Is SpaceX Starlink Profitable Or Failing
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Is SpaceX Starlink profitable or failing? Many of you have asked me if you should consider buying into SpaceX Starlink Internet Service voicing fears of the company possibly failing.
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It is absolutely NOT failing. but it is also not profitable. How can both of these facts be true?
SpaceX charges Starlink for launch services and for the satellites. No matter how much Starlink makes, SpaceX can always charge more money than what Starlink makes.
If the value that SpaceX charges Starlink is disputed, SpaceX can compare their cost to literally any other launch provider and justify their charges.
The Starlink router is actually very good. I did add a eero router recently. Advertisers always pitching the newest is the safest similar to internet speeds. I guess I feel the eero router is more protection?
I bought into Starlink in October 2023. I NEEDED it!
Being mountain rural, I've had to endure Century Link high speed DSL at dial up speeds since 2006. No cell available either.
My property is at the furthest reach for the DSL repeater and dropped service all the time. Century Link didn't care. Still cost me $130/mth with landline. I've gone as long as over a month without internet during peak tourist (terrorist) season.
Yes, the upfront cost stung a bit. However, MY SANITY and homicidal ideations on random Lumen/ Century link execs is now abated.
I'm now in the modern tech era and am geeking out! Happy and at peace!
Thank you Elon and Starlink!
Century stink is not even broadband here at 10/760k. Won’t even deal with them.
There ain't even DSL in my neck of the woods bro, Starlink is a lifesaver!
Life altering.
just ran a speed test that includes Jitter. Results are
76 mbps down
15 mbps up
26 ms ping
5 ms JITTER !!!!!!
In eastern rural Texas Starlink is selling like hotcakes and and the customers are quite happy. The fact that it is stable (mainly low jitter) and the speeds are good enough for interactive video (zoom, google meetings, and such) allows reliable use for professional / work from home, use.
My wife is a US Patent attorney and has international clients. She works from a home office and Starlink has improved her situation tremendously, even though technically it is less throughput compared to what we had and discontinued, the fact that the QoS is better and reliable she can do more in less time and effort and even take on new client.
As the satellite consolation grows and improves it will only get better.
Not sure what these people mean by profitable, but I will tell you it is successful and will only get more so from every aspect.
I live in the mountains in Tennessee and sat internet is all we can get. I've had two other services both of which cost considerably more than Starlink and had very limited data and super slow speeds. Starlink is usually more than 10X faster and unlimited data is quite a bargain in comparison plus it has far fewer drop outs. Just my 2 cents worth
VIASAT and HughesNet can’t complete.
Same for me. Viasat and Hughesnet sucked.
I travel with Starlink in our Airstream now for several years and it has been a game changer on your travels. This system works perfectly for our needs. It is also allowing me to making my Airstream a smart RV with cameras, Alexa, Smart remote access thermostat and more. Love it, love it, and love it for sure.
Gotta love it when someone is successful, the inherited rich companies and journalism always try to find cracks in the new successful companies just because they have been surpassed by them .
I hope it does not fail. This is the only good choice here. I would have to go back to viasat or hughes
before I dropped dish I upped another 2 years and a tech came out and replaced my perfectly working dish with a new one an left the old one on the ground and left, they did not even want their own hardware back because it was "outdated" I had to take it to the dump
starlink satellite launchs is just the cost of refueling?
-cost of satellites fabrication and transport to the rocket
-cost to recuperation of the booster
-cost to refurbish and transport the booster
-cost to make the second stage (lost in each launch)
-cost to use and maintain all the ground stations
-cost of bandwith from others isps
-cost of permit and license in others countries plus vat taxes
-cost of general administration and assets depreciation
-marketing cost
-cost of research and devellopement
-cost of launch sites use and maintenance
-employe salaries.
I think the point was the 6.1 billion and that all covered and then some. Approx. 60% profit margin is the estimation.
and the fact the satellites only last 5 years and constantly need to be launched.
revenue and profit are 2 very different things.
A private company can disclose whatever they want- and they can fudge the numbers pretty easily.
is starship development included in this? Because elon has said starlink cannot work without starship…. They are very suspect.
Space x is notorious at hiding information from their investors.
and the fact the satellites only last 5 years and constantly need to be launched.
revenue and profit are 2 very different things.
A private company can disclose whatever they want- and they can fudge the numbers pretty easily.
is starship development included in this? Because elon has said starlink cannot work without starship…. They are very suspect.
