Kam Lee created the deathmetal growl/cookie monster vocals? The canoes don't even know Massacre.
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That's the thing younger people don't understand is that once you've been listening to metal for decades, it gets harder to be impressed. I'd rather buy things I really like rather than pretend to be a fan of everything that's just okay at best. Especially when you've already been listening to some of the greatest of the genre for decades. I'm not saying good stuff doesn't come out. It's just fewer and farther between.
Same here dude I find myself more into 80s hardcore and UK 77 82 punk more than most metal knowadays
@@metall1983Don't forget Merauder - Master Killer from 1995. Smokes all those 20 Buck Spin/Maggot Stomp bands.
If you worship the Kingdom Come and Seven Churches thru to the Entombed era and listen to Torture Tomb you have to admit that the old sound can be surpassed
The thing is boomers can’t separate the fun times of their youth with the actual sound of the music so Thy Kingdom Come is always best because that’s when mr boomer finger banged the girl next door and landed a kick flip or whatever retarded memory the boomer carries forever
@@off6848 Dunno who you're calling a boomer. I'm 32. Some of the best death metal ever released has come out this century. Just not on those 2 labels that I mentioned.
@off6848 boomers are a generation before. Those are the parents of old metalheads. People in their seventies. I never said good stuff doesn't come out anymore, but a lot of stuff is just cut and paste at this point. I don't need the 700th Entombed band. You'll get it when you've been listening to metal for 30+ years and a lot of the new stuff sounds like a rehash from your youth.
Kam Lee doesn't get credit because most people don't go past Chris Barnes sadly, even bands who were around during that time are guilty of crediting Barnes.
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Lol, your comment makes no sense. I would think bands of the time would know better than bands of any other time period WHO influenced the scene the most and who put guttural death growling on the map.
Barnes was lower than anybody by miles at the time. Nobody invented it but Barnes took the growl lower than anybody at the time and made the style DM would be forever.
Martin Missy of Protector had low growls WAAAAAAY before Chris Barnes. Even Corpsegrinder has cited him as an influence.
Protector in general was a big influence on the CC in the Barnes era
protector rules
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I met Robert Englund this year, and I wish I told him Kam Lee based his vocals on Freddy’s voice
I've heard Terry Butler mention that Kam is bitter because he believes the scene owes him something. Kam was already growling before Massacre. I consider the Mantas demo vocals the original death metal vocals.
His growls on those demos are ridiculous! He deserves more credit for sure.
@@mattt2581 agreed
Yea he’s bitter that other bands were able to cash in and His efforts didn’t translate to money. I think its partially his doing with choices they made, but he actually seems to have figured some things out the last year or so. He is a great artist too and i dont think he ever capitalized on that either.
yeah kam made an entire video i saw on youtube whining about not getting credit for early death metal works, claimed he practically invented the genre and shit
I’ve actually met Kam Lee once and was actually really nice to me. I asked him if he could play stuff from “The Second Coming” and he politely told me “no”. He did put on a great show and had some funny banter inbetween songs and that night where I saw them along with Deceased, Incantation and Embalmer was the best night of my life.
Wether he created the “death metal voice” or not I don’t really care to put the energy into stuff like that.
I never met Kam Lee.
Sad I love the second coming
About the first growl in metal, I do consider also Dave DeFeis (some songs) on Exorcist's Nightmare Theatre (1985) to be the death growls, especially in ''black mass'' and ''Lucifer's Lament''.. The latter one has the really deep growl, and the song itself sounds more black metal, but the growls sounded really deep and demonic, and ahead of its time for back then.
Chicago's Terminal Death is underrated too when it comes to early death metal vocals
@@ReanimatorsMutilations That's true, Terminal Death is pretty good for early death metal.
@@lopolik poison and outrage from Germany also
Throw From Beyond in the garbage? NEVER lol!
@@RickRossBigBoss agreed.
I get not being aware of demos back when you were a kid first getting into music, but once you really get into it, I'd think you should figure that out.
Played with Massacre a month ago and Kam Lee is still fun to watch.
He has a great sense of humor for sure
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@Kaumualii13 more like Dollar Tree frozen pizza. Saw them in Lincoln not too long ago, don't remember who they were opening for but they were just bland.
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The demo's called Agressive Tyrant. I was so confused at first until I went and looked it up again to confirm the name. And yes you're correct, glad I'm not the only one with this knowledge.
My reissue of from beyond has the “inhuman condition” EP tacked onto the end, but I gotta grab that demo comp.
Good pizza analogy, also Do you eat Raw Honey, very powerful food. Carcas surgical steel. Heart work tough stuff.
Awesome video to start the day! Excellent description for the kids and the canoes!
8:56 I brush my teeth to African Child
Damn. On my way to get that fucking demo CD right now. I don't own it.
Earliest death growl I know is from US hardcore punk band United Mutation (from D.C) in 1982/3, I never hear anyone talk about them but super extreme for the time, check them out, it's on RUclips.
yes and the song is "It's Over".
