Very subjective, because we all have different levels of risk tolerance, and we spar with different kinds of people. For our small group, for regular sparring with single handed steel swords (sabre, arming sword, broadsword, sidesword, rapier, smallsword) with people we know, whom we can trust and know how they spar and that they are not people who hit pointlessly hard, I use: Facemask: Vital - damage to eyes both likely and easy, and potentially very harmful. Injury to throat or face less likely but potentially equally damaging. Gorget: Optional. I don't bother because risk is low enough for me with facemask bib Back of head: Optional. I don't bother because risk is low enough for me without it. (We rarely get blows to the back of the head and they are invariably pulled when they do occur.) Jacket: Usually a light jacket (Spes Officer). but sometimes spar without it, and just agree to do so controlled, and in particular without uncontrolled thrusts Elbow protector: Optional, but probably sensible with cutting weapons as elbows easily damaged and very much in the line of fire. I don't bother if no jacket, obviously. Forearm protector: Not worth it imo. Hits to forearm hurt but very unlikely to injure significantly. Gloves: Definitely needed. At least padded leather swordsman's or doorman's gloves (my choice usually, for single handed swords, but there is definitely a risk of very painful blows and even broken fingers or small bones with them). Red Dragon level if you feel the need, but they do very strongly interfere with movement. Pants: Agree, no need. Leg hits are rare and not particularly dangerous.
Knee & shin protectors: Again, I don't bother. Box ("cup", for Yanks): None of us bother. Hits to groin very rare, and when they do occur very painful, but very unlikely to do serious injury. General: "More protection is always wise" - strongly disagree, but this should be a personal choice, and also very much depends whom you are sparring with. For our purposes (sparring in club with known partners who are sensible), I take the view that pain is instructional - we should be very, very keen to avoid getting hit, it's injuries that are to be avoided, and even in regard to injuries the aim is never zero risk but the right level of cost/benefit in terms of risk reduction versus discomfort and impediment.
I am thinking about buying of some stronger protection for hips. just tired of bruises on right hip. And cuts into inside of hip could be very painful.
@@historyandsabre ich habe schon mal im Netz nach einem Verein geschaut. Den den ich gefunden habe konzentriert sich mehr auf deutsche Fechtschule 16. Jahrhundert
My club doesn't recommend red dragon gloves because you can get hit between finger padding. Sparring glove infinity is said to be better because they have same mobility but are hard.
And then you have the issue of you only being able to use hammer grip if it is a bowl hilt sabre. Like he said, it's about trade offs, but i think not being able to thumb grip or even handshake grip makes those gloves worthless when training with anything more complex hilted than a D guard
Nope, but I've just had a look at HF Armory! These look quite similar to the Red Dragons, so I guess they should function about the same. Couldn't find the White Company gloves, though, do you have a link?
@@historyandsabre You can look up Sergey Volkov on facebook for the White Company gloves. They can only be ordered there. They announced a new model just this week!
I'm located in central Europe, so I honestly have no idea what's available in Australia. Most bigger HEMA suppliers do ship internationally tho and many have resellers abroad. Cheers!
Honestly, I think wooden wasters have become obsolete for the most part in my eyes. Sure, talking about military swordsmanship, single sticks are an exception and really cool training tools. For all other swords, however, nylon wasters are much better. They are more durable, more flexible, and they don't splinter like wood does.
@@historyandsabre Very true, except for those of us that live in places that still are in the "stone age of HEMA", as they call it. Nylon is sadly not an option sometimes, so I was just wondering if you had any experience.
After doing steel sabre for more than a month now. I disagree on the not having hema pants part. You can get anoying brushes even with a hema pants on if you are being hit multiple times on the back of your leg. So I would not take your advise so quickly.
That's fine. I'm sure I said at some point in the video that if you feel you need more protective gear you can just wear more. I used to wear the heavy SPES Hussar for years but I've since noticed that I personally don't need them.
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ADDENDUM: I forgot to mention the cup for the private parts, male or female. Quite important!
It depends on your plans for the future....;-)
Ok but how do i get that mustache?
Nice Video,
Also the current uploade frequenzy is nearly as glorious as your mustage
Thanks hehe, I'm having a good run right now.
Very subjective, because we all have different levels of risk tolerance, and we spar with different kinds of people. For our small group, for regular sparring with single handed steel swords (sabre, arming sword, broadsword, sidesword, rapier, smallsword) with people we know, whom we can trust and know how they spar and that they are not people who hit pointlessly hard, I use:
Facemask: Vital - damage to eyes both likely and easy, and potentially very harmful. Injury to throat or face less likely but potentially equally damaging.
Gorget: Optional. I don't bother because risk is low enough for me with facemask bib
Back of head: Optional. I don't bother because risk is low enough for me without it. (We rarely get blows to the back of the head and they are invariably pulled when they do occur.)
