Triumph Toledo - the budget 70s classic car you need to own!
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Today's video features the Triumph Toledo - a budget classic car which is a great starter classic and still an affordable classic car for many.
1970 saw Triumph, now part of British Leyland, step into a new some said more ‘logical’ era where the saloons on offer just made a little more sense.
You had the new Toledo, which came in as a middle point between the slightly dated Herald and the soon to depart 1300, the 1300 was replaced by the 1500 and then a couple of years later in 1972, the range was complemented by the Dolomite.
Whilst the meatier 1500 sported a long stroke version of the 1300 engine as used in the FWD drive car from the 60s, the Toledo used the 1300 engine as used in the FWD car and the Herald.
Some might say, why not develop a new engine, but as with many 70s cars, a perfectly adequate engine option was carried over in favour of updating body styling instead. Plus, if you wanted more power, you were steered toward the 1500 on the forecourt.
The 1300 engine delivered 58bhp, which came in as a power reduction from the 61bhp advertised on the 1300 FWD. This was put down to the conversion to the DIN standard for power output.
Interestingly, Triumph saw the Toledo as the car with potential; it was a unit to develop upon and provide brilliant new opportunities.
We talk a little of it in the car later on, but although you see few changes outwardly to the car, there are enormous changes underneath which were made to take the 1300 FWD design to one which befitted RWD functionality.
For example, the floor pan had to be completely rejigged to take the propeller shaft and live rear axle - and there was a large and deep front sub-frame, which was also used on the 1500…despite it being a FWD car.
All this investment and engineering prowess really does lend weight to the fact Triumph thought this was the car they’d do a lot more with.
As the 1500, Triumph saw that staying ‘as is’ - a bit like the 1300 before it.
Today, a fair few of the Triumph saloons survive. They’re hardy, they’re useful and they’re practical. But who owns a car like this? I hand over to Kev, a channel regular and the owner of this vehicle, who has owned 1300s, 1500s and Toledos since the 80s.
My mate had a 1500 . It was gutless . Then a leyland mechanic gave us a selection of needle valves for the SU carburettor. It was like a new engine install !
My first car was a 1974 Pimento red Toledo.
I would totally daily this car.
Happy New Year everyone!
A beautiful classic! Great review.
My first car was a brown Toledo 1300 great little car.
Always liked Triumph's, had a Dolomite years ago, wish I still had it.
Excellent to see a nice classic be lovely to see more classics on the road
The car I learned to drive in in the ‘70’s
Excellent review of an often overlooked classic. Great work Steph. Your car reviews just get better. 👏
Thanks so much! I appreciate that feedback so much x
@@idriveaclassic Love your channel Steph, i am hooked on your videos, love from the south west of France.
We were given this car in 2001 and know it’s history from new up until the mid 2000s nice to know it’s still around👍
Hi Andrew! Please can you pop me an email to idriveaclassic///@///gmail//dot//com ~ I’d love to put you in touch with Kev! Warmest wishes, Steph x
We had a white one in the 70’s. We went all round the UK touring, I couldn’t open my window for all the triangle stickers of places we’d visit I stuck in n the inside lol.
Lovely to see this in good condition and the interior gave me ptsd of long long car journeys stuck to the seats with sweat in summer lol 👍🥂🤣😂
I've owned my Toledo for 31 years. Love it.
I've never driven a Toledo, but I like the way it looks.
The Triumph Toledo was the car I learnt to drive and in which I passed my driving test . Very nostalgic!
Point to note is that the Toledo was built at Speke near Liverpool, the Dolimite and Stag bodyshells were also built and part trimmed at Speke but were then shipped down to Canley in Coventry to be finished off.
I passed my test in 1963 when I was nearly 18 with a Triumph Herald. I passed first time, partly due to the brilliant visibility and great quality controls and steering of the Herald.
I currently own a 1968 Triumph Herald! It is a right hand drive and was imported to the US sometime in the early 2000’s!
I learned to drive in what would have been a Dolomite 1500 back in 1981. It was an R reg so registered in 1977. Had single front headlights and the same tail lights as the Dolomite Sprint. It also had the wonderful design feature of the segmented warning lights. It was light and responsive to drive. Your review takes me back over forty years. Better times.
I had a 1500 and a Dolomite SE in the eighties - as you say, a light and responsive car - could have been a sub BMW brand if it survived
My Dad had one in the early 80's. It was a brown 2 door with a shaky gearstick and a broken rear screen heater. It was ace!
My first car, I had a red 1974 M reg. It was my grandad's car which he bought from new given to me after he stopped driving loved it. I wish I still had it
The Toledo was in competition with the Ford Escort Mk1 and Vauxhall Viva, and also the Allegro. By the 1970s the Datsun 120Y was getting popular.
