Is Tithing Optional or Required for Mormons?
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2024
- Is tithing optional? Sort-of… in a certain manner of speaking. But to claim it’s entirely optional? That seems very disingenuous to me. Maybe honesty is also optional (;
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Optional? Hardly…. Unless you want to be mercilessly shamed and pushed to the fringe, it’s not optional.
When I was a Mormon, tithing was "optional" in the same way that breathing is "optional"... No one lies like a Mormon embarrassed about their beliefs.
“Your Honor, it wasn’t theft, because he handed over the money voluntarily.”
“You had him at gunpoint.”
“Yeah, but he chose to give, didn’t he?”
They need to stop saying it’s optional, cause it really isn’t and everyone can see that
It's called lying for the Lord!
No tithing, no temple. No temple, no Celestial Kingdom. No Celestial Kingdom, No family after you die. If you don't pay tithing you will be separated from your family forever. Talk about coercion!
No able to attend family member’s weddings and the shame of that
@@YogiTheBearMan ah yes I forgot that part.
No companion means all of what you said is pointless
Then why does the Church seal couples and children together after they’ve passed way? Those people never would have paid tithing would they?
@@Kyle68655 They are dead, the church can't get money from them, "sealing them" is for the living. It is part of the grift to keep getting the living's money.
The doctrine states that if you heard of the gosple and rejected it ,in life, you can't goto the celestial kingdom, closing the loophole of "I won't pay and someone will do my work for me after I die."
Sure...it is optional. And that's why every year your leadership will ask you about it and present a statement of how well you've been optionally complying.
Ugh money money money, it should be the first big red flag 🚩
For my never-mormon husband, it was the first red flag. If he hadn't pointed it out to me, I might have never left Mormonism. So glad he helped me have some personal realizations. Once I started questioning things, I went in the rabbit hole and ended up officially resigning.
The last time the ward with my records reached out to me, it was to set up a tithing settlement meeting (after not attending for more than a year) 😂
“It is totally optional because everyone free agency.” I hate that argument to make the church not look so crazy.
"it's just that everything else you do is virtually meaningless if you don't give the church its due, so pay up!"
I'm sorry BUT THE CHURCH IS CRAZY !!!
Optional? haha. Once you've passed a commitment milestone (baptized, active) you quickly learn that God restored the "church" to give us those temple rituals. Tithing is required for this. Remember, they teach that tithing is 10% of your gross.
Yes, the whole tithing thing needs an update to our time. Though I've been a faithful tithing payer for 22 years, I'm now in a difficult spot and feel very left our in the cold, and have always thought about and tried to help those that couldn't. We need compassion in the update. Point 2, I believe Joseph F. Smith said that once the church had enough self-sustaining money, we wouldn't need to pay tithing. 100s of billions now sit in funds. The church needs to follow through on its promise. You have raised an important concern.
LOL I read this as "Is Thinking Optional or Required for Mormons?"
Now that, unlike tithing, is in fact optional. Although . . . not recommended.
Thinking is actually a sin.
Lol, not far off!
It’s not optional. If the option is feeding your family or paying tithing it’s not optional. If the option is paying your tithing or burning in the last days it’s not optional. And to the biblical point the Bible says tithing is for the poor not to be taken from the poor. And finally, if tithing is required just own up to it. Stop hiding it from new converts till after baptism or ‘lying for the Lord’ to make it palatable. Rant over, thank you for listening.
If your church answers your questions with anything but straight answers, you should really ask why.
Gotta keep adding to those BILLIONS 🤷🏻
From Italy: if you don't pay tithing you can not be baptized, can not receive the priesthood, can not serve in church callings, can not enter the temple. Depending of the bishop (wise or taleban) you may attend Sunday meetings, partake of the sacrament, give talks and prayers. After life you will go to a Terrestrial kingdom. Of course you can choose to comply or not, but you are not a true mormon if you don't pay tithing.
It's interesting how today's version of tithing isn't biblical. There's no such thing as a biblical tithe received from earned wages. However religious institutions can make their own rules for their membership. Most of them mainly want your money.
Well.....that not exactly true. The biggest difference between the Bible and now is that tithing (as referred to in Malachi) was really a tax for being part of the nation--there was no church as we have it. There were also other monetary requirements depending on who you were and what year it was. For some, your tithing/tax could have been upwards of 20-30 percent. For other, the poor for example, were exempt from giving as they had nothing.
