@@PyhisPahis not even just that, most people don’t want to spend beyond 600 for a pc. You can get a perfectly capable 1440p gaming experience with that money.
@@PyhisPahis yes, but a lot of people do have the money. They just do not want to spend more on a pc than what they will get out of it. I consider my 5700 xt and ryzen 5 3500 to be a good tier of gaming computer but most people like this RUclipsr would scoff at that idea.
Did you even watch the video? It gives a short to the point explanation of why it is dead in terms of future proofing, he didn’t say it is a platform no longer supported or viable.
@@stickman2012 so true i recently upgraded from i3 6th gen to i7 8th gen nd bought a a 1660 and when i play games its pretty obv tht i7 8700k can compete with gpus like 2060 super or 2080 ti
@g8xe5gl6e I bought my 500 watt power supply in a time when GPU TDP was under 200 watts. I mean I used to have a 750ti. Now everything is power hungry. The meta-card is the 6700xt but I don't have the wattage. Do I feel like getting another PSU just for a GPU upgrade? Nah. So I'm stuck with the very efficient 4060. Am I happy? Yea. I don't play a ton of new 2023 titles anyways.
Yeah ngl, I just upgraded to a 5800x3d to get the absolute best my mobo can do. its gonna be my cpu for the NEXT 4 to 5 years after my previous 2600 or 3600 (dont recall at the time)
This is different. AM4 still has amazing processors, but in terms of PC building, a dead platform is simply a socket that won't see any new releases. This isn't the same as when no one plays a game anymore, and they call it a dead game.
@@Pile_of_Rats Lmao I too just upgraded to a 5800X3D from a 2600. With this CPU I can be sure I'm getting the best performance out of my new RX 7700 XT
For real tho, I keep thinking i need to upgrade , and then i get on warzone and average 300plus fps on my 240hz oled ... 5800x3d will last me another couple years@@styx15
@im_Carlisle I'm in University, but yeah, I don't have this PC on all day every day. There are some days where I dont even turn it on at all. I also have a really good cpu cooler and good fans keeping it cool. I think I'm taking good care of it.
I think he's talking to the yearly upgraders, but he's too deep into this crowd he doesn't realize the average person doesn't need to consider the socket.
Really, I'm gonna last with my i5 8500 for at least another 3 years and I got it in 2018. Games just don't have those jumps in hardware limitations like they used to, and they probably wont ever again. If you build a decent PC now, if it doesn't break it will last you for the next 10 years at least. I could bet money that a 7600x/7800xt combo will still be great for 1440p gaming even in 2040 lol.
I dont want to go to AM5. It's too expensive. My Ryzen 9 5950X is still a beast and I can play with my RX 7900XTX and 64 GB of RAM everything. No need to upgrade my system in the next years. AM4 still rocks
@@filiphedman4392 I will go with my Ryzen 9 5950X for many years, maybe 10 years....maybe my GPU will get an upgrade after a few years. Overall I love this system and there is no need for an upgrade.
Just built a Ryzen 9 5900x with 128GB but only have a rx 6600 xt. I do more tasks than gaming though. Definitely upgrading the gpu but waiting for next gen to drop so prices go down on 7900xt
@@Kyle.BadOmens I need and I bought the Ryzen 9 5950X with the RX 7900XTX. I have a good AM4 Asus ROG Motherboard and 64 GB of RAM. So I will still use this. AM5 ist too expensive for me and I must buy a new Motherboard and RAM. I will use AM4 a few more years. It is still a powerful platform.
Li'l bro talking about am4 like an ancient device from the 1800s 💀 )Pls stop spamming me with replies saying "yes it's dead" no shit Sherlock ik its dead but ZTT is saying it can't run anything)
@@krisvaras7801 yeah my main rig is still an i7 7700k, man what a bad time to buy it then , outdated about 3-4 months later.. in the past month though my best friend upgraded his 3070ti to a 7900xtx and gave me the 3070ti for free.. and im coming from a 1080ti so pretty decent upgrade.. sometimes the 8gb vram gets in the way though..
@@fuzzymuppet1990 If you'd gone with a ryzen 1700x or 1800x instead, you could have dropped a 5800x3d in it last year and still been top notch gaming for the next 3-4 years. That's the point, don't buy into end of life sockets.
It only if u "want" to upgrade in the future, it better for it to be suit for the future upgrade, not all people upgrade often, so depends on the person
Man, am4 is not even dead yet in his explanation! Amd is releasing a new r7 5700x3d and r5 5500x3d look them up on google the release date is 2024. Im looking up on his channel 90% of his shorts are completely misinformation and rage baits!!
does he do that in longform videos or the like, because I've never seen such a thing in the shorts I stumble into. That noted, the advice on sockets is still valid.
Regular people. Just go buy whatever you cab afford at the moment. For enthusiasts sure you can have "future proofing." But for the regular gamer? Yeah most people just change their entire thing every 5 or 7 years
@RexOedipus. I mean I "future proofed" on AM4. 5800x3D 32GB 3200 Ram (could be faster but I only game so it wasn't *that* important to me 2080 4TB NVME. I'm gonna see this out until AM5 is on its last Gen CPU then do the same. Just cause it's not the best doesn't mean it isn't good.
I’m rocking a 4 year old laptop with an i7-9750h and a 1660Ti… I can’t simply upgrade my MOBO, CPU and RAM 🤣🤣🤣 whole new system for me, which is why I’m going to be building an AM5 system this year
There is so much effort in getting the thing running that there is no point in doing other work on it. DDR4 should be cheap now, being a bit behind the price hump is nice.
"Discontinue" is the right word bro. Me with my i7 4790k going to upgrade to Ryzen 5 5600 in 2025. Rich people won't understand until they step on our shoes.. don't care if it's am4 is dead. Its a big jump for me.. my broke ass won't be able to buy am5 in 2025 maybe 2030. Living in a rich and wealthy country is a fortune i tell you that.. good for you brother
Im still on qn i7 8700k and its staying strong. When I get my 13700k I won't be upgrading for another 5 years. Perhaps I might get the i9 14900ks in a few years with a 4090.
