys who broke into PM HQ get some kind of consequences for this. I also hope Vellmori is doing alright.
I said it earlier, but call me a corporate shill but I can’t help but feel bad for PM, they got thrown through the mud over a bloody swimsuit, PM may not have handled it in the best way at the start, but the other side (the “PMUA”) apparently were, from what I’ve heard, a bit sketchy in their own right. I still dont even know much of anything since the whole incident was a clustertruck.
@@Beepers559 Kinda hard to be a corporate shill when the "corporation" has like 50 employees at best.
@@NIHIL_EGO I know they’re not big, but I didn’t want to seem like a shill for Pm because I felt bad for them, I just want them to succeed
@@Beepers559 I definitely think PM were victims in this scenario, so was Vellmori, but they got heat over a ridiculous nontroversy fueled by sexism that resulted in their office being raided by angry sexist dudes. Hard to say they deserved that since what the raiders were mad about was a swimsuit on a fictional character and a conspiracy cooked up entirely in their head.
I am on the spectrum and have a very hard time understanding non-verbal communication and some categories of pointless (to use few words) formalities. The plane segment made me want to tear my hair out, am I glad I do not live in a guess culture or either I'd hate everyone or everyone would hate me.
Same. I'm also on the spectrum, and the only way I've found to deal with non-verbal communication is to actively analyze behavior. Conversations feel like talking while reading Greek.
If I was born in SK I'd probably be insane or be in a box after speedrunning my life.
That is difficult for anyone to decipher. Unless, of course, you live in a society where that is normal.
I'm not on the spectrum but if i was there i would tell them if i wanted to guess every single interaction i wouldn't have ended my relationship with my ex lol
This whole thing is so embarrassing, imagine being so upset about a character design that you harass and get fired a completely unrelated woman. That isnt normal.
did you watch the 2 videos
@@el6700 Haven't watched the second one just yet, am I missing some important context?
@@samprice1302Nope you are in right track part 2 is same but much bigger impacts that even government had inspect whole gaming industries in south Korea
Man, this is quickly becoming one of my favourite channels. Great narration, grounded in good research and argumentation while keeping up an engaging presentation.
hey guys here's my engaging presentation of an Ace Attourney avatar taken completely out of its element and gaping idiotically at political drivel
The sheer dissonance between the outfit making me groan a bit and the reactions saying it was too tame kept making me laugh throughout the video. It also makes me think I really wouldn't enjoy living in Korea, as nice as it might be in other aspects.
History just hits different when the Final Fantasy soundtrack fades in slowly underneath. Awesome video Moony!
I find myself confused why players were complaining about the wetsuit. Sure, there’s less skin being shown, but the idea that showing skin is the only way to be “sexy” is just… boring. Yeah, the wetsuit wasn’t *explicit*, but there’s no reason that it can’t be sexy.
Agreed, if they believe you have to show skin to be sexy, the characters might as well be naked
I would argue that it even WAS sexy, the wetsuit is clearly thin, you can see her skin tone underneath it, implying that it’s thin. It’s ridiculous that these men got so angry over an (what I’d say) explicitly sexual piece of art. And then, after that, they harassed a completely innocent women. And THEN the company shat all over that innocent women for things completely unrelated to her. Like if (for instance) my mother, who herself doesn’t really care with others wear, saw this skin, she’d say it was sexual.
You have to realize that Korea is more sexually repressed than Japan is. Most porn is outlawed, as opposed to Japan where porn is allowed but blurred.
The point is not about not being "sexy", is about to repeal the society changes. They see womens getting more political power and visibility, and the notion that a woman character is not explicit sexualized because the target demographics that need to be appeased is not predominately male anymore make them rage. Its the same discourse in the west, about the introduction of minority characteres that in the past would'nt be a such controversial topic but its is now, its because the male white demographic feel threatened that will not be anymore the model of the "normal".
The entitlement and the fact they protested so aggressively as if they were protesting a war draft is crazy.
Thanks for dropping that maplestory inlogmusic to lower my blood pressure in the middle of the vid. I needed that boost of calm inbetween this... Madness
Agreed
oh god you're not gonna like part 2 then
The lobotomy corp music in the intro made me panic trying to find a game tab that wasn't even open
i would do a lot of things for my waifu, but i don't think i'd resort to terrorism! maybe a strongly worded and misspelled thread on reddit :P
wonderful video as always moony
With the recent news about the AI deepfake issues in Korean society right now, this video is just as relevant right now as ever.
