I was a ride operator at Oaks last year and operated this ride quite a few times as well as very regularly visiting this park other years probably have ridden this one easily 30+ times) I personally believe nothing went wrong before getting stuck. In my time there, I've seen it stay completely motionless at the top 3-4 times before. Usually it's only for two or three seconds, but once it seemed motionless for easily 10 seconds and I fully believed it had actually gotten stuck. However, it finally tilted and then faulted right before reaching the bottom (I believe the same fault occurs here when it stops spinning). Also this appeared to be at the very end of the cycle as three rotations is relatively unlikely. It could have even been four as it was really booking over the top, though it wasn't unusually fast (I've heard that it's even had five rotations before). My guess is that after the last full rotation, the timer ran out which leads the brakes to engage on the bottom half and free swing in the top half. When it is a fast rotation cycle, this is a typical set up for a massive hang on a final upswing or rotation. It could tilt either way, though unfortunately here it happened to be neither. When it stopped, the lack of wind due to the massive Oak trees surrounding the park and static friction probably didn't help. Also knowing how rigorous the inspection and maintenance is at this park, with every ride going through three rounds of in depth inspections daily, I guarantee that the level of wear was well within acceptable limits set by Zamperla. Of course a lot of this is still speculation, but those are my thoughts. It's incredibly unfortunate that this happened here because Oaks is an incredibly wholesome and amazing park. I've loved every visit growing up and had an absolute blast working there (the management is awesome!). They also seem to have a ton of plans moving forward with this park so I'm really hoping this event won't hurt those. I'm also incredibly thankful that everyone on the ride was ok in the end. It's already a lot to hang for 5 seconds on a big hang, I couldn't imagine for nearly 30 minutes. Either way, I'd highly encourage anyone to visit this awesome park if they get the chance. It deserves all the love it can get!
I pinned the comment. You’re better to speculate than I am. I don’t feel there’s a problem with the ride or the park. Just a set of circumstances that longed up perfect. What do they have for recovery. That’s really the meet of the topic, the duration they were stuck. Do you know of a procedure to get it down ( does it have a manual operation mode?)
@@ryantheridemechanic Unfortunately, I'm unsure of what they could have done for recovery. There is definitely a manual mode, though there isn't a jog function on the panel. There could have been one by navigating through the panel computer, but I feel like they would have gotten the ride down far quicker if it was that simple. If they didn't do the recovery by what you said, my guess is that they could have performed some override to jog the motors to get the ride in the upright position (with Zamperla on the phone leading them through the process). By the way, I just want to thank you so much for you're videos! I've learned so much and I just got my first job in maintenance at Glenwood Caverns!
@@jacksongrace your welcome! The giant discovery I worked on had a manual mode but just to open and close the floor and test restraints. Couldn’t move the arm but we could spin the gondola.
@jacksongrace I used to run the ranger at Darien Lake in the 90s , entirely manual control. I loved making that thing spin. I couldn't imagine just pushing a start button letting a computer do it. Never was able to get it stuck upside down despite my attempts😊
Love your content. It was be great to hear a bit of a deep dive on B&M flying coasters. The trains have always fascinated me particularly the restraints and the pivot mechanism in the station. Every time I go to a park with one, I enjoy standing in a station watching the trains go from seating to flying.
Hi Ryan. I'm from the UK so found the channel through your coverage on Hyperia. One of the only channels out there giving updates on real events in the industry from a mechanics perspective. Thank you!
@@ryantheridemechanic Keep up this content and hopefully more people see it over the news! Hyperia is back open and running fantastically by the way! Was able to get my first (five) rides this past Thursday and it was definitely worth the wait. Thanks for the updates during it's closure
7:49 I know what you mean about the torque because when I ride a KMG fireball, I feel the motor at the bottom and then when it’s swinging up it’s like the power turns off for a second and you can feel it torquing to swing back down.
Not sure. A lot of rides in this style don’t offer a manual input to reduce possible stress on the arm. But it’s strictly programming. I’m sure there’s a hand full that have that function.
Ride mechanic here! my park actually has this function on our Techical Park Pendulum ride. You can swich to manual and apply small amount of torgue on either direction. We also have our e-stop on it work a bit differently. On our ride if you press e-stop, the ride will attempt a controlled stop for 20 seconds before completely cutting power from the drives.
oh shoot! i was on the atmosfear when it got stuck! edit: 12:45 fire was there before maintenance began work, they worked together and fire/medical did health checks on everyone
When I worked at Six Flags way back in 2012 I was taught on certain rides to Ride Stop first, then E-stop to cut the power. We had an old Huss Enterprise and Maintenance showed us what happens when you e-stop it in the air. It's not pretty.
I want to buy a new Huss Enterprise 2g with the tilt . It is awesome . Just need a show to book on with . E stop on Enterprise just rotates slowly with the gondolas rocking back and forth ?? Huss has a animation on the website of a pit model Enterprise 2G with open seats ( like Zamperlas Endevor) Ride Control has an animation of an Enterprise 2G with the tilt with gondola cars ' Enterprise - Enterprise'' Ride Control '' on RUclips
@@Sonic-gy7kq except CP is where manufacturers prove themselves. You must be a kid who doesn't know about all the downtime us locals have experienced over decades of doing what had never been done before. Par for the course. Not to mention intamin has a history of elevated downtime and death.
They're just having a very hot Summer of bad luck. But don't worry, it's like an initiation. Intamin had a notorious streak from about 2003-2007 with incidents and ride issues. May Zamperla learn from this like they did.
Technical Park is part of Fabbri Group. Soriani is the exact same company as Moser rides, they are one and the same. Zamperla and Moser made flatrides before. (They made a topspin variant and some other stuff). So it makes sense that they still work together on projects.
@@ryantheridemechanic They are all in the same part of Italy called Ride manufacturers lane or something where there are like 20-30 companies just working on amusement rides. From what I have seen and heard in Interviews.
Technical Park is no longer part of the Fabbri Group. They had split when Mel Park when by bye bye. Soriani and Moser split in 1998 when Zamperla acquired Soriani then Moser become Moser Rides SRL. Soriani produces a lot of flat rides for Zamperla who sells are services them. When it comes to Moser, they have the same patent rights and molds as Soriani does.
