Thanks for talking about Polr functions. It's NOT an ignored function its simultaneously hyper-fixated on and completely avoided, it's an oscillating function that causes drama in one's life.
I used to argue otherwise, i told people that i don't cope about Fi vulnerable and that it is made up bullsht claim and here we are, if you don't cope, you're just confused about your own typing, take it from me.
Very good video. I would say SEEs are more like your typical high school jocks/chads, whilst SLEs are more like big bears just going after what they need.
Perfect explanation! SLE fem here. Always thought I was an introvert because im not super talkative but i like to talk when im having fun and discussing important topics, and thought i was a feeler because of abuse coping mechanisms.
You know not too long ago, I was completely unaware that I was mixing Western with Classical, and bloody fucking hell did Western mess up my typings on another level. This video pretty much covers up the major differences in Se. Good one man.
Would you consider making a Te base video? That might not market well for your audience but it could combat some stigmas revolving around LSE and LIE given your influence. I’m unaware if you’ve already made such a video or not.
In the Beneficiary/Supervision Rings: SEE/I progresses by developing Flexible/Contact Fi/Fe/Ni/Ne to become more internally motivated like EIE/I. SLE/I progresses by developing Flexible/Contact Ti/Te/Ni/Ne to become more detached like LIE/I.
Would you consider talking about the dualization of sociotypes? I have always been interested in understanding how it works mainly between Se base types and Ni base types
This video was super insightful and informative. I feel like I can differentiate SLE and SEE way easier now. It also made me realize my brother is SLE so thank you!
Thanks, sounds like the video done it's job, SLE and SEE are quite different in many ways so it is generally not that hard to tell the difference, people sometimes get stuck on tiny details.
If it wasn´t for SEEs some ILIs like me would dissociate from life completely. I kinda need them to feel the feelings in my behalf. Just like I´m their compass to know when to cool down and avoid burning the whole place down, they are my compass to know when to get out of the burning house, as it´s hard for me to get emotions to the right level to start drastic action. SLEs seem too harsh, and even though we kinda try to repeat the aforementioned dynamic, it´s just clumsy. It´s logic vs logic, and we both feel like we need time away from each other after our interactions.
Just finished the whole video and I’ve gotta say that SLE sounds way different than an ESTP. At least how it’s described in MBTI. That’s why I couldn’t accept being an SLE. I thought the Fe was supposed to be really exuberant and in your face and it turns out it’s not. The examples you showed are exactly how people describe me. Keep posting videos because you’ve really been helping me recognize myself a lot
Considering people made the ESTP out to be this hyper charming expressive maniac, yeah it doesn't fit, but those are just stereotypes, actual ESTPs are the way SLEs are.
Thanks for the type breakdown man.i really needed something like this Because i been confused on my type. But After this video my type is Most likely see.
I like the use of examples in the video. I recommend doing all same bases versus each other with your new found information. Keep it up with the full enneagram videos too 👍
Why do you think ESE and SEE can be mistaken for each other commonly? Explain there are always debates on whether this character is SEE or ESE? Why SEE commonly mistaken for Fe base in your opinion? How to tell difference?
Quasi identicals but from what i have noticed, it's ESEs who think they're SEEs not the other way around, people maybe see an ESE who is aggressive and they're quick to type them SEE. The debates just happen due to mischaracterisation of the type, they view SEE as very different from an SLE, in reality they're literally Se bases
What do you think of Gavin Mckinnes's type ? He feels very VFLE but is also too humorous to be an 8 (and of course sx1 ) imo. Seems like a weird mix of sp7 and VFLE but I know that is not possible.
Would it be weird for an ILE SO7 VLEF to be shy and awkward? I relate to all 3 of them and have limited my socionics down to LII and ILE, and following how much I value each function I should be ILE. But in most social situations I’m rather passive, shy and awkward. When with people im familiar with or close to I definitely would come off as ILE 7 no doubt, but sometimes I feel too shy and reserved when I’m not with those people to be ILE 7. I always try to consider LII 5 and 6 but I always circle back to ILE 7. Is this normal or am I cosplaying?
