By 1935, every member of the dutch army was building his own carbine, tooling the metal himself and harvesting the wood on his own. Soldiers caught copying were court-martialed.
Herp Derp Remember the Japanese army's swift advance down the Malay Peninsula to take Singapore. They were described as Bicycle troops. They shocked the British at the speed of their advance.
Herp Derp ... and cavalry. And police. And military police. And marines. And colonial troops. And colonial police. And military colonial police. And the anti-aircraft section of the colonial military police. And...
I think some of you are getting confused on the joke here. Dutch are known for biking a lot and has become something people occasionally like to poke fun at.
I'm Dutch and I know a little bit about our military history - also about the M95. I'm not a gun collector and the only weapon I ever fired was a Dutch Royal Army variant of the FAL - in 1986/1987 (for the other Dutch here: lichting 86-3!). It's a typical Dutch way of doing things - complying with everyone's wishes.. I first thought these variants were produced AFTER the start of the war, but the no. 4 was first produced no later than 1908. The last model (no. 5, a new model or a shortened full length rifle I'm not sure) was produced in 1937.
Not unique at all. I never really had much interest in older firearms, but I loved how Ian presented his information. Now, because of him, my interest is very high.
M85FSLUVR Same here. I'm, despite my interest in military history, not a big fan of firearms, more of a sword&axe kind of guy, but I love interesting historic anecdotes, nice little stories with a fair share of information, told without any exaggeration, falsification or to much emotion (coughhistorychannelcough) but with a real interest in the topic. And well, here we go, subscribed.
Bryan Reynolds Same with Commando's,...the first were in the Boer war Africa, they were Dutch. So, Commandos are Dutch. And yes, we like our bicycle's too.
ThatDutchguy -don't forget marines! One of the first marine corps (seaborne infantry) was founded by admiral Michiel de Ruyter in 1665 and it is still active today. The corps is called 'Korps Mariniers'.
I think we need thirteen or fourteen 45 minute lectures on the history of Dutch M95 Carbines. I'm certain you could make an educated case for each one of the variants. Only kidding - you could get away with about seven full length talks. Brilliant stuff as always.
I'm born and raised in the Netherlands and I would love to have some Dutch firearms. I bought a Steyr M.95 just to have something close to the Dutch Mannlicher... I still want a Dutch Beaumont Rifle too, Too bad I'd have to reload for it myself and I don't even have the equipment for reloading basic ammo (Not enough money or time). Thanks Forgotten Weapons, Always great to see some Dutch firearms.
boedhaspeaks It's like that everywhere with most every government. But then also they gave their soldiers requirements and specific duties to carry out which nobody could do with the wrong tools supplied to them.
It is true that these carabines mostly differed in the woodwork and where the sling swivles were. But for one thing. The safety catch on the number 1 carabine for the cavalry had a double safety catch, "dubbele rust" in Dutch. This means it could be turned to safe when cocked and without being cocked. This was to avoid the bold falling open through the bouncing movement of a soldier on horseback and losing ammunition that way.
"Hey, this artillery soldier needs a new carbine Sir" "Very well Sir, here is the artillery carbine" "Hey, I'm a mounted artilleryman, I need the one model specific to my division" Holy fuck why, what the fuck where the dutch on, they tried to make it better and even made it worse.
Thanks for sharing, I had heard about the Dutch Carbines before but never really looked into them. Truly is funny how they tried to consolidate and instead increased the number of types out there
Dude, you oxymoroned your self right there! 😁 The Dutch, the wallonians and the Flandern people are All insane.. with your windmills and canals and your Gouda.. but the Wooden shoes are awesome!
I fired a few versions a while ago with original 1916 manufactured ammo. I still have one clip, the ammo carton (beautiful made heavy cardboard: way too expensive to make these days just to store 10 rounds) and one cartridge. I was surprised how accurate (the rifle) was with those 80 + years old ammo and rifle. This is typical Dutch: we took a perfect designed rifle and change it. We did the same with the FAL ('Sorry FN, not good enough. Let us redesign it' :-) and now with the Canadian Colt Canada C7 NLD. Great video and I'm curious if you can find the rifles! Oh, btw, I have a picture from my granddad with the M95. To bad I can't add a picture. Greets.
