He did as a plan of invasion, not for survival, and the difference is that Ragnar didn't mean it nor follow the Christian traditions afterwards. Torvi and Ubbe fully converted
Ragnar did it by choice, that Bjorn knew his baptism ultimately benefitted the Vikings. Who does Ubbe's baptism benefit? I think Bjorn rather saw it as a cost to pay for survival.
@Tony Mario The vikings way of life was absolutely not dying at that time, we haven't even see the discoveries of Greenland by Eric the red, of North America. We haven't even see Ivar and Alfred fight in England
Given that the historical Bjorn Ironside also converted to Christianity and tried to get an audience with the Pope (who paid him to go away) this show will end with all the heathens either converted or dead. Iceland was the last Viking country to officially become Christian in 1000 AD.
@@Surtur99 Sweden was officially Christianized before Iceland but they allowed the older traditions to persist largely unmolested for centuries (the neopagan idea of the "Burning Times" is a myth because the Protestant Church that took over in the 1500s never had an official organization devoted to stamping out "witches"). The only official campaign against older traditions was committed by the Swedish government in the 19th century against the Sami people, who are technically speaking NOT Swedes!
Christianity never really converted Scandinavia really it synthesized with it more than anything and spawned something later popes would have considered a heresy but due to its relative isolation no one ever really cared enough to look into it
@@DrEgonCholakian Ya got that right...remnants of earlier traditions persisted in some parts of Europe (particularly among the Sami people of the most northern parts of Norway, Sweden and Finland) They were not actively persecuted by the Protestant Church (the Inquisition that most neopagans claim was responsible for the "Burning Times" was of course a purely Catholic phenomenon and mostly persecuted Jews and heretics not "pagans") and the most active persecutions of the Sami were undertaken by the Swedish government in the 19th century and the Soviets and Nazis in the early 20th century. Not only that but the traditions of the Sami people are completely different from what the Asatru and other modern neopagan groups usually ascribe to prechristian Northern Europe...I keep telling people these things but they simply don't want to believe me!
@@sarahgray430 Its okay in CK2 as Ragnar i reformed the pagan faith and kept capturing and sacrificing popes on a yearly basis until the catholics lost all moral authority and started converting to paganism
How can you be so sure that Ube is Ragnar's son? Maybe she just fucked random guys after Ragnar was gone, so she would get pregnant and could tell Ragnar that it was his. She was calculating and dishonest enough. Plus, every guy on that show seems to get cucked.
@@Garium87 they make a very very consistent point about how much like ragnar ubbe looks, where as the same thing, looking like ragnar, was used by bjorn when talking to rollo and he didnt recieve an answer
@@xxwhispersxx2856 wasn't really a retconn, just a juicy tidbit. Besides, the whole point of the scene was to prove that in all ways Bjorn was Ragnar's son.
Exactly man like this guy is just fucking dumb, blind and deaf all at the same time. He didn’t see Odin, he didn’t hear Odin tell him anything, and he was too dumb to realise it was Odin. Ubbe is just the dumbest on earth
Because we saw that he did renounce them, he didn’t believe in any Gods in the end. He literally told Ecbert what he was gunna say before execution, and that’s what he did. Lol.
I would have loved to see tempers flair and Bjorn and Ubbe to scrap it out at some point. That fist fight would have been one of the best battles of the series.
Ragnar had multiple reasons: experience a baptism, be closer to Athelstain, and take a Francia hostage. Ragnar was always curious about Christianity, because Athelstain was his best friend.
All that is true. Both Judith and Ecbert had hopes and dreams he would become king. It was something he was raised to believe in, Ecbert trained him, paid special attention to him. And yes, warned him about the reality, the burdens of ruling. Most of us will never understand, it is a double edged sword. In theory it is a wonderful thing, but living in it can be positively draining.
If he is a Catholic he is praying to God and want's Ecbert who being saved though Christ and became a Saint so he can add The power of his prayer to his and make more likely that God grants his request. It is called intercession of the Saints and he isn't praying to Ecbert although in this show it is shown as he was speaking to him, simultaneously praying to subconsciously reinforce stereotype of idolatry within Catholicism .
@@franciszekkowar3962 Well, thanks for the explanation but he isn't asking his grandfather to pray for him. He asks his grandfather to give him strength.
Sometimes I wonder u should of ever had children Bjorn as u neglected all of them plus UBBE has made peace with his mothers killer , Ubbe is most like Ragnar to me
He did so out of love and respect for Bjorn his half big brother. Plus, I think on some level he recognized that Lagertha didn’t do it to be malicious, but to get back her kingdom in the Viking way. Everyone played a hand in everyone’s death. Give someone enough rope and they hang themselves. I think Ubbe was just tired.
1:50 Me: Your father is in hell Bjorn: Hel? No, he was a viking, he's in Valhalla Me: No, he's in a lake of fire Bjorn: No, hel does not have fire Me: What? No, it does, you've been decieved Bjorn: No I wasn't Me: you kno what, fine, hes in Valhalla
you don't earn your name being appended with the phrase "the Great" by being a shit king, hes one of only 2 english rulers in history to be "The Great", the other being Cnut the Great, Alfred is responsible for the unification of what is now modern england and the restoration of London, legal millitary and educational reforms.
