The Pe-8 Is Balanced
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- Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2024
- The 5000kg bomb on the Pe-8 doesn't require much aiming. I wouldn't say the Pe-8 is overpowered in and of itself, but it is far too easy to spawn. You shouldn't be able to get a weapon that can wipe half a team just from getting a kill and a scout.
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Before anyone gets too upset: "I wouldn't say the Pe-8 is overpowered in and of itself, but it is far too easy to spawn. You shouldn't be able to get a weapon that can wipe half a team just from getting a kill and a scout. "
It's the bomb that's OP ignoring walls and terrain. The plane itself is a pretty easy kill...in Air RB.
Agreed but now all the monkeys you have that follow you will only try and copy what you just posted. So thanks Spooky you just made the game less enjoyable to play. Cancer!
You should do the iar81c next
@@nlemaster2379 literally everyone and their dog already spams the pe8, this isn't something hidden or new
@@dixievfd55 Wirbelwinds make short work of them if we notice them soon enough
The smoke screen in the first clip wasn’t a measure of obscuring the enemies view, but merely a way of marking targets for air support
Throw a smoke for air support private
The PE-8 is not CAS, because CAS is only for smaller planes.
My experience is whoever brings in the pe8 has a 50/50 shot of getting eight enemy kills or one enemy kill and eight friendly kills
Or 1 death and no kills if someone remotely competent brings a fighter or SPAA.
@@jamesharding3459 With how easy it is to spawn one most of the time there wont be any planes or AA up to take it out. All you need is a bt7 to rush a cap and you have a pe8 in the air in what 45 seconds of the beginning of the round. Its spawn cost needs to be raised.
@@DurosKlav That I agree with. Fighters should be easier to spawn in as well, and heavy bombloads should increase spawn cost more than they currently do.
Is anyone who plays WT remotely competent?
@@g.williams2047 Me
Community: ASU and PE-8 combination seems a bit OP.
Gaijin: Nah. It'll be aight
How is it op? If you miss with ASU you die to MGs, also id theres a fighter in the air youll probably die. Not to mentione your team mates getting in the balst area
@@lonewaffle231 I was making a joke. In hands of an experienced player, it can be dangerous. But yes. If there are certain variables that do occur, you'll most likely die.
Well in all fairness there’s a reason why they were propaganda bombers in real life.
But yeah it’s true air rb most bombers are piñatas and ground rb Satan’s himself for anyone within 2 grid squares of checkpoint
This comments dont make any sense, yes its not OP if the player loses connection or decides to crash into a mountain. The same thing can be achieved with a T34 and a couple of kills.
To be denied by a fighter it must be camping spawn or manage to pull a frontal intercept (or one from behind but not likely) to prevent the drop. After the bomb is dropped the fate of the bomber is of no consecuence
@@nahuelleandroarroyo AA could do some trouble too and camping the spawn wouldn't be a surprise
Okay, that "object permanence" definition overlayed on that Hetzer you killed just made me die laughing. Another great video Spookston!
i don't get it lol
my brain smol
@@Davidee_631 it's like that situation where you shoot an enemy , you don't kill him , he reverses into cover , you keep aiming just outside that cover and you wait , and wait , then you look somewhere at the side and you see someone , your dick kicks in and you shoot the other person you saw , forgetting the one repairing behind cover still exists , but now the one that was repairing behind cover is out of cover , aiming at you and you are pretty sure you won't bounce122 mm
@@deanmilos4909 ooh thank you so much, by the way that happened to me way too many times
@@Davidee_631 Apart from what the other guy said, it's also like this Hetzer, who was clearly just machinegunning the ASU just a short while ago, who also, for some reason just completely forgot that the ASU existed and drove past it.
@@ryantcm187 HE FORGOR
Perfectly balanced, like all things should be
Every time I think about playing War Thunder, I remember that you can spawn planes into tank battles. And then I don't install it.
@@IntrusiveThot420 that is why there are spaags
@@commandergeokam2868 yeah but a good pilot can just use terrain or altitude to invalidate most spaags. Air assets hold complete dominance over ground ones.
