Shine 2017 Smash 4 - C9 | Ally (Mario) vs 2GG | Komorikiri (Cloud) - WiiU L7

[@Mr.Duck64]

Let's freakin go Ally! And Komo was playing pretty solid too. A 3-0 against one of the best Clouds. Ally 2.0?

[@ryngtolu4334]

Ally TOP 5 at least this tournament, glad he is coming back!

[@nerdcedric]

Well I mean, he was tied with Leo for 5th so he's at least top 6 this tourney...

[@pdeperrisima9856]

Kek

[@Cusk0]

3:58 Lol, Komo be like "maybe I can go camp at the bottom of the stage"

[@1215ish]

lol Ally has a dominant record against all the top Clouds(Ned, Komo, Tweek, Blacktwins, Anti ect.. excpet Leo who never used Cloud against him) and Mario destroys Cloud once he gets in. MU is even at high level of play. Cloud also doesn't have safe ground pokes which means he relies on his aerials most of the time to wall him out.
With Mario's good aerial mobility, strong anti air burst options and the ability to micro spacing with his aerials, Marios are getting in a lot more than people realize and Mario only needs one or two good grabs since Cloud is combo food. Mario also has the tools to heavily pressure Cloud offstage so he wont get back to neutral unhurt.
You can see here how ally used his fast long lasting aerials in combination with his aerial mobility to slip through Clouds defense. Also since Cloud usually has to short hop to wall him out, he can find opportunitys to slip an U-smash.
Compare him to Leos Marth who does have safe ground pokes and Leo plays grounded against Mario most of the time and as a result beats Mario most of the time.
Honestly, this whole Cloud is so bad for Mario stigma is unjustified in my opinion. I could go into more detail but I know nobody will agree with me so I will just throw this out here.

[@grantdong5333]

I'd like to know in detail why you think Mario may have a better time dealing with Cloud. And I'm genuinely asking.

[@1215ish]

Honestly, I dont wanna argue too much anymore because I know the majority is just extremly stubborn. If any of you are still open for arguments though.......
First I will acknowledge that Cloud does have a lot of strengths that he can abuse in that MU. His huge disjoints, his ability to juggle him and deadly ledge traps with limit force Mario to play the patient game.
However Clouds most consistent tools to walling out Mario are Bair and Nair. The rest is pretty unsafe therefor shielding against Cloud bears no risk for Mario. Yeah he can grab you. So what? (You have to mix up your approach options though. Getting predictable is not good against any character) He aint getting any real reward out of it unlike Mario who can put Cloud at kill percent with just two grabs.
Compare that to Marth who does have grab reward and shield breaker pressuring your shield.
Watch any top level Mario like Ally and Zenyou against the top Clouds like Komorikiri, Tweek(in fact Ally, who is at his worst right now and is feeling unwell, recently beat Tweek at Shine who is probably close at his peak now and a possible top 5 player this season.
Now watch Leo vs Ally and you will see the difference of what Mario really hates besides "lol Mario loses because swords"(its one reason but one factor should never dictate a MU.)
Tl:dr Cloud doesn't have anything that completly shuts down Mario in neutral and deny his reward. MU is even at worst for Mario.

[@delingvaldson288]

Yin/Yang Bomb sick dissertation bro

[@spaceduckemperor6708]

I agree, this mu really isn't bad at all. Marth has things like jab, forward tilt and down tilt to keep Mario out on the ground as well as Nair and fair to shut him down in the air. He also has shield breaker like you mentioned, which makes holding shield really dangerous considering marth can kill you at like 35%. Cloud doesn't have as many options to keep Mario out, combine that with his lack of grab follow ups and crappy recovery and the matchup isn't bad at top level. The Mario just has to get in and get those grab conversions and force cloud off stage, which should lead to a stock if you play your cards right

[@noire.blackheart]

That's WHY the MU is in Cloud's favor. Mario has to approach which means he's more likely at risk of being punished.

[@Badkitty239]

last day summer kickin in by staying up and sleeping til afternoon, on top of that this tourney is in EST region. GimR you blessed me with same day uploads so I can catch up the action.