And the luger.. the Hammer spring is at the request of the Dutch.. And most recent the walther P99Q NL the Dutch mod the chamber (to get a beter gas seal with the special ammo..)
HAHA!! Thanks for this excellent example of what is generally quite famously known in politics as the "Dutch Poldermodel" which is like the epitome of stakeholdermanagement, developed a couple of hundred of years ago, when the Dutch were fighting the water in their extremely low lands (i.e. below sea level). There were lots of different parties involved with different, sometimes opposing stakes and eventually we came up with a way of satisfying all parties at the same time, whilst keeping the sea out... Never knew though that it also affected weapons production... Thanks for your brilliant expose!!!
Interesting. Never seen a rifle with wood over an external magazine. Didn't know anything about these, although i've heard of the cartridge. Looks like they may have gotten input from actual soldiers as to where to place the sling swivels, and certain other features. Mannlichers are always interesting.
I wish you were able to get every version of the Dutch carbine together, and figure out every little detail. Hopefully with documentation from the design team (if that even exists? doubtful). Then just have a really big talk about all of them. And the little details.
It would have been a lot easier for the Swiss and the Dutch to use 1891 Mauser Carbines like Argentina did. I wish I still owned the one I bought in 1967 for $25. It appeared to be unissued and was an excellent shooter.
About a year ago I cam across a Dutch M95 long rifle in a dusty corner of a gun shop. They had no clue what it was and didn't care, so it cost me $100 to take it home. Great shape for a 1917 mfg rifle. But trying to find data to reload for it...no so easy
I have always enjoyed you videos but this is this first to make me laugh. Once they got up to 9 carbines I could not keep a serious face any longer. :)
Ian, you need to help influence a manufacturer to make Dutch 6.5x53R rounds...also, find someone to make reproduction cleaning rods for these as you can never find them. Thanks for all of the great videos!
Found one last year not on your list. Dutch East Indies Marechanssee Mannlicher Model 1895 for special troops. It is not a "Dutch East India Company" rifle. This was assigned to the Dutch East Indies "special troops". museumbronbeekblog.nl/?p=29 (This is the only image I have been able to find of the rifle I have. No handguard and an additional barrel band)
I just purchased an m95 carbine for a really good price but i am going absolutely crazy trying to figure out what variation it is. 1939 production and the pawn shop claimed it was chambered in 8x57 mauser but looking at the bore im 98% sure it's still 6.5. If anyone can give me a hand let me know, I'm iffy on the mannlichers at best
There was at least one naval carbine and a version that had a screw attached front sight protector with wings. The were very silly people to not be able to use only one standard carbine. Some of the "carbines" were cut down long rifles. You will find they have the same slender barrel at the end of the forestock but under the hand guard there is a step and the barrel is heavier from the end of the forend back to the receiver. Most of the small parts of the action are the same as the 1903 Mannlicher/Schoenauer. The rifles and carbines were made at 2 different factories. The original designer was Oesterreichische Gesellschaft Waffenfabriks (Mannlicher)in Steyr, Austria. The Dutch decided to control their own firearms manufacturing and keep the money in the country so they started manufacturing them in Hambrug. Of course none of this covers the rifle versions that included a naval model long rifle or the .22 cal training rifles. What is not apparent from this video is that an original well preserved rifle or carbine made at Steyr has the same finish and workmanship that was found on the metal work of a commercial model 1903 Mannlicher Schoenauer. Amazing workmanship on a ordinary military rifle.
Why do some of the rifles have a cutout in the base of the magazine, was it to drain water or give a trooper a better idea of rounds ready for the next volley?
+Forgotten Weapons McNamara tried to do away with some of our own "Dutch" thinking with the F-111 program and the ar-15 program , thank god he succeeded at least with the m-16
+Gahlok12 Everything has growing pains. had the pleasure and pain of working on it for 6 years as a Bomb/Nav troop (avionics afsc 32676) great airplane that would still be in service if it wasn't for the stealth requirements of today
finalfantasy50 The army hadn't invested much up until WW2, so there were not many new guns to replace them with. I think they were still used after the war, even.