@@IntrusiveThot420 to be fair, they call it ground battle, not tank battle
Power to staliniom
Pe-8 balancing question can be answered by another question - where are other "blockbuster" bombs from Lincoln, Lancaster, B-29 or Tu-4? I have a feeling that Gaijin decided to make a one trick pony to avoid making the main soviet heavy long range strategic bomber of WWII soviet air force as miserable as what they gave french and italians.
Everything to make the soviets look nicer.This shit has been going on for years,we had Yer-2s with overload but B-17s and Lancasters with long range loads.
Yup, why does the ruskis only get the big bomb? The brits had way bigger bombs than the Fab5000... They had the Grand Slam, a 10000kg bomb with over 4000kg of explosives. where is that ingame?
@@MrCrazybadbastard russian bias
@@MrCrazybadbastard Meanwhile, the B-29 could be modified to carry one Cloudmaker bomb... 43,000 pounds if I recall correctly.
@@GeneralLee2000 sounds like a lot 😅
Ah yes, the plane which nukes the crap out of a bunch of enemies along with half the allied team.
Ussr players call that acceptable casualties
I mean, it's balancing itself with allied casualties
if you mean clearing an point by myself then a ally pe8 came 30 seconds later and kill any enemy except me and some other guy in our team then yeah i call that casualities
Reminds me of the time someone dropped that big bomb on me when I was surrounded by his allies, just to get one heavy tank kill. Average Pe-8 moment.
@@mobiiuz129 😂
"two kills = enough to spawn somethng that can kill half a team"
Given the existence of one-death-leave players, it is not uncommon that two players are half of the team
ive been noticing a lot of one-death-leave player currently, especially at 6.7 germany
Probably wehraboos that just got the Tiger II(H) and don't want to play anything else
Germany mains istg
(I main germany, but i dont do that)
Full uptier/huge map is a one-death-leave for me
Exactly @@Krypton2658
Imagine if they allowed Lancasters to carry Tallboys or Grand Slams
Those cause earthquakes, not explosions that kill tanks
@@CharliMorganMusic They caused earthquakes by exploding in the ground after penetrating said ground or structure. They have a shit ton of explosives in them, with the grand slam being a 22,000 lb pound bomb, with around 9,500 lb of Torpex. Any tank or vehicle near the explosion is as dead as if it was near a PE 8 5000kg bomb. There is no such thing as a bomb that can cause an earthquake without using explosives, and a shit ton of explosives is needed to do this.
Ground forces dont deserve that kind of punishment
@@CharliMorganMusic The Grand Slam has a shit ton more explosive weight in fucking TORPEX, and is more accurate to drop than a FAB5000. Torpex goes BIG BOOM. lol I am sure, you wouldn't absolutely shitflip all of A, B and C in one pass by using this one weird trick of setting the fuse to contact. War Thunder physics would make them so shitty broken that Pe-8 drops firecrackers in comparison. So seriously think upon white knighting for air spawning strategic heavy bombers and FAB nuke in tank battles.
Adding B52 is the next logical step with **70,000lbs** of bombs and a jammer that shits out radar guidance. GG if they air gate cheese.
@@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 i hope so
Imagine chilling a a italian armored box the size of a honda civic and you see a 5000 kg bomb land right next to you
In my opinion it didn't kill that little rat box of a cockroach hard enough nothing is over kill for that Cancer cell
People got excited when they added a nuke to the game, but I never understood. We‘ve always had one, and it’s way cheaper to spawn in and can be flown as many times as you can rtb
Exactly, Pe-8 better and Tbh more fun to use than the actual nuke
amazingly balanced when you can bt5 rush cap 2 objectives and in turn can wipe out the almost the entire team if the map is small enough
*rush cap 1 objective
at 5.3 pe 8 is 600 sp so a single full cap wil suffice.. 4.7 and under is 650 and 750 sp
Me and my buddies hopped into a match of RB while one of my friends played a Bt5 and Bt7 with a Pe8 in the lineup and got the Pe8 and eventually ended up with 7 kills in one run. That shit was narley
When you see the PE8 you know and every single person in your team and in the enemies team no disaster is about to happen if you don’t Get the F out of there
I once had a match that actually was pretty funny against multiple PE8s. They tried to bomb me several times. 5 times in total if I remember it correctly. But everytime they dropped a nuke i sniped the bomb midair with my quad AA gun, causing it explode mid air. Noone was killed that match by PE8 Bombs or at least not as many as there should have been normaly.
