Artsy Fan C-Table - A Fun Experiment!
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My new shop assistant Jon likes to dabble in design. He posted a cool little table idea to his Instagram feed and I thought it would make a fun experiment for TWW. We put our heads together and came up with a prototype. As you probably know by now, even prototypes can be beautiful and functional so Jon took the table home and put it to work. After that first proof of concept, I really wanted to take a second crack at the design with a few changes that put a slight Spag-spin on it and you'll see that one at the end of the video.
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We have some basic plans for this if you'd like to try to build one for yourself, but you definitely need to measure your couch before starting. thewoodwhisperer.com/videos/artsy-fan-c-table-a-fun-experiment/
Sick PS5 flex
Love both the designs. Dovetails for the bottom joinery would be a cool change as well.
@@sethrosendahl: I had to look that one up. But, yeah, I see it. Good call.
I love your philosophy and builds.
One of favorite science quotes “If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants.” ― Isaac Newton. Now after listening to you I will use it in my woodshop also.
There's something about this video that I think makes it my favorite of this year. I really enjoyed the attitude of "Let's try it and see if it works," and I really appreciate you showing the broken one. Thank you for all that you do, Marc. You inspired me with this video.
Hey Marc,
Your last few minutes talk seem to have eased my mind. Because I always thought that I am copying or stealing ideas from others but really we are only getting inspired. Thanks for being honest in sharing it. I am at ease now🙂.
I like the end where you give your take on design . Great way you evolved the original design.
Thank you very much!
Agree. I love the fact that Marc gives credit where due always. Great, great video. Excellent explanations of the whole process. And yep, you took it to another level, Marc. Dang, I want to build one of these.
As a professional designer I was taught to go with what you know works, so there’s no shame in taking an idea and enhancing it.
I had fun making these. I made two smaller models. I used only one vertical finger assembly for each consisting of 11 boards each. One thing I did differently was that I dado cut both tops and a scrap piece at the same time. This allowed me to glue the fingers into the table top while using the scrap piece at the bottom for support and to keep things straight. Then I glued the spacers in and trimmed to length. Thanks for the inspiration.
This is the type of vid why I subbed to TWW all those years ago and ended up a woodworker a decade later. Thanks Marc!
"Always build upon the work of other people" Thanks for saying that. I got into woodworking just a couple of years ago and sometimes feel guilty for copying a build from youtube. It took me a while to change that mentality. Awesome design build!
Have to say, to me, best video period. A friend says; “Hey I drew this out what do you think?” You, “Let’s give it a shot!” You went full in on the design to give the design the full opportunity to fruition despite your concerns. As a new wood worker right now I am getting all my ideas from people like you and others. Thanks for sharing.
About your consideration "one design is stiffer than the other" --> This has little to do with the fan shape or parallel-shape of the fingers.
For a cantilever, the stiffness scales as the cube of the length. For example, if one table is 1.26 times as tall as the other, its stiffness will be ~ half, all other things being constant.
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Yep. I said the same thing, but you said it better than I did, because math.
@@ericcasteel1379 Haha, math ftw. :) Did you watch Prof. Dan Gelbart's excellent video (linked above)?
I think Marc was referencing side to side flex and not so much of the cantilever flex. It's somewhat obvious that the longer piece will have a bit more flex than the shorter piece but I think the extra tension of the perpendicular fingers helps quite a bit when we're talking side to side flex. The fingers are simply stiffer.
Obviously, wider and/or thicker strips would help with the flex and twist as well. Steam would make larger strips easier to bend. The point at which the short strips stop will also make a difference.
Marc, the flexibility of a beam varies with the cube of length (L^3), so the taller 2nd version became more flexible just by virtue of the increased height (beam length). Length was probably a more significant factor than tension from the reentrant curve.
This is beautiful, and seems relatively accessible for hobbyists to attempt. Well done. Also, nice PS5 flex at the end there...