No such biblical thing? It's mentioned several times in the Bible in one form or another. You're playing semantics.
"Tithing" means one tenth, and it's derived (in an agrarian society) from the fruits of the field
Abraham paid one tenth of all. (Gen 14:20)
@@ChrisRobison Correct. Biblical, systematic tithes were taxes, just not received as money. There were three tithes; the Levitical tithe (received annually except for the 7th year) the poor tithe (received every 3 years) and the festival tithe (presumed annual). All of them were received as consumable items through either the tithe of the land or the tithe of the herd. While there were also likely monetary taxes, such as the temple tax, there's no biblical evidence that compulsory tithe(s) were ever received from earned wages.
@@jamesbaldwin7676 Specifically, there's no mention of a tithe received from earned wages in the Bible, yet it's evident money was widely traded and wages were earned during those times. There's also no biblical remedy for receiving systematic (compulsory) tithes as money, with the possible exception of the land tithe redemption, and there was a penalty for doing so.
Yes, "tithe" means "tenth" and while it's logical that the society was primarily agrarian during biblical times, there were also merchants, tradesmen, fisherman, builders, etc... who earned wages.
Yes, Abraham (Abram at the time) submitted a tenth of war spoils that he declared he wouldn't keep as an honorarium to Melchizedek. There's no biblical evidence this submission was required by God or that he ever "tithed" any of his personal wealth.
Honest question: do the high rank members pay, or just ask? Because I don't belive for a second that the jw governing body is paying anything. (I'm an ex jw, btw)
That is a great question! But I highly doubt it.
I’ve read that the top leaders exempted themselves from paying tithing in the late 1800s. Don’t know where I read it.
To be fair, Henry Eyring, Mormon apostle, had his paystub leaked years ago. A note on his paystub made it appear that he was paying offerings of some sort. I don’t believe they are required to pay, and I don’t believe many of them do.
The high ranking church members get paid from the tithing money (200k-300k+ a year last I heard). They don't pay into it.
After the leaders get their second anointing bin the temple, they no longer have to “earn” temple recommend.” And they don’t have to repent of anything ever again and get their “calling and election made sure.” The top of the hierarchal corporate church pyramid does not pay tithing.
Tithing is NOT optional! When I was Mormon, it was the most important non negotiable commandment. More important than “love one another,” which isn’t on the temple recommend questions like tithing is
I know I've asked this before, but how does the church know what 10% of your income is? Is it based on the honor system or do they have forms like the IRS where you declare your income and they have ways of checking it to make sure you have the right amount?
it's supposed to be on the honor system, but i've heard people say they've been confronted for not submitting documents to prove that they're "full tithe payers."
Mostly honor system... But in Utah there was a good chance your boss was Mormon too so don't assume they won't know
There's a yearly interview with directly with the bishop explicitly about your income and tithing.
Many bishops will ask you to bring your tax records to verify. Many bring them without having to be asked as proof of them.
They ask how much you make an hour or what your salary is and do the math from there. If you don't do the exact dollar amount. They deny you of a temple recommend.
You promise to give the church everything in the temple so yeah…tithing is a prerequisite to committing ALL of your time, talents, possessions to the church.
Love how you quote the church directly, but since you're pointing out things Mormons don't want to hear... I love your beautiful strength.
Good scare tactic for membership fees 🥴
Very well said. Thank you for that.
My parents were not allowed to attend my sisters wedding until they made up so off their past due tithing. I think after lots of tears and conversations, the bishop compromised and let them get away with 3 months worth of tithing.
My mother still pays tithing but she also has received more than she's paid - and I don't mean spiritual goo, the church has paid bills (even part of her mortgage) , food, etc. - BUT -
The church doesn't give nearly as much in charity as what a lot of members think either. Another exmo dug up the stats (I don't remember the exact figures), and the church gives less in charity than most non-religious charities. They help people like my mother and contribute enough so they can say, "See, we're justified in tax exemption, we really are a charitable 'non-profit' and better than other churches."
If you looked at it as a corporation, you'd say it's on par with donations and profits made by other, for-profit corporations. But that's a whole other rant.
So yes, tithing is a requirement. The goal of being a member isn't just to avoid excommunication. There are potential benefits. It may even be beneficial to learn at a young age to look at your money in percentages and budget to donate 10% (that doesn't have to be done through a church or threat of failing to get to the highest Celestial glory though).