I had a stroke reading that
@@kamov52510 Then Take your meds
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator I dont even know what you try to tell me. And I really do not care about it.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator
He wrote of having a stroke when reading my stuff. I didn´t care and joked that he should take his Medication (Short: "Meds") against this kind of condition. A stroke is a serious life-threatening medical condition which can actual be treatet with medications. Can you connect the dots from here on out or are you as dull as you sound?
Everytime anyone spawns in Pe-8: "Kirov Reporting!"
Airmix Optimal! Setting Course!
This is, after the charging sound of the obelisk in 95, the most terrifying sound I ever heard in a game.
"Bombardier to your station!"
Air units being the OP meta in a ground forces game, that not dumb at all.
I mean, just spawn SPAA and look up. Of course planes are the meta, they're made to assist troops on the ground and even specifically to hunt tanks. The real problem is teams being made up of complete idiots who bunch up and get bombed.
With a BT-5 you can capture 1 point and have a Pe-8 on standby. Didn't they remove the ability to do this in a prior patch? Why did Gaijin add it back?
Iirc they made it so spawn points are shared upon point capture. So one player rushing ahead is good but saving the cap to support multiple people? "Fuck you"
@@americantacos7618 Exactly, this promote selfish and toxic behavior.
As shown in a YT video from a certain scottish player, you can spawn in a bt5, capture a flag/get a kill+assist, instantly abandon the tank to spawn the pe-8, kill 7 people with a single bomb, abandon the plane, spawn another pe-8 and kill 8 people with the bomb this time instead. Sounds balanced enough to me
Fighter: Get bent, nerd.
I'll never forget that game when there were four enemies on the A cap, friendly got in a pe8, the enemies all got killed by tanks, 6 friendlies were on the A cap and the PE-8 bombed them ALL. The kill feed was completely blue.
Screw it. At this point we should just get a bomber that drops Dreadnoughts as ordinance
i agree
i to agree with this comment of yours
We should get a bomber that drops planes themselves
@@bobpk9524 Imagine bv238 with 2 Fw 190 attached to it... Oh boy...
We should get a bomber that drops nukes
Honestly, I think it's fine to meme with a strategic bomber in ground forces. However, I think something like a 'super-heavy ordinance' penalty would help. >1000kg bombs should cost significantly more than just taking out tactical bomb loads.
„If you see a Bomb, Hit the gas“
Fab-5000 egg lands next to me
I have accepted my fate
Gaijin: "There is no Russian bias."
Also Gaijin: "We see no need to change the Pe-8 or Ka-50."
Also Gaijin: "let's lower the BR of more German tanks while raising the Americans"
Pe-8 is fine as it is though
@@blob643 why is the 4G in the same rating as the F2. And why is 4/70 the same rating as the 38(t). And why is the 4A3 (76) W like 6.0
It's more of an Axis/Warsaw Pact flavor of Bias. Gaijin has offices in Germany, Cyprus, Hungary, Latvia and Russia.
@Hyperborean Feelz The M4A3E2 76 is at a 6.3 battle rating which is ridiculous considering the only upgrade it has over the original is a larger gun.
You know it's drastic when spook covers an aircraft.
no 13 kill bomb? It happened to me twice in a row (aswell as a couple more times during the same day) playing 4.7 Japan, just as we start to win, a Pe-8 comes in and gets 10+ kills, immediately turning the tide of the battle and resulting in a loss 2/3 times
Eat the sun~~
gaijin: i see no problem with that! it's clearly balanced that a few points can get you a game changing asset!
@@UnicaLuce one think is sure to kill so many people you need luck.
Had one spawn mechanics cheese toss bombing 3 times. It was super painful having my AA not be able to touch a totally out of place strategic bomber while the fighters ignored it to mow the lawn for absolutely nothing. First he bombed B, killing most of my team, then he bombed C before spawn bombing. I am making habit of kill denying the Pe-8's and TK'ing BT's. They're more annoying than German CAS and P47's combined.
@@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 same with tams and g91 r3s
That red alert song really fit how terrifying that PE-8 is
I’ve always thought that the price of planes should stay the same, but the ordinance they carry should be a lot more expensive.