First, Jon had a really great idea. It's a very nice design. It's light and easy to implement. Lots of room for innovation too. I think the flex on the taller one is mostly due to the extra height. Second, the format of this production is outstanding. I like that you are working out the design and construction points during the production. This is not a "Here are the plans go make one" video. This is a both educational and entertaining production. I see you left out the dowells on the second one. I think they were unneeded. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay healthy.
Thanks for the feedback Glen. The second actually does have dowels. It’s just harder to see oak on cherry. 😊
I really enjoy the discussion about details, and especially why what worked or didn't.
Hi Marc,
You and David will always be my favorite woodworkers. You have built a bridge from the past to the future. Indeed many stand on your shoulders. In a world of time lapse projects and plywood, you still stand out. You deserve a quiet “That’ll do Pig. That’ll do.” So here’s one from a fan and an internet friend. Keep it up.
Jim
Very kind of you Jim!
Learning and applying new techniques is one of my favorite aspects of woodworking. It was really fun watching you do it! Super neat project that I suspect has the mental gears of many woodworkers turning.
Marc, great project! Classic WW combo of light and dark woods. The "springiness" is due to a longer "beam" length, or height of the walnut shelf. This longer length of the fanned fingers allows the shelf to deflect further given the same load as the other shelf. All else being equal...
Very cool project. I could see adding another variation by using different widths in the thin strips. Or possibly creating an arch with them for added stability.
Thank you Marc for sharing this project, as always, a great build. I watched your video on the step stool (about a hundred times) you did a 15 degree on it, I dont have that jig you used on the table saw so I made one for a 5 degree for the sides of a sideboard, your work has always inspired me. Thank you Marc
Grateful thanks for sharing your wisdom and experience, Marc.
I really appreciate your take on design building on previous experiences of others even. By my standards this would really stretch my competence. 🙏🏾
I just had this exact talk with my podcast partner right after our recording. He brought the advise and you reinforced it. Thank you Mr. Whisperer. You're a pretty smart guy no matter what Matt says about you. Cheers
The fan design of the vertical elements is very nice, I enjoy tinkering with designs like that. As an architect, I can tell you that design changes are driven by material advances, more than anything else. And our ever changing lifestyles impact design as well, more than you would think. Thanks for pointing out the evolution of design in the built environment!
I used to use the analogy about the wheel , albeit a little differently stated ,when I used to race cars: "I didn't invent the wheel but I'm here to make it roll faster!"
Another BEAUTIFUL piece! Thank you for sharing!
A very beautiful design and build! Thanks, Marc and Jon, for sharing your creativity and excellence.
That looks ABSOLUTELY COOL! You could make one that is a bit wider & then they could match the one you did but use for chairs. They look wicked
Man these are both such an awesome design. I think I prefer the single bend just a little more, it just looks a little more smooth. Great work guys
I was finishing up a bowl today on the lathe thinking I need a cool flat work project. This hit it out of the park! Thx bud, hope all is well been to long since we last talked at the woodworkers shows!
Could the springiness on the larger table be from the added length? Seems if you made spacers longer as well that would lessen the amount of play.
Yes, exactly.
A dowel run through somewhere up the span would do it as well.
A pattern of dowel segments connecting 2+ adjacent strips would work also
Anything which prevents the vertical movement of one slat to the next locks them into place.
A sort of Kumiko design ( geometric repeating pattern ... aka a lattice of some sort) would work extremely well ... done properly it would add to the minimalist appearance you could play with the width of the connecting strips to give it a 3D patterning as well ... all sorts of possibilities
Mark, one of your best videos in my humble opinion. Couldn’t agree more with your wrap up!
I really like that. nice work man!
Thanks man!
When I attended design school. I was shocked to see an experienced designer using velum or tracing paper. I honestly believed every part of ones work should be original. I guess I learned a lot at that moment. It's just a matter of efficiency. I still strive to be original, and in many ways this might actually handicap potential. I do feel you are correct. Inspiration is inspiration. The beloved FLW took boatloads of inspiration from traditional Japanese architecture.
