phenomenal videos. nobody is explaining how this stuff actually works but you! Not alot of information out there on leveling up your skills and workflow with a shaper.
I wish you had made this video about 3 years ago when I was first exploring using the spindle moulder as a tenoner - it would have saved me a lot of trial and error (and not to mention money!) I've always had a fairly small workshop and need each machine to perform as many functions as possible - I've often wondered about getting a dedicated tenoner, but having upgraded my spindle moulder to something with more power and usable spindle length, I've managed to make the machine do the work of a tenoner too. Whitehill have some great tools on offer which really helps - not sure what spindle moulder users would do without them!? Making windows is a particular joy once I got the right set of tooling and cutters - but it often needs videos like these to describe the process!
I'm in the same boat. If someone gave me a nice tenoner I'd get out the shoehorn and fit it in I think, but the spindle really does work well for smaller runs and some say it's faster to set up than a 4 head. I actually have a simple window video in the works but am focused on timberframing for the next few months. I look foreward to getting back to it. Thank you for the comment, I really appreciate it.
@@DovetailTimberworks Hi Brent, no I don't have the Wadkin up and running yet, just been too busy with other stuff, hopefully get at it sometime this year. Love the timber frame buildings, awesome stuff!
Awesome video Brent. I’d love to see a follow up that talks about different work holding options and pros and cons. Not all of us have a Panhans bolt-on tenoning table unfortunately 😁
Hi Dovetail Timberworks, First class advice, keeping the mass lowdown on the spindle close to the bearing. I'm impressed with your choice that you're a UK, #Whitehilltools user. Top Drawer, they're a brilliant company. Tony
@@DovetailTimberworks They are old school woodworking professionals making outstandingly good tooling for the woodworking industry. Thanks Dovetail, Tony
Great video and thanks for your efforts. I liked the tooling options although the costing does come into it. I had thought of getting some adjustable discs like “le ravageur” I’ve seen from France. You touched on the tolerances you allow for the mortices/tenons for different timbers and that would be interesting too. I don’t do much volume so the time to set it up puts me off sometimes plus finding the matching chisels for the morticer. I know it’s a narrow field but I do enjoy seeing the shaper work/milling on your channel. Cheers
Appreciate hearing that, thank you. I am trying to show the scope of tooling options with the idea of opening up the shaper to every user and budget. That little book I keep notes in was the best thing I ever did for efficiency with the tooling!
Thanks for the video. I've had a shaper as part of my Hammer B3 (which I've had for a little over a year and half) and it's something I'm trying to use more.
@@DovetailTimberworks The first year, I didn't do much with it as I was a bit afraid of it. Then I took an Alpine Workshop class and had an 'adult' teach me how to use one. 😄 Just waiting for the weather to get a warmer to start getting some quality time in the shop. Looks like you've been having fun putting up buildings.
Brent a very educational video. I am looking forward to using my new Whitehill tooling. I have wondered about using my Freeborn adjustable groover in the way you describe. I would be very interested in your work holding information. Also looks like we buy shirts from the same place.
Hi Dovetail Timberworks. I cut my teeth on Wadkin EQ spindle moulders starting back in 1976. I see you also have an HOLZ HER stock feeder as well. Cut my teeth on those as well and used the Steff feed units as well. What microphone are you using? It's the best I've heard so far on YT. Great video. Tony
Thanks Tony, I love the EQ, it's such a lovely smooth machine to use. The big 4 wheel HH is a beast especially since I have a single phase motor on it. Id like to exchange it for a 600v 3ph unit as it would be much lighter and easier to set up. I'm not sure which mic I was using in this video, probably a small wired one, but I appreciate the feedback that it works for you!
