ECHO We Have A Problem. Customers PB-8010/9010 Echo Backpack Blowers Keep Dying!
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My name is Bre. I took two years of small engine repair at the local college. When I left school, I fell into a wonderful job at a local small engine shop where I worked the counter for a couple years. In 2010 my husband and I opened up our own small engine shop in central Arkansas where I am able to work alongside my family and best friends. We see over 2,000 pieces of small engine equipment every year, and answer 1,000's of small engine questions. We specialize in brands such as Briggs and Stratton, Kohler, Echo and Shindaiwa, but work everyday on MANY other brands like Stihl, Husqvarna, Honda, Craftsman, Remington, Red Max, Troy Bilt, Scag, Bad Boy, Hustler, World Lawn, Poulan, Mantis, Etc.. Hopefully, my experience I share, will save you Time, Money and Frustration in the future!
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You're a valuable representative for Echo products, and hopefully, they recognize their honest representatives. Each product has a minor issue that repair shops are their first line of defective recognized issues. If you were in my hometown! I'd have you as my number one shop!
Echo needs to be giving you some free stuff for doing their QC job for them.
Agreed!
Hopefully they don’t go amber heard and file a deformation lawsuit 😂
@@RUclipscensoredmyusername "Deformation" 😆
The cleanest drive,the best videos, most helpful information, and the cheekiest shorts. Wonderful production. Thank you for your efforts.
Thank you for all your knowledge..because of your videos my wife thinks I'm really good at fixing everything.
Actually had the exact opposite problem on an old PB-6000!! The wire would pull out and the unit wouldn't shut off. I finally just crimped it! Great vid!
Nice repair..
I would add some heat shield or a layer of shrink tubing to those wires to add another layer of protection and prevent this from happening again.
As always great. Finding random things anywhere is sometimes a mystery worth investing. THANKS Todays random item was a "new nut" in the parking lot of the hardware store. Yes, found owner.
It looks like the owner of this 8010 gives it a hot supper. That never helps things. I own a 9010, and I am a bit obsessive compulsive about taking care of it. No kill wire issues for me. Yet. After watching this, I may take preventative measures. Thanks for another great video.
Another entertaining and informative video. I don't have the 8010, but my neighbor does. I might be able to help him out someday. I enjoyed the "back-pack blower boogie" near the end. Also, I appreciated your comment about calling the manufacturer and getting the story that they have never heard of that issue before. I have a self-feeding drum sander in my wood shop that began mis-tracking a few months ago. I replaced the drive belt twice (at $65 a pop). I googled the issue and found it appeared to be a chronic problem, with no definite fixes. I called the manufacturer, got "that's a new one" and told them they might want to Google the problem as I had easily found several hundred folks with the same issue and little to no manufacturer support. After 3 buddies and I had tried to figure it out for weeks, I called a retired machinist friend to stare at it with me. He found the problem in about 1 minute. I bought a new drive roller with fresh, sharp knurling and the problem was fixed. Thx.
Love my 20+ year old PB-304. It's only been in the shop ONCE because I left crappie gas in it over the winter. It's definitely not a beast by modern standards but it has always gotten the job done and unlike modern blowers it has a curved end on the tube which I think all blowers should still have.
Thank You. I have the same blower 8010T purchase brand new and it is the best I ever seen. I did get a recall for the strap but nothing else. I am disable and can't rake leaves. I have AS with flareups but I don't really find it overly heavy for what is does truly powerful and not one issue. Red Armor premix is the only thing I ever used but now its getting pricey, it already was to be honest. I guess I should carry it back to the Echo dealer I purchased it from for a checkup. Homeowner and I only use it about 2 hours max about 8 times a year so it has low hours. Mine still looks brand new I keep it in our spare bedroom
I must have been one of the lucky ones that got to watch this video before youtube removed it. I don't think it was just your video that was affected. I tried to watch someone else's premiere and it was all messed up. I hope that they get it fixed so that you and others don't need to spend all the extra time uploading stuff twice. Keep up the great work and excellent videos that save us time, money, and frustration. Also it's awesome that you post some of the tools that you use, it's very helpful in preventing others from buying stuff that's not very good quality.