@@MrMakoFL The Moser pendulum rides look identical to the Zamperla ones. And a lot of Showmans in Germany and The Netherlands claim that Soriani is still moser, and Fabbri Group still sells Technical Park rides. So this makes it very confusing. I just got the information from people who actually buy rides and parts from those parties. This doesn't make it much easier to say.
@@DJWezzyK yeah I hear ya especially that the Soriani rides Zamperla offers are almost identical to Moser offerings. Myself still consider Moser as the old Soriani and Moser brand. For certain Technical Park is no longer part of Fabbri Group even though they were part of them until about 20 or so years ago. I bet you some of the Fabbri rides are partially manufactured or designed by Technical Park (example Heavy Rotation vs Eclipse). I can confirm parts for the Energy Storm can be got from Moser as the Speed Flip has some of the same parts just like the Space Trainer vs Top Star Tour.
Always makes me wonder why parks don’t have an SOP for this sort of eventuality? If I owned a ride like this the first thing I’d ask myself is “what do we do if it gets stuck upside down” and make sure there is a well rehearsed process to deal with it
Last year a Huss Enterprise wouldnt come down to the plat form. It still rotated very slowly with the gondola cars uncomfortably rocking back and forth. It was still at the 88 deg angle . Last year a Wizdom Music Fest wouldnt shut off at Rye Playland even after the kill button was hit
Pendulum rides are so fascinating to me. I’d totally love to see a breakdown on how the various ones work. I haven’t seen a lot that do a 360. Usually I’ve encountered ones that are far larger and don’t go completely over.
Hey, have you done a video discussing transfer tracks and procedures for getting trains to and from maintenance bays? Some of the old ones I have seen, in particular on old arrows, they actually have a drop into the maintenance bay with a winch to get trains back up. How much of a pain in the butt is something like that? The Cedar Point Corkscrew has this and I have heard of other Corkscrew models having that. If you needed to do a wheel replacement, could you do that on the brake run or station, or does it have to go into the maintenance bay? Once you winch a train back up to be transferred, is there anything stopping a train from just rolling back into the maintenance shed or rolling completely off onto the ground?
Generally most rides with complicated transfer tracks, they tend not to use them. Then you need another person or special tools to work on the trains on the track.
Fun fact if you notice, Corkscrew and Gemini only have road wheels. Arrow had a different system instead of the more modern 3 wheel set carriers. Take a good look at Magnum's wheels same thing. Cedar Point had to add a form of primitive upstop wheel because of the hill height, speed, and those great bunny hills. If you know you know, lol
The closest I've ever been to being stuck upside down was on a zamperla air race where my car was balanced perfectly upside down for 2 whole rotations. It may have cause the ride to fault because it broke down after I got off
So I'm wondering does something like this have a "bump" button or a go to "position zero" button? I've seen Kobra (same manufacturer) at Chessington world of adventures get stuck mid-run, I actually got to speak to an engineer and was told they have a button which basically engages the motor/spin until the engineer releases it - the ride then re-attempts to find position zero at the gate again. I imagine that maintenance on this might have something similar, although 30 minutes is an awfully long time to do that procedure.
I operated a Larson Loop at a Six Flags Park. I was on enable and my partner was the one driving it. He had accidentally got it stuck upside down for like 2 1/2 minutes and finally was able to bring them back down. I can say it is definitely possible. lol we did 3 loops one way 3 loops the other was always told to try and get them as close to stalling, but not actually stalling them for exactly the reason in the video
Same as the acceleration just with lower values. So the arm tries to go to speed 60 but the drive is trying to get it to speed 40. The speed and torque curves are the same the value is just lower.
I've ridden this exact ride at Kentucky Kingdom many times and being 52 and having open heart surgery a few years back there's no doubt that being stuck upside down for 30 minutes could possibly stop my new beating heart! This is a real eye opener with rides I need to cross off because and I think I'm sticking with my precious Diamondback coaster and all of its smooth camelback hills!!
@Jenlovescoasters my doctor actually said it was fine and said the heat is more dangerous then anything else! I just take note on certain rides to see how i feel afterwards and I find rides with alot of Gs is what I find that makes me nauseated and very dizzy.I unfortunately have stop riding suspended coasters with many loops and flat rides can be pretty rough now to ESPECIALLY fair rides!!
Forgive me if I sound dumb, but what's the difference between "Ride Stop" and E-Stop"? On the topic of Larson Loops, they either come with the manual joystick control, or a pre-programmed cycle. I think all the ones that Six Flags installed had the manual control. Great Adventure had to remove theirs after just 4 seasons because the State of New Jersey didn't like the control system. Instead of retrofitting it with a pre-programmed cycle, they removed it and sent it to La Ronde.
Ride stops kill controls. Estops kill power (these vary from ride to ride.) Some of the loops are manual some are program driven. I always thought they should all be program driven. But that’s just me.
On most rides a ride stop would signal the ride to end the cycle in it's normal controlled procedure. Most flat rides operate on a timer that dictates the length of a normal ride cycle, however if the operator hits the ride stop they can end the cycle early (like if a rider gets sick or something) and the ride just comes to a stop in it's normal fashion. E-Stops either cut power to the ride altogether and/or completely stop the ride in the position it's in (varies based on ride). Some rides when e-stop won't actually stop but will coast (like the swing rides in the video) whereas other rides will come to a sharp stop (usually that is if the ride's brakes are designed to engage when power is lost).
I'm curious...do you think this incident has had a ripple effect throughout the theme park industry? My home park's Zamperla pendulum has been closed down ever since the Atmosfear got stuck. And I'm one the opposite coast - might not be any correlation but just wondering if all of those ride types are being inspected or something. As always, great video! Thanks for the educational content!
Yes for sure. Same style models will be down until they figure out what went wrong. General models or like models will probably also be down just in case. Parks should implement an evacuation procedure prior to opening to ensure when this happens it can quickly be recovered.
In a situation like this, Do you think the pendulum rides that go over like this one and some of the ones that don’t like MaxAir and Delium at KI which are both Huss models, should there be a “Home” position where no matter what failure there is, it should return to the “ Home” Position?