My dad had one in the seventies - not quite the dolomite, but a great little car !
I had a beautiful new dark blue 1974 Toledo as a sales representative car for 2 years. That wee car could race around the country even when fully laden. She had front disc brakes that performed superbly. A cracker wee motor!
One of the nicest car I drove - I passed my test in one as well ! - brilliant car !
I loved the little Toledo... Was my favourite small saloon back in the day- and would still be my choice as a classic "daily" today... Looks like this one could do with a tail-pipe strap/bracket ! :)
My wife had one, after a Herald. It was a great car, easy to drive and good looking.
I had a ‘N’ reg Mimosa Yellow 4 door Toledo in the early 90’s, great car.
My dad had one. Same Colour, bought it off my uncle. Was a lovely car and I started to learn to drive in it. He eventually traded it in for a dark brown Allegro.
In my family the cars were 1100's, 1300's and Maxi's. I used to look longingly at Triumphs.
My first serious girlfriend used to borrow her father's Triumph 2000 and we got up to all sorts of things in that car. Wonderful memories.
I want one of these. My first ever car!!! 😍
My first car was a yellow Toledo. My grandad gave up driving and gifted it. I’ve got to say I wasn’t proud of it but it got me around.
I wondered where this car had gone, I used to see it every day either being driven or parked outside it's owners house. Last few times I saw it, it looked a little neglected and in need of welding at the rear of the passenger side sill/wheerarch. Good to see that it's been saved.
great video. My first car was a 1973 2door Toledo, same blue as the one in the video. I think I got about 150 pounds for it when
I left for Canada in 1988
I'm sure i drove past that very car coming back from Hereford this morning , funny thing is i wouldn't have even noticed it without having watched Stef's video yesterday .
The good old days when manufacturers used the same engine for different models that made the trip down to the scrap yard for a engine much easier for example my dad had a mk2 transit with a Sierra engine in it but now getting the right parts for your euro box is hard work 👌👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great review! Love your videography and especially your detailed narration giving not only details on the car, but where it stood in the market and the historical context. Steph is the best! We never got these Triumph saloons in the US, but I sure wish we did. They’ve got a lot of character and super styling!
Happy new year!
You are looking great, if I may say so!
Nice review - the car does have a lovely sound. Brings back childhood memories. 👌🏻
My mum had a 1500 ‘72 one it was bomb proof just had some rust. I remember the radio used to cut out going around a corner.
My uncle was a driving instructor in Stratford-on-Avon. He had a Toledo in the early 80's...JOP246P was a 2-door in dark green and had the dubious distinction of being the first manual car (my dad's Peugeot 504 was an auto) that I ever drove on L-plates in 1981 when I turned 17.
Thanks, great. I passed my test in one in 1974. I'd like to find one to buy.
It amazed me at the time when the BL board let the Triumph name die in preference to the dull Morris's and super dull Austin's.
Triumphs always had a young, fun, sporty image, that Austin Morris never had, even in the 1930's.
Well done Stef , never really noticed these when they were common as a lad , now i want one , you should be in sales too .
Wow, what a lovely surprise. Never mind the car, Steph you look fantastic!
Well done for what ever pain you have been through.
Learned to drive in one....was the family car for many years. Fond memories. Thanks for the video!
We certainly have some good hills around Huddersfield. I love the Triumphs of this era so greatly enjoyed this video. Well done.
Brings me back to my Toledo days. All the trim from the Dolomite Sprint guys the Toledo like a dream. All the holes are already there. The grab straps just bolt on as the holes are already inside the roof cloth. The seats fit perfectly as does the steering wheel. Beside the glove box, just behind the wood panel, is a circular cut out of the metal back plate the fits the beautiful Kienzel clock from the Dolomite. The Sprint wheels look great I on them. Add a pin stripe and a black vinyl roof and your Toledo looks like the coolest car in town. I also stuck on two little checkered flags just behind the front wheels. I loved my Toledo and think it's far smarter than the Triumph thirteen hundred. The rear end is nicer on the Toledo.
Lovely summary of the Toledo. I bought one as my first car twenty years ago and it was a laugh to drive. Less of a laugh when my girlfriend at the time got grease from the door striker plate on her suede jacket. And then the clutch burnt out driving her to university. The car was easier to repair than the relationship, alas...
What’s with all these clutch stories?! So many of you have had to do the clutch, Kev included
@@idriveaclassic I think my one had already had a hard life before teenage me abused it. I knew the clutch was slipping but turned the stereo up and ignored it!