Some parts of the video and explanations you give are true but there are a few mistakes. Generally the demonstrative function isn't used "for others", an SEE uses their Fe demo to talk about their own emotions and emotional moods, to express how they themselves feel or it is used as a way to deal with dangerous and uncomfortable sitiatuons as a weapon. The Id and specifically the demonstrative function is the main way in which the person physically and outwardly uses their energy. For the SLE they release their energy through work, action while the SEE does so through emotional expression. Also both the Fi and Fe of SEE are kinetic and contact functions. The emotional moods of the SEE and their feelings, like or dislike towards others are the main way with which the express themselves and interact with the world and with other people. You seem to be realy downplaying the emotionality of this type. The other types that have kinetic and contact Fi and Fe are SEI, IEI and IEE all of which are considered really emotional types, doesn't make much sense fornthe SEE to be any different
I still have problems with that bad boy cliche of the SLE and that he still gets confused with other types here. Also the hyping of cognitive functions to an extent as being 'tacticle' is serving the stereotype of an officer or general in the army. I think the ESTP/ SLE is way different from that. The SLE should be seen more in directions of a 9 instead an 8. Somebody who does what needs to be done without hesitation nor perfection. Who is willing to aid but also is careful who to trust. Who is relaxed and open yet practical and freedom oriented. Sombody you had like to have as a big brother or best friend when life hits you most. Compared to the ESTJ - Let the ESTP be the distant father who sends you cards and gifts from his adventures and different jobs, when you are a kid. Someone who is living free and knows stuff, who is dreamy but also ressourceful. The attitude: Keep everything easy going and simple as it should be to reach that one goal that allows you feel free and prosperous, where every knowledge is a tool and each person a potential partner.
There is nothing 9 about SLE, where did you get this information? 8 is not a control obsessed rigid type, they are lustful and oriented towards personal freedom
@@Just_Rusted I have that Information from reading the enneagramms. I don't see why ESTPs can't be chill people. Even the ESTPs interviewed by Jack from World of Socionics interviewed an ESTP who is never an 8. And don't forget about wings.
I am SEE and Sang-Chol though, yes Chol-Sang is most common, cause Se base are assertive, Sanguine Choleric comes second most common ; I am most likely - Sx2 Sx4 or Sx8 still deciding, back to temperament some people think I am Chol-Sang though, for instance my mom learned typology(temperament) and typed me as a Choleric primary, make sense probs cause I get angry and have intense body language and movements ; but anyhow, I am not serious about my typology, I just go with the flow with what my typings would be. My general traits are - outspoken about my personal opinions, very intense and assertive, emotionally reactive(my Fe is quite good for an SEE tbh...), but sometimes can build walls can seen researved and cold, cause I cared about protecting my own emotions as well as that of others(Fi), by behavior I am very hedonistic and hyperenergetic - you got that! I am literally that! but I believe everyone is unique and traits gonna manifest differently even though one and the other person has the same type.
I find temperaments one of the easiest systems to deal with especially when trying to find your primary temperament, blends can be bit more tricky. In my eyes Se base doesn't fit SX4 or SX2, only E8
Strickland is extreme version of IEE, he joined UFC for therapy. Du Plessis -SLI, dual or activity battle are fun to watch. Also Sean can't take care of himself, look at his cribs. His Fi also allover the place (Ne-Fi) . Khabib is SLE - McGregor is EIE playing character.
@@Just_Rusted how is khabib is 4 😂 the most emotional reactive enneagram after his father died he goes and fight the same year 4 will not recover from that
@@abdalhameedalkhumsan7943 You still on that riso hudson bandwagon? Thought we're over this already. David goggins is an extreme representation of unhealthy SP 4, a person who has struggled with low self esteem and image focus (he cared deeply about fitting in) who then transforms into a beast by seeking strenght in his pain, grief and agony, he uses those "demons" to push through everyday, if he does not, he then falls into depressive states. What is next, you type Mike Tyson SX 6 too?
Everything about ILE contradicts the nature of 1L, ILE is only 2L. Just to give quick run down, think of ILE and ILI like this, the ILE is exploratory, it's always seeking novelty, stimulation, mental, new things, more more more, expanding, the ILI is more retaining what it already has, it's resources, it's energy, it's time, information, you name it, the ILE is just so much more externally focused.
