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You're not playing specifically around the ADC, you're playing around your highest sustained damage dealer with target access, which happens to usually be the ADC due to the nature of ranged autoattacks and crit scaling. There are exceptions though, with the right comp you can also play around Master Yi for example, and there are a few mages like Cassio that can do similar DPS.
I'm sure riot could make something that isn't a tradition ADC but still goes bot and does this
There already are bot laners that are not traditional adcs. Eg jhin, ezreal, zeri.
Jhin's role is actually different since he doesnt have consistent dmg, and plays morr of a supporting role and you usually need some other carry on other lanes. Ez and zeri need to be constantly casting and hitting their Qs so they are quite different to traditional adcs gameplay wise.
Ziggs was very good botlane for a while.
He did exactly this, demolish turrets with the passive and W and still provide some form of dps through consistent poking@@MeistroEckhart
But what happens when a good assassin dives your ADC? You’re screwed if you wasted all your resources on the ADC
@hotpocket3010 Then you peel for your adc lol. Literally a large part of what playing around the adc means. The assasin ain't doing shi if it's ccd.
Because in most MOBAs the goal is to take objectives, the best way to take objectives is usually a consistent Attack damage champion. People play around those champions so that when they win a team fight they can take as many OBJs as possible and then reset and prep for the next objective. Even if range ADCs were nerfed out of existence, bot lane would become Yasuo vs Yone and mages maybe. A team is usually best when a champion on the team is good at the goal of the MOBA. Objective destroying
That doesnt neccesarily means ADC or Marksmen, theres champs like Heimer that can obliterate objetives or champs like Diana/Yorick who eats towers.
The problem with the game turning adc centered is that basically theres gonna be 2-3 adcs per comp and thats not very appealing or fun to play against.
@@hanshysher6266 I am talking about champion roles and not specifics because you can ban heim or any specific champion. The role of a consistent damage dealer is usually marksmen because the basic attack is usually the most consistent way to do damage to objectives. Sure ziggs can passive auto, lich bane auto and W and destroy turrets but ziggs isn’t a class. He is a specific champion that can be banned. Like I said in my previous comment, if marksmen were nerfed out of existence then champions like Yasuo and yone would be the champions of choice with some mages because of their consistent damage to objectives
@@SirBackPack i do understand that, auto attacks are the easiest way to output damage and one of the reasons why marksmens are usually the main damage, cause a ranged autoattacker wins you half the fight by just existing, that exactly my problem, adc nowadays do damage with abilities and autos and usually they do hella lot of damage with abilities while doing monstrous amount of damage with autos
@@SirBackPack why would i pick an aoe damage dealer insted of Runaans user that can basically do the same thing as a *for example* Swain but from a safee position and easier output of damage, Swain is the perfect example of i only work in lower elos cause my spells are as slow as a grandma in her late hundreds
@@SirBackPack i do agree that objetive taking champions make the wins easier to achieve, but why are we gonna give even more power to a class of champions that was never really that weak.
It's like asking why people play around the point guard in basketball, or why every team has to have a goalie in soccer.
With the exception that here he admitted to caving in to complaints from botlaners when the meta shifted.
It’s a moba in General thing
Most moba are played around the mid laner
@@taleofsonata1 yeah, when the mid is a carry, of course
It's different Dota for example has a much more diverse viability in what makes a carry. Adc in league is much more defined
Yeah there's almost no ranged carries that are meta in dota...p1 is almost always melee and is THE CARRY p2 can kinda be anything but almost never a ranged ad carry
Super hot take. Low elo is categorically Not played around ADC. The premise of the question is false.
In a larger majority of cases more often a mobile mid or bruiser jg will be dictating the pace and outcome of the game, not an adc. Adc is a crucial component of a balances team comp, but low elo does not revolve around adc, generally.