I definitely like your boy’s design. He’s new to woodworking and coming up with better stuff than I do after years of it. Lol. Kudos to you both.
@@TheSnowboardhippie oh my bad. When he said new shop guy I assumed that meant new to the craft. I apologize and stand corrected. Still a beautiful design whether from novice or old timer. Lol
I've watched this a few times since you posted. I would never be able to design this but LOVE how funky, yet delicate, it is. My next big tool purchase will be a drum sander and I think this will be one of the first pieces I build with it.
Thank you!
love the developmental process and creativity outlook you mentioned at the end of the video!
there is a guy on youtube that builds in that exact style but he doesn’t glue strips of wood together, instead he makes cuts into the boards creating an accordion type pull-spring design and he flex’s them into many different types of projects an i believe mostly tables.
i’ll gladly share his videos and/or his name if i can find him and/or his videos.
that C table looks really cool.
nice idea !
Beautifully done! You learn by pushing your boundaries and seeing what happens.
Gorgeous, elegant. One of the best builds I've seen. I agree with you, the compound curve must be what gives greater stiffness - unexpected, but clearly demonstrated.
The various accents and modifications, especially for the second one, are striking. Looking forward to making my own evolution.
Great video!
Beautiful looking pieces. Really like John's design style. Also like the way you iterate off of it and create a new piece. loots great.
Design is a lot like music. And that’s exactly how I approach it, borrowing from you and a bunch of other creators, mixing and matching techniques and ideas, often on a single project, until I have something I like. 😎
Those tables look really smart, bit of an art deco vibe going on. I like them!
Hey Marc, I'm a long time listener first time caller. I just want to say this is an exceptional piece. I have been pondering on a design for awhile. Spot on with the design inspiration. We don't have to recreate the wheel if we don't have to. A little inspiration can go a long way.
You made the right choice as far as grain direction on the top piece. Like you said, if the grain goes the other way it could create a "fault line", and it would also mean that the fan, legs...whatever theyre called :P ....are mainly glued to end grain....much stronger the way you have it made. Very well done sir, this is an awesome build :)
I didn't think I'd like it, but at the end I really do. Really appreciate the compare and contrast of the two slightly different interpretations.
I love those designs! May I suggest you test the strength of the builds by pushing the remaining failed one to the breaking point? That's something I'd like to see, by the way!
Nice job! I didn't know you came from a bioscience background Mark. I'm a biochemist who has built a portable woodshop out of my garage. You have taught me and inspired me over the past couple years with your videos.
This is awesome- for the design process, and your excitement level! I was wondering on the original why not make the base attachment finger joints? May have added too much complexity. Like others have said, this is peak WW! All the reasons I love your videos.
Yeah that's a good call. I think we were so focused on the top fan element that the base became something of an afterthought. Further iterations would definitely call for playing with the base a little more.
I love that you have a beautiful giant rubo, with a dozen ways to hold the piece down... but you also have an assistant that can do it!
Cool design. Reminds me of Seth Rolland's work . He's well worth looking into.
The second one, seems like it would hold more weight- maybe not so sturdy but the henge side would be less likely to collapse. Also for that small little piece you want to salvage, would be cool piece to mount on the wall like a shelf maybe hanging a plant or candle from the underside.
You are a doctor of wood working. Always over the top.
Such a cool video - great design, craftsmanship and education, all wrapped up in an entertaining and smooth edit. Thank you.
During the whole build I was thinking you should angle the cuts on top. This also eliminates the need for the dowel at the bottom because the stress is directed inward rather than outward. I don't think the additional wobble is that noticeable. Nice piece.
There’s still plenty of outward stress at the base. I did dowel it for that reason. Maybe less stress than the other orientation but it’s still there.
John, you are, obviously, a talented "dabbler".
Congratulations, on a beautiful and functional design.
I have been looking forward to this build since you teased it on the podcast.
It would be interesting to take the split portion one and do a failure test on it.
Love different engineering of a seemingly simple project idea.