They were a great little car. My father had a 1967 1300 which he allowed me to drive occasionally (get my girlfriend home after the midnight movie). It too was a great car to drive and pretty plush for its day. Unfortunately he destroyed it (and himself) in 1973. But your 1300 video brought back great memories 😁
tear to the eye of an old jock sadly, i haven't seen one like a old escort to never see them either 😢.
Yes, before the Toledo I passed my test back in 1970 in a Triumph 1300. What I still think it strange though is how SEAT (VW Group) were able to use the 'Toledo' name from 1991 to around 2019.
great to see a new review! have missed your vids! your looking great by the way!
hi Steph i passed my test in 1972 and could only afford old mini vans, but always dreamed of owning a triumph dolomite or toledo , for me it was the dashboard, love your new look
Bet you wish you still had an old mini van? You could sell it and buy a tesla!
Great dress and car colour combo
Keep them coming, Steph.
My first car was a toledo ,and I will buy one again one day. Love it
My first car was a 1968 triumph Herald second was an S reg Spitfire. Always fancied a 2000 or a stag really loved the style and had so much fun driving mine. The Toledo never really caught my eye but it does look like a nice classic to have some fun driving in.
Love your enthousiast story. I drive old cars for more than 40 years. It is tru you can enjoy such a car. And if you find your way even with more exclusive cars it is not a hell of a job to find spare parts. The specialisted garages and people from clubs are often very helpfully. But be carefull too buy a good starter. Beter buy a good one with a few problems than a cheap one with everything on the edge off replacing. Even with small children we went too the Pyreneeën for a holiday from Holland with a good maintanted car from 45 years old.
Nowadays I drive a Saab 99 from 1973. It had the upgraded motor of the 1850cc Dolomite. So there is still some connecties.
You look fabulous! Brilliant videos, keep up the good work x
I’m more of a classic bike guy but I’ve always enjoyed your videos and you are now looking even more amazing, best wishes for 2023!
Great video, love a triumph Toledo 👍
My old Maths teacher use to drive one the same colour. The front looks just like his face! He had a toupee that would blow off in the wind!
Another fantastic video Steph! - Brilliantly summed up a great looking, fun to drive, classic car! :)
OMG Rimmer Bros! You’ve just reminded me I need to order a coil for the 1300. Speak to you tomorrow 😂
OMG that tailpipe!
I used to get a lift to work in a Dolomite in the mid 80s and I remember the thick shag pile carpet. Wonderful!
I took my first driving lessons in one of these in the seventies, though I passed my test in a Mini.
Steph, most Toledos had the 3 rail gearboxes. The single rail "Marina" gearbox was used on the Toledo from April 1975 (according to the Haynes manual) and on the later Dolomite 1300 and Dolomite 1500/1500HL. There's plenty of support from the Triumph Dolomite Club. Club Triumph and the TSSC also cater for the Toledo.
Thank you!
Firstly WOW look at you girl your looking fantastic , 2nd my dad had the 1300 TOLIDO and I loved it yes the cheaper variant but I can still remember the smell of the new PVC seats ,
You are so good at this! You are knowledgeable, a great communicator and stylish! Thank you for making these videos especially after you have told us how difficult it has been for you. I think you are remarkable. Onwards and upwards!
We had one of these when I was a kid. Midnight blue with black plastic seats, which both burnt you legs, and gave off the most nauseating smell in hot summers, but we were fond of the little bastard. Many a childish bicker with three of us on the backseat.
I had a 1500cc version of the toledo as my first car in 1986...brought back memories.
Thanks Steph. Very interesting indeed. My garage man has phoned tonight to say all the work on my 67 Minor will be completed by next Friday. Yippee! I'll be on the road.
Thanks a lot for the video.
Wonderful review and great to see one of these. Xx
Blimmey this is a rare gem thanks for sharing cheers Stephen 🍀✌️
My first car in 1985 was a Toledo 2 door 1300 (1971) and I paid £125 for it. Kept it for 9 months then sold it for £175. Then a 1976 1500 TC Dolomite (with vinyl roof!), Then a 1976 Sprint. Then finally before I met my wife a 1973 TR6 (triple SU). Loved my Triumphs. Only necessary tool kit - jack, brace, screwdriver, emery paper (for points) and a mallet for the starter motor. How motoring has changed.
Great vid - thanks Steph
My first two cars were a Triumph Herald, and a Triumph Toledo. Both great cars.
Excellent video - as ALWAYS 👏👏👍 I always had a soft spot for the underrated Toledo, especially the two door and the rock bottom Baseline models. Everybody wants the Dolomite Sprint, but the Toledo is just sweet 😊
Interesting review as always . The old Triumph Herald was a fantastic car much under-rated . I only drove one Toledo but was hugely impressed particularly by the quality of the interior fittings . Good job Steph .