I could try, though it's a bit hard to do a tenon of any real length without a sliding carriage of some sort. The carriage does two things: it makes the movement relatively effortless, and holds the piece very firmly. There are some old school techniques that are frowned upon now too. 😬😬😳😳
@@DovetailTimberworks very true! My mentors way of doing tennons is using a sacrificial fence and the running the work piece with a block behind it to stop break out. I recently finished a jig that can do tennons and angled tennons too! I'm interested in this because we are a ways off getting a sliding table for our spindle, we have a wadkin ber 3 and I was looking at buying the scmi sliding table but for now I am looking at other methods to keep us going.
@@davydmir6565 That's one of the ones I was thinking of! 🙂 With a sturdy, well designed, robust "coping sled" type unit, you could reliably tenon in the range of an inch and a half I expect, more than that and you're dealing with a lot of back pressure and really have to focus on keeping it against the fence unless running in a miter slot. They Aigner jig would let you do tenons longer than cabinet door stubbies, but would have to think about the upper limit there. Regardless, you want chip limiting tooling for sure doing hand fed tenon work!
@DovetailTimberworks just stumbled over your channel out of the 1,000s & thinks I found what I was wanting as I'm looking for the allusive Long thru Tenon guru. lil Bubba Jo the 14th and his trailer park pretty are on a mission to build 20 4'x6' red cedar window sashes for the trailer. Sad to think they/ll be covered from sight once the beer cans mount up. Is there a Loong tenons vid around?. Stocked up on bandages so, thanks in advance
Not terrible Mike, about $550 for the pair. DR hasn't been used yet, I wired it up to test it, had the thrust bearing remade for me and installed it and then covid hit and I left for NB for 18 months!
The ones shown are actually capable of a 69mm tenon. I got them because they were the widest I could use within the conventional fences on my shaper, without having to put the tenon hood on.
Excellent video. Thank you. I"m considering buying a shaper. Any suggestions? I'm looking at the King Canada, Grizzly and the Harvey. Harvey is the most expensive. All 3hp.
Any shaper is better than no shaper, but all of those listed are pretty light weigh units and I would consider a heavier used one. SAC or SCM with a decent fence and a spindle that runs true would be good
SCM still sells them new and I believe Panhans does too. The Panhans is probably better but they're very expensive. Don't get them here in North America, go to Europe and have it shipped here, the prices are much better.
You usually have to have them made, though at one time they were common for machines as a factory option. I know people that just take a full length spindle to a machine shop and have them cut it short. I had a batch made for my big Wadkin and people are buying them.
That is what is commonly called a "bolt on sliding table attachment". That one is made by Panhans and is fantastic. SCMI makes one too which is good but not as refined. Ebay UK has vintage ones from time to time.
Mainly because it puts me back in a safe operator position where I can take the stock out without spinning cutter by my elbow, unguarded. With the settup as stuff and rigid as mine, there is never any issue at all. The cutting has already been done, so there's no contact on the back stroke. This is common practice on tenoners etc.
Outstanding. I think you are practically the only shaper RUclipsr content maker. Please keep this fabulous content coming. Regards from Oz.
Hey Greg, thanks for the encouragement! I have a few things in the pipe, but please don't hesitate to make requests for what you want to see.
Best shaper video that I have seen so far . Thank you.... also from down under.
Awesome, thank you! Appreciate the feedback.
This is a great resource and you’ve answered some questions I’ve had on my mind. Thank you.🙏
That's what I want to hear! Appreciate knowing I've helped folks out! Let me know if you have any questions.
Yes! Interested in long tenons, too, thanks, and the methods for clamping...pretty much everything you mentioned!
I think there may be a few saying the same thing! :)
phenomenal videos. nobody is explaining how this stuff actually works but you! Not alot of information out there on leveling up your skills and workflow with a shaper.
Thank you, I appreciate hearing it! I have a new one on longer tenons coming up before too long.