Space x is notorious at hiding information from their investors.
They can make up whatever launch cost they want in either direction.
There is no way it’s profitable and they will never ipo for this reason-
Elon is almost never telling the truth.
Starlink is a scheme to keep the rocket grift going…
Starship success and implementation lowers the fixed cost for Starlink even more moving forward.
"Starship success" equals fantasy! And looking only at so called "fixed costs" only applies once all the development costs have been returned. Starship development costs make Falcon 9 look like chump change!! Starship is a shiny white elephant with an enormous appetite!
If Starship were operational today they would need to have hundreds of profitable launches for at least several years to pay off all the investment! Who is going to pay for all those launches??? Why would you use a semi-trailer truck to deliver pizza??? What customer would regularly use Starship's theoretical capabilities?
Starship was designed to be the system used to establish a Mars colony. Have you heard Congress talking about and seriously considering such a commitment?? Half the country doesn't even want to pay for the healthcare of its citizens!! These same people think global warming is a left wing conspiracy! And all of a sudden these folks are going to want to build a Mars colony??
And what good would a Mars colony be??? At the very best, it would be a place where a select group of people to wait it out for catastrophe to depopulate the Earth. Then they would return to Earth to try again, because it would be the only viable place to go that could be reached.
Absolutely!!!!
@@professorg8383
Professor of cafeterias?
@@PlanetEarth3141 LOL! What a lame response!! Is that the best you can do?? Obviously you are fairly young and have a lot to learn.
Grow up a bit! When you read or hear something you don't want to hear or that challenges what you believe, trying to attack the individual doesn't solve anything. Instead, ask question to try to understand. Ask questions of yourself regarding your own beliefs. Recognize that their are a lot of people who know better than you do. Learn to separate reality from fantasy no matter how appeal fantasy tends to be.
BTW, I am a real professor and an electrical engineer with a broad education in physics, mechanical engineering and most technical sciences. Many, many years of experience. I also have a pretty good grasp on economics which is as much about human nature as it is te math we use to describe it!! It is not a science in the true sense, but the core principles are very much based in math. Despite motivations and perceptions, in the end, things need to add up!
I am also a student in the broad sense, in that I believe one should never stop learning. But often what you learn is not always obvious. Recognize what you don't know and use logic to reveal what may not be obvious.
@@professorg8383The last starship launch was not a success...
Thanks!
Patrick. Thank you so very much for your kindness. Appreciate it! Blessings.
I wish SpaceX to go public
Now starlink needs to take over the GPS biz
They plan to split Starlink off in an IPO but with the "hare-brained" mission of making humanity multiplanetary, Musk cannot risk exposing SpaceX to the whims of shareholders who could sue for "wasting money" on Mars Colonization.
Likewise.
I hope Starlink keeps getting better and better as it is the only way I can get good internet access as I live in the middle of the Amazon.
I now love my starlink, after a very rough start. I think the Tesla mesh network is a great idea, especially when they have to sit at chargers for an hour or so. put the charging time to good use.
thanks for your explanation it's promising news
I have it and it's great, plus the router puts out a very strong signal.
ONE MORE THING IT'S BOOM NOT BOON
It's actually "Boon". Look it up.
Thank doc.
Yeah, the biggest unknown are the launch costs. They're sure not just the cost of refuelling. The second stage is not re-used. I figure it costs at least $1M, and possibly several million. Also, retrieving the first stage from down range with a drone ship isn't free either. If I had to guess, all in, a launch probably costs on the order of $10M. Of course that's by far the lowest cost in the launch industry, but it's not insignificant either.
Remember that Starllink has industrial customers, such as cruise ships, that probably pay much more.
He is more likely to succeed vs competition as he owns his own rocket company. I have used land based internet for years. Nice to have satellite based internet. People brag about internet speed like horsepower in cars. How much do you really need? I recently relocated to a new city. Grabbed my star link from my old house and set up immediately in my new house. Instant internet. Love it.
The problem of Starlink is its still more expensive than regular city internet so almost no one use it if they are in the city, that just make it viable to those who live or travel in isolated areas that has no internet. But those kind of people are very very few. Unless they can make Starlink cheaper to use in city compared to other competitions, bare growth will be seen.
I work in west Texas oilfields. Its everywhere out here. Thousands of them. I own 3.
I did an oil rig company, setting up many of them into a mesh network just a few months back.