While correct in principle, you also need to consider how likely you are to upgrade only the CPU in the next 2-3 years and whether the additional performance & future proofing are worth the additional total cost (CPU+MB+RAM+PSU).
100%. It's reasonable to think that you can buy a higher end AM4 socket system since people are ditching it for AM5 and then wait out AM5 for AM6 generation hardware.
@@Pringlesman right but not every one looks at it like that. I know people with old ass IBM systems that think them systems should still be usable just because they still work. maybe for use with the old software sure it wont work on the new stuff so yep. but you need new stuff to use new stuff.
@@Keviniscool65 other than western hemisphere, other world countries still use intel 2. gen because it provides well. not everyone needs a gaming beast that consumes more watt than a high end gpu constantly
And this is the difference between having an upgrade path and being future proof, get that x3d my friend and enjoy a few more years of fun with your system :)
There’s a new x3d chip coming out for am4, it won’t be taking advantage of the faster memory speeds on the am5 socket type, though memory speed might not always matter if you aren’t doing like intense gaming
@@ProfShikari I don’t do much now a days mostly just browsing the web, I only play a handful of games at a time or with my girlfriend. Giving my lil bro my current cpu so he can dip his toes into pc gaming/building pc’s.
I keep around a Core 2 duo PC to run older XP programs and it still works pretty well. Just for the hell of it I installed Windows 10 and a modded Windows 11 that ignores the minimum hardware requirements and they both ran fine with Core 2. I'm not gaming on them but still. I found out that Windows 10 32 bit on newer hardware will run some of the older XP programs great so that is a option. The Core 2 systems are faster than the AM2+ systems that I tried.
7600 + curve optimiser + 103bclk + stable 6200 cl30 and tight timings gets very close to 7800x3d unless you use a 4090 in 1080p in old games and no one would do that.
Wrong wording, it's not dead, it's a dead end socket, it ends with Ryzen 5000. AMD supported socket AM4 for a whopping 4 generations and now 6 years with the upcoming 5000XT series CPU's. Intel is notorious for doing this for just 1-2 generations, and sometimes within a single year.
No. Wrong. AM4 is still perfectly viable because it is dirt cheap these days now that AM5 is out. Generation over generation CPU/RAM performance in only marginal at best, which means that a cheap AM4 still kicks your furry little AM5 butt and will continue to do so for a very long time. AM4 is not dead. It is a fantastic bargain!
It will stay alive alot longer than that. AM4 housing almost double digit numbers on AM4 and that really is a huge reason why AMD cpus were soooo much more popular. You saved money buy not having to upgreade ur mobo every time or two like you would on the Intel side if u wanted meaningful upgrades. I think there wil atleast be 4-5 gens on AM5, for reference, AM4 had 8.
@@BearBlairam4 did not have 8, where you get that from? I count 4 and a 5th if you stretch and not necessarily needing a new board, often you did anyway, is a very minor factor with them becoming more popular
@@nostrum6410 AM4 housed Bristol Ridge, Summit Ridge Raven Ridge, Pinnacle Ridge, Picasso, Matisse, Renoir, Vermeer, & 2 Genoa CPUs that got announced at CES 24' just a few weeks ago. That's actually 9 gens.. Google is free my friend.
'Dead' just means 'no more new chips', not 'it's useless now'. (Although AMD just might put out a few more, they just did with the 5700x3d.) The top chips on AM4 give plenty of performance. You can easily skip AM5 altogether. That's what I'm doing. You'll be fine.
Eh dont bother. If it took you this long to get to am4 it would probably be am7 before you'd seitch anyways. Remember. Enthusiasts are not the average gamer. They care nore about aesthetics and having the biggest numbered components than just using the bloody thing
@@paulie_tremolo my bad. What I mean is that there is no room to upgrade to anything on AM5. And if you have 2700 it would still be better bet to upgrade to AM5 and ryzen 7 cpu. Though you still can buy an AM4 one if you want
I feel this pain. I built an AM4 system a month before AM5 was announced. And now to upgrade my CPU which will be needed in the next few months is going to run me like a grand for what I need.
The thing is for many of us "dead" means not at all usable anymore. AM4 is still running well so many of us don't call it dead yet. Intel 8th gen is dead 12th gen is not.
Hell I'm still running a 10700k on an LGA1200 socket and it's still got years of life left. Granted my next CPU upgrade will require a MOBO and socket upgrade but to say dont purchase "dead" sockets is ridiculous. CPU manufacturers are pushing out new gens before the old gens are obsolete. You can get a lot of bang for your buck out of an AM4 or LGA1700 socket. I cant say this dude is giving good advice.
It's nice to hear a unique perspective on this. I can't say I agree with this exact take but I do personally find that supporting upgrades is an undervalued consideration when buying a PC. Most people tend to buy a PC and replace the entire thing after giving it 0 maintenance for a few years and this is very wasteful. Computers can easily last decades if taken care of well and occasionally fixed up and yet so often a couple years seems to be all people aim for, it's disappointing to see such a short path to landfill for little reason. Sure, I don't expect people to hold onto computers for decades but leaving room for increasing ram and swapping out the CPU can add years of comfortable usability. It's cheaper in the long run as well as less wasteful
Same, the advice in this video isn’t really good imo. I got a 13700k for a wicked deal and that’ll last me 5 years. Who the hell upgrades their cpu within 2-3 years?
Just built an am4 build, but I move out in roughly 4 years and my pc won’t be much use to me in the college I want to go to (usafa) so hopefully am4 will still get support from amd for at least 4 years
I just bought a AM4 Ryzen 7 5700g and they are selling like hot cakes. There are still tens of millions of people using am3. There is no reason to buy am5 board right now because you can get a good am4 cpu that will meet or exceed all game expectations. In a few years from now when am5 cpu have dropped in price and there is an advancement in gen 5 hardware, maybe then it will be worth buying am5 board. Until then, am4 is doing just fine.