It’s really not needed. Gravity does that for you every time. But I would love to see a manual mode where the motors could alt least try and bump the gondola one direction. Just a nudge.
The media coverage of this has been very typical, they reported riders stuck upside down and had to be evacuated and completely omitting that the ride was brought down and the riders were removed in the normal unloading position
Events like this make me wonder why there isn´t a way to manually "push" the ride with the motors. Like, you mentioned that some of these rides have a manual override for the brake up ont top where the motors are, so why isn´t there also a button a mechanic can push to have the motors engange for a second or two just to nudge the arm out of it´s balanced position?
This has 2 ride cycles that load back and forth, a 360 version and a 180 like the regular Discoveries. Does that make a difference in this situation - computer issues?
I know Dollywood had something very similar happened with their 'timber tower ride' awhile back. I don't think the rides were Identical just similar in concept. It seems like Huss made the one DW had and it was a multi hour ordeal.... they removed it shortly afterwards it seems like another one at a different park was found to have unrepairable stress cracks about the same time and the faults on the one DW😅 had was suspected to possibly have the same issues .... any thoughts/ knowledge of that set of occurrences? For the record I expect a ride of that nature to develop stress cracks just due to the shear amount of force going on and I am personally more relieved to hear a park shut down and repair or remove a ride due to stress cracks then not because it proves they are on top of things even though I expect nothing less.
Don’t have much along repairs. When I asked Zamperla about their arm repair time lines sense the ride was new, it was “replace” there is no repair. I agree with not welding cracks on those arms. Too much stress.
@@ryantheridemechanic not sure we have anything like that over here but both sound great. I'm not sure what "compensation" riders get for being stuck over here is, although I have known parks to give out fast track tickets or free re-entry to the park.
@@nicholasmiles671 I mean, maybe they're not perfectly safe but they're pretty close when ran the way they are supposed to be (including maintenance) They're very, very safe.
The restraints held its safe. Maintenance got it back down. It's a success. I would have a team meeting, though, to see how to respond better in the future.
It didn't think it was home, that's mechanically governed so the parts/contacts can't be in the right place. It just tripped out and caught balanced at the top because it goes over slowly anyway and needs a motor push to do so. It's clearly quite stable in the upside down position so can hang there.
Nice video. I could be work but I think it a a Zamperla like a giant discovery but instead of that it is a discovery revolution. Idk though I don’t know everything. I know my home park have had at least rumor wise lots of trouble with the Gear box for there Giant discovery ride wich is named Black Widow. I haven’t seen it myself but I’ve heard of the Aero 360 at the same park, a Zamperla Hawk 48, stopping upside down back in 2022 but from what I remember from what I heard they must of had a pedicure for it because I think it was solved within the time span of 5 to 10 minutes
We had the hawk recovery under 10 min easy. Funny story, before my time, when the hawk was brand new, the 0 position was straight up and down vertical but upside down. I heard they added sensors and interrupted the program to find 0 drying a fault. Take that with a grain of salt because I think that was a BS story I was fed.
I'm genuinely surprised there isn't some sort of mechanism to prevent this from happening if the power fails. I obviously don't know how the inner workings operate but outside looking in it seems like this could be avoided with like a bump in the parts that control the rotation or something. Something that will allow it to flip but will ensure that it physically can't stay on the upside-down position.
@@ryantheridemechanic yes they are. I personally think they are a better ride experience, as well as visually appealing, than any other looping flat ride
Bruh why there isn’t a system on the computer system that literally does a simple thing such as dividing that angle value it measures to value from a timer to derivate the angular speed and if it ever stays at zero for more than a set time, just ramp up the motors to a great level like 30-40 for it to escape being stuck.. Use a super capacitor or battery powered system so it activates automatically when power is lost
@@adakalyoncu1913 a lot of systems have something like this. But this one did not, park probably never found a reason to install one. Or ask for it from the factory.
My school had a field trip to oaks Park 4 days prior the stuck upside down thing. It made feel weird because i could've been one of those who got stuck.😅😅
Great Adventure had an Evolution( like this ride but gondolas) that wouldnt come down about ten years ago. The ride is still in operation at another park
From my understanding (talking with dr’s in the past,) mainly just uncomfortable. Could burst a blood vessel in the eye possible by personal health comes largely in the picture. High blood pressure makes things much worse of course.
@@ryantheridemechaniclol I googled it! The information I found says that your larger organs can compress your lungs! And your blood can pool causing blood clots and such. Your body can also handle about 15 minutes. I think they deserve dippin dots! lol 😂
The amusement industry keeps doing these things. For more of a current event I don’t think you all should have to wait till Friday. Consider it more of a news flash. Haha! Still have my usual out on Friday though!
The number of times my daughter and I said 'stay off the air gates' this past weekend at Cedar Point would've made you proud! Someone actually broke Magnum XL200 by shaking the gates..then, later, Gemini got shut down for the same reason. Lol
@thisguy_w0n going through some things at the moment and, unfortunately, this isn't in the budget right now. Once my situation is resolved, you bet I'll be getting one!
I'm not sure if I'm getting jaded by the media and park goer whine about maintenance issues. My first response was restraints held. Second was it sucks to be upside down. Next response was maintenance will get it down or start a fun evac. Then I moved on another day at the park.
Being upside down for to long is not good for the body. Eventually if you’re upside down for to long your organs will fail the heart has to work harder to pump the blood and your lungs start to feel pressure and your breathing can fail.
That's why I like the old school hammer rides because they're manual driven by joystick and a clutch pedal that acts as a clutch and a break at the same time! All the way up to when they made the one that was 60 passenger 30 per side it took two operators to operate both arms those are the good rides these new rides are all electronic way too electronic I will take an old school ride that you can manually physically operate over a electronic one
I HIGHLY doubt it just so happened to perfectly balance itself upside down like that, especially with the passengers still spinning. It would've tipped one way or the other, wind, etc... This has got to be some hydraulic (maybe mechanical) lock up. Edit: Top comment operator bro said its likely because of the breaks.