I wish you had made this video about 3 years ago when I was first exploring using the spindle moulder as a tenoner - it would have saved me a lot of trial and error (and not to mention money!) I've always had a fairly small workshop and need each machine to perform as many functions as possible - I've often wondered about getting a dedicated tenoner, but having upgraded my spindle moulder to something with more power and usable spindle length, I've managed to make the machine do the work of a tenoner too. Whitehill have some great tools on offer which really helps - not sure what spindle moulder users would do without them!? Making windows is a particular joy once I got the right set of tooling and cutters - but it often needs videos like these to describe the process!
I'm in the same boat. If someone gave me a nice tenoner I'd get out the shoehorn and fit it in I think, but the spindle really does work well for smaller runs and some say it's faster to set up than a 4 head.
I actually have a simple window video in the works but am focused on timberframing for the next few months. I look foreward to getting back to it. Thank you for the comment, I really appreciate it.
A bit dry? Bloody excellent 👏 🇦🇺
Thank you!
Enjoyed the video, very well presented and very informative, thanks.
Hi Mark, thanks very much! Feeling a bit rusty. Did you get the SET up and running? I'd love to see some sawdust flying from that beast.
@@DovetailTimberworks Hi Brent, no I don't have the Wadkin up and running yet, just been too busy with other stuff, hopefully get at it sometime this year. Love the timber frame buildings, awesome stuff!
Awesome video Brent. I’d love to see a follow up that talks about different work holding options and pros and cons. Not all of us have a Panhans bolt-on tenoning table unfortunately 😁
Thank you! Feeling pretty rusty from being away from it appreciate the kind words!
Hi Dovetail Timberworks, First class advice, keeping the mass lowdown on the spindle close to the bearing.
I'm impressed with your choice that you're a UK, #Whitehilltools user. Top Drawer, they're a brilliant company. Tony
Thank you for the comment! Yes, I heard about them years ago, and have really appreciated their product line ever since.
@@DovetailTimberworks They are old school woodworking professionals making outstandingly good tooling for the woodworking industry. Thanks Dovetail, Tony
Great video and thanks for your efforts. I liked the tooling options although the costing does come into it. I had thought of getting some adjustable discs like “le ravageur” I’ve seen from France. You touched on the tolerances you allow for the mortices/tenons for different timbers and that would be interesting too. I don’t do much volume so the time to set it up puts me off sometimes plus finding the matching chisels for the morticer. I know it’s a narrow field but I do enjoy seeing the shaper work/milling on your channel. Cheers
Appreciate hearing that, thank you. I am trying to show the scope of tooling options with the idea of opening up the shaper to every user and budget. That little book I keep notes in was the best thing I ever did for efficiency with the tooling!
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Estoy muy feliz de compartir lo que sé. ¡Gracias por el amable comentario!
Very interested in through tenons for doors please
I really hope to get to the "Long Tenon" video this winter spring, but it might not happen. 🤞🤞🤞
Very good,excellent presentation,thankyou.
Thanks for the video. I've had a shaper as part of my Hammer B3 (which I've had for a little over a year and half) and it's something I'm trying to use more.
The more you use it, the more you'll love it! Whitehill makes one of those big Combi blocks specially for your machine. Very handy.
@@DovetailTimberworks The first year, I didn't do much with it as I was a bit afraid of it. Then I took an Alpine Workshop class and had an 'adult' teach me how to use one. 😄 Just waiting for the weather to get a warmer to start getting some quality time in the shop. Looks like you've been having fun putting up buildings.
@@CutitwithaHammer Joe's an old veteran, have sent a number of folks his way over the years. He's very knowledgeable.
Brent a very educational video. I am looking forward to using my new Whitehill tooling. I have wondered about using my Freeborn adjustable groover in the way you describe. I would be very interested in your work holding information. Also looks like we buy shirts from the same place.
Thank you Mark, can't wait to see what you do with your kit.
Hi Dovetail Timberworks. I cut my teeth on Wadkin EQ spindle moulders starting back in 1976. I see you also have an HOLZ HER stock feeder as well.