Have you ever done a poll regarding what your viewer base actually does with their rigs? Myself and many other hobbyist PC enjoyers I know never have to worry about socket future proofing because we're not consistently replacing these parts. By the time we upgrade, we need a new socket anyway. I'm happy enough to be in the minority if that's the case, but if the majority of your viewers are like me and my friends, perhaps this shouldn't be as big of a consideration as you're giving it
Not all of us have the money to sustain top of the line, I'm still using a above average range gaming PC from 2016, it's got an i5 but i still casually game on it with ease. Any computer that still works and does it's job doesn't need to be replaced.
Not gonna lie, allocate more to a builds budget and it'll outlast any socket lifespan. My first custom build was an i7 6700k, lasted 6 years and replaced it with the 12600k.
I'm always an entire Gen behind due to lack of PC budget. I was running an old AMD FX - 8350 and a gt1030 for a while, then upgraded to a I7 7700k and gtx 1080ti 2 years ago. Now I'm finally upgrading to a Ryzen 7 5800x and will probably keep it that way for a couple years until all this "new" stuff becomes "dead".
It's a valid point. IF someone has the budget you should preffer AM5, but there so many good deals for new or even used AM4 stuff, so its a good option for budget setups or something else. I've upgraded from my old 9th Gen i7 to a AMD 5900X and couldn't be happier. When I Upgraded AM5 was really new and very expensive, but my AM4 hardware will be good for at least 3-5 years. Good explanation tho, but a small note that am4 is a good buy if your shopping on a budget or looking for used stuff.
Honestly, I have always heard this argument and mostly followed it, but I didn't ever actually upgrade a CPU. By the time the CPU is not potent enough for gaming any more, there will be new generations with new sockets.
I got into am4 early, and am finally upgrading to the 5700x3d after getting the 7900gre and needing the headroom that my 3600 didn't offer. My single am4 board and kit of ram has saved me over $400 in ram and motherboards over a few upgrades and this latest one will last me for a few years at least.
Upgradeability is an important consideration. I bought my LGA-1700 mobo last year even though I know it would be superceded in a couple of years, but it's what I wanted at that time, and I don't plan to upgrade for at least 5 years. But if you are only considering an upgrade, waiting another year for the latest and greatest [budget allowing] isn't a bad idea either.
Future proofing is a luxury. Most of us can't afford it. I built my PC a year ago with AM4, and I have limited options for upgrading, but I get to keep eating with a roof above my head and also play games.
As person who are not going to upgrade for every cpu release, i think am4 is still alive, the last gen cpu of am4 is probably still gonna last for 10 years.
One thing you didn't mention is how new motherboards support new features for processors that older motherboards don't. It's always a good idea to update the motherboard with the cpu. This happened with the jump from amd 2000 to 3000 cpu's. 3000 series had pcie4.0 where as 2000 series had 3.0. You could update the bios to support 3000 series on your current motherboard but you didn't get pcie4.0 support.
Personally I've never bothered with this idea. It seemed cool back during the Super Socket 7 era. But then it turned out to be by and large pointless. Not to mention that I've seen quite a few AM4 motherboards with 300 and 400 series chipsets on them, that never got the BIOS updates for Zen 3 or even Zen 2. At which point you're still stuck with a motherboard you need to replace. Also in my experience it never mattered anyway. My Applebred Duron (S462) didn't fit in the SuperSocket7 board my K6-3 was in. My Palermo Sempron used S754. My Q6600 used S775, 3570K was on S1155 and my current 11400 is on S1200. Some times the RAM would carry over, most of the time the GPU would carry over. But I never bother with hoping my motherboard will outlast my CPU. Unless you expect to upgrade every 3 years or so, it's an irrelevant consideration. Even now if I want more CPU than my 11400, an 11900K costs less than 250 euro. Which is a pretty damn good CPU at that price. For me the primary requirement of a motherboard is that it offers the features and aesthetics I want for the foreseeable future. Not what my hopes and dreams are for say 10 years from now. Just buy a CPU that runs circles around current gen consoles and a GPU to match and you're basically set for most mainstream games until a few years into the next console generation.
You can game in 1080p at wellll over 60fps with am4 and a 3060, and that is plenty to fulfill most people's desire when it comes to gaming. To say that AM4 is dead, is to say that there's no point to owning a car from the 70's. Yes the manufacturer no longer makes parts for the car, but the car is cheaper, it's reliable, you can still work on the car (less relevant but valid), the culture around the car is positive, and there is a community of compatibility when it comes to aftermarket.
I have a 3700x and im ready for an upgrade, but the thought of having to get a new motherboard is so daunting. I got a prebuilt as my first pc years ago when that and the 2070ti where both the new gen. I already upgraded my gpu when i found a steal for a 3080ti, but now my cpu is pretty outclassed. Gonna wait for the 9000 series, hopefully gonna be a great cpu in that group.
I build my PC's to perform strongly at their intended resolution target until whenever I feel like building a whole new PC, without the need to ever upgrade any of the components between builds. My late-2019 3700X 32GB 1660Ti 1080p build is still going strong today over 4 years later.
He's no wrong but if you're already planning on going used market then am4 is your best friend. Still the best value you'll ever get rn and still have headroom to go up to 16 cores. Just don't get anything lower than b550 or x570 by now because of pcie gen 4 and higher quality boards than the old b350 b450 and the respective X series boards
I went with AM5 for my latest PC. Up from the 5800X to the 7800X3d, however given the 5800X is still a powerhouse, I used the old AM4 stuff for another system that I gave to my brother.
I just built a new rig with all "5" support (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 5). My buddies were rolling their eyes and scoffing about my ridiculousness over future-proofing, but this is exactly why I paid more money now, so I can easily upgrade later. 🧠
Its Not dead - its in retirement. To make a Sports metaphor: A senior athlete that is fit can beat you in their category of choice. But it will most likely not outcompete younger athletes under normal conditions.
I get it that this is an valid tip dor people that work with PCs in a professional environment where you can get benefits from such an upgrade. But i am firmly believing that you will be better off to just buy a very highend system and then upgrade when the features that cant be supported on your current platform got released. I upgrade my cpu and mainboard (most likely RAM too) every 4-6 years. Going from PCIe 4 -> 5 DDR4 -> DDR5 NVME 3 -> 4 (one 5.0 slot is available too) If you are really on a budget all the time then i get it. But its like the old story a bit where the one without money has to buy work shoes every year while the richer one can buy more expensive ones that last much longer. In the end you can pay more by upgrading frequently instead of waiting 1-2 months to save up a bit more.