@@Just_Rusted But if 1L chases after a universal truth and interested in finding an all encompassing solution then why would that contradict ILEs external exploratory journey? It would mean that the knowledge gathered is used for reaching new conclusions about the world that exists around them.
@@mr.chaoticgood1469 ILE is a type that is prone to exploration but also dialogue, they're witty, intellectual, they go back and forth with people, play with ideas and are often seen discussing them and playing with them, that's very Ti creative and Ne base. ILi is not like that, there is more resultative logic , it's not as playful or explorative in this specific sense
@@Just_Rusted I understand that ILI is more result oriented and withdrawn to knowledge which is why you say they are call core 5s in enneagram. However you also said that So7 and Sp7 fit well with ILE. If 1L is not a compatible psychosophy for ILE which socionics in model A would be?
SLE as fuck His Fi is usually the cause of his downfall, with Vince after he loses him as a client and it affects him to his core unconsciously (Home and work), his wife and kids, as well as his work relationships
@@a1acran He is very Fi vulnerable in that way for sure but his overall attitude and demeanor is too Se+ heavy for SLE tbh, he just represents FI polr good
@@Just_RustedHe reps the functions well except Se+. Dk why they wrote him like that given there's almost literally no other E8 with regular appearances apart from Billy Walsh ofc Sx8 847.
Yep, many people will disagree on his typing but that's besides the point imo, it's about how the SEE is viewed, i tried to show different people and variations
@@Just_Rusted only if people understood how socionics truly works. SX2 won't be nothing like SEE just cause both ESE and SEE have the same 4D functions, you cant just swap them like that 🥶, that'd be like saying SLE can be SP1/SO1
SLE: assault
SEE: assault (with rizz)
Not bad
@@Just_Rusted also have you given more thought to VLFE SO7?
lol facts
SLE is when bad guy wears a hoodie and SEE is when bad guy wears a pimp suit
Average Rust-coded type diffrentiation
I find this hilarious since I’m always wearing hoodies
Thanks for talking about Polr functions. It's NOT an ignored function its simultaneously hyper-fixated on and completely avoided, it's an oscillating function that causes drama in one's life.
I used to argue otherwise, i told people that i don't cope about Fi vulnerable and that it is made up bullsht claim and here we are, if you don't cope, you're just confused about your own typing, take it from me.
Very good video. I would say SEEs are more like your typical high school jocks/chads, whilst SLEs are more like big bears just going after what they need.
Bears - SLI.
@@greencrow106 True, that works too.
SLE: FULL MONKEY
SEE: MONKEY + FEELINGS
Perfect explanation! SLE fem here. Always thought I was an introvert because im not super talkative but i like to talk when im having fun and discussing important topics, and thought i was a feeler because of abuse coping mechanisms.
I think this might be me.. you put it into words for me. Thank you.
You know not too long ago, I was completely unaware that I was mixing Western with Classical, and bloody fucking hell did Western mess up my typings on another level. This video pretty much covers up the major differences in Se. Good one man.
That was me, i had no idea what i even used just to find out it was purely westernized, going back to the roots now.
@@Just_Rusted What is specifically wrong with Western? Do tell!
This was perfect. Well done.
Thanks appreciate it
OH MY GOD Finally someone made a video about it 🎉 and true I’d seen many ESFP SEE got mistyped as ESTP SLE all the time on PDB!
Would you consider making a Te base video? That might not market well for your audience but it could combat some stigmas revolving around LSE and LIE given your influence. I’m unaware if you’ve already made such a video or not.
LSE vs LIE? Yes i wanna do that video
In the Beneficiary/Supervision Rings:
SEE/I progresses by developing Flexible/Contact Fi/Fe/Ni/Ne to become more internally motivated like EIE/I.
SLE/I progresses by developing Flexible/Contact Ti/Te/Ni/Ne to become more detached like LIE/I.
My husband is SEE, I’m IEI. As time goes by, our relationship gets better and better.