Thanks for the detailed and interesting discussion of these variants Ian. I am finally able to identify the one I have - a Number 3 Old Model carbine in beautiful condition with it's goofy extended handguard which I sort of like. Any idea how many of these were made?
Cool, looks like a really nice size camping/hunting rifle.. not too big but hit hard enough and be comfortable to carry and shoot.. ps.love the vids, keep em coming:)
Im quite surprised how few comments are actually relevent?, there are some unusual designs for sure, but having a carbine you could carry around on horseback comfortably all day, or not get damaged , just makes sense, ??
I have inherited a mannlicher rifle and I'd like to learn more. it looks like an 1895 but I think it's pre ww1 as it's quite long, has no date stamp, and appears to have a bore close to 22 cal. definitely not 6.5 dutch. any ideas?
+jake ledbetter Check out the legermuseum. It is a Dutch (in Dutch) website with that is clumsy to navigate that has some information about the rifles, carbines and the ammunition. The sight was originally hard to navigate it appears impossible to find all the old text and photos of the M95 rifles, carbines and ammo. If your rifle is Dutch and it is .22 cal it is a modified centerfire that will shoot .22 for practice and training.
?. Not to mention that many of these guns were re used.. So you will also find old no3 carbines with new no3 or no4 parts on it.. I held a Mannlicher M95 carbine in my hands once which was remanufactured this way... Wish the gun laws were not so strict here, otherwise I would have had one in my possession..
This video is 2 years old from the time I'm typing this now but I have the Dutch mannlicher carbine model 1, I was wondering if you knew how to get ammo for it. Please contact me if you can
I think a bunch of these neat carbines were rebarreled to 303 British in the post war period. I think they were thought to be as much fun to shoot as the Italian Carcano's that were rebarreled to shoot 8 MM Mauser.
FG 42 Bob Yes, the Indonesian military rebuilt M95 carbines and rifles in .303 British. I have a couple examples, and have been planning a video on them for a while, but haven't gotten to it yet.
Yeah, I get it, there was lots of bureaucratic infighting and stubbornness. But I wonder, in hindsight...how many of those nine versions could be combined by simply including ALL of the features? That is, build one model with the wood on the magazine, sling swivels on the side AND the bottom, upper handguard, etc. Sure the engineers don't need the wood on the side of the magazine, but it wouldn't get in the way of anything. Maybe build a universal bayonet mount so that the unit armorer can install a long bayonet, short folding bayonet, or no bayonet at all depending on the needs of the unit?
elektro3000 The Germans also had an army that included infantry, cavalry, artillery... Yet they never had so many variations and they fought 'pretty well.' And they didn't lose the war because their carbines had too few features.
What's your opinion on people making permanent changes to military surplus rifles for sport? ex. drilling scope mounts into the receiver or anything that would damaged the original parts
So it never occurred to them to just make every carbine with *both* side and bottom sling swivels, so that cavalry could put their slings on the side and everybody else on the bottom?
@Kalzone Kat: and we did it with the new police pistol, the P99 QANL, the ammo the police uses (exclusive made by RUAG for the Netherlands), the Glock 17. And of course, we made the blueprint for the M16. Stoner designed it, but imported changes that later made the M16, was invented by Holland (location of the charging handle, position of the gastube, Teflon coating -Dutch invention- in the upper receiver, etc. And don't forget the Leopard 2A5 and A6 battle tank. And the F16 fighter and the Apache... Apparently we like to redesign good designs :-)
+Just Another Fanboy The original basis for most of the design was the German GEW 88 Comission rifle. The GEW 88 had the silly metal handguard tube that had to be very expensive and made the forend weaker. The German magazine was a Mannlicher design with a rimless case that became the 7.92x57I which turned into the 8x57J in 1905. Other than the magazine and the fact they are bolt rifles the Carcano and these rifles doe not share much other than appearance. Safety, cocking piece, bolt stop, extractor, ejector, trigger and all the small parts are completely different except maybe the follower and the latch for the clip.
In terms of Cocaine production the Dutch state did not stay neutral during WWI. My country produced most cocaine consumed at the front (by means of the Royal Cocaine Factory) and in fact a remarkebly high percentage of wounded soldiers at fieldhospitals turned out to have developed a cocaine addiction.....