Here in southern Spain we can rent the satellite dish (version 2) for 10 € a month. I chose this option (as version 4 with faster speeds is not yet available in Spain).
The monthly fee is 40 €, however the the Spanish government creatively added a Regulatory Fee of another 10 €. This fee does however not apply to competing ISPs (i.e. 5G, fiber). I suspect there will be a EU lawsuit coming shortly.
I hope so.
Starship is the only way this gets to be profitable. And that's if Starship could actually launch its original announced payload weight, which it can't (just announced). So, will Starlink survive another 5 years, which is how long it will take Starship to lower launch coasts enough to make the maintenance costs of the Satellite network profitable? I have my doubts. I would expect the Government to put a bunch of money into Starlink if it were about to go under, like they did Iridium, because at that point, the Federal Government gets access to the network, which would be invaluable for the Military. It's really less about is it profitable, and more about will it expand enough to give people the speeds they expect? Or will it turn into a government funded network that consumers get so-so speeds in congested cities?
Launch cost includes entire second stage which is currently expendable b4 Starship. Only fairings are recovered from 2nd stage..
Great video
Thanks John.
I have had wifi in my ford vehicles for many years. I think it may pick up hot spots or satellite while traveling. I did connect starlink in my truck.
Your truck is almost certainly using cellular.
A 120 a month, I wish. I have the remote service (RV) and pay $150 a month. The only advantage is I can pause the service during certain times of the year.
Comcast doesn’t “give” their modems away anymore. They strictly lease modems ($15/month) or you can bring your own.
Southwest Airlines is already hanging Starlink antenna on their birds.
I regret not purchasing Tesla at the start; I won’t repeat that mistake with SpaceX.
Currently my starlink is in a fixed position.( With the tracking motor) and they really shouldn't have gotten rid of that I think. I am extremely satisfied with starlink. I can do everything I used to do with Comcast cable. I had no problem purchasing the equipment and installing it myself. I honestly believe it's worth the money. In my opinion it will only improve from here.
The StarLink infrastructure is still being built. The eventual standardization of the Star Ship will result in 15X the number of SL satellites per launch 🚀 which will rapidly aid in completing the constellations.
The fact that both militaries and 5G cellular networks will also utilize SL ensures profitability as the network matures. The current cost merely reflects the “early adopter premium” phenomena.
SL is above the atmospheric and ground based disaster damage effects. Physically it is not easy to cut or tap. EMP will always be a risk, but satellites may be hardened, and ground based communications are likewise affected.
Would like to have it but it is to expensive. Same or more than ground based stuff for about the same speeds
I bought Starlink, even though I get Internet from an antenna on a ridge about 10 km away specifically because it was intended to provide a revenue stream for the Mars colonization effort. I was pleased to hear/see their announcement a few months back that Starlink had crossed the break-even point. If that's somehow not the case, I fully expect it will be.
Likewise!! Very exciting.
Just moved back to T-Mobile internet after a few months with Starlink. This time I used my business to get T-Mobile business internet which comes with better hardware and better priority. The $120 a month for Starlink is just a bit too much when I can get T-Mobile which has speeds ranging from 300-500 mbps down. I will keep my hardware for when we buy an RV though!
How much are you paying for business class T-Mobile.
@@jcristina $60 per month
they must have seen a video....a couple weeks ago my rural Maine monthly fee was listed at $90 but now that price is gone and back to the regular fee of 120... hmmmm I should have pulled the trigger then but now I will have to wait and see again
Let us know.
Why doesn't Starlink add tax to the fee? Taxes vary by locality but the fee remains the same for everybody?
Hey J, what's that office chair you use?
Please note that you are not taking into account the fact that Starlink can provide cellular signal to any phone, anywhere soon
Starlink is going to be succesful. Simply because it has little competition in many internet requirements. The business needs to push on subscription. Uk has a half price hardware. This is a snare tempter for subscription. It worked with me. The subscription is effectively one trip to the petrol station or shopping for two. Not that much really. If you think in that terms.
When starship will be a success ( hopefully within 6 months) then in a single trip they will be able to launch 2000 starlink satellites. So, I can predict very easily that Starlink will a huge success .
Regarding vpn's. If I'm using starlink. Do I really really need one ? It's not like I'm using some coffee shop Wi-Fi. During my travels.
Maybe I missed something, but here’s a question. Who says that selling the equipment at $500 is a loss? Maybe it’s break even or maybe even a slight profit.