Would you consider talking about the dualization of sociotypes? I have always been interested in understanding how it works mainly between Se base types and Ni base types
Much needed thank you for this 🙏
It's no problem man, hopefully the video showed the most important facets to each type
This video was super insightful and informative. I feel like I can differentiate SLE and SEE way easier now. It also made me realize my brother is SLE so thank you!
Thanks, sounds like the video done it's job, SLE and SEE are quite different in many ways so it is generally not that hard to tell the difference, people sometimes get stuck on tiny details.
@@Just_Rusted Yah I can’t believe how easy it is they’re such different types despite both being Se base.
Wouldn't SLE be chol-phleg?
Also, the only thing I don't understand is how are SLEs 3L with that Ti-Te magic.
Yes i believe it's very common for the type with choleric dominant being one that is also common probably
The whole world: Nap-O-Leon
Rust: Na-Po-Lay-On
Mohamad Ali was the most stereotypical text book SEE I could think of in a good day. That video was the icing on the cake.
Oh yeah extremely SEE, flamboyant mf
If it wasn´t for SEEs some ILIs like me would dissociate from life completely. I kinda need them to feel the feelings in my behalf. Just like I´m their compass to know when to cool down and avoid burning the whole place down, they are my compass to know when to get out of the burning house, as it´s hard for me to get emotions to the right level to start drastic action.
SLEs seem too harsh, and even though we kinda try to repeat the aforementioned dynamic, it´s just clumsy. It´s logic vs logic, and we both feel like we need time away from each other after our interactions.
Just finished the whole video and I’ve gotta say that SLE sounds way different than an ESTP. At least how it’s described in MBTI. That’s why I couldn’t accept being an SLE. I thought the Fe was supposed to be really exuberant and in your face and it turns out it’s not. The examples you showed are exactly how people describe me. Keep posting videos because you’ve really been helping me recognize myself a lot
Considering people made the ESTP out to be this hyper charming expressive maniac, yeah it doesn't fit, but those are just stereotypes, actual ESTPs are the way SLEs are.
Cool video, I hope it becomes a series.
Thanks for the type breakdown man.i really needed something like this Because i been confused on my type. But After this video my type is Most likely see.
I'm glad you found your type then
@Just_Rusted Thanks Brother
I like the use of examples in the video. I recommend doing all same bases versus each other with your new found information. Keep it up with the full enneagram videos too 👍
Why do you think ESE and SEE can be mistaken for each other commonly? Explain there are always debates on whether this character is SEE or ESE? Why SEE commonly mistaken for Fe base in your opinion? How to tell difference?
Quasi identicals but from what i have noticed, it's ESEs who think they're SEEs not the other way around, people maybe see an ESE who is aggressive and they're quick to type them SEE.
The debates just happen due to mischaracterisation of the type, they view SEE as very different from an SLE, in reality they're literally Se bases
Honestly this explains a lot of things great video as always
Thanks g
What do you think of Gavin Mckinnes's type ? He feels very VFLE but is also too humorous to be an 8 (and of course sx1 ) imo. Seems like a weird mix of sp7 and VFLE but I know that is not possible.
do you type misa amane as SEE or ESE then? i am not asking what she is, i am askinf what tou type her
I did not watch the show but i read about the character and saw some scenes, she is not an SEE but rather ESE
@@Just_Rusted exactly! as a SEE she is not accepted into gang lol
Do you think there are SLEs who have been mistyped as SLIs because they seemed too "chill" for a Se base?
Yes i'd say so, i mean the example of Reacher people in ths comment section are trying to type ISTP LSI and SLI SP9
Would it be weird for an ILE SO7 VLEF to be shy and awkward? I relate to all 3 of them and have limited my socionics down to LII and ILE, and following how much I value each function I should be ILE. But in most social situations I’m rather passive, shy and awkward. When with people im familiar with or close to I definitely would come off as ILE 7 no doubt, but sometimes I feel too shy and reserved when I’m not with those people to be ILE 7.
I always try to consider LII 5 and 6 but I always circle back to ILE 7. Is this normal or am I cosplaying?