640 spawnpoints for the biggest bomb in the game but almost 800 to spawn my DO 335 B2 with bombs (700 without bombs)
The Do 335 can annihilate the enemy team lmfao. 30s and 20s, high speed, very well armored. Cannon CAS dream.
@@Avionicx that doesnt justify the enormous spawn point cost. P47 for example with 2x1000pnd 1x500pnd + big rockets is still way less spawnpoints
@@linostockling485 dude, cannon CAS is do much more effective than the P47. In the P47, you get 2 guaranteed kills with your bombs. HVARs are hard to aim, so you'll probably get none. The Dornier can bomb a target, then use MK103s to decimate the enemy team
@@SVNLVN Your point is? the do 335 is a free kill for everything but a heavy bomber
@@SVNLVN yeah until something sneeze at your do then it instantly dies
Me when I bring in a bomber: *Quickly shot down by fighters or AA spam before I can even reach the battlefield.*
Enemy players in Pe-8: *Completely ignored by my team's AA and aircraft, destroys several players and gets away without a scratch.*
That's the story of my life when I bring out my Halifax with the 12,000+ Kg of bombs. I can never get a nice carpet bomb or full drop detonation kill streak. I always end up damaging someone and getting murdered by every enemy fighter and SPAA that exists.
Pe8 is great if no one notices you with a speed of 250 mph a fighter can wreck you easily . you must be very sneaky but when it works out dam feels awesome.
I've never played the Pe-8, but I enjoy seeing it in matches. It's such a massive aircraft with a classic silhouette, and it makes everyone lose their minds trying to bring it down. I guess I like the dynamic objective they bring into the gameplay (which WT desperately needs more of, IMO). Then there's that absolute meme of a bomb, especially the way the model reacts to "touchdown" where it just kind of sticks there in the ground-texture like a sedan-sized golf tee.
Overall I agree with Spook, maybe raise the SL cost a bit but leave it as a reasonably obtainable unit in ground RB. 1-2 instances of it per match is an ideal maximum in my opinion, otherwise it overwhelms teams trying to play the actual objectives and can lead to strife with teamkills.
Same here, I think there should be a timer for when it can be spawned in to prevent rushes, but it’s really satisfying to be in a fighter when you see a pe-8 pop up
The object permanence joke had me in splits
I appreciate your using of Battleground of The Bear from Red Alert 3 in the background.
The most trollish thing I've ever did was to set timed fuse on FAB-5000 to maximum, and watch as hostile team panic.
That's so evil and I love it.
A whole team: exsits
PE 8: WANTS TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION!!
I am here to confirm that we Pe-8 players don't need nukes because we carry our own version
Personal this has to be my favourite kill montage you've done to date
Absolutely beautiful
Someone actually spawned this thing in a 9.7 match I played some time ago. I'm surprised how no one on my team. noticed it.
Yesterday had a round where this tactical nuke wiped 5 of enemy team and everyone was saluting like we took a Berlin
The Pe-8 is very much a one shot weapon, relying more on the spotting ability of the pilot and mistakes made by the enemy, meanwhile something like the P-47 can get so many more kills due to the fact that it can make multiple runs with a bunch of armament.
Booooooooooring
While P-47 is tumor in air and ground RB, it pales in comparison to a big boom.
P-47 require some skills tho with getting close to the target and doing dive bombing or firing rockets
i mean using Pe-8 is simple, just go to the middle of the map, pick a target, drop the bomb and then RTB, new player that only plays arcade battle probably won't have any difficulty using it too in ground RB
I just gave a perfect lesson in object permanence for earlier today.
A pizza delivery car went zipping past my position. I waited until he was well behind me and got some hits with my machine gun just as he was reaching the corner of a building.
A few seconds later he pops out from the other side of the building, probably thinking that I had driven off or not considering the direction the bullets had come from. His nose met my cannon shell. No more pizzamobile. :-)
I really liked this sort of compilation video of gameplay Spookston!
Banger choice of music Spooks! RA3 had some problem but the music wasn't one.
Aircraft like the PE-8 and the HE-112 with the nose mounted 20mm are good reasons to change the br if the aircraft is used in mixed
I mean I still bring out the PE-8 in 8.0 because it's just so fun to watch that huge bomb
the nose mounted shvak doesnt do much tbh
@@pyrothefryer7619 Funny thing is, that's not even a Shvak. It's on the 112 A-0, and that cannon is hot garbo. Low firerate, poor accuracy, VERY iffy hit detection. I say this as someone who spaded that plane and keeps it as a 'fun mobile'.