It's a pity people modify these. I'd understand if they would get a new piece of wood and work it in, heck even a reproduction piece and keep the original part as it was. And this is just a fringe example, i've seen some horrific modifications done with no common sense or prior investigation in to the weapon's value both historically or monetarily speaking. Sigh.
By 1935, every member of the dutch army was building his own carbine, tooling the metal himself and harvesting the wood on his own. Soldiers caught copying were court-martialed.
MenwithHill Sounds like something out of 'Catch-22'.
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I think you may be, as Robert Louis Stevenson, put it,
"Making experiments with the ironical."
Only in the Netherlands will you find carbines specifically for bicycles
Indeed my friend indeed
Herp Derp Other countries did as well, one I can think of off the top of my head is Italy made a bicycle troop version of the Carcano
Herp Derp Remember the Japanese army's swift advance down the Malay Peninsula to take Singapore. They were described as Bicycle troops. They shocked the British at the speed of their advance.
Herp Derp ... and cavalry. And police. And military police. And marines. And colonial troops. And colonial police. And military colonial police. And the anti-aircraft section of the colonial military police. And...
I think some of you are getting confused on the joke here. Dutch are known for biking a lot and has become something people occasionally like to poke fun at.
"Quick, war has broken out! We need more carbines for lefties and people with delicate skin!"
"I'll draw up a few hundred designs, sir"
Welcome to the Wonderful World of Dutch Compromization... :-p
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@@namenotallowedinyourcountr2709 serieus? Dat is gruwelijk😂
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I'm Dutch and I know a little bit about our military history - also about the M95. I'm not a gun collector and the only weapon I ever fired was a Dutch Royal Army variant of the FAL - in 1986/1987 (for the other Dutch here: lichting 86-3!).
It's a typical Dutch way of doing things - complying with everyone's wishes.. I first thought these variants were produced AFTER the start of the war, but the no. 4 was first produced no later than 1908. The last model (no. 5, a new model or a shortened full length rifle I'm not sure) was produced in 1937.
Marc Dezaire 59tkbat 88/1 here , uzi was my toy ±'
Aim at your fellow soldier's target to hit your own....
i love the way you tell a story
Not unique at all. I never really had much interest in older firearms, but I loved how Ian presented his information. Now, because of him, my interest is very high.
M85FSLUVR Same here. I'm, despite my interest in military history, not a big fan of firearms, more of a sword&axe kind of guy, but I love interesting historic anecdotes, nice little stories with a fair share of information, told without any exaggeration, falsification or to much emotion (coughhistorychannelcough) but with a real interest in the topic. And well, here we go, subscribed.
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Bicycle troops, doesn't get more Dutch than that
Bryan Reynolds Same with Commando's,...the first were in the Boer war Africa, they were Dutch. So, Commandos are Dutch.
And yes, we like our bicycle's too.
It's a goddamn "miracle" how such a small country could do so much damage around the world, colonially speaking.
Yairo Martis - not more damage than the (indigenous) powers that have since replaced the Dutch colonial rule.
ThatDutchguy -don't forget marines! One of the first marine corps (seaborne infantry) was founded by admiral Michiel de Ruyter in 1665 and it is still active today. The corps is called 'Korps Mariniers'.
The dutch were the first to have a marine corps
And these are just the carbines, there were also full length variants.
Can never have enough Carbines.
TroopperFoFo Needs more cowb-carbines!
I think we need thirteen or fourteen 45 minute lectures on the history of Dutch M95 Carbines. I'm certain you could make an educated case for each one of the variants. Only kidding - you could get away with about seven full length talks. Brilliant stuff as always.
C&Rsenal challenge accepted
I'm born and raised in the Netherlands and I would love to have some Dutch firearms.
I bought a Steyr M.95 just to have something close to the Dutch Mannlicher...
I still want a Dutch Beaumont Rifle too, Too bad I'd have to reload for it myself and I don't even have the equipment for reloading basic ammo (Not enough money or time).
Thanks Forgotten Weapons, Always great to see some Dutch firearms.