Not a hot take. It’s known that ADC is the worst role in low elo
@@zacharywolfgangbecker2386 And mid Elo too. Probably starting diamond 2
I agree with most of your comment, but adc's have never dictated the pace. We follow and we hit things. One of the most stressful things about playing adc is you can be 10/0 Walk in to a brush and still die instantly to a mid or a top with a couple of kills, even playing near the front of a team fight is a game losing move.
because marksmen are the hardest class in the game and they don’t tend to shine in low elo. they can’t extract the power out of an adc they will just get one shot or out carried by a darius or something
This is much more about adcs being generally the most difficult mechanical champions to play the hardest to position on and having the least agency in the game and apes in low Elo don’t know how to help allow them to have agency. That said it’s still the most important and playing around botlane is always better than playing around another role regardless of Elo
People don’t realize how bad it would be if every role had the ability to be the teams main source of damage. That’s the point of the ADC. They help carry the overall damage numbers, doesn’t mean they are necessarily always the carry of the game. A good Mid could hit a big ult or roam that then helps the ADC do more for the team or helps open up the map or takes an objective that swings a fight. That’s why support is a commonly played role, it’s fun being the reason your team could pop off
Ima push back on supp being a commonly played role, maybe In draft but in ranked it's almost always a low priority role and almost always the one that gets autofilled unless a new champ that can play supp is released.
People don't want to play supp because it's an enabler. But as riot august said in another short if you have an autofilled supp it's the second most likely role to ruin the game. Better to have autofilled top/mid then supp.
So you have this conundrum where people view supp as an enabler (boosted, not their own skill ect) but also it's a not wanted role, and if you get autofilled a supp it's the most likely to cause you to lose.
I'm a supp main, and have so many games lost because I can't enable the team enough (partially due to my own skill, partially due to their skill) , but also so many won because the enemy supp has a vision score of 30 by a 15 mins game, doesn't contest vision or roam anywhere near enough.
This is the dichotomy of supp, never the reason for winning but always somehow the reason for a loss.
Feels like any team can comfortably manage to function without an adc if you can mostly neuter the enemy’s adc and then add some other value to the team comp
It’s why mage APCs and bruiser ADCs have historically been a thing, particularly at low-mid elos, but even at higher elos
Heck till higher elos it’s probably more efficient to just not have an ADC and have something with more agency like an artillery or control mage to lift that massive burden off of your team
I mean it's one of those things where marksman aren't allowed in other roles. Everyone loses their mind if they show up mid. Top laners only complain about vayne showing up. There's 2 marksman supports, and 2 marksman junglers. So yeah when an entire class of characters is only allowed to play one role. That's what the role attracts
You are missing why people are complaining though. It’s not because ADCs can go mid, that the mid lane meta revolves around ADCs. If you wanted to play marksman Vayne and Varus top have been a thing for a while. Kindred for jungles. Tristana, Corki, and others in mid. But when you look at pro play and you see more ADCs than mages then there is a problem. There are more adc vs adc matchups in mid than there are mages vs mages. That’s why people are complaining.
smallest class in the game
100% presence since it's introduction
"only" viable bot lane despite there having been adc presence in all lanes even if meta or not
you don't need a tank, a fighter, a diver, a mage, an assassin, an enchanter, a vanguard, but adc is the only class that you will always need in every team comp
making them take up 2 or 3 slots per team is just a complete total failure in game design by riot
quinn, kayle and teemo also exist
@animeanime7849 the ADC mid meta was encouraged because of Mage jgl being so prominent. With there being a high econ, magic damage champ in the jgl you NEED a physical damage dealer in mid, and currently most AD Assassins CANNOT compete with mages in organized play, so the next best option is an ADC that is safe, bonus points if they scale hard. Its more of a jgl and midlane assassin issue than an ADC mid issue, but public perception skews it towards ADCs being OP. (Some of them straight up are)
@@senxu3620 idk 85% of players (below high emerald) don't build any armor or mr items
I only wish that adc players actually understood that their role is the most overtuned in the game at almost all times.
The vast majority of players cannot and could not play adcs if they were balanced. The skill floor is too low. Players don't even start consistently kiting until diamond.
I almost don't care that the role is overtuned. I just can't stand the constant complaining. They way they balance adc is if in basketball you moved the hoop down until everyone could dunk or everyone could shoot 40% from 3.
this is quite true. I am not playing adc because i wanna play bot lane, im playing in bot lane because thats where adcs where thrown (and to many its not that great of an experience so they jump out whenever its possible into other roles, look 3 adc meta incident)
It’s cause supports are forced to go with adc players if we remove supports from bot lane and force them to roam map the game will be way different and adcs can have a solo lane for themselves.