This is the only channel that mixes videogames and history, two things that I absolutely love, so seamlessly together. And not often do I find myself hyped for a channel's uploads, but I legitimately can't wait for the next part. Keep it up, this is some great stuff!
"duh american man have gun and shoot shoot for trade and also feminist fight against the confucian male heirachy, see how the korean man defer to elder man authority? CONFUCIANISM!"
The only history mentioned was the names of several wars, the rest was stereotypical sludge.
Screwed up how on the very day when you release this, a similar thing occurs with Arknights
Thank you for the video Moonie, as a small brain haver I do appreciate a lawyerly precise summary of the cultural context
Oh no not arknights the rythm game i totally not found out about after playing Muse Dash
Wait, really? Was there some drama over the new holiday event? Wasn't the Ch'en debacle years ago?
What’s going on with Arknights? Are people complaining that loudly about adding shorts to Swire’s swimsuit? Or about how she bears a coincidental resemblance to Nevia? Or are people complaint about Myrtle’s swimsuit? Was going on? (°_°)
@@FelisImpurrator I'm not an AK player so I only heard stuff second-hand, but the lady who won the fanart contest had her artwork deleted by KR Arknight's publisher for sharing a celebratory Google doodle on Women's Day
In 2019
@@LastMinuteEssaysyikes
I would like to mention at this point 7:54 that everyones base outfit was in fact just a suit and tie
That is very relevant, thanks
@@ekkehard8 my guy, you are 3 weeks late,you are the one irrelevant
@@jodahvejniyarchimag5176 ?? I was not being sarcastic. Dimwit.
@@jodahvejniyarchimag5176 i was not being sarcastic. Dim- RUclips censor deleted this comment before-wit.
almost 50 minutes and it's just part 1? It's almost 2am but now I'm hooked damnit!
Part 2 is up!!!
This was all very interesting since I don't really know much about Korea. I think the introduction covering gacha games and what their players expect versus the way Project Moon did business was nicely done - it will help anyone who isn't familiar with gacha games, and it helped me as someone who has zero context for this game or its developer.
It's obviously a much bigger deal given the broader current context, but it does remind me of a couple of Japanese games that had some controversies caused by misinformation built on assumptions (and likely bad-faith actors).
Final Fantasy XIV's (now famously) troubled early development included items from chocobos that had "馬鳥" ("horse-bird") in their names. Now, anyone who played FFXI previously in Japanese could tell you that this was just a kind of made-in-Japan-Chinese, somewhat analogous to the fake Latin in Harry Potter, because they used that kind of naming all the time. But a small number of people took that odd phrase along with the badly constructed areas in the game, and started a story about how the development of FFXIV had been farmed out to China somehow. This story was even more persuasive after English outlets had posted it as if it were verifiable fact, and some people probably still believe it to this day. 馬鳥 isn't even the Chinese word for chocobos (it sounds weird to them too, because it was made up by a Japanese person!), but most Japanese speakers didn't know enough Chinese to know that, and most English speakers didn't know either enough Japanese or Chinese to figure out what happened. Happily in the end, it's mostly remembered as a funny word and both Square Enix and FFXIV are doing just fine.
More recently, a group of people got angry with the adult game maker Lose once their most recent game, Maitetsu, attained some level of success in China. When a follow-up to the original story came out, they blamed the lack of sex scenes for a new character on trying to appease more restrictive overseas markets and started review bombing, posting comments to that effect, etc. Eventually Lose decided to close up shop and cease all production of new erotic games entirely over the controversy. They still do business by reselling the console/all-ages version under the brand "RaRo," and probably make way more money for way less effort selling ASMR voice stuff under their "whisp" brand, but...a bit less of a happy ending than FFXIV's. If anyone even bothers to read this wall of text, I'm trying to be fairly vague with this one, but long-time fans in the niche that Lose catered to really got screwed by a loud group of people on this one.
unironically the moment you mentioned Korean hierarchy i remember Analogue: A Hate Story and I went oh no
why did you remind me of that game. now ill be depressed for a week
i think its not just gender wars but political wars in general, genshin impact (a chinese game) was holding a convention in sk when they received a bomb threat by a south korean nationalist who wanted sk to have as little chinese influence as possible.