So why do I mention all this?
Frankly, the church exists, it's not going to disappear over night and tithing is still basically going to be a requirement; therefore, people should be actively demanding more from the church in monetary compensation. They always talk about how their values and standards are superior; they should walk the walk and be held to at least the same standards as secular charities.
And if your family can't buy groceries as a result of paying tithing (like mine), oh well.... And food from the Bishop's store house is NOT the same quality or choice in items as food stamps. Food stamps offer way more options, are better quality, and are just overall better! And that's if the bishop is kind enough to DECIDE whether or not he WANTS to help you out with food. Simply not being able to afford groceries is not in and of itself enough of a reason to qualify for church charity.
Money has always been the most important thing within this church
I was given a Book of Mormon!
Now I can read along with Aron-Ra's Joseph's Myth series.
I'd love to see ExMo Lex make an appearance there.
Few years back I was trying to change careers cus of physical ailments. My wife is disabled so we were struggling financially. RS Pres was great and was sending in Bishop store house orders for us, the Bishop gave us a few months worth no problem but eventually wanted us to start paying tithing again before he would approve any more orders cus you know I’m sure that’s what Jesus would do.
It's like saying breathing is "optional". You don't HAVE to breath. It you don't you'll die, but no one is forcing you to breathe.
When do you start paying the tithing. If you are a student or missionary do you pay? What happens if you hit financial difficulties? Is there help for members who need finacial help if they've lost their job or they are farming and get wiped out in a storm, or medical bills in the US take most of their money?
Also if you make no income you don't have to pay tithing! But yeah no optional!
I think they still require something, considering if you're in abject poverty, they still want 10%.
This is a very valid point.
Besides the point: I really like your plants.
Hence, this is why it’s called a CULT!!
It’s optional the way all other commandments are (not optional)
This argument is just odd, as a nevermo. Like, you can’t go TO THE TEMPLE if you don’t pay your tithing. The place where important religious ceremonies take place. Obviously it’s pay-to-play.
I worked with a LDS member who told me his ward invoiced him for his share of operating costs (for lack of a better phrase) once a year.
Is this common?
It’s interesting learning this.
But but but…
You can buy anything in this world for money, including access to the next one
We thank thee O god for a profit…I mean prophet.
Huh weird, it never felt optional for us. I was a CHILD and I had to tithe. Nothing like giving 10% of your birthday money to a church.
I feel like dis is probably some legal loophole, especially since, as far as I know, religions entities r supposed to be non profit. N 2: either I don't fully believe in da doctrine, as in u don't believe in da 2nd comin, in which case y r u a member of a church u don't believe in. Or 2 u pay tithing, dat feels like a requirement.
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This issue really does cause a conflict in me. Because I can see how donating a portion can help other members that are struggling. But I also see that the church opened a failed insurance company and a Mall? Also with their most recent SEC fine, it makes me wonder if it's more like a street mob making us pay "protection fees if we want to keep our kneecaps." I'm also open to reading sources and researching the statistics on how the church helps people in poverty but isn't their efforts lower than other organizations? Which if there's a good reason for that fair enough, but again this has turned into a conflicting issue, I don't know what Christ would think of using tithes to open a mall or insurance company.
No need to feel conflicted. They give very little if any of your tithe to the struggling. That comes from your extra fast offering (I've heard). And there is a good reason that they don't tell you the percentage that they give to charities. It's because they would be horribly embarrassed but especially it might cause you to give less, and since the business model of the church is simply to have you give money so you can go to heaven, they can't have you holding back - or even wondering if they are doing good things with your money. Your job is to pay, pray, obey.
What's wrong with being a terrestrial or even telestial member not focused on climbing the celestial ladder? After all either of those "kingdoms" is better than anything we can imagine ) and we "receive" according to the desires of our hearts ... I'm basically advocating for being a healthy happy social mormon - and that can vary in its shape and form.