@@Dani-ji4um Yeah, but most won't. No one is forcing them, especially in proplay where they go bot to help funnel resources into the ADC which scales well with gold. In soloQ though, the supports rarely help funnel resources causing frustration when they take those very resources away. SoloQ ADC wants a solo lane due to being unable to rely in support which they coinflip, Proplay ADC will stay with the supp for the very reason that they are indeed, a support for the carry.
@@Dani-ji4um Perhaps. And you can see this happening to Some extent already. But all that really does is make the support a sidekick to jungle.
@@Dani-ji4umYou would have to change so much of support and bot lane itself to make this possible. Adcs as well since they weren't designed to be played that way. Prob would also ripple out and disrupt a lot of other lanes too.
“Where adcs were thrown” is an odd statement considering marksmen ad carries are intended to have a weaker early and a stronger late (compared to most champions anyways) and most of the time they escape that intention during a patch and get to go mid or worse (in most people’s opinion) top is when they’re balanced in a spot that doesn’t have them that weak early or when they’re balanced in a spot that lets them negate the risks of having a weaker early with some rune/item or a combo of those things. Which is the entire reason they got paired with supports to help them stay safer and/or press their advantage(s) until they’re strong enough to move solo more often
Plus in top lane most champs there (intended ones anyways) aren’t ranged meaning marksmen ad carries, especially ones that don’t rely as much on abilites (like say Vayne), get to just hyper harass with autos leading to frustration and a feeling of not being allowed to actually play the game in players facing them unless your jungler prioritizes your lane to keep you even or ahead.
The only way adcs could realistically function in solo lanes would be to buff them to not have as weak an early game (and probably nerf their items in accordance to their new collective buff) which would remove the entire purpose of support beyond basically being a smite-less jg who doesn’t focus on getting objectives and can’t get gold without hovering in a lane that probably doesn’t benefit from their presence since they can’t farm jg camps
That’s just how it works out. Divers dive. Assassins assassinate. Tanks and enchanters buff and defend the highest sources of sustained damage, that just happens to be ADCs. Thats like asking why football is all about the quarterback. It’s not… but it kinda feels that way
When people who seem to know nothing question things like they know everything
Why do you do this? We have been doing it for a long time. what kind of answer is this?
The metas where ADC is ignored tend to be pretty bad. Obviously bad for ADCs, but also just the general structure of the game. Many champions become inviable if ADC is not relevant to the game.
And when ADC is relevant to the game without being played around, then we get ADC solo lanes that are extremely hard to balance, and the diversity of the viable champions is further reduced.
ADC as a role is created and balanced with the expectation of being the centre of gameplay. The entire game sorta falls apart without that.
I have to hard disagree, there have been several metas spanning across YEARS of gameplay where ADC's have almost been completely obsolete and worthless comparatively to a Mage or Bruiser in bot lane. Very often you may find yourself against several Mages in bot lane and that's infinitely more successful on average because Mages scale much harder much earlier.
Not just that but Tanks have been insanely relevant for years now as well, which in a lot of ways Tanks just completely remove ADC's from the game altogether, barring a couple of unique and niche outliers.
can tell which rioters have been around for awhile and which ones are more recent hires.
Except when that whole mage adc thing happened
All i know is that i dont ever want to go back to the triple tank teams of i think season 8.
And everyone below diamond just completely ignores the ADC even if they're 5/0 coming out of lane phase lol
Up to D1 it's false, the game it's played around the most skilled/player that has most carry potential, could be the jungler on Shyvana AP, or the toplaner on camille or idk, but ADCs are a complete joke right now, investing all resources to protect someone that don't do damage until 40 minutes is psycho.
It's why I tell my jg to go bot when I play top
amen , just weakside me and i scale for fuck sake xD
Let me show my skill over not inting my lane when enemy jungler ganks me and your bot xD
I mean it doesnt matter which lane you have adc on... You can have seraphine sona bottom and have tristana mid or vayne top... People need to learn that certain champions needs to play fights in certain ways you aren't TOPLANER you are vayne player who is essentialy adc in the fights...
What I do is make sure to give top lane a gank and then leave them there because they can snowball off of that side gle kill, then focusing on bot for the rest of the early game when not doing objs. It really creates a stable side lane to draw in pressure for making plays bot for free while top absorbs the enemy jungle.