Speaking of Mihoyo, there was also the whole assassination attempt on the CEO a few years back.
@@ArbitraryOutcome well that was a chinese thing not a korean thing (iirc)
@@vantagehgc3499 True.
@@vantagehgc3499 god damn, and i here read is as almost e assasination is part. chinese culture or something
Mihoyo had the Scaramouche thing.
I was literally randomly taken here by youtube algorithum and am accidentally deeply invested in this case. Thanks for putting together this wonderful essay!
The indirect communication reminds me a lot of the Southern USA. I've known some "sweet children" (naive) and "fun loving guys" (alcoholic).
Edit: added translations
"Aww, bless your heart!"
@@FractalShoggoth "You fucken idiot" Translation.
@@AL-lh2ht I find it ironic you had to go around saying retarded in a topic about being indirect.
"Aren't you just peachy?"
Very good video, but I you forget to mention that PM director wasnt in SK when that happen, he was in japan for some publicity in a japense mobile show or something to give the game more publicity in japan, which is the main reason of the slown respond and some other things.
The section about the plane crash was heartbreaking... thank you Moonie for this great video, it was insightful and interesting while being focused on heavy subject matter.
One of the most in depth & well compiled cultural deep dive I’ve ever watched. I don’t even play gatcha games
Im ngl based off the video description i was thinking of avoiding this video as topics like this tend to just frustrate or stress me out. But your way of delivering information is very endearing and leads to me being able to calmly take in info even if some may be distasteful to me.
I don't want to breathe the same air as someone who thinks wetsuits aren't hot.
As an occasional scuba diver and windsurfer I can confirm that wetsuits are hot, though not in the aesthetic sense…
What did you expect from worst koreans?
They really are not.
would
@@monobryn64 I agree, fellow windsurfer. Nobody comments on my aesthetic, but everybody comments on how crazy they think I am by going to the beach in almost freezing temperature :D
I think this is currently happening with arknights. Their korean account posted something vague, and its supposedly about an artist celebrating womens day with a google doodle. I dont know much about the topic at hand tho.
that artist made that doodle years ago. its just the publisher having major brainrot for stupid reason
@@SorarikoMotone And even if the doodle was recent, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. These people are just violently sexist crybabies.
@@smanitagorolebglawal309 I think it's quite asinine that they even got fired for it honestly
@@smanitagorolebglawal309 yeah, i'm just saying the context, nobody smart enough thinks that it was ok to do this in the first place
Legitimately one of the stupidest examples of cancel culture I've ever seen. It's like the words "feminist" and "woman" are the trigger words for sleeper agents or something 💀
The fact that VellMori hasn't made a statement says most of it here. VellMori most likely signed an NDA where they are not allowed to discuss the situation with the public, which implies VellMori was pressured to leave from the higher ups.
We're opening up with Lobotomy Corporation music. Could it be true that the Moon channel is in fact part of the Project Moon Cult?
EDIT: we literally start with the ProMoon drama, nevermind lmao
I did quite enjoy Library of Ruina!
@@moon-channel Happy to hear it! I've been into Project Moon's work for years now, and they're probably my favorite game studio in general. I tried my best to understand the drama through the language barrier and misinfo as it occurred last summer, but always felt my understanding was incomplete. I came to this video for the 'normal' reasons, the title, interesting topic, etc. But it's a very happy coincidence I can finally learn about what REALLY happened there.
@@moon-channel I'm still broken by a certain story about trains.
Featuring Roland from Library of Ruina for Nintendo Switch is now real!
I was just plaing Lob Corp before clicking on the video so hearing the music triggered my fight or flight response
Ugh... as one suffering in the middle of another gender war, it is eye-opening to see how similar stupid things happen in other countries. It's one of those "I hate it, but I can not look away" situations. And you bet I will be watching the second part of this video.
My favorite Moony-ism is officially "you may be wondering, what does X have to do with Y? Well, my friends, X has *everything* to do with Y".
Absolutely love it. I've been waiting since I've watched this go down, especially after talking to my friends obsessed with PM on the Ishmincident. I've always known there was more to it, and I'm hopeful that Moony can deliver the goods as always