The HE-112 is garbage in ground battles unless it's an open top. You literally won't be able to hit or pen anything with it.
@@mpk6664 What ya mean it's fucking amazing in ground
I love the Red Alert 3 music. Or any of the C&C music you use in your videos. Absolutely glorious
The Pe-8, just like *_literally any strike aircraft,_* is only OP until someone remotely competent brings in a fighter. I can routinely get an ace in a 109 before having to go re-arm - and in that time, only rarely does an enemy plane get so much as a single kill.
That is somewhat true. However it requires you to die before the enemy spawns their Pe-8 or play an excessive amount of planes in ground RB. I'm, there to grind tanks not get in a plane after 2 mins just to hope that I can be useful.
Ok Mr Cool
@@adamg7984 lmao wait until this guy discovers nuclear bombs in this game
@@bear4963 Well, I tend to play with friends so I usually don’t have any issue spawning a fighter ASAP. I can defend the airspace, do some aerial recon, and Wild Weasel enemy SPAA to protect friendly CAS. I don’t play to grind, I play to have fun with friends and win.
@@adamg7984 I absolutely agree that the FAB-5000 is a low-skill but game-changing weapon - which is why a Pe-8 is Enemy Number One as soon as I get a fighter up.
at least they kinda fixed the bombs working through buildings
that was so nuts when it first happened...you say "half a team" here but it was LITERALLY half the team back then
Today I saw a very fast Pe-8 spawn. RB match, Map: Jungle. Lower right spawn, BT-5 rushed and captured C, then 1 sec later he/she left the vehicle and spawned the Pe-8. Only 1 minute or less passed since the match started.
Another hilariously good bomber being the Arado B-2. If you got a good eye, you can get three kills in one run before running back to base and doing it again all within 5 minutes. Plus it's usually too fast for the fighters to catch
But that requires some degree of skill. PE-8 is literally fly to middle of map, drop, turn back.
I was once in a game where a Pe-8 killed 12 of us with a single bomb. After that we just got spawncamped until we lost the game.
0:25 what u wrote here is one of the biggest problems in ground rb and i will add to that that i have seen people with 1 assist spawn in a jet with a full loadout. Gaijin really needs to balance that shiet.
or just capping with bt-5 ez pe8, they really need to make it so a 5000kg bomb is atleast 1500 spawn points, and for full loadouts of like 4 1000kg bombs or 4 op missiles and such still like 1200+, 1 1000kg bomb around 900, and for lesser bombs at 600+. also no spawning planes till 10 minutes of battle have passed, i don't want to go cap after spawning only to be obliterated by a pe8 spawned by a bt5 capper, this has happened more than humanly tollerable.
If you want to imagine top tier combined sim, take that situation, then multiply it by 30. and put it at the start of the game.
That object permanence cut killed me XD. WT community clearly didn't master that yet.
Heeey Tigor!
B29/Tu-4 is balanced when
This thing is extremely fun in naval Top Tier, i can oblitarate anything.
What is naval?
What is Top Tier?
What is naval top tier?
Ah, Pe-8. Because EVERYBODY deserves INFINITE pain. EVERYBODY. You. Your team. Your enemies. Keyboards of everyone involved.
Two rules when flying the pe8 :
- putting the camera shake to 100%
Pressing U when dropping the bomb
Spookston, you didn't JUST get 2 kills to spawn it. Also sometimes you looked at somebody and pressed V! Nuke well earned.
1 capture point at the start can get you enough spawn points for a fighter as the Anti-CAS role so can be ready to attack any fighter/bomber or bomber as they need more spawn points.
The problem with Pe-8's is their high air spawn and toss bombing seconds out of the gate. You wont reach them until after the drop. Unless you want to be the twot flying around all game in a fighter to be sure.
God I love hearing the Red Alert 3 Soundtrack
I was trying to shoot down a pe 8 as a fighter in ground rb and we were both close to the ground so what he did was drop his bomb and the delay was enough for him to escape but for me to get shot down because of the blast
PE-8 is a double-edged sword:
- Yes, you can kill half of the enemy team but just as well your own if you are rushed to drop the bomb early. It is likely to get you a lot of SL in penalty or removal from the match.