Yes, but I'd say the singing in anything they recorded between 82/83 qualifies as "growling" as well. Fun fact; the singer said in an interview that he was inspired by Lemmy when he started this style of singing!
Sounds more like a black metal rasp than and a death growl to me
@@orkamist3999 yeah, no doubt it sounds like black metal at times
I was just going to say something like this. Or stuff From Brazil like olho seco or Sweden like anti cimex, or hell even discharge. A lot of hardcore punk in general had pretty extreme vocals especially for the early 80s.
I have seen Massacre last year here in Netherlands in a shit place with like 30/40 people and it was fucking awesome dudes are funny as fuck and they sounded awesome taking in consideration the barebones sound installation, personally i hate listening to demos because they all sound horrible in my home and car systems and i always end up with horrible headaches, having said that what kind of sound system have you got?
17:37 this is a J Dawg OG meme already lol
What about Boris The Spider by The Who? They did it in 1966.
Sounds like Killjoy was growling on Nightmare Continues demo and that was 86.
COF did a great Massacre cover of "Dawn of eternity" 🤘🏾
on which album was it?
@@lopolik from the cradle to enslave
@@sinisterking6009 I also like the Hell Awaits Slayer cover they did, that was on Dusk and her Embrace album.
@@lopolik Yea that was a fantastic one, also check out their Misfits cover "death comes ripping" if you haven't already
@@sinisterking6009 Just listened to the Massacre cover, I have to say Dani's high scream doesn't sound nearly as brutal as the original Kam Lee high scream, don't get me wrong I like his style, the early COF albums are great, but I think for him it fits more to cover black metal songs with that kind of vocal style.
I was in a line the other day and this guy asked about my dead infection shirt. He asked about death metal logos and gave a example that some look like glue being squeezed out….he showed me a example on his phone and I said “oh that’s sanguisuobog” haha I still haven’t heard their music. Is it the band with the music video with the guys having carnivorous erections?
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That band is so fucking good
❓❓❓❓ question for the dawg:
what do you think about the last rites megadeth demo? it is a better version of their debut and it for sure sends the rest of the discography of wimpadeth on a strecher
Kam Lee for sure. No doubt. Not just the first one, but also one of the most influential. Early Barney, Dave Ingram...
Siege, imo is the first to hint out at the growls
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Because people are interested in bodybuilding and the man is JACKED
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? Question for ya J-dawg, this is Jesse again from Assimilation/Witches Hammer with my comic page/business. I've heard you bring up X-men a few times, action figures, comics, and in the last vid mentioned Genosha and the collars, so you obviously know your shit at least a bit. X-men was my favorite thing when I was a kid, even before I really got into music. That show was the tits, along with the spider-man and batman shows from the 90's.
I got into buying comic collections during the pandemic and I usually end up buying off metalheads locally. Did you/do you have a big comic collection, or did you collect back in the day? I do collect tapes and vinyl (mostly tapes as all my vinyl players keep breaking) but I also collect action figures and comics. Do you think that is a common thread for metalheads being collectors? Also fuck all these new pansy ass comics, tv shows and movies. I bet they will ruin X-men when they eventually do it and change peoples skin colors, which is retarded as X-men is literally the most "inclusive" team ever put together with people from every race already represented.
The only good shows are The Boys, Invincible and Peacemaker, check out peacemaker if you haven't it's got Cena as the lead and he is a fucking juiced to the gills, good to see "action hero's" back in action whenever we can. Cheers.
Hellhouse - burn for peace is from 1985. That might be the first metal band to record a demo with growls.
Terminal Deaths first demo was 85 also
Poison and Outrage from Germany also
J Dawg's favorite Death Metal band, 200 Stab Wounds just did a new episode of the Garza Podcast. Lol
Kam may have invented them, but Joe Ptacek from Broken Hope perfected them. Barnes and Mullen went low, but Joe took that shit to the pits of Hell.
@@sothis1448 Facts. Those first five with "The Esophagus" on vocals don't have the best production, but musically and vocally, that band did no wrong for years.
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Death - Mutilation demo had the growl, most guttural Chuck had ever done, maybe not as low as Kam. Same month as the first Massacre demo.
That’s my favorite death metal demo personally. Next to Evil Side of Religion by Deceased it’s the most ugly thing I’ve heard. I wish the first 2 albums sounded like that.
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It was a process..i don't think anybody invented it bit Chris Barnes really made it a staple and set that style in stone.