"if you have the budget"
Who's gonna tell him?
we're all broke. there, I said it
@@PyhisPahis not even just that, most people don’t want to spend beyond 600 for a pc. You can get a perfectly capable 1440p gaming experience with that money.
@@donaldtrumplover2254 when you live from paycheck to paycheck it's not that easy to set aside money for a new PC
@@PyhisPahis yes, but a lot of people do have the money. They just do not want to spend more on a pc than what they will get out of it. I consider my 5700 xt and ryzen 5 3500 to be a good tier of gaming computer but most people like this RUclipsr would scoff at that idea.
@@donaldtrumplover2254 this RUclipsr always recommends the 5700xt for used graphic cards..
If AM4 is dead, i'm a f@cking zombie
Were in a technological revolution.
Bro didnt watch the video
Did you even watch the video? It gives a short to the point explanation of why it is dead in terms of future proofing, he didn’t say it is a platform no longer supported or viable.
@@ProfShikari guys, just sarcasm, relax hahahah
@@ProfShikari bro he is just joking
Let's be real, the upgrade is always the GPU, and by the time you have to replace the CPU, it's an entire upgrade of the entire setup.
True story.
@@stickman2012 so true i recently upgraded from i3 6th gen to i7 8th gen nd bought a a 1660 and when i play games its pretty obv tht i7 8700k can compete with gpus like 2060 super or 2080 ti
@g8xe5gl6e I bought my 500 watt power supply in a time when GPU TDP was under 200 watts. I mean I used to have a 750ti. Now everything is power hungry. The meta-card is the 6700xt but I don't have the wattage. Do I feel like getting another PSU just for a GPU upgrade? Nah. So I'm stuck with the very efficient 4060. Am I happy? Yea. I don't play a ton of new 2023 titles anyways.
Depends on the games you use it for. Stuff I play is completely cpu bound
1000% facts
Ok let's be real, IT'S NOT DEAD until the CPU can't handle modern games or can't be useful at all, so AM4 will last at least 10 years more.
Yeah ngl, I just upgraded to a 5800x3d to get the absolute best my mobo can do. its gonna be my cpu for the NEXT 4 to 5 years after my previous 2600 or 3600 (dont recall at the time)
@Pile_of_Rats I just upgraded from a 3500 to the same chip, very nice.
This is different. AM4 still has amazing processors, but in terms of PC building, a dead platform is simply a socket that won't see any new releases. This isn't the same as when no one plays a game anymore, and they call it a dead game.
@@Pile_of_Rats Lmao I too just upgraded to a 5800X3D from a 2600. With this CPU I can be sure I'm getting the best performance out of my new RX 7700 XT
Meanwhile me with Athlon X4 860k on fm2+ socket 🙃
And then the 5800X3D enters the room with his younger brother 5600X3D. "We aint dead. We just getting started."
And the 5700x3d came out like 3 weeks ago 😅
It's insane how the 5800x3d is matching the 7950x3d and 7800x3d in games, just shows how GOATed it is.
@@GamerTagEquiflux Wait WHAT!?
Ave AMD! Ole ole ole, AMD AMD!
For real tho, I keep thinking i need to upgrade
, and then i get on warzone and average 300plus fps on my 240hz oled ... 5800x3d will last me another couple years@@styx15
@@styx155800X3d is 20% slower than 7800x3d.
I've had a Ryzen 7 5800x3D for about a year now and i think i'll last me at least 3 more years. That CPU is a beast
Probably will dure more depending on your needs
@im_Carlisle I don't play games every day, sometimes I just have it on to do homework and such.
@im_Carlisle I'm in University, but yeah, I don't have this PC on all day every day. There are some days where I dont even turn it on at all. I also have a really good cpu cooler and good fans keeping it cool. I think I'm taking good care of it.
yo I've 5800X, not 3d cuz Im not into gaming and bought it on 2 Jan..
@im_Carlisle computer components are designed to run at max load 24/7, your CPU does not need a rest.
Most people do not even change their CPU in 5 years so the socket is most of the times pointless
I think he's talking to the yearly upgraders, but he's too deep into this crowd he doesn't realize the average person doesn't need to consider the socket.
I didn't change my entire pc for 9 years, had to when gpu and cpu died last year.
My ivy bridge & rx550 still alive.
Really, I'm gonna last with my i5 8500 for at least another 3 years and I got it in 2018. Games just don't have those jumps in hardware limitations like they used to, and they probably wont ever again. If you build a decent PC now, if it doesn't break it will last you for the next 10 years at least. I could bet money that a 7600x/7800xt combo will still be great for 1440p gaming even in 2040 lol.
I've had the same AMD Phenom processor on AMD3 for 15 years now.
Very informative. Always out here with the great explain around and tips. Thanks ZTT
He has helped
Me a lot
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I dont want to go to AM5. It's too expensive. My Ryzen 9 5950X is still a beast and I can play with my RX 7900XTX and 64 GB of RAM everything. No need to upgrade my system in the next years. AM4 still rocks
You can use that CPU for another 10 years.
@@filiphedman4392 I will go with my Ryzen 9 5950X for many years, maybe 10 years....maybe my GPU will get an upgrade after a few years. Overall I love this system and there is no need for an upgrade.
Just built a Ryzen 9 5900x with 128GB but only have a rx 6600 xt. I do more tasks than gaming though. Definitely upgrading the gpu but waiting for next gen to drop so prices go down on 7900xt
Just don’t upgrade if you don’t need to is the best advice
@@Kyle.BadOmens I need and I bought the Ryzen 9 5950X with the RX 7900XTX. I have a good AM4 Asus ROG Motherboard and 64 GB of RAM. So I will still use this. AM5 ist too expensive for me and I must buy a new Motherboard and RAM. I will use AM4 a few more years. It is still a powerful platform.