[@ZoyobeastzUndead]

Badkitty239 o

[@dunkinzsoda]

incredible mind games from both plays, truly a treat to watch

[@peoplesdreamsneverend2709]

Wow I just realized how much Ally shakes his head

[@icebear6757]

gotta practice those upsmashes

[@EchizenRyoma77]

Komo seemed kinda weak with his short hop pressure. Most clouds mix in back-flips and it seemed like he was missing a lot of short hops. Maybe it was a controller issue? Weird. Overall he just wasn't that crisp when compared to the likes of Tweek and Mk leo, or even Nairo (when Nairo plays cloud). If it was just his controller or even just being rusty, that must be frustrating. Ally played well though.

[@jeffreypeguero4418]

The power of ally's Mario 🔥

[@MikiziB]

Komo hasn't been doing too well, but a 7th place finish here shows Komo still has it. Good stuff to Komo for making it this far. Hopefully this is a sign for what's to come from Japan.
I'd love to see USA vs Japan vs Canada vs Mexico crew battle. Maybe one day we'll get a world wide crew battle bracket.

[@HXKUSAI]

MikiziB for sure

[@sidneyhinds869]

That would be crazy lit

[@reehanay111]

Europe? 😉

[@JesseDumontt]

How did his jump come back at 8:07 when he used it at 8:06. Weird. Should've been over right there.

[@taylorgalloway2579]

Jesse ikr

[@nicholascarey6507]

It must've been a 2 frame.

[@thefixitman321]

where are the rest of the VODs for Shine 2017 WiiU?

[@BoriquaBoY34]

Ally, my boy coming back

[@Delicoms]

Where are all the VODS before this game?

[@aykh1705]

Ally should trademark his shades.

[@younglink7743]

Komo's gotta stop playing so passively and bair heavy, especially against someone who picks up on habits and patterns so easily

[@Driff97]

I would LOVE a very detailed explanation as to why Komo didn't go Sonic.

[@aykh1705]

Ness in Pajamas
Cloud has a better MU over Mario than Sonic. While Sonic is faster than Cloud, Cloud's range and disjoints give him a better chance at beating Mario.

[@aykh1705]

Detailed enough for you?

[@UR2SLOW]

Ayk H but it is generally agreed upon that sonic is mario's worst MU over cloud. Cloud, while having good disjoints, is still vulnerable to mario's combos and mario's cape and flood can make it very difficult for cloud to get back on stage. Meanwhile, sonic destroys the matchup for the sheer fact that mario cant grab sonic, and even then mario gets nothing off grabs because sonic can't be combo'd. Cloud is considered slight advantage, while sonic is a hard counter

[@UR2SLOW]

Komo probably didnt go sonic because Ally has beaten his sonic before. Although Komo actually chocked last minute and got spiked by ally while winning the whole time, which makes me wonder why komo didn't believe his sonic could get the job done this time. I'm fairly certain komo was just not in the right state of mind at this time

[@juan_pwn]

Mario is vulnerable against sword fighters, and cloud is a better Swordfighter. Sonic however is very dependent on time management and camping. Ally proved to control the match against his sonic and to plenty of other sonic's in which I assume he knows that ally can manage against that MU, thus Komo choosing cloud over sonic.

[@TwiztedTetsusaiga]

Such a good game

[@aykh1705]

Adrian Brocke
Right?

[@captaincz5763]

Ally awesome as always!!!

[@albertvalentine2373]

Komo is free

[@andreafavella4172]

Albert Valentine yeah free. He just got 7th. oh man he is soo bad..... You could easily get 5th, right?

[@dcrice1999]

No andrea... HE'S FREE

[@albertvalentine2373]

Ive'd done alright. Soon the time will come.

[@Flare8295]

I feel so bad for komorikiri, I wish he could've gotten at least one win😔😔

[@cjmax_822]

That sd

[@user-lh4rl3in6s]

この試合のこもさん動き固くない？いつものようなキレがない気がするし、Allyにsj何回も潰されてる

[@lc7029]

どうしたこも

[@ricachon001]

The game glitch at 8:00 because komo definitely use his second jump

[@nochilla2920]

He didn't use his jump. He uair'd after being bounced from M's grab, simply.

[@hassanmohammad1993]

watch further

[@justinbarclay1839]

ricachon001 when you get 2 framed you get your jump back, its something a lot of people dont kno

[@pendalink]

2-framed the climhazzard snap

[@grantdong7746]

I don't think that was a two frame. I think Komo had kept his second jump. He used his first jump to get up from the ledge where Ally backaired Komo. If you pay attention he does not use a jump until after he is hit by the down smash.