Not gonna tolerate any unnecessary hate for Zamperla. But still kinda crazy this happened, whilst still showing every other safety system in the structure and restraints still worked as they should
Here’s what’s wrong with your take: The computer should recognize the stall is upside down and should automatically be programmed to properly attempt to push the ride one way or another to safely return it to the ground. Having to 100% rely on manual intervention or some procedure that is susceptible to human error and takes 25 minutes, even 5 minutes upside down is too long. Rethink this please.
Hammerhead was fun.... Sucks they removed it.... Tasmanian Devil (Huss Frisbee) was my favorite pendulum ride....dare devil was not a fun time lol i talked mad shit to the operator and let's just say we got some "extra hang time" at the top of the loop lol
@@ryantheridemechanicof course I have....I also used to ride VooDoo in my younger years 7-8 times without getting off lol and V2 back when it was actually vertical on both ends and the brakes still held you at the back spike
@@ryantheridemechanic sadly I did experience THAT atrocity.... And I'm normally a fan of Schwartzkopfs but not THAT one. I was technically too tall as I think the max height was 72" and I'm 77 but I crammed myself in it and rode it. Tony Hawks Big Spin was a BLAST. We would be spinning 5x faster than anyone else because we figured out how to stack the weight to maximize momentum lol. Crazanity was another credit I have that wasn't worth it. Loud, Rough, and over hyped
Moved on. We had to relocate. Wasn’t what I wanted but it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Wouldn’t change. I’d work for a park again though, maybe, I’m used to weekends and holidays off now haha!!
Worked full time in the industry for nearly thirty years and another ten part time. Enjoyed it for the most part. Retired now but still get calls for advice
That was a ride in India. Snapped clean in half mid cycle. That’s the stuff nightmares are made of. Honestly most crazy video I see come out of that area.
Of course it had to happen at the only thrill park in my entire state. They have been looking to expand the park but they might have to postpone that if (when) the GP take the wrong lesson from this.
This is y i dont do crazy ride smh. I hate heights or drops. N i don't do roller coasters. Even with slow and easy ride you have to be carful such as with Disneyland. I honestly only been to Disneyland and knotts. N when i was in middle school 6 flags. But fairs rides n 6 flags stuff like that no way jose. Smh. You hear of many death at these type of places and also common places such as Disney and knotts also 6 flags others. You just got to stay praying period about stuff like this. I heard about this story but i didn't look into until now. #DisneyDiva
My Money is that ride is done due to attention it got. If the park can afford it they will sell it and drag in some other repainted ride. Or they rename it!! “ The Hanger”
I was a ride operator at Oaks last year and operated this ride quite a few times as well as very regularly visiting this park other years probably have ridden this one easily 30+ times)
I personally believe nothing went wrong before getting stuck. In my time there, I've seen it stay completely motionless at the top 3-4 times before. Usually it's only for two or three seconds, but once it seemed motionless for easily 10 seconds and I fully believed it had actually gotten stuck. However, it finally tilted and then faulted right before reaching the bottom (I believe the same fault occurs here when it stops spinning). Also this appeared to be at the very end of the cycle as three rotations is relatively unlikely. It could have even been four as it was really booking over the top, though it wasn't unusually fast (I've heard that it's even had five rotations before). My guess is that after the last full rotation, the timer ran out which leads the brakes to engage on the bottom half and free swing in the top half. When it is a fast rotation cycle, this is a typical set up for a massive hang on a final upswing or rotation. It could tilt either way, though unfortunately here it happened to be neither. When it stopped, the lack of wind due to the massive Oak trees surrounding the park and static friction probably didn't help. Also knowing how rigorous the inspection and maintenance is at this park, with every ride going through three rounds of in depth inspections daily, I guarantee that the level of wear was well within acceptable limits set by Zamperla.
Of course a lot of this is still speculation, but those are my thoughts. It's incredibly unfortunate that this happened here because Oaks is an incredibly wholesome and amazing park. I've loved every visit growing up and had an absolute blast working there (the management is awesome!). They also seem to have a ton of plans moving forward with this park so I'm really hoping this event won't hurt those. I'm also incredibly thankful that everyone on the ride was ok in the end. It's already a lot to hang for 5 seconds on a big hang, I couldn't imagine for nearly 30 minutes. Either way, I'd highly encourage anyone to visit this awesome park if they get the chance. It deserves all the love it can get!
I pinned the comment. You’re better to speculate than I am. I don’t feel there’s a problem with the ride or the park. Just a set of circumstances that longed up perfect. What do they have for recovery. That’s really the meet of the topic, the duration they were stuck. Do you know of a procedure to get it down ( does it have a manual operation mode?)
Also this ride is by Zamperla (it is a "Zamperla Discovery 30 Revolution")
@@ryantheridemechanic Unfortunately, I'm unsure of what they could have done for recovery. There is definitely a manual mode, though there isn't a jog function on the panel. There could have been one by navigating through the panel computer, but I feel like they would have gotten the ride down far quicker if it was that simple. If they didn't do the recovery by what you said, my guess is that they could have performed some override to jog the motors to get the ride in the upright position (with Zamperla on the phone leading them through the process).
By the way, I just want to thank you so much for you're videos! I've learned so much and I just got my first job in maintenance at Glenwood Caverns!
@@jacksongrace your welcome! The giant discovery I worked on had a manual mode but just to open and close the floor and test restraints. Couldn’t move the arm but we could spin the gondola.
@jacksongrace I used to run the ranger at Darien Lake in the 90s , entirely manual control. I loved making that thing spin. I couldn't imagine just pushing a start button letting a computer do it. Never was able to get it stuck upside down despite my attempts😊
I love this channel it's great having a technical view from a professional of what is going on in these kinds of situations
What professional?
Love your content. It was be great to hear a bit of a deep dive on B&M flying coasters. The trains have always fascinated me particularly the restraints and the pivot mechanism in the station. Every time I go to a park with one, I enjoy standing in a station watching the trains go from seating to flying.
Loving the "quick video" = 28 min. Hehe (not complaining, just laughing) keep it coming! As long as you want... Its allways good ~Russ
Hi Ryan. I'm from the UK so found the channel through your coverage on Hyperia. One of the only channels out there giving updates on real events in the industry from a mechanics perspective. Thank you!
Your welcome! I’m not quick to jump on these type of things but enough people kept asking so I figured more people would probably want to know.