Not ADC, but ADCs* when you constantly meet 3 ADCs comp (even though logically it would be better to have 1 ADC in theory, cause he is THE CARRY, the one who get as much resources and help from team) , not even 2, you know something isn't right. It's not even about them being strong lategame, that's kinda their thing. But they're also strong midgame (remember how we had IE 75% critchance treshhold to prevent strong 2 items spike in midgame? Yeah, now forget about it), AND they're strong early game, cause range is one of the most important stat in laning phase and from durability patch they gained enough early game survivability
You need at least 1 tank in a team because otherwise enemy can just go in and kill you with no frontline, you need at least 1 peel or your adc will get oneshot by assassin. And you also need mage for enemy to not pick Malphite/rammus and stack armour.
Hence 3 ADC comp is just rare and more often than not bad.
Also, if you're talking about Tristana mid, she's not exactly fulfilling adc role, she's there because she has good wave clear, good tower damage, good escape and good split because of all of the above. It's not exactly ADC qualities and it's the problem of Tristana alone.
@@qweqqqw6972 you literally proved my point, cause your theoretically good comp conflict with reality. Just open random high elo stream (Drututt, for example) and you would 100% see a lot of games without any tank at all, and 3 ADCs isn't even rare. Your theoretical comp doesn't matter when it's just mathematically better to pick ADCs cause they are better.
@@qweqqqw6972 Draven mid in LPL is also Tristana problem? What about Lucian mid? Or Corki mid? Or Ezreal mid? Sounds like it's not just Tristana. Also, "assasins", haha, that was funny one, surely assasins exist in this meta
It was 60% crit chance treshhold
Not completely disagreeing with you, but only a very specific subset of ADCs is viable outside of bot. Aphelios/Jinx/Xayah etc. mid or top would be trolling most of the time (ofc there's exceptions, as is for every off-meta pick). Besides, all the ADCs you mentioned have a dash (MS in Draven's case). Varus top gets by with huge early game power, and is a terrible FP. So I still don't think the problem is in the ADC class as a whole.
what a weird question to ask
Nah, since Phreak got in there ADC has been insanely overtuned as a roll. and mages have been in the dirt
I play bot lane because there's nothing more satisfying than picking a mage and making the opposing marksman's laning phase miserable
I play bot lane entirely because i feel bad if i play my beloved marksmen in any other lane
i do play quinn when i cant play bot though
also usually if the enemy bot laner picks a non adc i just give up tbh
ill just take gathering storm and try to scale and just let them take whatever
nothing is more satisfying than making a mage or assassin have 0 kills at 20 minutes
Okey... So you have a person in the team whose sole reason is to "survive, because when he does and he feels safe he will deal enourmous amount of dmg and unalive enemy"
Why would you play around such a person?
I mean I don't care if you put 2 supports on bot and play vayne top...
Vayne is your adc now and vayne player should be filling adc role... It doesn't matter which lane that guy comes from. In fights certain champions have their roles.
what is this question?!?!? Dude got a problem to play around his damage dealer ? I can imagine how the teamplay works out with him
everyone has a job to do in league and using an ability to save your ADC should make you feel smart and cool not bothered. lol.
I feel like he's missing the question.
Top shifts. Theres been tank, bruiser, assasins, enchanters, and adc's in top.
Jungles been the same.
Supports had the same minus bruisers really.
Mids the same minus tanks over the years.
Yet at no point do you let adc's cycle out of botlane when something is better.
Because in the event they do let them have more early power to solo lane we end up with stuff like Vayne/tank Senna/Varus top where they get to hyper harass early and if they don’t misplay horrendously or the non-adc top laner’s jg doesn’t come to even it out the non-adc top laner usually spends the entire match feeling like they aren’t allowed to participate even just to farm.
Or when they let them go mid we get Trist/lethality Cait/Kog’ma/Kalista and mage mid-laners end up feeling miserable cuz their cooldowns can’t match up to getting auto’ed down or they get shoved under tower and have to “hard cs” (for lack of a better term) missing opportunities to back/roam and assassin mids get harassed so hard early it’s hard for them to catch up or punish unless the adc-mid horrendously misplays or their jg evens it out leading to the same outcome.