15:10 Wagner Lamounier from Sarcófago, just listen the 1986 version of the song "Satanas"
Kam Lee is one of the best frontmen of all time
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Your are so right, the mantas and massacre demo's are the source! But still you should mention the CHICAGO 80s death metal scene esspecially DEVASTATION with their A Creation of Ripping Death Demo. That shit gets overlooked a bunch even the 2nd lineup was was,great eoth furios,fast death thrash metal
Torture Tomb and Chunked are newer bands that ripped off the old demo era and do manage to sound better than the old shit
there is a thing today with kids who know extreme metal from new shit and not the classics, i'm constantly shocked by people saying some really generic new thrash band is super good, i just know they've barely heard any of the 80s shit. which is my biggest issue with "revival" genres, is that bands can get big and cash in on doing a style of music they don't even objectively do better than 100s of other way older bands, simply because of the time lapse, because they started in 2020 when the world at large forgot about thrash metal. mainly i simply view it as "not fair", which sounds petty, but it is what it is. every time i hear a nuthrash band i think "if this came out in the 80s where would it rank". sometimes i'm genuinely think that it would be highly praised, like 10% of the time, most of the time i'm thinking that it would be completely forgettable. but that forgettable nuthrash album is normally getting way more praise than it deserves cause it came out this year and kids are like fuck yeah who aren't even aware of the most well known 80s thrash.
i'm not just refusing to like new stuff based on principle either, i don't give a fuck if an album came out last month or in 1986, if it's good it's good. but i had already listened to 80s thrash for a decade before the big nuthrash revival and i can just say for a fact, most of the new bands are just doing shit so many bands in the 80s did better. some of my fav thrash albums came out in the last 10 years though so it's not just some boomer shit refusing to like new stuff.
You mean aggressive tyrant?,yea I love that demo more than the album.the album is still good though
I say Chris Barnes. Other bands had gotten close to a low growl but Barnes really set the style to another level. I don't think any one person invented it but nobody was lower than Barnes or even close at the time so I would say barns.
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Dehuman Reign. Sounds like a a combination between Monstrosity and Malevolent Creation aka death metal greatness.
Ed repka was the dude behind all those crazy album covers
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Na J Dawg I’m definitely not the one who’s trying to compete, no where near that. But going back to my question, I know you were heavier Jan 2022 compared to now but you also seemed heavier in Jan 2022 compared to Jan just gone when you were also bulking, so to me 2022 bulk seemed heavier compared to this years bulk. So, I was just wondering if you bulked up more the previous winter compared to the winter just gone.
Who cares ffs
@sinisterking6009 People into bodybuilding, a subject J Dawg clearly has a wealth of knowledge on. It’s pretty rare to find bodybuilders as open and honest as J Dawg
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Why does no why mention how emo/mall goth killjoy was?
You say “growl” funny.
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Have you heard Dominion (LP) by Cemetery Filth? If so is it your cup of tea?
Also "Garza Podcast" just put out an interview with 200 stab wounds if anyone wants to troll the comments. People talking about how they're the best death metal in Ohio. Lmao.
I've seen alot of times the word canoes. What does it means beside the one was used the canoed in the river etc?
Canoes on this channel is referring to “douche canoes”
@@Leave_The_Hall_69 I know what is a canoe but is there any other meaning for other things?
@@i_was_in_the_can_for_20_years can you please specific? Thanks.
@@putragunawanhosni5348 an obnoxious or contemptible person (typically used of a man).
@@putragunawanhosni5348 Another way to interpret the phrase is "douche bag." Women used to use douchebags to clean their clams, in the olden times.
Ya he did
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Necrophagia season vs carcass reek ???
You're a bit late to this one but Carcass.
@@SuicidalGrind late? I bought reek when it first came out..there is youngsters in here..
Lemmy from Motorhead was the first, it just evolved from there . Kam Lee took it the furthest for his time, but Chris Barnes created the first really guttural Vocals
Everyones got an opinion. To me underground bands he always mentions are like fucking frozen totinos pizzas, if frozen soul is lil Caesars. Some of us were in the game before you, Dawg. Believe it or not!!!
Bring it over here! Bring it over Your overcooking it. You over cook it it’s no good. It defeats its own purpose. Well ya fucked up the steak Now go finish the cake
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WTF is a canoe anyway?
You new to da channel bra bra? 😁
@@sinisterking6009yeah
Short for douche canoe
"Douche canoe" that more descript?
it's half the people in these comments
Dude everyone and their mom knows the Massacre Death in Hell demo and the Mantas Death by metal demo. Those are fuckin stone cold masterpieces of the genre.
Kam does cool vocals for a raw death/grind band called Grave Wax but they only have a handful of releases/songs
Massacre was made because Chuck got mad at the guys for going on tour to Europe with Kreator without him.
With all respect due to Chuck, I don't blame the guys for doing the tour with Kreator. They had a contract to forfill plus why don't go on that opportunity. It was Kreator during the extreme aggression tour
Yeah, I believe there's that "Thrash Till Death" FL metal mini documentary where Bill and Terry talk about it.
@@archangelofcoffee922 Yea that's where they mention it. Now J Dawg here makes a great point. I did not realize the massacre demos where in 1986 and Kam Lee is screaming and growling before anyone else.
So that throws some of my facts out the water lol.
egos gonna ego.
What's heavier than Massacre - "Promise"?
Anything