Glad to know this, so if and when the problem appears, I know what to look for, and your right, its a beast of a blower, first time I heard one run in person I was like..."I WANT ONE" , I have typical type southeastern Texas type lawn, meaning lots of leaves and pine needles in my yard, and they are hard to blow off the yard, not with this one, yes, its a bit heavy, loud, you need hearing protection, but its fun to blow leaves with it, it blows them away :)
I worked on the adjust floor for CAT wheel tractor scrapers. We would fix issue in units after they came off the line. That department is not there any more because they figured it was better to just let the dealers fix the units when they got them or when the customer figured out something was wrong with it. The guy that trained me always felt like these were brand new units and just like you felt like when you got a new car it should be right when you drive off the lot. That is how he felt these units should be but CAT did not think that way. Guess it was a numbers game. If the problem did not show itself until after the warranty was up the customer paid to fix it
A little heat shrink tubing where those wires connect to each other won't hurt either
Plus I’d be tempted to repair the wires with a splice rather than travel to a dealer. Or wait for mail. But would have to find a suitable crimp because I would not trust solder in that hot environment.
@@N4HHE that motor would never get hot enough to melt solder🧐
@james-rk5sd I said nothing about melting. Solder gets soft with higher temperatures. Vibration. Fatal combination. You will not find solder splices under the hood of automobiles. DoD, FAA, NASA, do not allow wires to be soldered to connectors.
Get a small brass tube from the hobby shop which just fits over the wires. Cut about 1/2” length. Fit heat shrink over one wire. Insert stripped wires into tube, overlap the strands. Crush in a crimp tool which folds the center in to pinch the strands. Move the heat shrink over, shrink.
@@N4HHE yes i know what crimp connectors are i have a bunch of bass ones
Great video as always. Kill wire is the problem..
Also been meaning to get the owl tools torx drivers so stopped video and ordered both kinds..then finished the video . Great work..
Thank you for making the model blower searchable by listing it in the title.
The hitch pin you found looks like a bowtie cotter pin used on a mower deck.
it looks like an ariens lm21sw swivel wheel pin
Great tips on troubleshooting
I love your videos, I learn so much on things that are easy fixes, Thanks. GLORY!!!
Thanks for the info. Echo should reinforce these wires. Maybe a Kevlar outter wrap.
Goodmorning from alabama Bre!, Once again Thanks. I can use this to help my 85 yearold father inlaw. Alabama is a big fan.
OBTW 6 years ago I plucked a PB-770 out of the trash, it had no spark plug, water in the cylinder, frozen and the starter was removed. I filled the cylinder with WD-40, put on a new carburettor and started it with a drill. I still use it every season doing my yard and both my neighbors…. The thing is bulletproof!
Nice to know about the kill wires. Thanks for the video. Stay safe.
Just the faces and exaggerated movements you made while you were testing the fix got a thumbs up (and a giggle) from me. Funny! I'm a 8010 owner, so if mine starts exhibiting this issue I'll know exactly what to look for. Thanks for posting up!
Awesome Video!! I have a 9010 and if I ever have this problem I'll know what it is! Thank You! 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for the information 👍
I can see why they'd miss it .. time ... like you said in a race.. field test slides .. same with computers .. software.. any race to market. Smart people like you find these types of things. They really should listen.. if they don't they are missing the boat. Might be ego.. but more like the feedback loop to design is broken and your experience never gets where it can be used. well done.. 😀
I learn something everytime I watch your videos!!!
After a ton of research I went with the PB 9010. It is a beast!
Once again thank you Chickanic for another time, frustration. and money saving tip!
Echo awes you for your fixes on their products. Free stuff? Maybe credit at their order desk.
When I was an echo dealer they never admitted they had any defects. Plus i had lying sorry distributor in Ok city.
When they started cutting dearlers throats by selling in all the box stores. I quit being a dealer! Then they ruined shindaiwa, to hell with them.
When a company have ethics like that and cuts the throats of dealers that feds them they should be run out of business!