If you don't have money or time then why fuck sake enter this world
Those 4 guns illustrate perfectly how things still go overhere in the goverment.
boedhaspeaks Where ever "overhere" is, believe me you are not alone.
boedhaspeaks Compromises that don't work! Yippee!
boedhaspeaks It's like that everywhere with most every government. But then also they gave their soldiers requirements and specific duties to carry out which nobody could do with the wrong tools supplied to them.
What on Earth did the Dutch needed mountain infantry for...?
BaldPolishBiotechnol I think you misheard me say "mountED", not "mountAIN".
Bruh we got mountains everywhere! 😉
Quinten Maessen Clearly the reason you built those dams was to hide all those mountains with land.
Yes that is true
Forgotten Weapons Seems like a copy / license of the italian Carcano Rifle ...
It is true that these carabines mostly differed in the woodwork and where the sling swivles were. But for one thing. The safety catch on the number 1 carabine for the cavalry had a double safety catch, "dubbele rust" in Dutch. This means it could be turned to safe when cocked and without being cocked. This was to avoid the bold falling open through the bouncing movement of a soldier on horseback and losing ammunition that way.
This is still one of my favorite FW episodes. Such cool collecting minutia on some cool little carbines.
"Hey, this artillery soldier needs a new carbine Sir"
"Very well Sir, here is the artillery carbine"
"Hey, I'm a mounted artilleryman, I need the one model specific to my division"
Holy fuck why, what the fuck where the dutch on, they tried to make it better and even made it worse.
🤣🤣...... Well... Maybe every soldier had it's own specific special variant of this carbine.......
Thanks for sharing, I had heard about the Dutch Carbines before but never really looked into them. Truly is funny how they tried to consolidate and instead increased the number of types out there
Were not goofy! were just dutch ;) . Nice vid! love how you studied our weapon history.
;) meh dont mind being goofy
***** I think we can safely say that the Dutch hadn't eaten cheese off military weapons in pre-WW2 times.
Not sure not sure....
Dude, you oxymoroned your self right there! 😁 The Dutch, the wallonians and the Flandern people are All insane.. with your windmills and canals and your Gouda.. but the Wooden shoes are awesome!
Ah, ah...hmm. scratches his head and decides not to comment (sister in law being dutch and all)😂🤔
Good lord I just found this channel. at least I don't work in the morning. Brewing some coffee and settling in for a marathon.
MurderScenePhoto Happened to me the first time! xD
Nobody cares
no wonder they have so many stocks , they make shoes out of wood, dutch are great craftsmen :-)
Dutch viewer here! good video
Thijs Van Dalen My first wife used to enjoy a nice Dutch Oven here and there.
Thijs Van Dalen Dus ik ben niet de enigste die hier naar kijkt.
Thijs Van Dalen Je komt ze ook overal tegen die Nederlanders...
Thijs Van Dalen wat een toeval...
Ook Nederlands :D
I fired a few versions a while ago with original 1916 manufactured ammo. I still have one clip, the ammo carton (beautiful made heavy cardboard: way too expensive to make these days just to store 10 rounds) and one cartridge.
I was surprised how accurate (the rifle) was with those 80 + years old ammo and rifle.
This is typical Dutch: we took a perfect designed rifle and change it. We did the same with the FAL ('Sorry FN, not good enough. Let us redesign it' :-) and now with the Canadian Colt Canada C7 NLD.
Great video and I'm curious if you can find the rifles!
Oh, btw, I have a picture from my granddad with the M95. To bad I can't add a picture.
Greets.
Rogier Vis We made the Swedes do that with the CV90 too. Granted, it's not a gun, but we still made them redesign it.
And the luger.. the Hammer spring is at the request of the Dutch..
And most recent the walther P99Q NL the Dutch mod the chamber (to get a beter gas seal with the special ammo..)
HAHA!! Thanks for this excellent example of what is generally quite famously known in politics as the "Dutch Poldermodel" which is like the epitome of stakeholdermanagement, developed a couple of hundred of years ago, when the Dutch were fighting the water in their extremely low lands (i.e. below sea level). There were lots of different parties involved with different, sometimes opposing stakes and eventually we came up with a way of satisfying all parties at the same time, whilst keeping the sea out... Never knew though that it also affected weapons production... Thanks for your brilliant expose!!!