I want my tithing back ... I gave it under the coercion and brainwashing of fear ... besides, I want to buy my own island, and that tithing should be plenty and then some ... maybe an airplane ... and still have plenty of money left
My brother in law, a TBM, say that you do a self-reporting as to whether or not you are a full tithe paper. So, that makes it easy, even for me as a never-mormon. I would put ZERO in whatever basket gets passed down the pew or whatever, and I would list myself as a full tithe payer. This seems simple. Also, I don't give to the fast offering, perpetual education fund, temple fund, or missionary fun, and I don't put anything in the giving machines. Dang, being mormon is easy, or at least cheap. So, that's one part that I've passed for the temple recommend. What else is on that list ?
its literal manipulation. im on a fixed income and they still want it from me yet in the New Testament Jesus says yes to tithe but not before the important thing. if the church focuses on the gospel shouldn't that be what is taught from tithing. you are supposed to be a "cheerful giver" hence the word giving. but it so crappy because I feel like I have to pay into going to heaven. what's the point of sealing then. if you literally can't pay tithe they lie about spending eternity with your family
Yup! She 's 100%right
I do understand the points conveyed here in the comments section so I say this. Remember, that Father Abraham paid tithing and we are commanded to do so as well. The LDS church gave over 96M USD in aid to over 100 countries last year. Can anyone name another church or organisation that did the same with no paid leadership or ministry? Remember that everything temporal here on earth also has a spiritual counterpart, including tithing. It must be done willingly not begrudgingly. Yes tithing is optional. The Lords church does not actually need your money...but you need the blessings that come with paying a full tithe. I gladly pay my tithing and my life has been richly blessed.
Exactly.
Tithing is like home insurance policies. Look at Mormon history. In the 1850s, Mormons' houses caught on fire. Something about the meridian fault earthquake?
Yea it’s a optional if you don’t mind not being in “good standing” meaning no callings, not being asked for prayers basically not being treated as a full member and men being unable to use their “priesthood” to do anything for their families. Oh and you can forget about getting any assistance from the church
lds when i tell them we are not bound to the old covenant so we are not required to pay tithing, but, instead, give what we can from our heart and not for obligation 🤯
if you dont want to give, and you give because you have to, then you are a hypocrite; if you give, and you do it because you feel in your heart thats what you want to do, then you have won everything
What does god need with worldly money? What could he possibly spend it on in the celestial kingdom? Does the bishop personally hand it to him lol?
Is "tithing settlement" annual meeting w the bishop still a thing? (what a lie to suggest tithing isn't obligatory.)
Even if the settlement is a thing (I'm not sure, I'm not mormon ), you get to tell the bishop that you are a full tithe payer. That's what I would do and any of the other things to get the temple recommend (that I'd never go to). It's just part of the game - for appearances
I guess technically everything in the church is optional. If you want to be a perfectly faithful member who follows the actual teachings of the church, and if you want to be in the "best" heaven with your family, though, nothing is optional. Tithing, garments, word of wisdom... all requirements. 🥴
It’s the Lord’s Ponzi scheme
LDS Mormonism is a crappy underwear/Family after you die, MLM. The only difference is you birth your downline!
It's optional for me. personally, those destined to "the highest level of heaven" aren't those I'd choose to be associated with.
We never get shamed about anything and the only tme the bishop knows if we pay thithing is if we go for a temple recommend and if we dont pay it its ok our choice the bible tells us we will be blessed when we pay our thithing and i have always paid mine and never wanted if we have money problems the church help us
Not if you want a temple recommend or bless your kids.
In the bible, tithing was a Temple Tax that Jews paid, in the NT, offerings were asked for, not a tithing.
The Bible also tells us that if we go to the bathroom in our own house, God will disown you.
What does God need with money? Well, what does God need with a starship?
Amazing at how many places you found showing that in the Mormon church tithing is “optional” 🤦🏼♀️😂
So what I am understanding, after you go thru the temple, go ahead and pay a tithing to whatever church you want because 1) you made it to the temple and took out your endowments, and 2) you are still paying tithing. Also #3 to your answers to the person who doesn't pay but got a recommend, this can happen if you are in a marriage where the husband/wife will not allow it to be paid and the Bishop allows the non working spouse to go anyway.
Fire insurance 😂yeah, let's not forget that insurance is a business aimed at making a profit first and foremost 😂
Yeah, just like it's "optional" to follow the law of the land and rob someone, speed, drive while intoxicated, etc., etc., but there are consequences for choosing that "option."
I hate analogies...
That said, this is like insisting that putting petrol in your automobile is optional. If you want to drive the damned thing, you better fuel it.
Yes, I chose to run my vehicle up to Qwik Trip today to put gasoline in my Subaru.