Just an aside. The push connectors used on those wires have been problem children for decades. They are not designed for outdoor use contrary to what manufacturers may think. I first ran into them when servicing Honda Motorcycles in the late 1970's. The exposure to contaminants, rain, frost etc creates a corrosive environment and the plating on the metal used form a film. Additionally the connectors often use phosphor bronze and the constant vibration causes a loss of tension. When you combine the corrosion with loss of tension, it sits one up for intermittent failures. On the Hondas, the rider would be riding down the road and suddenly just lose power. That almost invariably tracked back to the wire to the magneto. The fix I used was like yours replace the wires, but also added dielectric grease to the connectors. This went a long ways to keeping out the moisture that caused the corrosion and once I made a repair using the grease, I had no further callbacks. Just my two cents and YMMV.
Great video. Great visual demonstration.
AH, so the Run/Kill switch completes the connection to ground for the coil primary windings and tend to break internally. Thank You.
You do a great job helping people and explaining how to fix equipment.
This is why her so crabing numbers have Jumped. Well deserved! Was watching when she had like 70+ thousand.
Just a Zip Tie many times is more Appropriate for holding wires in place than a Factory set/pinch Position...
The kill wire is probably chaffing on the block which grounds the kill wire. Look at the wire really good to see if the insulation has rubbed through.
Someone please give an Oscar 🏆to this lady
That was a good *CATCH* on YOUR part and ECHO 'should' listen to you. Just think of how many are returned to where they were SOLD and called JUNK - *ECHO - You HEARING ALL THIS* " ? Thank you once again!!!
I'm not going to bite the hand that feeds me - I'll just chew it a little!
Hello, and thank you for your channel. It is so helpful!!!
I live in Western KY. Plez help me, I'm considering a PB 9010t. One of the local Echo retailers, who is also a Stihl dealer, suggested looking more into Stihl. Due to their experience with Echo warranty. This dealer said Echo will not honor anything fuel related. Their warranty claims especially for carburetor issues are being denied. When I asked why the denial , the statement is Echo believes the customer is responsible for proper quality of fuel and oil mixtures, and Echo will not honor fuel related warranty claims. This dealer went on to say they have had several carburetor claims with Stihl, with no problems being issued parts and even carburetor replacement.
What is your current experience??? Any warranty claim denials for fuel related problems? Any advise???
Thank you for your time!!!
I'm wondering about the Al Gore tool set...😁
My Echo string trimmer does the exact same thing! Super frustrating!
So where were those wires shorting to ground ?
The one that goes to the coil needs a flag style terminal endon it. No more kink!
What are your thoughts on the shindaiwa 910? From what I understand it’s the same as the Echo 9010.
Got to confess, when I first came across Chickanic I did not believe that I would be a subscriber from then and still going
Fuel air vent clogged..
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I Love my Echo blowers been using them for over 20 years BUT, every single one has what I call the echo hiccup. For no reason it just seems to skip. No other echo equipment does it. Only my blowers
What is the part number for those wires / where do you get them
Loosen the gas cap.
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beautyfull video
I know they are not "attractive" but you should really be wearing ear protection. I enjoy your videos, keep them coming.
Your da bomb! 👏👏
Have the 8010H and have not had any issues but just wondering if this type problem could occur in this unit?
Now you have a battery backpack blower in Stihl. If you have a bad back i would avoid because once you add the backpack battery it weights more that the BR 800.
Echo stuff is great and so are quite a few other Japanese brands of two stroke machinery.
With all due respect. Isn’t that just a kill wire? Where was it touching ground and killing the spark? Did I miss a bare spot on the kill wire?
Couldn’t you throw all those wire away and the engine would run until it was out of fuel?
OMG Bre , you make me laugh 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I click the allow adds and I still can't use youtube.
Echo has had this problem with their wiring for over 30 years.