1 - I love your pencil choice! I have 5 of them in different lead thickness and lead hardness that I've been using for over 10yrs when I'm hand drafting (I'm a scenic designer for theatre). Love, love, love them! Especially for the .3 pencil as I'm super afraid of dropping it and bending the lead sleeve at the tip. But with these, just a quick "click" and it disappears back into the base!
2 - Totally get your philosophy of design. It can be great to come up with something new and original, but there's nothing wrong with taking an existing design idea, tweaking it a little, and making it your own. Isn't that what the old apprentice learning style was about, learning from a master then going out to do your own thing. I know in the arts, we study (and often recreate) master works to see why they are considered master works, then you can take those principles and run with them, or even break them. Good on ya!
Awesome. So nice to hear the design philosophy and to watch a real artist.
Many thanks.
Cool idea, I like it. I'm starting to wonder what this design as an end table would look like. One on each side and shorter and maybe with a light post up the middle. Makes the mind run wild. Anyway, great design and idea.
Big pat on the back to John, knocked it out the park on the design, nice looking project
Thanks for posting the plans for this. I was planning on building two tables like this. But I was not finding any designs that I liked. This is beautiful. I am looking forward to building these.
Allot of great wood info in this one. Thanks mark 👍
Great project. I like the first one, but that second one is greatness. Very Art Deco.
That is beautiful. Great idea Jon, you're lucky to have a boss like this. keep it up.
Awesome project also a great advice on the design of other woodworkers. Im a bit like that cause when i see a design i change some of it but still it comes from someone's mind. Keep up the great work.
Awesome project Marc! I might have to make one myself. I like that little shot of the Dual Sense at the end there. Glad you were one of the lucky ones who managed to get ahold of a PS5!
"If I have seen further it is by standing on the sturdy furniture of giants."
- Sir Isaac Newton, maybe
Mark, great video.
The parting shot at the end is so true to life, very few have the wow idea, but we can all " make better " .
I saw this video a while back. Now I was looking fir an idea for a sofa table. This vid popped up. I just want to say again: "Thanks for all the fish". Your videos not only inspired me, but also helped me in learning the trade. Cheers!
Experimenting with John. New free site series!
Love the outcome and evolution.
great job on the tables Marc, the last 10 minutes or so of chatting design was a highlight
Beautiful design. Loved your comments at the end. That’s exactly the way I work.
You guys do amazing work! I’m glad that John is co tribute for to the channel and he really nailed it.
From a physics standpoint, the ‘springiness’ of the taller one is as much (or more) a function of its height as it is the compound curve of the fan. Also, it appears that the point of connection on the taller one (where the fan is glued to the table top) the fan is slightly narrower than on the short table, which would also decrease stability. But that narrowness might just be an optical illusion; hard to tell on video. Either way, gorgeous pieces. Kudos to John for the design idea.
This is going to be my next project. I'm glad Aditya Mehendale cleared up the stiffness issue because I think esthetical your take on the design looks better.
Nice flex with the PS5. lol. I like this simple yet complex looking build.
Was going to say the same thing. I guess he had to flex in another way after talking about the flex in the tables.
Very Cool 😎! There's a lot of mileage to be had with these Fan-C legs! Cool experimental build!
Outstanding work and idea, like the book matching walnut the must.
Nice video guys and cool design John! The serendipitous miter cuts on the spacers definitely added some cool flavor, good call keeping them. :)
That turned out really awesome. I was a bit sceptical when I saw the video thumbnail but I really like it. Super cool
Well done gentleman! Beautiful work and beautiful philosophy!
Very cool. I wonder how that fan design might work for table legs or chair backs. You have the squirrels in my head running in the wheel.
😂😂 You got brain squirrels too?