Why not put antennas on their solar panels and an external antenna jack on the Tesla so one can park the car inside and still use the car’s electronics for internet.
I have Starlink a love hate relationship with it. I love the service but hate the fact that I have a government funded 0:15 fiber internet company less than a mile away that has not or may not come down my road and service its community.
As soon as I get fiber, I cutting my Starlink “cord”.
I think SpaceX Starlink is here to say and I'm sure they are significantly profitable. One cost of launching their satellites that I don't recall hearing someone factor in, is the cost of the second stage that is not reusable. I don't know that cost, but I've seen estimates of $9 million (you may have factored that in, I may not have heard it). Even with that added in, I think they are still getting satellites into space dirt cheap.
IOT..cracked❤
I hope Elon does starlink on MARs
Do you think starlinks upload speed will get better ? I currently sit around 15mbps most of the time with 5 devices constantly connected even in light rainy days and i mean i can live stream on twitch using canadian servers which somehow give a 90/100 quality while others are wayyy lower but i am just curious on this from watching other videos and you seem the most knowledgeable out of them all, i would like for them to get around 30 mbps consistently even with 5 devices so i could live stream and others can watch shows and i live in what i would say very rural, only around 200 people live where i live
Watching Starling grow over time, all I see are many changes, indicating it is still a work in process. That's what it looks like to me. T-Mobiile is working well enough for now.
Hey I have had starlink now for 2 weeks, and I just now ordered a roof mount can I move my dish from my setup location and put it on top of my house?
As long as it is near by.
@@jcristina for example I have it in my backyard currently, and the new location i plan on moving it to is around 20ft away and on top of my roof.
I think the Gen 4 terminals are cheaper without the drives.
Yep. No motors / actuators.
I liked Starlink but I can no longer afford the monthly fee. I hope the rate will come down someday, as I believe in the service. In the meantime I'll put up with lower speed land service, which will have to do. I'll keep watching your videos in the hope that someday prices will come down. I trust you'll keep us informed of any possible future price reduction.
One way to get Starlink and a lot of other stuff for less is to move to a third-world country. I pay $60/mo in Ecuador for instance. My food bill (single person) is typically less than $100/mo.
Fingers crossed. I hope the price comes down for you.
I have the round dish the first one and my speeds are getting slower and slower. I contacted them and they are sending me a newer one. I have to go with Starlink. It’s the only thing I have around here..
Wow. That’s very nice.
I think Starlink is and will be profitable. That said, I do believe they will have pricing pressure, and eventually the cost for monthly service will settle around $75. Then the only way to grow the business will be to gain additional subscribers.
One thing everyone seems to not consider is Starship. Once it is up and running, SpaceX can launch hundreds of satellites per vs 40 or so now with Falcon 9. The constellation build out will advance by leaps and bounds. This constellation is in its infancy much like GPS was in the 1980's and look where GPS has gone in the last 40 years. Same with cell phones, wireless - these all started out clunky but given time and Moore's Law, they have advanced by leaps and bounds to where they are common place. SpaceX is staking out territory in the new world. It will be interesting to see if they can hold onto it.
Not relevant to your subject here but maybe answer later. My newest update to Starlink software declares that they don't want you to use a VPN anymore. And literally the speed is much reduced when doing so. I am in Mexico and sometimes a VPN is necessary. Your thoughts please.
Please contact me through the website
JCristina.com as I’ve never seen the message.
You or THEY didn't account for the business hardware sales..those sell more than '$499'..let's do the math on that too
Is starlink going to fail?
The mesh comment is nonsense.... Its not a city based solution ... its a everywhere else solution. Cities would overwhelm the satelites even with a tiny fraction using them. Cars and their comms fine
I think the company was failing there wouldn't be lowering the prices
Starlink is peaking IMO. The price is just too high and I think we will start to see slowing subscriber growth. I for one have the option of T Mobile internet and going back.
Did you hear about T-Mobile offering a 160 a month fixed wireless plan to supposedly better compete with starlinks 150 dollar plan
Reusable rockets are not much cheaper than disposable ones.
That makes zero sense not building a new 747 after every flight has reduced that cost in airline flight cost. Not having to build a new first stage with 9 motors every flight has saved how much? Some boosters are being reused over 20 times! You should check your math.🤔
@@michaeldautel7568
A rocket is not a 747!
There is a reason why SpaceX keeps the real cost saving a secret!