This is going to sound d a bit pedantic, please don't take it that way, it's not what I intend it to sound like. Are those actually kill wires or power supply to the coil wires? Don't broken kill wires normally stop the kill switch shorting out the power? For instance I've got a brush cutter with a broken kill wire, still goes perfectly, just won't stop 😮
Another great video. It's not Huskavarna, leave the A out and you are on the money (huhsk·vaa·nuh) ;)
Husqvarna 580BTS is close in power to the 9010 and BR800. The Redmax is no stronger than the Husqvarna. Husqvarna owns Redmax. I prefer the Husqvarna because of the waist belt and it is not as loud.
I have the Echo PB580T backback blower. Are there any issues with this model?
You legit should be on the Echo corporate payroll. You keep investigating until you find the real causes of problems. Repair techs here just either say they can't fix it or that it's fixed when it's not. lol. As a dealer, I hope you have an Echo rep you can let know the problems with their machines.
Can you explain how a break or discontinuity in the coil kill can kill the engine. Usually the kill switch grounds the coil primary circuit to kill the ignition. A discontinuity seems like it would make the machine continue to run even if the switch were activated. Maybe the kill line is grounding where it is pinchd in that little slot? Thanks for showing this!
Rooster, I've seen this a lot as well. The wire she replaced has compromised insulation and is grounding to the engine or bracket that holds it. I wish she would have shown that. The quick home owner fix is to just smear some liquid electrical tape over that wire near the holder. You are correct, a squished wire or one pinched in a plastic shroud is not grounding the primary side of the coil.
@@TheGreasyShopRag I am confident that Chick knows her stuff. Your solution is similar to what I might do, but I can see where a shop like hers or yours might prefer to place a new part. Later!
Exactly right, and she never explained why swinging the nozzle way to the right would cause something here to kill the engine. The pinch points she mentioned were all plastic, and she didn't point out any wear points that could ground accidentally. I think she knows what's going on here, but I remain puzzled.
It's not biting the hand that feeds! It's called feedback! If the manufacturer doesn't get told of issues they're just gonna keep on building machines that fail.
Thanks! You keep on doing you. I appreciate the fact that if it is a problem you'll fix it and show us what the issue is regardless of the toes that may get stepped on. I had NO idea the warranty was 5 years for home owners! That's Bossin (is that even a word?)...LoLz
Wouldn't the wire have to be visibly broken or rubbed to bare wires and grounding out to the case to shut engine down?
This blower made me $3000 this week
Not the problem / broken wire will prevent killing engine Cut or bare wire to ground will kill engine while running
As a former Echo dealer, I found Echo to be the most responsive to dealer service issues. At dealer tech updates, they'd always ask "what have you seen?" An Echo rep would write down problem areas on their equipment the techs mentioned. They would address most of these issues quickly. A great company to deal with, imo.
i had an echo chainsaw, after one year of light use it quit, the local echo dealer refused to even try to put a new clutch on it and i called echo and got a run around hassle, and the saw never got fixed, so much for that 5 year warranty
Everything echo I’ve ever had has lasted. 2 chainsaws 2 backpack blowers and a string trimmer. Never had a problem
@@jimmyf1312 good for you jimmy, you get a cookie
@@corruptduboiscountyindiana5058 oh sorry! I didn’t realize you were allowed to share your experience with echo equipment and no one else was. Douche
@@corruptduboiscountyindiana5058we will list this of things that never happened . You either fried the clutch from misuse under "light use " and refuse to take responsibility or your dealer is a moron. I suspect the first.
What would have been the additional cost at the factory to have installed a better sleeve at potential wear sites on the wire? It seems to me that some of the new wires are coming out with very weak wear resistant insulation on some wires.
Sure if you are a factory and have to order 8,000 pre-crimped (assembled ) kill wires, and a supplier can come in with a cheaper rubber insulation (7% cost saving to the previous year's order of kill wires, guess which supplier gets the contract going forward?