If am4 is dead now, then lga1700 was dead on it's launch😂😂
Seriously that was a bad era for intel
there were two more gens of cpus after lga1700 came out
@@hartle4 two more gens which had no differences?
@@thegfd1531 there is a difference i have ran system with 12 series and 14 series cpu, they are not the same only AMD fanbois say that
@@hartle4 what differences do they have? More micro cores?
I used my last CPU for 8.5 years. I think my 5800x is enough for a while 😂
Here's a slice of cake. That's not the point of this video, my friend
Thank you for not being a mindless consumer and upgrading every gen or every other gen!!!
I'm still on 3700x lol
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@ressferrer8530 "slice of cake" 💀💀
Li'l bro talking about am4 like an ancient device from the 1800s 💀
)Pls stop spamming me with replies saying "yes it's dead" no shit Sherlock ik its dead but ZTT is saying it can't run anything)
it pretty much is
@@alonymelony8047 me still rocking a gt 1030 and an fm2 cpu:
@@tdsnoob3865 may your fps be many and your L's few
it is reeetard
@@alonymelony8047 Fortunately the days when you had to upgrade your system every year to maintain playable fps even on new games are long gone.
I always had this opinion, but in reality, I never managed to once upgrade before a socket refresh in 30 years lol
Same, I’ve always build on endgame CPUs and their socket.
i like this comment, i have always ended up building PCs at the sockets deathbed lol oh well
@@krisvaras7801 yeah my main rig is still an i7 7700k, man what a bad time to buy it then , outdated about 3-4 months later.. in the past month though my best friend upgraded his 3070ti to a 7900xtx and gave me the 3070ti for free.. and im coming from a 1080ti so pretty decent upgrade.. sometimes the 8gb vram gets in the way though..
@@krisvaras7801 man to think I built a full rig with an i7 and a 1080ti which were top of the line parts at the time, for 1200 new
@@fuzzymuppet1990 If you'd gone with a ryzen 1700x or 1800x instead, you could have dropped a 5800x3d in it last year and still been top notch gaming for the next 3-4 years. That's the point, don't buy into end of life sockets.
My FX 4100 peepin out from the corner to watch this 💀
There there it's okay *pat pat*
🥲
Hows that ole girl doing? what cooler you got slapped on that smoking ass?
I don't like treating tech like fast fashion. It dies when it can no longer do its job, not when it isn't the newest thing.
"Don't buy current gen tech, because the next gen is a few months away"😂😂😂😂
It only if u "want" to upgrade in the future, it better for it to be suit for the future upgrade, not all people upgrade often, so depends on the person
Like he said, "if u have budget"it just to spend less money in the future upgrade, so depends on your budget👍
am5 has been out for a year and a half or so now lol
Nah, its good, lots of discount bro, never buying new tech immediatelly
@@Kizu-yu7ko that argument only matters if as you said people plan on upgrading most people do not upgrade just their processor most of the time.
Reminder that he advertises shady antivirus companies without disclosing it as an ad.
What?
Man, am4 is not even dead yet in his explanation! Amd is releasing a new r7 5700x3d and r5 5500x3d look them up on google the release date is 2024. Im looking up on his channel 90% of his shorts are completely misinformation and rage baits!!
@@ProfShikari yeah it's pretty fckin bad.
does he do that in longform videos or the like, because I've never seen such a thing in the shorts I stumble into.
That noted, the advice on sockets is still valid.
I’ve never seen it either. What antivirus is it?
If 5 years later I am buying another expensive CPU, I don't mind buying a new motherboard and Ram.
Regular people. Just go buy whatever you cab afford at the moment. For enthusiasts sure you can have "future proofing." But for the regular gamer? Yeah most people just change their entire thing every 5 or 7 years
@RexOedipus. I mean I "future proofed" on AM4.
5800x3D
32GB 3200 Ram (could be faster but I only game so it wasn't *that* important to me
2080
4TB NVME.
I'm gonna see this out until AM5 is on its last Gen CPU then do the same. Just cause it's not the best doesn't mean it isn't good.
I’m rocking a 4 year old laptop with an i7-9750h and a 1660Ti… I can’t simply upgrade my MOBO, CPU and RAM 🤣🤣🤣 whole new system for me, which is why I’m going to be building an AM5 system this year
@@SadMarinersFanalso depend on what you play,if you only play at lower reso,your setup could potentially last till the first-mid gen of am6
There is so much effort in getting the thing running that there is no point in doing other work on it. DDR4 should be cheap now, being a bit behind the price hump is nice.
"Discontinue" is the right word bro.
Me with my i7 4790k going to upgrade to Ryzen 5 5600 in 2025. Rich people won't understand until they step on our shoes.. don't care if it's am4 is dead. Its a big jump for me.. my broke ass won't be able to buy am5 in 2025 maybe 2030. Living in a rich and wealthy country is a fortune i tell you that.. good for you brother
“Am4 is dead” thumbnail shows LGA1700 Socket lol
Lga1700 is the same, it supports up to a i9 14900k, which is good with a 4090, so it could still be good for the next couple of hears
Not until the 15600k beats it in every way
@@Riyozsuthat doesnt mean its going to be immediately terrible, not being the best doesnt make it the worst
Im still on qn i7 8700k and its staying strong. When I get my 13700k I won't be upgrading for another 5 years. Perhaps I might get the i9 14900ks in a few years with a 4090.
Yes, but if you want to go to further generations, like 15th, 16th, 17th gen, there are no more generations on the socket.
@@TBTornado i know, but I don't care about the latest and greatest.
While correct in principle, you also need to consider how likely you are to upgrade only the CPU in the next 2-3 years and whether the additional performance & future proofing are worth the additional total cost (CPU+MB+RAM+PSU).
100%. It's reasonable to think that you can buy a higher end AM4 socket system since people are ditching it for AM5 and then wait out AM5 for AM6 generation hardware.
@@Pringlesman right but not every one looks at it like that. I know people with old ass IBM systems that think them systems should still be usable just because they still work. maybe for use with the old software sure it wont work on the new stuff so yep. but you need new stuff to use new stuff.