Ha, good luck to whoever tries to collect that carbine set.
Interesting. Never seen a rifle with wood over an external magazine. Didn't know anything about these, although i've heard of the cartridge. Looks like they may have gotten input from actual soldiers as to where to place the sling swivels, and certain other features. Mannlichers are always interesting.
I wish you were able to get every version of the Dutch carbine together, and figure out every little detail. Hopefully with documentation from the design team (if that even exists? doubtful). Then just have a really big talk about all of them. And the little details.
Excellent overview on one of the quirkier military small arms stories. Well done.
am I seeing things or is the glass display behind you chock full of old Lugers..?
What no ice skate troops?
It would have been a lot easier for the Swiss and the Dutch to use 1891 Mauser Carbines like Argentina did. I wish I still owned the one I bought in 1967 for $25. It appeared to be unissued and was an excellent shooter.
I work with a Dutch guy, and I can understand this entirely. The only thing that is surprising is that there isn't more carbines.
Excellent video. Looking forward to seeing the other 5 carbines.
Nothing more dutch than bicycle troops
Very nice to read something about our history. I had never heard this story but making things complicated is something we often do.
Awesome to learn something about weapons that my country used!
This channel is the sole reason I want to get a rifle license
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About a year ago I cam across a Dutch M95 long rifle in a dusty corner of a gun shop. They had no clue what it was and didn't care, so it cost me $100 to take it home. Great shape for a 1917 mfg rifle. But trying to find data to reload for it...no so easy
I'd absolutely love to have something like a new model No. 3 in a modern chambering. Love the look of old army carbines.
Forgotten Weapons Hi Ian could you do some shooting with Dutch M95, its different than Styer M95 right.. I really want to see the mechanism
I guess it's not that the upper handguard is that much longer, as it is that the lower one can't bejust as long because of the bayonet lugs.
I have always enjoyed you videos but this is this first to make me laugh. Once they got up to 9 carbines I could not keep a serious face any longer. :)
Why would the bicycle and cavalry troops need different carbines?
+556deltawolf The bicycle troop carbine could be attached to the bikes for ease.
Ian, you need to help influence a manufacturer to make Dutch 6.5x53R rounds...also, find someone to make reproduction cleaning rods for these as you can never find them. Thanks for all of the great videos!
You are always such a wealth of information. Thanks for the great video.
Found one last year not on your list. Dutch East Indies Marechanssee Mannlicher Model 1895 for special troops. It is not a "Dutch East India Company" rifle. This was assigned to the Dutch East Indies "special troops".
museumbronbeekblog.nl/?p=29 (This is the only image I have been able to find of the rifle I have. No handguard and an additional barrel band)
We Dutch people loved carbines back then.
I just purchased an m95 carbine for a really good price but i am going absolutely crazy trying to figure out what variation it is. 1939 production and the pawn shop claimed it was chambered in 8x57 mauser but looking at the bore im 98% sure it's still 6.5. If anyone can give me a hand let me know, I'm iffy on the mannlichers at best
what about the indonisian ?
Nice video.
Nice to see the guns from my country :-)
There was at least one naval carbine and a version that had a screw attached front sight protector with wings.
The were very silly people to not be able to use only one standard carbine. Some of the "carbines" were cut down long rifles. You will find they have the same slender barrel at the end of the forestock but under the hand guard there is a step and the barrel is heavier from the end of the forend back to the receiver. Most of the small parts of the action are the same as the 1903 Mannlicher/Schoenauer. The rifles and carbines were made at 2 different factories. The original designer was Oesterreichische Gesellschaft Waffenfabriks (Mannlicher)in Steyr, Austria. The Dutch decided to control their own firearms manufacturing and keep the money in the country so they started manufacturing them in Hambrug.
Of course none of this covers the rifle versions that included a naval model long rifle or the .22 cal training rifles.
What is not apparent from this video is that an original well preserved rifle or carbine made at Steyr has the same finish and workmanship that was found on the metal work of a commercial model 1903 Mannlicher Schoenauer. Amazing workmanship on a ordinary military rifle.
Why do some of the rifles have a cutout in the base of the magazine, was it to drain water or give a trooper a better idea of rounds ready for the next volley?