@@ryantheridemechanic If only the media were this knowledgeable about ride stoppages!🤣
@@ThemeParkUK ugh! Right! I cringe at some of the reports I see.
@@ryantheridemechanic Keep up this content and hopefully more people see it over the news! Hyperia is back open and running fantastically by the way! Was able to get my first (five) rides this past Thursday and it was definitely worth the wait. Thanks for the updates during it's closure
@@ThemeParkUK so awesome that’s up and running!! I would love to ride one day!
I see you're having fun editing these videos 😂😂 great info as always and appreciate how sensible you make everything!
I bought what I consider good editing software. Things I’ve always wanted to do but never could. It might get weird.
@ryantheridemechanic, thanks for the warning, ha ha!
7:49 I know what you mean about the torque because when I ride a KMG fireball, I feel the motor at the bottom and then when it’s swinging up it’s like the power turns off for a second and you can feel it torquing to swing back down.
Potentially stupid question: Why don't these rides have a "give it a little nudge real quick" button to solve this problem?
Not sure. A lot of rides in this style don’t offer a manual input to reduce possible stress on the arm. But it’s strictly programming. I’m sure there’s a hand full that have that function.
I was wondering the same thing, seems like a common sense thing to include if there is the possibility of this happening.
Ride mechanic here! my park actually has this function on our Techical Park Pendulum ride. You can swich to manual and apply small amount of torgue on either direction. We also have our e-stop on it work a bit differently. On our ride if you press e-stop, the ride will attempt a controlled stop for 20 seconds before completely cutting power from the drives.
oh shoot! i was on the atmosfear when it got stuck!
edit: 12:45 fire was there before maintenance began work, they worked together and fire/medical did health checks on everyone
In what situation would a person be eligible for compensation in the form of Dippin' Dots?
Nope. Doesn’t exist! Haha!
That could be an April fools video next year
@@spinba11 haha!!!! That would be funny.
When I worked at Six Flags way back in 2012 I was taught on certain rides to Ride Stop first, then E-stop to cut the power.
We had an old Huss Enterprise and Maintenance showed us what happens when you e-stop it in the air.
It's not pretty.
I want to buy a new Huss Enterprise 2g with the tilt . It is awesome . Just need a show to book on with . E stop on Enterprise just rotates slowly with the gondolas rocking back and forth ?? Huss has a animation on the website of a pit model Enterprise 2G with open seats ( like Zamperlas Endevor) Ride Control has an animation of an Enterprise 2G with the tilt with gondola cars ' Enterprise - Enterprise'' Ride Control '' on RUclips
Zamperla is just killing it this summer!! This one is indeed made by zamperla it says on the park website
Nobody even thought highly of them in the first place. Shame on cedar point for choosing them.
@@Sonic-gy7kq except CP is where manufacturers prove themselves. You must be a kid who doesn't know about all the downtime us locals have experienced over decades of doing what had never been done before. Par for the course.
Not to mention intamin has a history of elevated downtime and death.
They're just having a very hot Summer of bad luck. But don't worry, it's like an initiation. Intamin had a notorious streak from about 2003-2007 with incidents and ride issues. May Zamperla learn from this like they did.
You weren't paying attention. He says that it's made but another Italian company, called Technical Park.
Technical Park is part of Fabbri Group. Soriani is the exact same company as Moser rides, they are one and the same. Zamperla and Moser made flatrides before. (They made a topspin variant and some other stuff). So it makes sense that they still work together on projects.
Interesting. I know it’s an odd relationship from my perspective but I don’t understand a lot of things haha!
@@ryantheridemechanic They are all in the same part of Italy called Ride manufacturers lane or something where there are like 20-30 companies just working on amusement rides. From what I have seen and heard in Interviews.
Technical Park is no longer part of the Fabbri Group. They had split when Mel Park when by bye bye. Soriani and Moser split in 1998 when Zamperla acquired Soriani then Moser become Moser Rides SRL. Soriani produces a lot of flat rides for Zamperla who sells are services them. When it comes to Moser, they have the same patent rights and molds as Soriani does.
@@MrMakoFL The Moser pendulum rides look identical to the Zamperla ones. And a lot of Showmans in Germany and The Netherlands claim that Soriani is still moser, and Fabbri Group still sells Technical Park rides. So this makes it very confusing. I just got the information from people who actually buy rides and parts from those parties. This doesn't make it much easier to say.
@@DJWezzyK yeah I hear ya especially that the Soriani rides Zamperla offers are almost identical to Moser offerings. Myself still consider Moser as the old Soriani and Moser brand. For certain Technical Park is no longer part of Fabbri Group even though they were part of them until about 20 or so years ago. I bet you some of the Fabbri rides are partially manufactured or designed by Technical Park (example Heavy Rotation vs Eclipse).
I can confirm parts for the Energy Storm can be got from Moser as the Speed Flip has some of the same parts just like the Space Trainer vs Top Star Tour.
Always makes me wonder why parks don’t have an SOP for this sort of eventuality? If I owned a ride like this the first thing I’d ask myself is “what do we do if it gets stuck upside down” and make sure there is a well rehearsed process to deal with it
Parks like the phrase “that won’t happen” been there, heard that! Pointed out the stuck ride 10 months later….. “see”…….
yeah 25 mins is unacceptable.
@@ryantheridemechanicreally? A short “that won’t happen” and they don’t even bother to ask how? explains a lot I guess, lmao.
@@riskydevil6486 when parks make decisions sometimes people have to argue common sense against their decision. Not everytime, but sometimes.
Last year a Huss Enterprise wouldnt come down to the plat form. It still rotated very slowly with the gondola cars uncomfortably rocking back and forth. It was still at the 88 deg angle . Last year a Wizdom Music Fest wouldnt shut off at Rye Playland even after the kill button was hit
Wonder of the drive was wired wrong not to accept the stop signal
The Evolution ride got stuck upside down for an hour at Great Adventure. It was about 14 years ago
Hi Ryan I love all of your videos, I was wondering if you are going to make a video talking about your opinion on cedar fair and six flags merging???