Thanks for your thoughts towards the end. I'm new to this hobby and don't consider myself very artistic, but I'm pretty good at creative problem solving and critical thinking. I tend to take original ideas and tweak them as well. I hardly ever sketch something out and almost never build off plans. I usually see something that inspires me and break it down in my head then figure out the build as I go. I've felt inadequate for not coming up with my own ideas, but I guess if we all do what we're best at then we're all better off. Now... how to make your table better 🤔 (for me 😉)
Stare at it listen to it, rub your hands over it. It will tell you what it wants to be.
The stiffness is different for two different reasons. On the tall one, it's, well, taller. The longer the beam, the easier to defect.
Second, on the short one, you're deflecting the vertical pieces A LOT More than on the tall one. So the deflection is just higher. The S curve probably didn't help as much. Very cool tho. 👍
Quick thought. Maybe laminate the base with a cross grain piece in the middle (3 layers). Gives the opportunity to add the other color to the base as well.
He looks very proud. Good work and thanks a lot for the plans.
Love it. Really enjoyed watching the insta storys of the build. I'm thinking next time dovetail it together 😅. It wouldn't be too hard either if you use bent lamination so they are a little thicker with a top and bottom piece like you have to hold the shape then cut the dovetails. and cut pins into a final top and bottom piece.
Beautiful job!. I've been looking to make a eating table like that to. Thank for showing this.
I think the reason the second table wiggles more than the first is about physics.
Torque is force times the lever arm. The lever arm starts where the spacers end. Because the second table is taller, the lever arm is longer which multiplied the torque and makes more wiggle. If you had made the spacers proportionally longer, I think the stiffness would have been the same.
@@EngineerMikeF so my assumption that the wiggle starts at the end of the spacers is flawed. The true lever arm extends all the way to the base. Got it.
The spacers add stiffness.
My Physics is rusty. Been 36 years since I studied it
Love this design! May have already been said here, but I'm thinking it might be best to first affix the slats to the top, then clamp and glue them together at the base...
Great job on these. Def going to be making some of these with an epoxy wood top.
Excelente idea y excelente trabajo! Felicitaciones! Germán, Montevideo, Uruguay
This design is beautiful! And I really like the way you take us by hand in the process
Loved this one! Thanks, I may just pursue this some day. Could use a few of these around here, even beside a rocker, or any old chair. Always irritating not have a place for a one's drink, bowl of popcorn, remote, mouse...
Thanks again, and Merry Christmas to you & yours! Enjoy your time without social media. :-)
I believe you can repair the broken one so that it is almost invisible that it was ever cracked. Make some dowel holes for alignment into the base plate, into the crack faces, to ensure perfect alignment, then just glue as you would glue a panel. Even if the repair remains slightly visible, it's in a place where nobody looks - it will be under the couch in regular use.
After seeing this I would love to see one made with a sort of hourglass design for the strips. As in finger joints on both the top and bottom and a solid block in the middle. You would probably have to put the slots a bit closer together so as not to put too much stres on the wood. If I ever get the tools required I'd like to try this.
I really loved the idea... Would be nice to expand it to another projects like panels, coffee tables and a lot more
Love it, made one for the wife. We both think it is beautiful. Thanks guys
Thanks for providing free plans for this. This WILL be made for me and my lazy-boy.
I get inspiration from everything you build. I really like your style!
I am the same way with song writing. To write a full song, I lack...but when my band has a basic riff to start with, I write parts that make the song really catchy. I just need a starting point to get me going!
Hope to see more unique builds like this really soon!
:)
❤️🤙
Funny thing. I wasn't a musician but I was a drummer back in the day. ;) And I felt the same way about drumming to a song. Give me something to start with and I'd have a field day creatively. Give me a blank slate and I'd hammer out something pretty vanilla.
Watching your channel for long time and really enjoy it. I really respect you giving the credit to John for the design. Great design and great improvements. Well done guys.
Thank you very much!
Thank you for sharing this I’ve been looking for some new projects and there’s lots of ideas in this piece they are definitely going to take forward love the legs just think the top of the base needs something I don’t know why it doesn’t look right I think it may be the fact that there is square but as you say it’s an experiment there is definitely some food for thought thanks again