+MarbleDemo It allows the empty clip to fall out.
Those clever Dutch.
+Forgotten Weapons McNamara tried to do away with some of our own "Dutch" thinking with the F-111 program and the ar-15 program , thank god he succeeded at least with the m-16
+Damian Grouse The F-111 did very well late in its service with the USAF.
+Gahlok12 Everything has growing pains. had the pleasure and pain of working on it for 6 years as a Bomb/Nav troop (avionics afsc 32676) great airplane that would still be in service if it wasn't for the stealth requirements of today
So many type carbine one of that converted to .303 by TNI
The Dutch were obviously neutral in WW1. But were those M95 carbines effective in combat for the Colonial Troops? Did they keep them into WW2?
finalfantasy50 The army hadn't invested much up until WW2, so there were not many new guns to replace them with. I think they were still used after the war, even.
They used them in many uprisings in the Dutch East Indies. The Aceh War, Tapanuli War, and the 1906 Invasion of southern Bali
Simplicity speaks in volume.
Thanks for the detailed and interesting discussion of these variants Ian. I am finally able to identify the one I have - a Number 3 Old Model carbine in beautiful condition with it's goofy extended handguard which I sort of like. Any idea how many of these were made?
Cool, looks like a really nice size camping/hunting rifle..
not too big but hit hard enough and be comfortable to carry and shoot..
ps.love the vids, keep em coming:)
The upper hand guard that goes farther is for the artillery troops in case of incoming artillery it protects it significantly more ? Maybe
But the question is. How do they shoot? DO you like shooting it? how are the sights?
To think that might of been the exact same rifle my grandfather might of carried way back when when he was on the Dutch Cav.
Im quite surprised how few comments are actually relevent?, there are some unusual designs for sure, but having a carbine you could carry around on horseback comfortably all day, or not get damaged , just makes sense, ??
I am kinda disappointed you didn’t name the company that made them once: Hembrug (also known as Hembrug Zaandam)
Nice to see a vid about dutch guns🙈 hope to see more in the future! Love this channel
I have inherited a mannlicher rifle and I'd like to learn more. it looks like an 1895 but I think it's pre ww1 as it's quite long, has no date stamp, and appears to have a bore close to 22 cal. definitely not 6.5 dutch. any ideas?
+jake ledbetter Check out the legermuseum. It is a Dutch (in Dutch) website with that is clumsy to navigate that has some information about the rifles, carbines and the ammunition. The sight was originally hard to navigate it appears impossible to find all the old text and photos of the M95 rifles, carbines and ammo. If your rifle is Dutch and it is .22 cal it is a modified centerfire that will shoot .22 for practice and training.
Thanks a lot for telling story of these unusuall rifles.
possibly that upper handgaurd that is overlong upper hand guard on the carbine is just the standard upper hand guard from the rifle length version?
Those are all some really nice looking guns, although Dutch bias here.
No chance for a shooting video in the future with one of these i suppose?
They had a cavalry version of this gun in the new mad max movie. Only recognized it because I watched this video. :)
Could the extended top handguard be to prevent heat haze off the barrel? I've only ever seen this with sniper rifles before, so probably unnecessary.
These are really cool. About how much do number 4 carbines typically go for in decent condition?
Really cool. Not cool enough for me to try to get every single variation 😂
where the made by hembrug ?
Sight radius looks a bit short. How do they shoot?
Why does everything have to be so difficult in our country
?. Not to mention that many of these guns were re used.. So you will also find old no3 carbines with new no3 or no4 parts on it.. I held a Mannlicher M95 carbine in my hands once which was remanufactured this way... Wish the gun laws were not so strict here, otherwise I would have had one in my possession..
Dutch Military Police are called De Koninklijke Marchausee, even back then.
My OCD is really irritated that there's wood on one side of the magazine but not the other.
How many times did you say carbine?
That wall of lugers though.
This video is 2 years old from the time I'm typing this now but I have the Dutch mannlicher carbine model 1, I was wondering if you knew how to get ammo for it. Please contact me if you can
I think a bunch of these neat carbines were rebarreled to 303 British in the post war period. I think they were thought to be as much fun to shoot as the Italian Carcano's that were rebarreled to shoot 8 MM Mauser.