I don't think it's that weird
Some parts of the video and explanations you give are true but there are a few mistakes. Generally the demonstrative function isn't used "for others", an SEE uses their Fe demo to talk about their own emotions and emotional moods, to express how they themselves feel or it is used as a way to deal with dangerous and uncomfortable sitiatuons as a weapon. The Id and specifically the demonstrative function is the main way in which the person physically and outwardly uses their energy. For the SLE they release their energy through work, action while the SEE does so through emotional expression. Also both the Fi and Fe of SEE are kinetic and contact functions. The emotional moods of the SEE and their feelings, like or dislike towards others are the main way with which the express themselves and interact with the world and with other people. You seem to be realy downplaying the emotionality of this type. The other types that have kinetic and contact Fi and Fe are SEI, IEI and IEE all of which are considered really emotional types, doesn't make much sense fornthe SEE to be any different
I still have problems with that bad boy cliche of the SLE and that he still gets confused with other types here. Also the hyping of cognitive functions to an extent as being 'tacticle' is serving the stereotype of an officer or general in the army. I think the ESTP/ SLE is way different from that.
The SLE should be seen more in directions of a 9 instead an 8.
Somebody who does what needs to be done without hesitation nor perfection.
Who is willing to aid but also is careful who to trust.
Who is relaxed and open yet practical and freedom oriented.
Sombody you had like to have as a big brother or best friend when life hits you most.
Compared to the ESTJ - Let the ESTP be the distant father who sends you cards and gifts from his adventures and different jobs, when you are a kid.
Someone who is living free and knows stuff, who is dreamy but also ressourceful.
The attitude: Keep everything easy going and simple as it should be to reach that one goal that allows you feel free and prosperous, where every knowledge is a tool and each person a potential partner.
There is nothing 9 about SLE, where did you get this information? 8 is not a control obsessed rigid type, they are lustful and oriented towards personal freedom
@@Just_Rusted I have that Information from reading the enneagramms. I don't see why ESTPs can't be chill people. Even the ESTPs interviewed by Jack from World of Socionics interviewed an ESTP who is never an 8. And don't forget about wings.
I am SEE and Sang-Chol though, yes Chol-Sang is most common, cause Se base are assertive, Sanguine Choleric comes second most common ; I am most likely - Sx2 Sx4 or Sx8 still deciding, back to temperament some people think I am Chol-Sang though, for instance my mom learned typology(temperament) and typed me as a Choleric primary, make sense probs cause I get angry and have intense body language and movements ; but anyhow, I am not serious about my typology, I just go with the flow with what my typings would be.
My general traits are - outspoken about my personal opinions, very intense and assertive, emotionally reactive(my Fe is quite good for an SEE tbh...), but sometimes can build walls can seen researved and cold, cause I cared about protecting my own emotions as well as that of others(Fi), by behavior I am very hedonistic and hyperenergetic - you got that! I am literally that! but I believe everyone is unique and traits gonna manifest differently even though one and the other person has the same type.
I find temperaments one of the easiest systems to deal with especially when trying to find your primary temperament, blends can be bit more tricky.
In my eyes Se base doesn't fit SX4 or SX2, only E8
Sean Strickland - ISTP SLI
Bruce Lee - ISTJ LSI
ISTP SLI SX 8
ISTJ LSI SO 8
dose SLE so8 works?
I think it works, i do have quite a hard time finding examples irl of it, at least of those i am aware.
I type Ragnar Lothbrok as SO8 SLE in fiction.
Strickland is extreme version of IEE, he joined UFC for therapy. Du Plessis -SLI, dual or activity battle are fun to watch. Also Sean can't take care of himself, look at his cribs. His Fi also allover the place (Ne-Fi) . Khabib is SLE - McGregor is EIE playing character.
Yes, IEE SX 8 sean, Khabib SLE SP 4 and McGregor EIE SX 8
@@Just_Rusted how is khabib is 4 😂 the most emotional reactive enneagram after his father died he goes and fight the same year 4 will not recover from that
@@abdalhameedalkhumsan7943 You know who else is a 4? David Goggins, yes it's not weird for a 4 to recover that, we call it SP 4
@@Just_Rusted that is more absurd than khabib 😂 David goggins his entire existence is going against his fears sx6 all he talks and writes about
@@abdalhameedalkhumsan7943 You still on that riso hudson bandwagon? Thought we're over this already.