*Ddr3 is still used widely in the Philippines! I3 2nd gen still running in shops!*
bro ya'll just broke 1d11111ots
Ain’t no way y’all are still on ddr3 ddr6 is abt to drop
@@Keviniscool65 other than western hemisphere, other world countries still use intel 2. gen because it provides well. not everyone needs a gaming beast that consumes more watt than a high end gpu constantly
@@Keviniscool65The world doesn't revolve around you people
@@abanana2859skill issue, get your money up.
DDR5/AM5 is still too pricey at this point
There's something really important you missed. In the third world, we ain't making an am5 build until 2027 tbh
this advice would be fine, if it didnt involve less performance now, unfortunately it does. 5800x3d makes far more sense for pretty much the same cost
I’m on AM4 still going to buy an X3D as an upgrade should last me couple more years 😅
And this is the difference between having an upgrade path and being future proof, get that x3d my friend and enjoy a few more years of fun with your system :)
There’s a new x3d chip coming out for am4, it won’t be taking advantage of the faster memory speeds on the am5 socket type, though memory speed might not always matter if you aren’t doing like intense gaming
@@JermaineJJ97 it’s also not going to be as powerful as the 5800x3d
@@JermaineJJ97 yeah I plan on buying a 5700x3D. I just don’t feel like buying a new mobo and ram
@@ProfShikari I don’t do much now a days mostly just browsing the web, I only play a handful of games at a time or with my girlfriend. Giving my lil bro my current cpu so he can dip his toes into pc gaming/building pc’s.
Yeah but getting a new cpu is a pain honestly so long as you're satisfied with the performance just stick to the budget
Intel: your socket is the same pin but it doesn't support anything else
I'd really figure it isn't dead yet because AMD is still releasing new CPUs on it.
futureproofing is a fools errand, he runs a prebuilt company, he just wants you to purchase the new stock.
100%. Replacing a cpu every generation while also claiming future proofing is idiotic.
Dude I still run a Core 2 Duo. Our family just went broke after my father was paralyzed from neck down. That's unfortunate but I'm good with my pc. 😊
Most "oh no! Anyways" I have ever seen in youtube
That’s sad to hear. I wish you and your family the best.
No insurance? Core 2 Duo is about to get nerfed by Windows.
I keep around a Core 2 duo PC to run older XP programs and it still works pretty well. Just for the hell of it I installed Windows 10 and a modded Windows 11 that ignores the minimum hardware requirements and they both ran fine with Core 2. I'm not gaming on them but still. I found out that Windows 10 32 bit on newer hardware will run some of the older XP programs great so that is a option. The Core 2 systems are faster than the AM2+ systems that I tried.
my laptop is a i7 first gen i'm going to get a used I9 8th gen laptop no point in buying the latest
Bro forgot to recommend ryzen 5 7600 this time🌝
And forgot to recommend rx 6700 xt🌝
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7600 + curve optimiser + 103bclk + stable 6200 cl30 and tight timings gets very close to 7800x3d unless you use a 4090 in 1080p in old games and no one would do that.
Wrong wording, it's not dead, it's a dead end socket, it ends with Ryzen 5000. AMD supported socket AM4 for a whopping 4 generations and now 6 years with the upcoming 5000XT series CPU's.
Intel is notorious for doing this for just 1-2 generations, and sometimes within a single year.
I was on am3+ for 10 years, I'm pretty sure my am4 build will last me at least 10 years too. And both my builds were around $350
No. Wrong. AM4 is still perfectly viable because it is dirt cheap these days now that AM5 is out. Generation over generation CPU/RAM performance in only marginal at best, which means that a cheap AM4 still kicks your furry little AM5 butt and will continue to do so for a very long time. AM4 is not dead. It is a fantastic bargain!
"Dead". Quotations matter.
Bro didn't watch the video
Bruh this is a clown comment.
Yeah it's nice to be able to get a decent motherboard for less than $300 unlike pretty much every other playform
Bro am4 is good but will not be as good. And technically am4 is dead as they wont release another cpu for it. That is what dead platform means.
I upgraded to am5 last year so hopefully it stays alive for 3 generations, hoping til the 9000 series cpus
It will stay alive alot longer than that. AM4 housing almost double digit numbers on AM4 and that really is a huge reason why AMD cpus were soooo much more popular. You saved money buy not having to upgreade ur mobo every time or two like you would on the Intel side if u wanted meaningful upgrades. I think there wil atleast be 4-5 gens on AM5, for reference, AM4 had 8.
it should since amd said am5 is being supported for 2 to 3 years
9000 would be 2 generations, even old school intel gave you 2 gens
@@BearBlairam4 did not have 8, where you get that from? I count 4 and a 5th if you stretch
and not necessarily needing a new board, often you did anyway, is a very minor factor with them becoming more popular
@@nostrum6410 AM4 housed Bristol Ridge, Summit Ridge Raven Ridge, Pinnacle Ridge, Picasso, Matisse, Renoir, Vermeer, & 2 Genoa CPUs that got announced at CES 24' just a few weeks ago. That's actually 9 gens.. Google is free my friend.
Legendary AM4 💪
Who's here after computex after AMD announced they are still supporting AM4 😂😂😂
Me with my 1150 socket z97 mobo and 4790k I had since 2014 grabbing popcorn 🗿
I had my i7 2600k from 2011 to 2019, switched to R5 3600 then and will probably use it for a few more years
I love how I see these videos a few months after I buy an am4 cpu and motherboard
'Dead' just means 'no more new chips', not 'it's useless now'. (Although AMD just might put out a few more, they just did with the 5700x3d.) The top chips on AM4 give plenty of performance. You can easily skip AM5 altogether. That's what I'm doing. You'll be fine.
Eh dont bother. If it took you this long to get to am4 it would probably be am7 before you'd seitch anyways. Remember. Enthusiasts are not the average gamer. They care nore about aesthetics and having the biggest numbered components than just using the bloody thing
its all good bro, i just build r5 5600 last christmas
Same here but i dont mind. Am4 platform is dirt cheap right now, and i dont do heavy gaming.