The Triumphs at that time were always nice quality cars, often bought by middle class customers. The Toledo was quite a surprise when it first came along by it's retro step back to rear wheel drive, but it was a delight to work on and the engine design still had many years of life left in it. The engine was from the Standard 8/10 of the early 1950's and it lasted right through to the Triumph Spitfires in1980.
Mazda Luce 1500 of 1966 also had it's interior designed in the same way even including this wood paneling except for 2 differences; it's steering wheel had a D-shaped metal half-ring on the lower side of the wheel for horn and it had column-shift gear lever.
Your videos are great Steph, and not just because I've never heard of a lot of the cars you test ('Mercan here) but because there is a real practicality in your assessments as to the ease of enjoyment of these neat cars. And just as a side note, you look great! I hope you got the results that you were looking for. And where some say "Why doesn't Triumph design a new engine?" the Stag and its V8 come up and say "Hold my beer." I saw a Stag a couple of weeks ago, only the second I've seen in my life. Very cool.
Looking good Steph! Always hankerd after one of these, or a Dolomite. Good review. Screw the haters. x
Looking great.
Great video as always Steph, you have tempted me with the Toledo... Great to see Kev back on the channel and happy that he dailys this stunning little car.
Hello,
Excellent, video, pleased to hear that these Toledo's are still popular and sought after. You may not be surprised to read that, like you, I had a Triumph 1300 model, same as yours. It was previously owned by a Vicar and was lovely, with all the woodwork in it.
As you say, all the refinements were done away with on the Toledo, but thankfully retained on the Dolomite and Sprint versions. The Toledo also had a 1500 version as well. Later I owned a Triumph 2000 and later still and mote recently I owned a Triumph Spitfire. So I may look out for a reasonably priced Toledo 1500 or failing that a 1300. Thankyou for making and sharing this video and I wish you all the best for 2023.
Cheers, Jon Barnes.
It’s the Hillman guy looking rather dapper as always
The scenery is very nice. Thanks for the ride/drive along video. Cheers for the New Year.
G'day mate, I have only recently discovered your channel and I must say it's a bonza way to spend a few hours, I have been geeking out on ya channel a bit the last few days.
I also own a Triumph, an Australian built 1972 Triumph 2000, her name is Elizabeth, we have a lot of fun together.
I still have a lot of catching up to do watching your back catalogue, and finding a few episodes I want to see again.
Love ya work mate, I can't wait to see what's next.
Wow, stef you look fantastic xx
You're absolutely right, Steph, talking about the way manufacturers don't seem bothered now about producing affordable, entry level cars to attract people into the brand. Truth is they're not interested. Years ago a manufacturer would be willing to make hardly, if any profit (sometimes a loss) on an entry level small car to attract the customer, in the knowledge that, if they did things right, in the future they could then sell them their more profitable models as the customers' needs, and income changed. It was a long-term view, an investment if you like, but nowadays manufacturers don't think long-term. They're wanting short-term, quick profits, to keep their shareholders happy. And at the end of the day, car manufacturers realise that, in a short-time, there won't be any need for all these different brands and companies, so they're making hay whilst the sun shines. We're (apparently) heading towards autonomous vehicles, will anyone really care who makes the vehicle that carries them around? I don't think anyone cares who makes the bus or train they travel in.
As ever a great video, Steph, thank you for all your hard work maintaining interest in these fantastic vehicles.
Excellent review Stef, ignore the derogatory remarks about your dress you are doing fine. You must look to the future and,farm vehicles of which I’m sure you will succeed in future.😊
Great video steph as usual keep up your brilliant work
great video Steph, great little practical and cheap classic with true 70's style. I miss my '72 one; which was in Leyland s**t brown and called Basil. They're seriously underrated and a complete hoot to drive.😃😉😛🥰
Your channel is always a nice place to be x
My first car was a 'T' reg Russet brown 1300 Dolomite bought at auction for £140 in 1993. Happy days.
Nice work Steph, brilliant as always 😊👍
Great video, Looking Stunning. The car isnt bad either 😉
Haha. I look ropey but thank you.
Brilliant video 😀👍👍👍
You look really well. Great car thanks
My first car was á Dolomite. Very much fun to drive. I Will never forget it. This one had the same architecture, sound and I think more reliable motor perhaps. So this Toledo is really a good alternative.
My Dolomite got an exident sadly so that was the and. Otherwhise I probably would stil drive such cars.
Thanks for sharing!
vicars loved them !