@@sarahgray430 Alfred was no fool even in the last kingdom were neuron doesnt exists anymore, but the hero of this show ... Damn I stopped watching it because of how DUMB Uhtred was
there reaction was obvious ! Vikings have a culture of there own even though its barbaric but converting to the faith of your enemy was a treason in ancient times ! so reasonable logic to be angry .even though I'll prefer them to be Christian's then barbaric instead
They all eventually converted as the Nordic kings knew they had to do if they wanted to form allegiances via marriage. They also realized blood drinking and human sacrifice was truly immoral.
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Ragnar was baptised in Paris to achieve his goal of sacking the city. Bjorne was there why not now be baptised to stay alive.
It seems the writers forgot about that. Bjorn SHOULD completely understand.
He did as a plan of invasion, not for survival, and the difference is that Ragnar didn't mean it nor follow the Christian traditions afterwards. Torvi and Ubbe fully converted
Ragnar did it by choice, that Bjorn knew his baptism ultimately benefitted the Vikings. Who does Ubbe's baptism benefit? I think Bjorn rather saw it as a cost to pay for survival.
@Tony Mario The vikings way of life was absolutely not dying at that time, we haven't even see the discoveries of Greenland by Eric the red, of North America.
We haven't even see Ivar and Alfred fight in England
Well Blackwolf Ragnar was base on the danish king who attack Paris
In Bjorns defense, it is daunting to trade one faith you've known for so long, for another.
Given that the historical Bjorn Ironside also converted to Christianity and tried to get an audience with the Pope (who paid him to go away) this show will end with all the heathens either converted or dead. Iceland was the last Viking country to officially become Christian in 1000 AD.
Wrong Sweden was the last to be converted.
@@Surtur99 Sweden was officially Christianized before Iceland but they allowed the older traditions to persist largely unmolested for centuries (the neopagan idea of the "Burning Times" is a myth because the Protestant Church that took over in the 1500s never had an official organization devoted to stamping out "witches"). The only official campaign against older traditions was committed by the Swedish government in the 19th century against the Sami people, who are technically speaking NOT Swedes!
Christianity never really converted Scandinavia really it synthesized with it more than anything and spawned something later popes would have considered a heresy but due to its relative isolation no one ever really cared enough to look into it
@@DrEgonCholakian Ya got that right...remnants of earlier traditions persisted in some parts of Europe (particularly among the Sami people of the most northern parts of Norway, Sweden and Finland) They were not actively persecuted by the Protestant Church (the Inquisition that most neopagans claim was responsible for the "Burning Times" was of course a purely Catholic phenomenon and mostly persecuted Jews and heretics not "pagans") and the most active persecutions of the Sami were undertaken by the Swedish government in the 19th century and the Soviets and Nazis in the early 20th century. Not only that but the traditions of the Sami people are completely different from what the Asatru and other modern neopagan groups usually ascribe to prechristian Northern Europe...I keep telling people these things but they simply don't want to believe me!
@@sarahgray430 Its okay in CK2 as Ragnar i reformed the pagan faith and kept capturing and sacrificing popes on a yearly basis until the catholics lost all moral authority and started converting to paganism
I love Alex Ludwig as Bjorn. I love hearing what comes out his mouth
Why nobody brought up the fact that Ragnar also got baptized?
Because Ragnars baptiste was part of an immediate trick
Because it's the sort of thing that nobody in the family will admit to...like people today would be if a family member joined a cult.
@@viorel213 well this is for their own survival pretty sure Ragnar would understand
Ragnar's baptism was a ruse to sack Paris.
@@timovangalen1589 and this is a strategy to assure their survival
At this point, Bjorn is just throwing a hissy fit
LOL he always does.
“Sometimes I wonder if you’re Ragnar’s son at all.”
Ironside, look at your brother.
It takes balls for Bjorn to say something about being Ragnar's son to Ubbe.
Justin Madsen
Well how could we blame Bjorn for Lagertha fucking Rollo? We can’t.
How can you be so sure that Ube is Ragnar's son? Maybe she just fucked random guys after Ragnar was gone, so she would get pregnant and could tell Ragnar that it was his. She was calculating and dishonest enough. Plus, every guy on that show seems to get cucked.
@@Garium87 they make a very very consistent point about how much like ragnar ubbe looks, where as the same thing, looking like ragnar, was used by bjorn when talking to rollo and he didnt recieve an answer
@Roman Vega Yeah this is just a dumb retcon that seems to have never been brought up again.
@@xxwhispersxx2856 wasn't really a retconn, just a juicy tidbit.
Besides, the whole point of the scene was to prove that in all ways Bjorn was Ragnar's son.
Ubbe, how could you think Ragnar renounced the Gods when Odin himself came to you and told you what happened?
Exactly man like this guy is just fucking dumb, blind and deaf all at the same time. He didn’t see Odin, he didn’t hear Odin tell him anything, and he was too dumb to realise it was Odin.
Ubbe is just the dumbest on earth
But he really renounced, he don't believe in them. LOL.