Jacket: Usually a light jacket (Spes Officer). but sometimes spar without it, and just agree to do so controlled, and in particular without uncontrolled thrusts
Elbow protector: Optional, but probably sensible with cutting weapons as elbows easily damaged and very much in the line of fire. I don't bother if no jacket, obviously.
Forearm protector: Not worth it imo. Hits to forearm hurt but very unlikely to injure significantly.
Gloves: Definitely needed. At least padded leather swordsman's or doorman's gloves (my choice usually, for single handed swords, but there is definitely a risk of very painful blows and even broken fingers or small bones with them). Red Dragon level if you feel the need, but they do very strongly interfere with movement.
Pants: Agree, no need. Leg hits are rare and not particularly dangerous.
Knee & shin protectors: Again, I don't bother.
Box ("cup", for Yanks): None of us bother. Hits to groin very rare, and when they do occur very painful, but very unlikely to do serious injury.
General: "More protection is always wise" - strongly disagree, but this should be a personal choice, and also very much depends whom you are sparring with. For our purposes (sparring in club with known partners who are sensible), I take the view that pain is instructional - we should be very, very keen to avoid getting hit, it's injuries that are to be avoided, and even in regard to injuries the aim is never zero risk but the right level of cost/benefit in terms of risk reduction versus discomfort and impediment.
Sure it's somewhat subjective and you've made that very clear! :)
Thank you! Video is appreciated.
Hi there, this is video is a bit older now, so I'd recommend doing a bit of additional research on today's options.
I am thinking about buying of some stronger protection for hips. just tired of bruises on right hip. And cuts into inside of hip could be very painful.
Yeah that can happen. On that note, I'd also put on more for tournaments aswell. This video basically just covers what I use around the club.
Nice video, awesome mustache.
Thanks!
Mega. Vielen Dank. Genau das was ich gesucht habe. Grüße aus Bayern
Immer gern, kein Problem!
@@historyandsabre jetzt muss ich nur noch einen Verein in der Nähe finden. Ich komme aus der Richtung Kali und Escrima
@@threeoeightwadcutter2820 Aus welcher Gegen kommst du denn in Bayern?
@@historyandsabre Augsburg
@@historyandsabre ich habe schon mal im Netz nach einem Verein geschaut. Den den ich gefunden habe konzentriert sich mehr auf deutsche Fechtschule 16. Jahrhundert
My club doesn't recommend red dragon gloves because you can get hit between finger padding. Sparring glove infinity is said to be better because they have same mobility but are hard.
And then you have the issue of you only being able to use hammer grip if it is a bowl hilt sabre.
Like he said, it's about trade offs, but i think not being able to thumb grip or even handshake grip makes those gloves worthless when training with anything more complex hilted than a D guard
@@therecalcitrantseditionist3613 do you mean red dragons or infinity gloves?
@@onnimannimaki8846 infinity
Have you looked at the hf armory gloves and the white compay gloves?
Nope, but I've just had a look at HF Armory! These look quite similar to the Red Dragons, so I guess they should function about the same.
Couldn't find the White Company gloves, though, do you have a link?
@@historyandsabre You can look up Sergey Volkov on facebook for the White Company gloves. They can only be ordered there. They announced a new model just this week!
Rule no1, buy a red jacket!
Amen. This one understands what it's all about!
Canyou provide a list of contacts for HEMA gear. Can't find anything in Australia. James
Try Faits D'armes. They sell some HEMA gear and from what I've seen, they ship internationally
I'm located in central Europe, so I honestly have no idea what's available in Australia. Most bigger HEMA suppliers do ship internationally tho and many have resellers abroad. Cheers!
My gajardoni challenge jacket is just too bulky and hot for sabre. I really like my spes officee.
Yup, this may sound over the top but I've actually been enjoying fencing more ever since I got rid of my hot longsword jacket.
Ever tried wooden wasters? Could get away with lighter protection, maybe?
Honestly, I think wooden wasters have become obsolete for the most part in my eyes.
Sure, talking about military swordsmanship, single sticks are an exception and really cool training tools.
For all other swords, however, nylon wasters are much better. They are more durable, more flexible, and they don't splinter like wood does.
@@historyandsabre Very true, except for those of us that live in places that still are in the "stone age of HEMA", as they call it. Nylon is sadly not an option sometimes, so I was just wondering if you had any experience.
I see! In that case I can't be of much help I'm afraid.
I prefer gajardoni gloves
After doing steel sabre for more than a month now. I disagree on the not having hema pants part.
You can get anoying brushes even with a hema pants on if you are being hit multiple times on the back of your leg. So I would not take your advise so quickly.
That's fine. I'm sure I said at some point in the video that if you feel you need more protective gear you can just wear more. I used to wear the heavy SPES Hussar for years but I've since noticed that I personally don't need them.