In either scenario adcs being strong enough to solo lane places harder stress on the jungler of the opposing team to even out the imbalance while they already have to get objectives, farm, and gank other lanes meaning something has to give. And I’m pretty sure keeping them in bot lane tied to their support early is the entire reason they’re allowed to be more powerful late. In exchange for a (relatively) weaker early where they need a support to help them along they get to “terrorize” mid to late game and get to be the focus of the team getting kills and doing damage
“WhY aRe PeOpLe PlAyInG aRoUnD tHe RaNgEd DPS cHaRaCtEr?”
which one? theres one in every lane now
@@jazzWF the one who puts you in the best position to win. When your team has a win con that’s not you, you become your win con’s bitch
The perfect counter to ADC’s are assassins, and I’m still clueless as to why nobody picks them. If a team focuses all their resources on the ADC and you kill the ADC even if you go 1 for 1 you’ll end up winning since your team will be stronger in the 4 v 4
If adcs are not too strong sure but not many assassins can reliable pull that off in the current meta. Enchanter supports are also currently very common which dunk on most assassins.
Because if people play around the adc and the adc has hands you will never reach him as an assassin
@@Da5kone001 then just run qss? If you’re an assassin and can’t kill an adc then you’re not doing your job. It’s like a tank not tanking. Or an adc doing no damage
@@poulain8712 well it is the direct counter to adc so it’s the easiest way
@@hotpocket3010 assassins are in a terrible spot for this reason lol they cant just kill the adc...also your just run Qss on an assassin advice is fucking weird
Me playing melee adc, and dunking on adc
As an adc main I'll just not play until y'all change it back.
People too used to one thing and cant change. If you are gonna push is stylistic change like that with a community that league has you need to give it years for people to adjust. Idk maybe still worse but you wont get real results until you give slow learning players time to adjust
Idk it’s been a long time so could be misremembering but when that cinderhulk shit dropped sure didn’t feel like it was and ADC playground
Just because it works doesn't mean it's good btw, forcing two players to always protect ADC (JG SUP, MID SUP, MID JG are the most common combinations) while the other two try to stop the other adc from playing as the most viable strategy for the entire history of the game except for 1 or 2 seasons is shit, but that would require a rework for all the champions in at least 2 roles to change it aswell as some mechanics for the chance of it being better than the current situation. We are left to pray that adcs just get nerfed and nerfed and rito accidentaly experiments with their game
You are talking as if people below diamond protected the ADC
@@ignacioperez5479 tops (when they pick tanks) and sups are the most common roles to help the adc below diamond. And even if there's not alot of protecting going around here, just the information that _"you should help the adc in order to win"_ have massive ripple effects in the gameplay of those elos. Not even counting the fact that the game has very of its aspects designed to protect, help, hinder or eliminate the adc, like top tower being extremely more tankier than bot or mid tower, or how alot of items deal %present health damage instead of max health because it would kill adcs to fast, or any non support that was too good at supporting getting their legs broken in unimaginable ways, etc. I'm not saying that all these things are terrible and shouldn't exist in the game, I'm saying that there should be more experimentation to understand the effects of these mechanics outside of "keeps adcs in check" or "adcs needs it to survive", and perhaps one of these could be seriously hurting the game.
Every other role needs to adapt to change besides ADC players, thats crazy
Where does he say that?
@@douwemusic he doesn't, but its been clear that Riot doesn't have any plans of shifting botlane away from the ADC/support formula, which is a shame since there could be potential to more comps now that ADCs are like the plague going to every lane with 54% wrs.
@@santir2396 that's just the playerbase fault. August mentioned 8.11 and how mages were favorable at bot lane and many adc players including both pros and streamers just straight up quit the game and LoL had a lower player base that season because of that patch alone. its not Riot trying to shift away, its the players themselves
@santir2396 You're so Delusional for thinking other roles are actually getting plagued with adc's for anywhere other than pro play and for less than 1% of the players
Playing around the scaling late game dps win condition is just a feature of the genre, if you don't like it blame dota for creating the moba. If you don't like that said win con tends to be ADC, then go play dota where it isn't always ranged glass cannons.
ADC is actually trash in everything other than high elo and pro play. And did we forget about the SEVERAL TANK META seasons we had where adcs were less than useless?
Devs have no clue.
Gee, I don't know, why would people be supposed to play around the AD CARRY? As in, the role that's designed to CARRY the team if you do the same for them?