How about this I made a while back;
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Pendulum rides are so fascinating to me. I’d totally love to see a breakdown on how the various ones work. I haven’t seen a lot that do a 360. Usually I’ve encountered ones that are far larger and don’t go completely over.
Hey, have you done a video discussing transfer tracks and procedures for getting trains to and from maintenance bays? Some of the old ones I have seen, in particular on old arrows, they actually have a drop into the maintenance bay with a winch to get trains back up. How much of a pain in the butt is something like that? The Cedar Point Corkscrew has this and I have heard of other Corkscrew models having that. If you needed to do a wheel replacement, could you do that on the brake run or station, or does it have to go into the maintenance bay? Once you winch a train back up to be transferred, is there anything stopping a train from just rolling back into the maintenance shed or rolling completely off onto the ground?
I haven’t done a video on transfer track yet.
Generally most rides with complicated transfer tracks, they tend not to use them. Then you need another person or special tools to work on the trains on the track.
Fun fact if you notice, Corkscrew and Gemini only have road wheels. Arrow had a different system instead of the more modern 3 wheel set carriers. Take a good look at Magnum's wheels same thing. Cedar Point had to add a form of primitive upstop wheel because of the hill height, speed, and those great bunny hills. If you know you know, lol
@@LTCoasters not a fan of the single road wheels but I did see that!
Ryan, you worked at Great Adventure and or SFNE with Pete Charmichal and Tim Black ??? I
Can’t say that I have
Wonder if there’s a wench on one of the arms they can attach to the counterweight and reel it down.
Bypas motor (my vote)
@@ryantheridemechanic great
That ride at 18:00 there is still one operating at Kings Dominion in Doswell Virginia!
Yeah I rode that getting worried that would happen because every turn in sat up there for like 3 seconds then come down.
@@jacobzzindaclub that one at KD has been very good, been running for years
The closest I've ever been to being stuck upside down was on a zamperla air race where my car was balanced perfectly upside down for 2 whole rotations. It may have cause the ride to fault because it broke down after I got off
So I'm wondering does something like this have a "bump" button or a go to "position zero" button?
I've seen Kobra (same manufacturer) at Chessington world of adventures get stuck mid-run, I actually got to speak to an engineer and was told they have a button which basically engages the motor/spin until the engineer releases it - the ride then re-attempts to find position zero at the gate again. I imagine that maintenance on this might have something similar, although 30 minutes is an awfully long time to do that procedure.
I’ve heard some rides have that override. That makes sense. Now, why ALL of these don’t have it is a different story. Not sure there.
I operated a Larson Loop at a Six Flags Park. I was on enable and my partner was the one driving it. He had accidentally got it stuck upside down for like 2 1/2 minutes and finally was able to bring them back down. I can say it is definitely possible. lol we did 3 loops one way 3 loops the other was always told to try and get them as close to stalling, but not actually stalling them for exactly the reason in the video
How do these rides trim the swing speed down when the cycle is ending?
Same as the acceleration just with lower values. So the arm tries to go to speed 60 but the drive is trying to get it to speed 40. The speed and torque curves are the same the value is just lower.
I've ridden this exact ride at Kentucky Kingdom many times and being 52 and having open heart surgery a few years back there's no doubt that being stuck upside down for 30 minutes could possibly stop my new beating heart! This is a real eye opener with rides I need to cross off because and I think I'm sticking with my precious Diamondback coaster and all of its smooth camelback hills!!
@Jenlovescoasters my doctor actually said it was fine and said the heat is more dangerous then anything else! I just take note on certain rides to see how i feel afterwards and I find rides with alot of Gs is what I find that makes me nauseated and very dizzy.I unfortunately have stop riding suspended coasters with many loops and flat rides can be pretty rough now to ESPECIALLY fair rides!!
Forgive me if I sound dumb, but what's the difference between "Ride Stop" and E-Stop"?
On the topic of Larson Loops, they either come with the manual joystick control, or a pre-programmed cycle. I think all the ones that Six Flags installed had the manual control. Great Adventure had to remove theirs after just 4 seasons because the State of New Jersey didn't like the control system. Instead of retrofitting it with a pre-programmed cycle, they removed it and sent it to La Ronde.
Ride stops kill controls. Estops kill power (these vary from ride to ride.)
Some of the loops are manual some are program driven. I always thought they should all be program driven. But that’s just me.
On most rides a ride stop would signal the ride to end the cycle in it's normal controlled procedure. Most flat rides operate on a timer that dictates the length of a normal ride cycle, however if the operator hits the ride stop they can end the cycle early (like if a rider gets sick or something) and the ride just comes to a stop in it's normal fashion. E-Stops either cut power to the ride altogether and/or completely stop the ride in the position it's in (varies based on ride). Some rides when e-stop won't actually stop but will coast (like the swing rides in the video) whereas other rides will come to a sharp stop (usually that is if the ride's brakes are designed to engage when power is lost).
I'm curious...do you think this incident has had a ripple effect throughout the theme park industry? My home park's Zamperla pendulum has been closed down ever since the Atmosfear got stuck. And I'm one the opposite coast - might not be any correlation but just wondering if all of those ride types are being inspected or something. As always, great video! Thanks for the educational content!
Yes for sure. Same style models will be down until they figure out what went wrong. General models or like models will probably also be down just in case.
Parks should implement an evacuation procedure prior to opening to ensure when this happens it can quickly be recovered.
@@ryantheridemechanic Cool, thanks so much!
My local park kings dominion has a looping ship from intamin, it goes SLOW over the top
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In a situation like this, Do you think the pendulum rides that go over like this one and some of the ones that don’t like MaxAir and Delium at KI which are both Huss models, should there be a “Home” position where no matter what failure there is, it should return to the “ Home” Position?
It’s really not needed. Gravity does that for you every time. But I would love to see a manual mode where the motors could alt least try and bump the gondola one direction. Just a nudge.
The media coverage of this has been very typical, they reported riders stuck upside down and had to be evacuated and completely omitting that the ride was brought down and the riders were removed in the normal unloading position
Yea from near by sources we got Maintenance was able to get it down moments before or right as the fire department showed up
Events like this make me wonder why there isn´t a way to manually "push" the ride with the motors. Like, you mentioned that some of these rides have a manual override for the brake up ont top where the motors are, so why isn´t there also a button a mechanic can push to have the motors engange for a second or two just to nudge the arm out of it´s balanced position?