It was a choice, really.
marcus
What if you are on disability or Social Security since those two are not considered income! Let me know.
You are correct, don't pay tithing on those. And go ahead and report yourself as a full tithe payer. You don't have to ask your bishop or anyone for the answer. Ask yourself. And if you are getting Soc Sec and disability, I am betting you are not wealthy. The church is wealthy - they have $300 BILLION in assets and there are only about 4 Million active mormons in the world so they have $75,000 from each of those 4 million. There are plenty of temples already.
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Is it before taxes or after taxes. Since the church itself does not pay taxes. SHAMEFUL!
I'm guessing you are also not a TBM or even mormon. If that's true, you might like this George Carlin 10 minute stand up - not about the mormons, but the whole thing in general ruclips.net/video/8r-e2NDSTuE/видео.html
Well technically tithing is optional but required to have the full “benefits “ of the program
Tithing is not optional for full participation in the Church (and is considered a matter of eternal consequence, as pointed out here).
What most people don’t know, however, is that members have immense latitude in determining what amount is considered “full.” This was established in crystal clear terms through the 1970 First Presidency letter, but it’s rarely mentioned despite still being actively referenced as the basis for current policy. Check it out, people!
If they know about that letter, sure.
I was born in 77. All I ever had drummed into my skull was “a full tithe is 10% of gross” and “do you want gross blessings or net blessings? Don’t pay tithing on net”. I did not have latitude to decide what a full tithe was because I was only ever taught one thing, and the elders quorum teacher never broke out his copy of an obscure 1979 letter when he was teaching about tithing. Making sure all members know they have latitude would be a huge step in the right direction for the church.
@@HomestarJr yep. “Gross blessings/net blessings” is a major problem. Not only is it pushed explicitly at the local level, but the GC speakers regularly speak only of the faith to pay.
The FP Letter is and isn’t obscure. It’s the authoritative basis for the Church’s policy which anyone can access online-but while it’s very much in active use, it hardly gets referenced. Bishops and SPs also aren’t trained on it.
It’s a significant indicator just how much pharisaical tendencies have taken root in leadership.
@@HomestarJr I made a typo on the date. It’s 1970.
@@aBrewster29 if I search “first presidency 1970 letter” on the church website, the first search result is a blurb from the 2008 new era regarding whether one should pay tithes before or after taxes. The first paragraph answer says the church understands “one tenth of all their interest annually” as income, and refers to the presidency letter in question. There is no footnote, no link to the source document, which is problematic.
Second paragraph does say that how you define your income is between you and the Lord, which sounds great until they expound on it saying that you should possibly consider gifts and scholarships as additional income while considering taxes as deductions to income. If anything, this letter which could have clarified what tithing is and isn’t was used to muddy the waters.
The second search result was an Oaks GC address titled “Tithing”. The talk also referenced the letter without linking to a source document. Oaks quoted the part of the letter that said tithing was 10% of our income, skipped over all the latitude giving parts, and went straight to the “No one is justified in making any other statement than this” making it appear that the 1970 letter was not about latitude, it was about paying a strict 10% on income.
I agree with you, this letter is, and isn’t obscure. It’s not obscure because it has been referenced in modern church publications. It is obscure because the actual document isn’t easy to find, and because an apostle (among other GAs) used it out of context to teach tithing in a way that kind of contradicts the spirit of the letter the way it should be understood. That letter could free thousands of struggling members from feeling like they have to watch their kids starve to pay God. It makes me sad that church leaders would rather exact their pound of flesh from those members than give them latitude to pay what they think they can afford and still feel accepted by their leaders.
@@HomestarJr I read that second paragraph differently-seems to me they’re openly encouraging members to make their own choice about such things.
You hit it on the head though-the infrequent mentions of the letter are almost entirely limited to that blurb about 10% of interest meaning income. It’s a lot like how they quote Lorenzo Snow admonishing “every man, woman and child” to pay tithing, but they omit “who has means.”
I do expect this letter to grow in prominence. It’s not easily swept under the rug because it’s not just a quote from some random conference that can be chalked up to opinion. It was a formal, expansive statement from the top governing body of the church-it would have to be explicitly superseded by today’s First Presidency to lose its authoritative status.