Idk why these questions are so stupid? Ask the man some interesting questions if he has the time to answer.
This is a good question, because it showcases how Riot forces the every game to be exactly the same, and every Champion to have one of three roles - eliminate the ADC, protect the ADC or be ADC.
The only real problem I see with this is when people work within the system to establish a new meta or alternative strat, RIOT nerfs the evel-living fk out of it to make it fit their idea of what they think League should be.
RIOT should focus instead on providing a platform where players are free to strategize, synergize items/champs/team comps to improve the chances of winning, and overall play the game. They should focus on buffs/nerfs when one particular combination becomes so powerful it dominates and makes any other choice nonviable due to how much worse it is.
I hated it when someone would come up with a clever way of using a champ's kit to make them a viable carry champ, and RIOT would be like, "no, we want that champ to be a SUPPORT, we need to nerf all this so they can only be viable as a support".
I mean a lot of it is that said strategies make the player base mad and league has to cater to its player base. Just look at how many people r complaining about adcs showing up in other lanes
Riot really should never have given arbitrary auto attack damage scaling based on AP to help assist mages take structures.
It blurred the identity between class purposes (ADCs becoming a staple initially because they could take objectives the fastest).
It would have been significantly nerf/balance elsewhere.
Make mages burst ADCs if they skillfully combo an ADC, but make ADCs shred objectives disproportionately when compared to the other classes (and unchecked/not punished by enemy team).
You already deal more dmg to towers based on ap
Unmodified basic attacks' damage against turrets is 100% base AD (+ 100% bonus AD) (+ 60% AP).
i remember this change i was so confused lol. there are lot of changes like this that have giant impact (like the wavestate change a while ago, where minions stay "locked on" when attacking a turret) super massive implications on the game but no one really talks about it lol
rabadons champs can push nearly as fast as ADCs lol, looking at ekko...
Lol dev team sticking to moba fundamentals yet their champion they creating is fundamentally flawed
I play bot lane to play bot lane I don’t pick adcs because it has become to boring
Is Akshan an adc? Discuss
He is a marksmen but not a bot laner, like Kindred, Graves, or Quinn.
Yes adc doesn't mean bot laner ...zed is an adc
@@davidisenhower6047 Just because zed is ad and can carry doesn't mean that he is ADC, ADC is marksmen and zed is obviously assassin
@anOfficialMaze wrong bud sorry adc means attack damage carry....that's any carry that's ad...
I know alot of people think like this but adc is any ad carry which includes marksmen
@@davidisenhower6047 So riven, jax, illaoi and mundo are adc?
You can tell what august really wants to say is.
"If we nerfed ad carries so hard people couldn't 1v1 caster minons with them, people would still have 2 or more ad carries per team."
Bot laners will grief the entire game to lock in a sub optimal pick that is already countered. Best they can do is make the other lanes so strong the game ends before the 6/0 jhin becomes relevant.
Honestly a very poor reason. Just because something has been wrong for a long time does not make it right. Just long overdue for a fix
Not just the beginning or league, but more like the beginning of the PVP version of DOTA (because the first version of DOTA was a tower defense with only one playable side of the same team against NPCs) which was shamefully copied by Riot to make league. And in their limited intellectual abilities instead of making a more diverse, aka more fun, meta game playstyle, they adopted the very constrained and constipated philosophy of carry champions.
Design-wise this is a complete farce, but business-wise it's good for them because the target audience of MOBAs are people with very little player skill who require the game to hand them a tool that does the job for them, hence why these carry champions become monsters who simply start doing insane dmg late game when the player does the exact same thing he did early game: right click an enemy. Player skill doesn't go up, champion power goes up. This is cheap design for low skill players. Most players are low skill, meaning you get a bigger audience by having these champs and meta around. If all champs had well balanced high skill ceiling design, it would put off most players, they want to feel like they can "own" someone regardless of how well they play.
Congratulations, now your game essentially has three Champions (ADC, ADC eliminator, ADC protector) that just rotate skins based on buffs/nerfs. Then you come up with dumb ideas in your design like "blue Yasuo", because you have no design space to make any Champion actually unique.