In rockets the last 10% of fuel is most effective because the rocket is very light at this point. If you have to reserve the last 10% of fuel for landing, you can only use about halve of the original payload.
Additionally reusability makes the rocket more expensive and more error prone.
@@niederrheiner8468 apparently it works for SpaceX to put star link into their orbits. The concept of 1 use in a 747 is an indication of how stupid the idea is. The real problem is no one else seems to be able to land the first stage so it is easier to claim it is cheaper to destroy it than reuse it. SpaceX is the Worlds largest provider to get things into orbit. So your last 10% of fuel blah,blah,blah excuse is just that an excuse. As to reusability making them more error prone that also appears NOT to be the case. 🤔
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SpaceX charges Starlink for launches and satellites. No matter what Starlink makes, SpaceX can always charge more for the launches and sats to show a net loss. Starlink will always operate at a loss and that is a good thing.
Starlink is funding for Starship.
100%
Hopefully SpaceX will NEVER go public. Elon Musk is a real and very rare visionary. Being hobbled by stockholders driving from the backseat will be detrimental to all of us.
Starlink equipment expensive? Try buying a marine stabilized satcom antenna, and see how far $600.00 gets you. (No where!)
There going to a limited when everyone has their Starlink and there sale or going down. Just like there car they loosen money. How much money does it take to make this satellite
Good question.
Yeah, $120/month is expensive but I don't have any alternatives. Not going back to CenturyStink sloooooow DSL and none of the cell phone companies offer LTE in my area. Had a shady LTE reseller for a couple of years and always had the fear of being dropped. Rumors of Starlink failure just seem like FUD from the Elon haters.
Amazon will be available before we know it.
Likewise. Few alternatives.
Hey JC, love the info on the channel. But could you maybe spread out the "commercial" you always have at the beginning? You average over 3.5 minutes into the episode before you even talk about the subject. As a regular watcher, it gets old. Thanks
Comcast rents their modem
At $120 a month, I certainly hope so. At some point you price yourself out of the market.
Not cheap I know!
in big towns and cities.. maybe. Where I am?? 120 was buying me a landline i DID NOT WANT.. and 16 mps...... and because my kid games ( he is handicapped) we had to have TWO of those lines installed. NO OTHER OPTION is available out here. We just installed StarLink.... for 120 a month PERIOD.... I just speed tested art 212 mps....And it supplies to ALL THREE of our computers. No more second service. . Too expensive? HARDLY!!!
First here
Thanks for watching!
When i saw your title I was a bit worried because I have been saying the same thing for a couple years now. What Elon is doing at SpaceX is revolutionary and I wish I had a way to buy stock in it. I don’t care if they are giving away those receivers, he’s sitting on a gold mine and nobody can touch him.
starlink would make the dishes for next to nothing
120 a month is outrageous, I would even buy the service if it was half that, I am on a 2gb fiber connection from cox, but I wouldnt mind having that for the hell of it
SL isn't for customers like you. No offense intended.
Amazon was unprofitable for 9 years!! 😮😮😮
Very good Idea for Tesla hub but not in China 😁neither in Russia 🤣
No doubt SpaceX is highly profitable. Us lowly internet consumers are just a small piece of the profit pie. No doubt SpaceX profits will dramatically increase in the future. Good for them, but when is all this profit going to translate into lower cost for the consumer?
Starlink is BEYOND profitable and amazing! If you have worries about it then go somewhere else! Please!
Its too bad political signaling is mixed with the technology signaling.
Sad
Limited use. I have it, but getting rid of it cause 5g is now faster and more reliable.... AND cheaper. Half the cost.
If there wasn’t making money, he would take the companies public so it’s just a bunch of people I don’t like him talking shit
In France its 225$ for the hardware since several weeks (-50%) and 45$/50$ per month. Bloomeberg and Reuters are against Elon so they are against Space X, Tesla, X... A lot of Wall Street dont understand Elon, here in France its the same.
Elon will be as transparent as Trump is *cough*
(I am an Elon fan, I am NOT a Trump fan)
Thanks Bear.
Looks like Elon is gaining distractors every day. Why do successful people start accumulating distractors every day?
Detractors. They are distracting, but it’s “detractors”.
Nothing like a psychopath shutting down earthbound astronomy. Muskrat is a horrible person.
You're spot on about Starlink and Tesla, its just the beginning, 👍🏻 and
Bloomberg is a total joke
As long as American national security is a thing, Starlink gonna be way fine.
Good point.