FG 42 Bob Yes, the Indonesian military rebuilt M95 carbines and rifles in .303 British. I have a couple examples, and have been planning a video on them for a while, but haven't gotten to it yet.
Forgotten Weapons Sweet lord, that is ludicrous. :D
Geez i like this man, wish i could perchase one, still nowadays, if i would find one i woulD learn too shoot at a range
So, 13 carbines, how many rifles and how many accurized one for marksmen are there?
Yeah, I get it, there was lots of bureaucratic infighting and stubbornness. But I wonder, in hindsight...how many of those nine versions could be combined by simply including ALL of the features? That is, build one model with the wood on the magazine, sling swivels on the side AND the bottom, upper handguard, etc. Sure the engineers don't need the wood on the side of the magazine, but it wouldn't get in the way of anything. Maybe build a universal bayonet mount so that the unit armorer can install a long bayonet, short folding bayonet, or no bayonet at all depending on the needs of the unit?
elektro3000 The Germans also had an army that included infantry, cavalry, artillery... Yet they never had so many variations and they fought 'pretty well.' And they didn't lose the war because their carbines had too few features.
What's your opinion on people making permanent changes to military surplus rifles for sport? ex. drilling scope mounts into the receiver or anything that would damaged the original parts
I would recommend not doing those things.
4:00 And I thought, that the Mosin family of rifles is extensive... ._.
I mean we had about 51 types to be completely honest 😂 we said it was different for being 1mm thinner
These seem very similar to a Mosin Nagant. Did the creator gain influence from that design?
I wonder how fierce the bicycle troops were.
This is what happens when you give people many options.
if only it was easier to find ammo for these...
So it never occurred to them to just make every carbine with *both* side and bottom sling swivels, so that cavalry could put their slings on the side and everybody else on the bottom?
@Kalzone Kat: and we did it with the new police pistol, the P99 QANL, the ammo the police uses (exclusive made by RUAG for the Netherlands), the Glock 17. And of course, we made the blueprint for the M16. Stoner designed it, but imported changes that later made the M16, was invented by Holland (location of the charging handle, position of the gastube, Teflon coating -Dutch invention- in the upper receiver, etc.
And don't forget the Leopard 2A5 and A6 battle tank. And the F16 fighter and the Apache... Apparently we like to redesign good designs :-)
i am dutch and i didnt know this
Omg there must be 10k lugers in the background
why didn't they just make one kind of raw base gun and then they can mod that gun according to what everyone needs.
They look a bit like Italian Carcano carbines. Is that coincidental or were they based off each other?
***** They are both Mannlicher actions and magazines.
+Just Another Fanboy The original basis for most of the design was the German GEW 88 Comission rifle. The GEW 88 had the silly metal handguard tube that had to be very expensive and made the forend weaker. The German magazine was a Mannlicher design with a rimless case that became the 7.92x57I which turned into the 8x57J in 1905. Other than the magazine and the fact they are bolt rifles the Carcano and these rifles doe not share much other than appearance. Safety, cocking piece, bolt stop, extractor, ejector, trigger and all the small parts are completely different except maybe the follower and the latch for the clip.
In terms of Cocaine production the Dutch state did not stay neutral during WWI. My country produced most cocaine consumed at the front (by means of the Royal Cocaine Factory) and in fact a remarkebly high percentage of wounded soldiers at fieldhospitals turned out to have developed a cocaine addiction.....
Is there a good book that covers all these variants in depth? One written in dutch perhaps?
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Thanks, Ian!
Not shown, the first Dutch gun. Made entirely of wood.
My first gun was a Dutch M95 Carbine.
Mike Ehrmantraut Which one? :)
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Mike Ehrmantraut
New or Old Model?
It is the old model.
This is strange never heard of Holland owned carbines
this is so funny, dutch bureaucracy at its finest
It's a pity people modify these. I'd understand if they would get a new piece of wood and work it in, heck even a reproduction piece and keep the original part as it was.
And this is just a fringe example, i've seen some horrific modifications done with no common sense or prior investigation in to the weapon's value both historically or monetarily speaking. Sigh.