Maybe the game wouldn't be toxic if people actually had to communicate strategy, instead of having it served on a silver platter.
all these are excuses but not actual reasons "well its old" yeah and double bruiser was before adc and so was double mage where fiddle was king whats your point? its age doesnt give it priority. "every champ is designed how it plays around adc" Are every champ also designed around how fiora one shots them? fuck off with this point. when you reworked crit the game was at it most healthy. Adcs where still the adc in 90% of games and they were still in other rolls but they werent 1/3 of top lanes 1/4th of mids 1/3 of junglers and 1/5th of supports. "adcs arnt interested in playing non adcs" well I have no interest in playing around an adc why have I been forced to for YEARS?
All champs aren't built around playing around adcs. What are you on about? There's many carries in different roles lol. You just seem like an adc hater.
The reason is that the adc is an integral part of how the game is designed to be played, not just "because it's old", people like it. If you don't you can play any other roles but it is historically enjoyed more with than without adc.
@@OceansDomain. he literally stats that champs are designed around how they interact with adcs in the video.
@@tomahawklegend no the adc was a competitive advantage due to its dps on objectives and towers. especially since back then mages did not have their autos on towers scale from ap. A veigar with 1000 ap would auto tower for 48 damage. having an adc meant you could take towers in single minion waves and drakes super quickly which rapidly stacked up a gold lead.
@@yoitsgunattack Of course there will be that champions that will? Doesn't change the fact you can still carry and not play around your adc in any role even supp by roaming.
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Yea but i dont want to give up respurces or even help someone who has broken hands thus is not able to carry as ad carry… i want to play jg or mid or top and be usefull, in a way i can win not in a way i can win unless enemy fed adc has broken hands too…
Womp womp thats league go play something else if u dont like it
Go watch Bwipo and see how much resources he gives up to ADC. 9-10 CS/min on average, on par with or higher than ADCs. Also see how much impact he has when he doesn't blunder (which, admittedly, he does a LOT). Same when he plays farm jgl. Nemesis CS numbers if it's not clown fiesta.
Sorry, but I think the concept of "giving up resources to ADC" is more often than not a bit of a hoax
"Botlane players wanna play adc's" Okay but use that exact same logic on mid and toplane. Early in the year we had the vayne quinn meta in top with double adc's botlane. Now we have double and sometimes tripple adc teamcomps even in proplay. August is being wildely delusional about this issue. I would like to see how long a tripple mage or assasin meta would survive. - probably 1 patch because junglers and adc are the worst players between the carry roles and thats why they the loudest when their role isnt ultra easy.
would be very true if ADCs weren't giga buffed and played in all 3 lanes at this point as well as a known rule whoever wins bot wins the game
Least delusional league player.
@@mr.nobody4994don't even get to high elo just watch proplay or high elo streamers the game is basically ADC gaming
maby make adc so they cant 1v1 everyone without kiting lul, if the kha is onetapped by an adc cuz of his q cd then u did something wrong... might me that adc is fcking op
Man this guy really knows how to talk alot and sould very informed while being compeltely ignorant of the actual problems
and its awful design. adc have degen gameplay. statcheck.
The issue is not that there is an adc it’s that every other roles feels like they have to be a slave to the adc and are defined by what they can do to help the adc instead of being their own role and doing their own thing
The problem is that you have 5 roles 4 of them are played by multiple classes , while bot is played only by adcs and certain mages that have such a niche pick rate that you could say ,bot is literally marksman role. And some might say it's fair but it's not, on each role you can play a planty of classes like in mid you can play assassin,burst mages, dps mages, some bruiser and even some adcs same goes for the other roles. While bot compleatly revolves around adc making the game being balanced around them
Go play a different game its a team game and one person on your team will be your best bet for winning which is adc. If you want independent influence on ur game stop playing mobas and go play cod
And the ADC is defined entirely by you helping them? What's your point?
There's a reason low elo botlanes are entirely decided by support diff, a bad support means the adc literally can't play the game.
You get to have actual agency in other roles for the whole game, the least you can do is cover for your adc when he finally hits his power spike after 20mins and is trying to help you by bringing sustained DPS to the comp that other roles lack.
Funny how ADCs cry ADC is dead every season even if they're buffed to batshit proportions
You are mixing ADC as marksman class and ADC as botlane role. Botlane have been and is awful. Marksman was broken
Nice silver take