Same i got my am4 last year sept.
Only bad part about AM4 is that there's no room left for future upgrades. Otherwise it's still alive and provides good performance
Lots of generations on AM4 depending on where you started.
are you saying there's no way I can upgrade my 2700x while keeping the same mobo & memory? 🤔
@@paulie_tremolo my bad. What I mean is that there is no room to upgrade to anything on AM5. And if you have 2700 it would still be better bet to upgrade to AM5 and ryzen 7 cpu. Though you still can buy an AM4 one if you want
@@bobanfrombangladesh might be better, but if low on cash I'll take that 5700x all day over also buying a new mobo and ddr5 memory.
@@paulie_tremoloI would just get the 5800X3D or 5700X3D and call it a day if I were you.
I feel this pain. I built an AM4 system a month before AM5 was announced. And now to upgrade my CPU which will be needed in the next few months is going to run me like a grand for what I need.
The thing is for many of us
"dead" means not at all usable anymore.
AM4 is still running well so many of us don't call it dead yet.
Intel 8th gen is dead 12th gen is not.
I am still using my old good ryzen 3 3200g to this day
just upgraded from 1600 to 5800x3d and it's awesome, but damn it runs hot
That's the other thing. Upgrading usually means it can still be used for something else.
Very good explanation. My short temper does not have the patience to explain it this way and I end up throwing a tantrum and taking a nap. 😅
Ahh boo AM4 isn’t dead. If you’re gaming, there are PLENTY AM4 socket cpus that will last I would think until at least 2027-2028.
Hell I'm still running a 10700k on an LGA1200 socket and it's still got years of life left. Granted my next CPU upgrade will require a MOBO and socket upgrade but to say dont purchase "dead" sockets is ridiculous. CPU manufacturers are pushing out new gens before the old gens are obsolete. You can get a lot of bang for your buck out of an AM4 or LGA1700 socket. I cant say this dude is giving good advice.
It's nice to hear a unique perspective on this. I can't say I agree with this exact take but I do personally find that supporting upgrades is an undervalued consideration when buying a PC. Most people tend to buy a PC and replace the entire thing after giving it 0 maintenance for a few years and this is very wasteful. Computers can easily last decades if taken care of well and occasionally fixed up and yet so often a couple years seems to be all people aim for, it's disappointing to see such a short path to landfill for little reason. Sure, I don't expect people to hold onto computers for decades but leaving room for increasing ram and swapping out the CPU can add years of comfortable usability. It's cheaper in the long run as well as less wasteful
lol. I’d upgrade like every 5 years
Exact same with me. By the time I get to upgrading I'd be replacing half the computer by that time anyway.
@@matro2 yep
Same, the advice in this video isn’t really good imo. I got a 13700k for a wicked deal and that’ll last me 5 years. Who the hell upgrades their cpu within 2-3 years?
I upgrade when my mobo dies, averaging 8 years
I went ten years. Really the thing that needs upgrading is the Vega GPU far more than the AM4 CPU.
The 5700x3d says otherwise
Just built an am4 build, but I move out in roughly 4 years and my pc won’t be much use to me in the college I want to go to (usafa) so hopefully am4 will still get support from amd for at least 4 years
i would consider it dead when most of the people migrate away from am4
Every socket is Dead unless you're upgrading every year. I build my PC platform for 5 years, so even AM4 would have been dead to me
"The captain goes down with the ship."
I just bought a AM4 Ryzen 7 5700g and they are selling like hot cakes. There are still tens of millions of people using am3. There is no reason to buy am5 board right now because you can get a good am4 cpu that will meet or exceed all game expectations. In a few years from now when am5 cpu have dropped in price and there is an advancement in gen 5 hardware, maybe then it will be worth buying am5 board. Until then, am4 is doing just fine.
Have you ever done a poll regarding what your viewer base actually does with their rigs? Myself and many other hobbyist PC enjoyers I know never have to worry about socket future proofing because we're not consistently replacing these parts. By the time we upgrade, we need a new socket anyway.
I'm happy enough to be in the minority if that's the case, but if the majority of your viewers are like me and my friends, perhaps this shouldn't be as big of a consideration as you're giving it
You are really good at making content. Keep up the solid work!
Not all of us have the money to sustain top of the line, I'm still using a above average range gaming PC from 2016, it's got an i5 but i still casually game on it with ease.
Any computer that still works and does it's job doesn't need to be replaced.
Not gonna lie, allocate more to a builds budget and it'll outlast any socket lifespan. My first custom build was an i7 6700k, lasted 6 years and replaced it with the 12600k.
Still not dead. This guy will have you replacing a brand new car after 4 years.
one minute of my life that i'm not getting back
I'm always an entire Gen behind due to lack of PC budget. I was running an old AMD FX - 8350 and a gt1030 for a while, then upgraded to a I7 7700k and gtx 1080ti 2 years ago. Now I'm finally upgrading to a Ryzen 7 5800x and will probably keep it that way for a couple years until all this "new" stuff becomes "dead".
Meanwhile AMD just announced two more cpu sku’s for a “dead” platform
AM4 is a long way away from being dead.
It's a valid point. IF someone has the budget you should preffer AM5, but there so many good deals for new or even used AM4 stuff, so its a good option for budget setups or something else. I've upgraded from my old 9th Gen i7 to a AMD 5900X and couldn't be happier. When I Upgraded AM5 was really new and very expensive, but my AM4 hardware will be good for at least 3-5 years. Good explanation tho, but a small note that am4 is a good buy if your shopping on a budget or looking for used stuff.
Honestly, I have always heard this argument and mostly followed it, but I didn't ever actually upgrade a CPU. By the time the CPU is not potent enough for gaming any more, there will be new generations with new sockets.
As long as AM5 board and DDR5 are expensive then AM4 is STILL alive
I got into am4 early, and am finally upgrading to the 5700x3d after getting the 7900gre and needing the headroom that my 3600 didn't offer. My single am4 board and kit of ram has saved me over $400 in ram and motherboards over a few upgrades and this latest one will last me for a few years at least.