This has 2 ride cycles that load back and forth, a 360 version and a 180 like the regular Discoveries. Does that make a difference in this situation - computer issues?
Not really. Should be very similar.
I was one of the people who were on the AtmosFEAR ride my name is Daniel you can see me in all the interviews
My screen flipped at the start and i got confused lol. Touche sir lol.
I forgot to ask after I corrected it, how many people flipped their phone hahaha!!!
FUNNEL CAKE??? I was upside down for 30 minutes I deserve Dippin' Dots
See the tshirt haha!!!
@@ryantheridemechanic I still want my dippin' dots... I will riot
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I know Dollywood had something very similar happened with their 'timber tower ride' awhile back. I don't think the rides were Identical just similar in concept. It seems like Huss made the one DW had and it was a multi hour ordeal.... they removed it shortly afterwards it seems like another one at a different park was found to have unrepairable stress cracks about the same time and the faults on the one DW😅 had was suspected to possibly have the same issues .... any thoughts/ knowledge of that set of occurrences? For the record I expect a ride of that nature to develop stress cracks just due to the shear amount of force going on and I am personally more relieved to hear a park shut down and repair or remove a ride due to stress cracks then not because it proves they are on top of things even though I expect nothing less.
Don’t have much along repairs. When I asked Zamperla about their arm repair time lines sense the ride was new, it was “replace” there is no repair. I agree with not welding cracks on those arms. Too much stress.
Always an interesting explanation .
I'm from the UK, great channel by the way but what the heck are dippin dots and funnel cakes??
@@shaunpayne81 dippin dots are flash frozen ice cream just in little tiny dots. Funnel cakes are basically fried pancakes.
@@ryantheridemechanic not sure we have anything like that over here but both sound great. I'm not sure what "compensation" riders get for being stuck over here is, although I have known parks to give out fast track tickets or free re-entry to the park.
"Rides aren't safe!" This is literally a case of being extremely unlucky with the perfect set of circumstances.
Nothing fun is perfectly safe :)
@@nicholasmiles671 I mean, maybe they're not perfectly safe but they're pretty close when ran the way they are supposed to be (including maintenance) They're very, very safe.
The restraints held its safe. Maintenance got it back down. It's a success. I would have a team meeting, though, to see how to respond better in the future.
Your car isn't perfectly safe either
I agree, my thoughts are reviewing procedures to see if possible updates could be made.
You’d think there would be a failsafe that would prevent this from happening. Do you know how they brought the gondola down?
Wait why not Dippin Dots?! I love me some Dippin Dots. Banana Split for the win! Ooh now I wanna go to my park just for the snack...
Looks like a controls issue and the computer thought the ride was home 😂
It didn't think it was home, that's mechanically governed so the parts/contacts can't be in the right place.
It just tripped out and caught balanced at the top because it goes over slowly anyway and needs a motor push to do so. It's clearly quite stable in the upside down position so can hang there.
Definitely some design flaws here though, that need to be addressed.
I wonder why we haven't seen a video of it coming down yet. I don't get why these rides don't have a manual crank wheel for this exact reason.
I just cant imagine being stuck that high
Just gotta say I love the way you pronounce gondola! Lol
@@stonewallperformance that’s the way I do it
Would It Be Possible for a Discovery To get stuck or Swing Too High , talking abt the ones that dont fully invert
Nice video. I could be work but I think it a a Zamperla like a giant discovery but instead of that it is a discovery revolution. Idk though I don’t know everything. I know my home park have had at least rumor wise lots of trouble with the Gear box for there Giant discovery ride wich is named Black Widow. I haven’t seen it myself but I’ve heard of the Aero 360 at the same park, a Zamperla Hawk 48, stopping upside down back in 2022 but from what I remember from what I heard they must of had a pedicure for it because I think it was solved within the time span of 5 to 10 minutes
We had the hawk recovery under 10 min easy. Funny story, before my time, when the hawk was brand new, the 0 position was straight up and down vertical but upside down. I heard they added sensors and interrupted the program to find 0 drying a fault. Take that with a grain of salt because I think that was a BS story I was fed.
I'm genuinely surprised there isn't some sort of mechanism to prevent this from happening if the power fails. I obviously don't know how the inner workings operate but outside looking in it seems like this could be avoided with like a bump in the parts that control the rotation or something. Something that will allow it to flip but will ensure that it physically can't stay on the upside-down position.
17:47 Intamin Looping Starship. My most favourite flat ride!!!
They are fun
@@ryantheridemechanic yes they are. I personally think they are a better ride experience, as well as visually appealing, than any other looping flat ride
Bruh why there isn’t a system on the computer system that literally does a simple thing such as dividing that angle value it measures to value from a timer to derivate the angular speed and if it ever stays at zero for more than a set time, just ramp up the motors to a great level like 30-40 for it to escape being stuck.. Use a super capacitor or battery powered system so it activates automatically when power is lost
@@adakalyoncu1913 a lot of systems have something like this. But this one did not, park probably never found a reason to install one. Or ask for it from the factory.
how did they get them down thats sketchy
Ahh Typhoon 360 model. Never knew we had one in the US. More familiar with Soriani and SBF/Visa.
So typhoon is the trade name? Is that from technical park?
@@ryantheridemechanic yeah. I found it my Technical Park catalog when I got home.
My school had a field trip to oaks Park 4 days prior the stuck upside down thing. It made feel weird because i could've been one of those who got stuck.😅😅
This ride is a Zamperla Discovery Revolution 30.
Great Adventure had an Evolution( like this ride but gondolas) that wouldnt come down about ten years ago. The ride is still in operation at another park
Dosn't surprise me that they didn't have procedures this is a fairly newish ride to Oaks Park. I'm just glad my kid was not at Oaks Park that day.
What are dip and dots?
Aww, revolution at Great america! This is Jen on Ken's phone❤
I am wondering what happens to the body when you are upside down for 30 minutes. That couldn’t have been positive on their bodies!
From my understanding (talking with dr’s in the past,) mainly just uncomfortable. Could burst a blood vessel in the eye possible by personal health comes largely in the picture. High blood pressure makes things much worse of course.