- Frontally it isn't strong against fighters and while on the attack run, it is likely to be the direction the hostiles come towards you
Yeah but it can still drop that bomb and fuck up all the tanks and AA trying to shoot it down. Best tactic I've found is no one shoot and let the planes take care of it
@@MrHFam-st4ni there always the chance that the bomb get's shot in the air tho
@@aregulargenericname8794 That's a good thing right?
@@MrHFam-st4ni Yes and it's cool
This music is basically the PE-8 anthem lol
I once got a 5 kill with the first Corsair in the tech tree and it’s still one of my favorite moments in WT.
Honestly 1-3 kills on average makes it just a decent at best bomber, it just looks impressive.
also pretty easy to shoot down if the other team sees you
^^^This. Complaining about the Pe-8 is stupid af, since most of the time you'll also a hit friendlies if you pick the 5 tonner
2:22 that bomb drop placement looks really familiar, hmmmm 🤔
Just love the RA-3 soundtrack in the background.
So fitting.
KIROV REPORTING!
It never ceases to amaze me how teams facing the Soviets at the BR, are either somehow ignorant of the fact that the Pe-8 WILL show up or just choose to ignore that fact and bunch up. The only thing worse than that is teammates who fail to follow up on a Pe-8 strike and thus lose the match anyway.
The music is appreciated for anyone who has played the game
Showing that one kill on an R3 made me laugh the crap out of myself. The perfect machine to take out shit stains like that.
Anyway, great video 👍
that object permanence bit was gold
I love how its so good in war thunder. And yet in real life it was just another failed project of the ussr trying to make a heavy strategic bomber.
The grand secretary is satisfied with your results commander.
Back to that one person who got 13 kills with one bomb
loved the clip with the comment about object permanence xD
Pe-8 is only overpowered if someone tells you where the enemies are from the ground, i tried solo, not quite good enough.
This vid does not show how often they cant make it to drop the bomb in any mode. In air RB we are wingless wonders real fast, Even with firing at forward threats manually.
Your thumbnails are always the funniest 😂
In a different world, Thanos hears about the PE-8. With just the click of your space bar half of the other team GONE
Bullets flying everywhere. And you just see this little fucking go-kart of an SPG driving past.
remember, "Germany suffers" (that clip with the Hetzer was just sad)
And that is why the community has wanted a ground only mode for years.
At 2:00 you scouted him through solid rubble? guess the asu-57 is just a highly advanced cold war project.
This intro music has me feeling the KIROV REPORTING vibe.
So satisfying to see a Bomber doing 5 kills.
to me the main problems with the Pe-8 is that it's A) at the rank where Germany players get very low IQ, making them extremely easy to spawn [Good example being the Tiger 1 around 2:55 who didn't even seem to notice it at all], and B) There is no equivalent from other countries that fielded them. For Example the 6000LB Grand Slam from the UK being dropped out of a Lancaster, even adding that would fair things out.
This is why i'm having panic attacks anytime i hear bomb whistle's.
in before they decide the best way to counter it's low spawn point cost is to raise the repair cost by 20k
i love the C&C command and conquer music cause its 1 of my favorite games
good choice of music
I onece saw a flock of 4 pe-8's it was the most majestic and terrifying thing I have ever seen in this game
Once I got 7 kills with one bomb on Sinai, it was great
How is nobody talking about the great command and conquer soundtrack for this video!
Man, that RA 3 OST gave me chills
The guy talking in the began is Spookston
C’mon spook, you have to understand that object permanence is a difficult concept for Little Hans
I'd like to see you do a "how bad is" or a a experience video on the Tiger 2 interested in seeing what you think of how it compares to its contemporaries especially now because 6.7 3-4 years ago is not the 6.7 we have today
Good choice for music
I once got one with a burst from a wirblewind before he dropped his bomb. That guy was probably pissed.
The useage of Command and Conquer music is always appropriate in your videos. When are we going to get "The Overlord is Balanced"
gajin's solution: increase spawn points for ASU-57
The best drop Ive gotten with the pe8 was 7 ground kills and a plane.
Dat red alert 3 music tho. *Finger kiss*