David goggins is an extreme representation of unhealthy SP 4, a person who has struggled with low self esteem and image focus (he cared deeply about fitting in) who then transforms into a beast by seeking strenght in his pain, grief and agony, he uses those "demons" to push through everyday, if he does not, he then falls into depressive states.
What is next, you type Mike Tyson SX 6 too?
Do you think Alexander the Great is an SLE?
Do you think result physics could be self-preservation?
Let's take a look
SP1 = No
SP2 = Yes (1F)
SP3 = Yes (1F)
SP4 = Yes (1F)
SP5 = No
SP6 = No
SP7 = Yes (1F)
SP8 = No
SP9 = Yes (1F)
Heyyyyy rust 😜🗿🫵. Yo bro could you make a video covering the difference between different triads? Gut vs Heart vs Head maybe?
Can you cover differences between ILE and ILI too?
Also is a 1L possible for ILEs?
Everything about ILE contradicts the nature of 1L, ILE is only 2L.
Just to give quick run down, think of ILE and ILI like this, the ILE is exploratory, it's always seeking novelty, stimulation, mental, new things, more more more, expanding, the ILI is more retaining what it already has, it's resources, it's energy, it's time, information, you name it, the ILE is just so much more externally focused.
@@Just_Rusted But if 1L chases after a universal truth and interested in finding an all encompassing solution then why would that contradict ILEs external exploratory journey? It would mean that the knowledge gathered is used for reaching new conclusions about the world that exists around them.
@@mr.chaoticgood1469 ILE is a type that is prone to exploration but also dialogue, they're witty, intellectual, they go back and forth with people, play with ideas and are often seen discussing them and playing with them, that's very Ti creative and Ne base.
ILi is not like that, there is more resultative logic , it's not as playful or explorative in this specific sense
@@Just_Rusted I understand that ILI is more result oriented and withdrawn to knowledge which is why you say they are call core 5s in enneagram. However you also said that So7 and Sp7 fit well with ILE. If 1L is not a compatible psychosophy for ILE which socionics in model A would be?
ILI fits 1L, LII fits 1L, LSI fits 1L, IEI fits 1L, EII fits 1L
But on archetypal level it's ILI, LII and LSI
Favorite video to date💯
Thanks brother
LFVE vs FLVE
which sociotype do you think donald trump, arnold schwarzenegger ,zlatan ibrahimovic are?
see or sle
Donald trump SLE
Arnold LSE
Zlatan SLE
@@Just_Rusted Trump SEE 8w7
Would you type trump as an sle so8 or sp8
SLE SP8 Chol-mel could be possible?
Yes
SLE SP8 - сhol-phleg
Probably yes
This was a video about SEEs ….. and SLE yes 😅?!
Ari Gold SLE or SEE ?
A very odd SLE, i'd never use him as an example of the type, he is not very accurate to real life representation
SLE as fuck
His Fi is usually the cause of his downfall, with Vince after he loses him as a client and it affects him to his core unconsciously (Home and work), his wife and kids, as well as his work relationships
@@a1acran He is very Fi vulnerable in that way for sure but his overall attitude and demeanor is too Se+ heavy for SLE tbh, he just represents FI polr good
@@Just_RustedHe reps the functions well except Se+. Dk why they wrote him like that given there's almost literally no other E8 with regular appearances apart from Billy Walsh ofc Sx8 847.
Nice video baby🥰. Are you still against Lie so7?🥰
LIE SO7 is something i've talked about with some people in the past, i did not think it over rather opened to it.
The type is called Napoleon for fuck's sake, show some respect people 😂
Yep, many people will disagree on his typing but that's besides the point imo, it's about how the SEE is viewed, i tried to show different people and variations
@@Just_Rusted only if people understood how socionics truly works. SX2 won't be nothing like SEE just cause both ESE and SEE have the same 4D functions, you cant just swap them like that 🥶, that'd be like saying SLE can be SP1/SO1
Sx2 archetype is SEE it doesn't fit ESE nearly as well