@@ryantheridemechaniclol I googled it! The information I found says that your larger organs can compress your lungs! And your blood can pool causing blood clots and such. Your body can also handle about 15 minutes. I think they deserve dippin dots! lol 😂
@@christiwright3604 I’m going to have to make a chart when it ok to release dippin dots
@@ryantheridemechanic absolutely there can be no shades of gray!
it's not even Friday. what's going on?
The amusement industry keeps doing these things. For more of a current event I don’t think you all should have to wait till Friday. Consider it more of a news flash. Haha! Still have my usual out on Friday though!
I'm actually curious how it feels like to be up side down for that long LOL
All I can think of is the legs trying to come forward and down the whole time.
Great video
The number of times my daughter and I said 'stay off the air gates' this past weekend at Cedar Point would've made you proud! Someone actually broke Magnum XL200 by shaking the gates..then, later, Gemini got shut down for the same reason. Lol
Time to order a shirt! Youll probably get it by Saturday
@thisguy_w0n going through some things at the moment and, unfortunately, this isn't in the budget right now. Once my situation is resolved, you bet I'll be getting one!
I'm not sure if I'm getting jaded by the media and park goer whine about maintenance issues. My first response was restraints held. Second was it sucks to be upside down. Next response was maintenance will get it down or start a fun evac. Then I moved on another day at the park.
Same. But a lot of people kept hammering this one to me. So I figured, might as well.
Being upside down for to long is not good for the body. Eventually if you’re upside down for to long your organs will fail the heart has to work harder to pump the blood and your lungs start to feel pressure and your breathing can fail.
Yes but that takes like a day or so.
Rumor has it the fire department trained for this a few weeks before
I highly doubt it. Wouldn't the park also have been more prepared in that case?
That's why I like the old school hammer rides because they're manual driven by joystick and a clutch pedal that acts as a clutch and a break at the same time! All the way up to when they made the one that was 60 passenger 30 per side it took two operators to operate both arms those are the good rides these new rides are all electronic way too electronic I will take an old school ride that you can manually physically operate over a electronic one
The gondola i off balanced so this shouldn't happen. They should program it to not fault at the top with a limit switch.
I HIGHLY doubt it just so happened to perfectly balance itself upside down like that, especially with the passengers still spinning. It would've tipped one way or the other, wind, etc... This has got to be some hydraulic (maybe mechanical) lock up. Edit: Top comment operator bro said its likely because of the breaks.
I: worked at knotts, pony express never ran right I will wait to ride tt2
The look on your face when it happens... 🤣
Not gonna tolerate any unnecessary hate for Zamperla. But still kinda crazy this happened, whilst still showing every other safety system in the structure and restraints still worked as they should
Here’s what’s wrong with your take: The computer should recognize the stall is upside down and should automatically be programmed to properly attempt to push the ride one way or another to safely return it to the ground. Having to 100% rely on manual intervention or some procedure that is susceptible to human error and takes 25 minutes, even 5 minutes upside down is too long. Rethink this please.
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@12:12 😮
Yea not good
Oaks Park is a very old buy pretty safe park.
I get free Dippin Dots at my local park as a reward for going.
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Yea just like that haha
Gone Dola.
I'm over here like shunt trip
Hammerhead was fun.... Sucks they removed it.... Tasmanian Devil (Huss Frisbee) was my favorite pendulum ride....dare devil was not a fun time lol i talked mad shit to the operator and let's just say we got some "extra hang time" at the top of the loop lol
Small but fun. Have you been on wonder woman. That’s good. Not as tight as Taz was but get some good force.
@@ryantheridemechanicof course I have....I also used to ride VooDoo in my younger years 7-8 times without getting off lol and V2 back when it was actually vertical on both ends and the brakes still held you at the back spike
Wonder woman is basically Taz on Steroids lol
@@IAmAnonymyz then you have ridden the Zonga! That was a fun ride. Rough but fun.
@@ryantheridemechanic sadly I did experience THAT atrocity.... And I'm normally a fan of Schwartzkopfs but not THAT one. I was technically too tall as I think the max height was 72" and I'm 77 but I crammed myself in it and rode it. Tony Hawks Big Spin was a BLAST. We would be spinning 5x faster than anyone else because we figured out how to stack the weight to maximize momentum lol.
Crazanity was another credit I have that wasn't worth it. Loud, Rough, and over hyped
A simple accelerometer on the gondola would have prevented this 😂 and they only costs a quarter
I hope to god if this ride remains, it has or gets seat belts. They could potentially been life saving.
Are you still in the industry or have you moved on to something else?
Moved on. We had to relocate. Wasn’t what I wanted but it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Wouldn’t change. I’d work for a park again though, maybe, I’m used to weekends and holidays off now haha!!
Worked full time in the industry for nearly thirty years and another ten part time. Enjoyed it for the most part. Retired now but still get calls for advice
Rock n roller coaster impossible to get stuck upside down
12:14 wtf was that
That was a ride in India. Snapped clean in half mid cycle. That’s the stuff nightmares are made of. Honestly most crazy video I see come out of that area.
@@ryantheridemechanicthanks for the feedback. Now I have a new rabbit hole
Only complaint with this video is how you pronounce “Gondola”
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Within 5 to 10 minutes the ride should have been rescued.
Of course it had to happen at the only thrill park in my entire state. They have been looking to expand the park but they might have to postpone that if (when) the GP take the wrong lesson from this.
Won’t look good from the outside
This is y i dont do crazy ride smh. I hate heights or drops. N i don't do roller coasters. Even with slow and easy ride you have to be carful such as with Disneyland. I honestly only been to Disneyland and knotts. N when i was in middle school 6 flags. But fairs rides n 6 flags stuff like that no way jose. Smh. You hear of many death at these type of places and also common places such as Disney and knotts also 6 flags others. You just got to stay praying period about stuff like this. I heard about this story but i didn't look into until now.
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My Money is that ride is done due to attention it got. If the park can afford it they will sell it and drag in some other repainted ride. Or they rename it!! “ The Hanger”
One in a million chance
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If I saw this happen i would call 911 and help them
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