It's optional with anyone but it's for God's work. Everyone who miss uses it will face GOD. HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY. God is great. The bible is the word of God not the BOM. 😄😇😇
Biblical tithing was based on any surplus, not on any income
God does not require payment. Cult
LDS: "Tithing is optional" OR ELSE! 🔥 Also, if you are poor, no top-tier heaven for you.
Christian: "Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God."
lds is cult
Can you please send the source where you read all of these? Thanks!
It's a Christian mandate to tithe 10%, not a "Mormon" one.
Tithing does not buy our way into heaven. We are also required to be chaste and honest, and to live the Word of Wisdom, etc. If we're failing to live anyone of these commandments (and others) paying tithing won't make up the difference--we still need to repent. The payment of tithing (and offerings) is part of a comprehensive way of life that latter-day saint disciples agree to live by--which includes a code of conduct, giving and serving, and regular worship. For most committed members of the church it is a joy to pay tithes and offerings for the purposes of building the Kingdom and caring for the poor. And the fact that the law of tithing is not an optional commandment is no more surprising or burdensome than the law of chastity not being an optional commandment.
As an active member of the church and one who pays a full tithing and fast offering i wish to add a comment. For me it's not about temples or being burned at the second coming it's about the sacrifice. God has given me everything a good job,family,home, blessings beyond measure all he asks of me is 10 percent and a little extra to help those in need who am i to say no. After i pay my tithing i don't care where it goes or how the church uses it that is not up to me. As members of the church we have been asked to pay tithing it is a private thing between me and my bishop the blessings I've received have no bounds the windows of heaven have been poured out on me. I have never been without
The fact that you'll lose your family forever has no basis on your "choice" to pay 10% +. Remember you also covenant to give 100% upto even your life if the church asks you too. And yes you go without 10%.
What does Jesus need $150 billion in U.S. currency and stocks in the second coming? Let's say it was $150 billion in Gold for the second coming. What in the heck does Jesus need money for in "the Millennium"?
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Your level of misunderstanding even simple gospel principles like tithing is astounding and succinctly summarized by your belief that Mormons/members of the church are paying tithing so they can “buy their way into heaven” as if that is all the Lord requires for one to live with Him again. 😂
Paying tithing is an honor and a privilege and one available only to members in full fellowship. It isn't a bill we have to pay, but something we want to pay.
One day, we might be asked to consecrate all we possess, even our very lives. In such a time, I hope and pray not to hold anything back.
It is optional;
First you don't have to pay tithing to be baptized for remission of sins.
Second you decide if you want the eternal blessings, if you don't then you don't have to pay. No one will stop you from coming to church.
Third, if you don't have an income then you don't pay tithing.
Forth, the Bishop really has known idea how much money anyone makes. So you decide how much you want to pay, but remember Ananias and Sapphira.
Fifth, when you go to the temple you make covenants to give back all the Lord has given. 10% is nothing in comparison.
“The submission of one’s will is really the only uniquely personal thing we have to place on God’s altar. The many other things we ‘give,’ … are actually the things He has already given or loaned to us. However, when you and I finally submit ourselves, by letting our individual wills be swallowed up in God’s will, then we are really giving something to Him! It is the only possession which is truly ours to give!” Neal A. Maxwell:
Impressive Mental Gymnastics! I'll give it a 8.42
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I was applying agency, we all have agency but not a choice of outcome.
@@NancyBrown-xw8hg "Give me 10% of your income or I will take away your family and you will be eternally tormented. Remember, this choice is 'optional'." It's like telling a battered spouse that they have the choice to be beaten, they just need to stop making their abuser angry...
@@williammueller6639
No, they have the choice to run away.
If you are paying your tithing out of fear then you are not really paying your tithing.
The first and greatest commandment is to love God with all your heart, mind and body.
John wrote in 1John 4;
"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."
@@NancyBrown-xw8hg I couldn't put it better than you did yourself: Don't be afraid of the punisher! Do better! Don't fake it! Be sincere or he'll really give you something to cry about!
I doubt that… there is no monetary value of your soul.
If you don’t pay tithing you are robbing from God and you’ll miss out on a pouring out of blessings that we insist are real.
Guilt tripping followed by bargaining. Classic mormon doctrine
@@advocate7643 exactly! ❤
These ungodly tactics are practiced by Roman Catholics, too. Three levels. Heaven, Purgatory , and Hell. Those collection baskets are passed around at end of Mass. Beg letters are also sent. Some send rosaries, Holy Cards and Medals with a Saints image.