Because we saw that he did renounce them, he didn’t believe in any Gods in the end. He literally told Ecbert what he was gunna say before execution, and that’s what he did. Lol.
Ragnar says he doesn't believe in the gods anymore in the same episode that he gets killed. Maybe the previous one...
@@michaelsuder486lmao you saw his last speech?😂 He literally said that he is going to Valhalla and the Valkyries are taking him home😂
I would have loved to see tempers flair and Bjorn and Ubbe to scrap it out at some point. That fist fight would have been one of the best battles of the series.
Ffs Alfred is becoming the Vikings Kylo Ren
Alfred: and I will finish what you started, grandfather
I dont like bjorn making his face joking
He don't like it too, but I thinks it's realistic. When kids have such an iconic dad they tend to imitate them
I want to sit beside Odin and have a good ol chat
the dark haired celt looking fella is disgustingly good looking..
That's not what Celts looked like, you mean Anglo Saxon I presume.
Where can you give me the minute
Bjorn has every right to be mad at Ubbe for falling for such simple manipulation tactics. Alfred is only further making Bjorn his enemy.
Didn't ragnar get baptized to get what he wanted
Ragnar had multiple reasons: experience a baptism, be closer to Athelstain, and take a Francia hostage. Ragnar was always curious about Christianity, because Athelstain was his best friend.
Didn't Alfred pray to become king? Now he is blaming his grandfather for laying such a burden on him
You never begged for a job only to realize the job kinda sucked
I think his mother browbeat him into becoming king.
Mo nah he said to eckbert (when he was dead) that IF he became king he would do this and that (forgot what he said)
All that is true. Both Judith and Ecbert had hopes and dreams he would become king. It was something he was raised to believe in, Ecbert trained him, paid special attention to him. And yes, warned him about the reality, the burdens of ruling. Most of us will never understand, it is a double edged sword. In theory it is a wonderful thing, but living in it can be positively draining.
Paris is worth a Mass.
Meanwhile, Lagertha still doesn't do crap....
Lagertha looks so good 😍😩
Eckbert couldn't give himself strength when he was alive. Why would Alfred pray to him when he was dead?
Eckbert was not a great warrior but he was cunning and Alfred knows he won't be able to win his battles through force.
If he is a Catholic he is praying to God and want's Ecbert who being saved though Christ and became a Saint so he can add The power of his prayer to his and make more likely that God grants his request. It is called intercession of the Saints and he isn't praying to Ecbert although in this show it is shown as he was speaking to him, simultaneously praying to subconsciously reinforce stereotype of idolatry
within Catholicism
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for advice
@@franciszekkowar3962 Well, thanks for the explanation but he isn't asking his grandfather to pray for him. He asks his grandfather to give him strength.
Sarah Gray he wasn't "cunning enough" to help himself, either.
If Britain had of stayed part of the Roman empire,. And Romans stayed in Britain,. Do you think the Vikings would have invaded
Good for Ubbe and Torvi!
"I have the last say!" Not you!
Sometimes I wonder u should of ever had children Bjorn as u neglected all of them plus UBBE has made peace with his mothers killer , Ubbe is most like Ragnar to me
He did so out of love and respect for Bjorn his half big brother. Plus, I think on some level he recognized that Lagertha didn’t do it to be malicious, but to get back her kingdom in the Viking way. Everyone played a hand in everyone’s death. Give someone enough rope and they hang themselves. I think Ubbe was just tired.
I turn to the Norse God's.
2:22
Mdr le mek pris Dieu debout en pleine conscience de cose...!!!😘😄😄
What I don’t get tho is all the sons met Odin so how can they not believe..
Lmfao, sometimes I wonder if you Ragnars son at all lol, irony about that
1:50
Me: Your father is in hell
Bjorn: Hel? No, he was a viking, he's in Valhalla
Me: No, he's in a lake of fire
Bjorn: No, hel does not have fire
Me: What? No, it does, you've been decieved
Bjorn: No I wasn't
Me: you kno what, fine, hes in Valhalla
Ludwig acting is sooo bad but i love it 😂😂
Alfred the fool
Alfred is no fool...to quote The Last Kingdom "the bastard thinks!"
you don't earn your name being appended with the phrase "the Great" by being a shit king, hes one of only 2 english rulers in history to be "The Great", the other being Cnut the Great, Alfred is responsible for the unification of what is now modern england and the restoration of London, legal millitary and educational reforms.
@@Ugnutz Damn right!
@@sarahgray430 Alfred was no fool even in the last kingdom were neuron doesnt exists anymore, but the hero of this show ... Damn I stopped watching it because of how DUMB Uhtred was
@@Guitaristmalakian That's the point...Uhtred is a complete arseling who won't admit that his boss is right!
there reaction was obvious ! Vikings have a culture of there own even though its barbaric but converting to the faith of your enemy was a treason in ancient times ! so reasonable logic to be angry .even though I'll prefer them to be Christian's then barbaric instead
They all eventually converted as the Nordic kings knew they had to do if they wanted to form allegiances via marriage. They also realized blood drinking and human sacrifice was truly immoral.