This is what happens when accountants make mechanical decisions @@TheAefril
Wait Husqvarna 580mark 3 is the same as the redmax .. why dos everyone hate on Husqvarna. 1000. Cfm. The Husqvarna 570 972 cfm. There blowers all of them are over looked.. . I have the 9010 got this year. Grass ain't greener on the other side blew up 3cweeks uncomfortable... but it's the most powerful... lol. You made a video on it.. yep. They didn't fix the problem.. love all your videos... ❤️ Husqvarna a little more 😅. They need it.😢. Thanks 👍
Yo chickanik I like ur videos n I'm asking about why my chain saw I think it's a farmboss bt it has that 1 knob on the top cause I just bought it at a pawn shop so anyway the question is why is the chain just keeps turning when I start it n I rave it n it wants to stop n I put the brake on then take it off it will just keep turning would like to have ur good advice chickanik
This is awesome. I have a PB8010 that is about 5 years old and I use a LOT on my 2 acres in the fall. Never had a lick of trouble with it yet, but when it does this I'll know where to look!
For a while there I thought it might have been scared of heights, stopping once it was up on the operators back. Thanks for the videos and tech, mate 👍🇦🇺
Use a 755 for regular size properties, but have the 9010 for very large properties. Looking forward to fall, the 9010 should do excellent cleaning up leaves.
WHICH NEW LARGEST UNIT DOES NOT HAVE ISSUES CHICKANIC ???
Where you said "squishness," as you rotate the wire for the camera, the wire is showing inside the insulation. It's just a small dot, but enough to likely be the problem.
Good class thanks
May I suggest perhaps using high flex wire and heat shrink and some other type of strain relief to make your own wires instead of using the crappy ones it came with? Those blade terminal connectors are cheap. Obviously not if a warranty thing but this looks like something that could be upgraded for less than the $1.99 and $2.99. I bought a Redmax in 2011 and was suspicious of the controls being on the blower outlet and opted for the model with the controls on the left however I am grateful for your videos and I have fixed so much of my stuff from ideas you share. Thank you!
The kill switch works by grounding the coil. You have a short to ground (the short block) on the wire from the coil.
Right, and I still didn’t see where it was happening. That suspicious looking little spot didn’t seem to be worn through.
Good catch, Echo makes good equipment and not a terrible fix once you figure out what the issue is. Cheers.
I live on a large lot with a lot of trees, mainly pine and oak, and have used both my Husqvarna 150BT and Husqvarna 580BTS leaf blowers a lot. The only thing I've ever had happened to them was a broken cut-off switch wire on the 150BT. I've been extremely pleased with both of them. I know the STIHL and the Echo blowers are the go to for the professionals, but the Husqvarnas have served me well.
HOUND DOG FLARE ! To find a permanent fix , great work !
You are incredible! Submit your application to Echo's R & D department as a "Consultant." Consultants make ridiculously big salaries
Thanks to you, I bought an Echo 2511 chainsaw and couldn't be happier. Great saw!
Echo used to make great tools. I've had leaf blowers, chain saws, hedge trimmers, and string trimmers from Echo. The last couple of Echo products I bought are garbage. They both stopped working after a few uses. The 5 year warrantee isn't as good as it sounds. It takes me 45 minutes to drive to the nearest service shop. I drop it off and wait a week or two. If they determine its not a warrantee issue it will cost $80 to inspect it, and more than it cost to fix it. Plus I've spent 3 hours driving. If I wanted a disposable tool I would have bought a Homelite.
get to the point because you didn't save time
Good thing to know thank you very much you take care be safe
누님 영상 잘봤어요^^
저는 한국에 거주중이구요. Pb8010과 pb9010중에 어떤것을 구매해야할지 고민중이에요. 한국에서는 8010만 정식판매중이고 9010은 미국에서 수입해야해요. 9010이 400달러정도 더비싼데 무었을 구매해야할까요? 누님의 선택은?
Our shop has sold over 200 8010s and 9010s and 910 Shindiawa's only real problem that we have seen with them is fuel filter pluging issues, mostly in commercial use. Have not seen any kill wire issues yet, but will keep it in mind. Commercial opperators just carry a fuel filter or two in truck and change it out when unit gets low on power or won't rev up. A few broken main frames from one gulf coarse that keeps droping them off carts is the only other issue we have seen with them.
I have learned a lot from you
REALLY love the content and amazing tips. Thank you.
How do you feel about the Husqvarna 580BTS 3?? Honest opinion as always ❤❤