Cut my teeth on those as well and used the Steff feed units as well. What microphone are you using? It's the best I've heard so far on YT. Great video. Tony
Thanks Tony, I love the EQ, it's such a lovely smooth machine to use. The big 4 wheel HH is a beast especially since I have a single phase motor on it. Id like to exchange it for a 600v 3ph unit as it would be much lighter and easier to set up. I'm not sure which mic I was using in this video, probably a small wired one, but I appreciate the feedback that it works for you!
Awesome video! So informative!, Could you do a video on doing tennons on the spindle moulder without a sliding table?
I could try, though it's a bit hard to do a tenon of any real length without a sliding carriage of some sort. The carriage does two things: it makes the movement relatively effortless, and holds the piece very firmly. There are some old school techniques that are frowned upon now too. 😬😬😳😳
@@DovetailTimberworks very true! My mentors way of doing tennons is using a sacrificial fence and the running the work piece with a block behind it to stop break out. I recently finished a jig that can do tennons and angled tennons too!
I'm interested in this because we are a ways off getting a sliding table for our spindle, we have a wadkin ber 3 and I was looking at buying the scmi sliding table but for now I am looking at other methods to keep us going.
@@davydmir6565 That's one of the ones I was thinking of! 🙂 With a sturdy, well designed, robust "coping sled" type unit, you could reliably tenon in the range of an inch and a half I expect, more than that and you're dealing with a lot of back pressure and really have to focus on keeping it against the fence unless running in a miter slot. They Aigner jig would let you do tenons longer than cabinet door stubbies, but would have to think about the upper limit there. Regardless, you want chip limiting tooling for sure doing hand fed tenon work!
@DovetailTimberworks just stumbled over your channel out of the 1,000s & thinks I found what I was wanting as I'm looking for the allusive Long thru Tenon guru. lil Bubba Jo the 14th and his trailer park pretty are on a mission to build 20 4'x6' red cedar window sashes for the trailer. Sad to think they/ll be covered from sight once the beer cans mount up. Is there a Loong tenons vid around?. Stocked up on bandages so, thanks in advance
that was great........TY
Good video, I bet those 200 mm cutter heads were not cheap? I looked into those a while back for my Felder and was floored.
How is the 30" DR running?
Not terrible Mike, about $550 for the pair. DR hasn't been used yet, I wired it up to test it, had the thrust bearing remade for me and installed it and then covid hit and I left for NB for 18 months!
The ones shown are actually capable of a 69mm tenon. I got them because they were the widest I could use within the conventional fences on my shaper, without having to put the tenon hood on.
Excellent video. Thank you. I"m considering buying a shaper. Any suggestions? I'm looking at the King Canada, Grizzly and the Harvey. Harvey is the most expensive. All 3hp.
Thank you!
Any shaper is better than no shaper, but all of those listed are pretty light weigh units and I would consider a heavier used one. SAC or SCM with a decent fence and a spindle that runs true would be good
Thank you! @@DovetailTimberworks
Where can I get that tenon slide assembly,looks great!
SCM still sells them new and I believe Panhans does too. The Panhans is probably better but they're very expensive. Don't get them here in North America, go to Europe and have it shipped here, the prices are much better.
Where do you find stud spindles ? Struggling to find them on line
You usually have to have them made, though at one time they were common for machines as a factory option. I know people that just take a full length spindle to a machine shop and have them cut it short. I had a batch made for my big Wadkin and people are buying them.
What is the apparatus you are using to move the wood through the cutter head called?
That is what is commonly called a "bolt on sliding table attachment". That one is made by Panhans and is fantastic. SCMI makes one too which is good but not as refined. Ebay UK has vintage ones from time to time.
Why do you keep on backing the wood through your cutter?
Mainly because it puts me back in a safe operator position where I can take the stock out without spinning cutter by my elbow, unguarded. With the settup as stuff and rigid as mine, there is never any issue at all. The cutting has already been done, so there's no contact on the back stroke. This is common practice on tenoners etc.