Upgradeability is an important consideration. I bought my LGA-1700 mobo last year even though I know it would be superceded in a couple of years, but it's what I wanted at that time, and I don't plan to upgrade for at least 5 years. But if you are only considering an upgrade, waiting another year for the latest and greatest [budget allowing] isn't a bad idea either.
Am5 isn't consumer friendly yet... AM4 still has life
Future proofing is a luxury. Most of us can't afford it. I built my PC a year ago with AM4, and I have limited options for upgrading, but I get to keep eating with a roof above my head and also play games.
My boy here conflating “Not a good purchase for a new system” and “Dead”… two very different things!
Change "a new" to "the newest" and you're 100% correct
I understand what he is saying. To me AM4 is alive and well. Just got a Ryzen 7 5800x, and an Rx 6950xt. Both for 600$. Amd is the budget king.
bro there was a time where everyone was convinced intel had a deal with motherboard manufactures because they kept changing sockets.
As person who are not going to upgrade for every cpu release, i think am4 is still alive, the last gen cpu of am4 is probably still gonna last for 10 years.
Me who is starting to build my first pc with am5: I see this as an absolute win
One thing you didn't mention is how new motherboards support new features for processors that older motherboards don't. It's always a good idea to update the motherboard with the cpu. This happened with the jump from amd 2000 to 3000 cpu's. 3000 series had pcie4.0 where as 2000 series had 3.0. You could update the bios to support 3000 series on your current motherboard but you didn't get pcie4.0 support.
Just built an AM4 setup...no regerts.
Personally I've never bothered with this idea. It seemed cool back during the Super Socket 7 era. But then it turned out to be by and large pointless.
Not to mention that I've seen quite a few AM4 motherboards with 300 and 400 series chipsets on them, that never got the BIOS updates for Zen 3 or even Zen 2.
At which point you're still stuck with a motherboard you need to replace.
Also in my experience it never mattered anyway. My Applebred Duron (S462) didn't fit in the SuperSocket7 board my K6-3 was in. My Palermo Sempron used S754. My Q6600 used S775, 3570K was on S1155 and my current 11400 is on S1200.
Some times the RAM would carry over, most of the time the GPU would carry over. But I never bother with hoping my motherboard will outlast my CPU. Unless you expect to upgrade every 3 years or so, it's an irrelevant consideration.
Even now if I want more CPU than my 11400, an 11900K costs less than 250 euro. Which is a pretty damn good CPU at that price.
For me the primary requirement of a motherboard is that it offers the features and aesthetics I want for the foreseeable future. Not what my hopes and dreams are for say 10 years from now.
Just buy a CPU that runs circles around current gen consoles and a GPU to match and you're basically set for most mainstream games until a few years into the next console generation.
You can game in 1080p at wellll over 60fps with am4 and a 3060, and that is plenty to fulfill most people's desire when it comes to gaming. To say that AM4 is dead, is to say that there's no point to owning a car from the 70's. Yes the manufacturer no longer makes parts for the car, but the car is cheaper, it's reliable, you can still work on the car (less relevant but valid), the culture around the car is positive, and there is a community of compatibility when it comes to aftermarket.
I have a 3700x and im ready for an upgrade, but the thought of having to get a new motherboard is so daunting. I got a prebuilt as my first pc years ago when that and the 2070ti where both the new gen. I already upgraded my gpu when i found a steal for a 3080ti, but now my cpu is pretty outclassed. Gonna wait for the 9000 series, hopefully gonna be a great cpu in that group.
I build my PC's to perform strongly at their intended resolution target until whenever I feel like building a whole new PC, without the need to ever upgrade any of the components between builds. My late-2019 3700X 32GB 1660Ti 1080p build is still going strong today over 4 years later.
We don't like it when our beloved am4 being called "dead", we prefer "discontinued"
This aged like fine wine. Am5+ isnt going to be far away and the rumors go that am5 won't support 9000 series
Current AM5 motherboards will support Zen 5.
He's no wrong but if you're already planning on going used market then am4 is your best friend. Still the best value you'll ever get rn and still have headroom to go up to 16 cores. Just don't get anything lower than b550 or x570 by now because of pcie gen 4 and higher quality boards than the old b350 b450 and the respective X series boards
the heatspreader on current am5 chips are still giving me a concern
i really took that into consideration of buying an am5 Mobo, futureproofed my rig.
The last time I've upgraded my CPU without changing the motherboard was when the Tualatin P3 was all the rage.
I went with AM5 for my latest PC. Up from the 5800X to the 7800X3d, however given the 5800X is still a powerhouse, I used the old AM4 stuff for another system that I gave to my brother.
I just built a new rig with all "5" support (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 5). My buddies were rolling their eyes and scoffing about my ridiculousness over future-proofing, but this is exactly why I paid more money now, so I can easily upgrade later. 🧠
If AM4 is dead my LGA775 and LGA1151 Rigs are straight up mummies
never upgraded to a new cpu on the same socket. always changed the entire platform.
Short story is when he says dead e means it will no longer recieve any updates.
Not that it is now obsolete
Wish i would have known that before i bought my pre built in 21. Oh well I'll try to rock my PC as long as i can until AM6 is a thing.
Rich kids always gonna think there better for having newest stuff when it work just as good as old stuff, for a higher price.
Its Not dead - its in retirement. To make a Sports metaphor: A senior athlete that is fit can beat you in their category of choice. But it will most likely not outcompete younger athletes under normal conditions.
Imagine Intel never left LGA775.
I get it that this is an valid tip dor people that work with PCs in a professional environment where you can get benefits from such an upgrade.
But i am firmly believing that you will be better off to just buy a very highend system and then upgrade when the features that cant be supported on your current platform got released.
I upgrade my cpu and mainboard (most likely RAM too) every 4-6 years.
Going from PCIe 4 -> 5
DDR4 -> DDR5
NVME 3 -> 4 (one 5.0 slot is available too)
If you are really on a budget all the time then i get it. But its like the old story a bit where the one without money has to buy work shoes every year while the richer one can buy more expensive ones that last much longer.
In the end you can pay more by upgrading frequently instead of waiting 1-2 months to save up a bit more.