@@thelegitidiot9391 he has to press forget me now just before he picks up the active item he wants to take with him. in this case he put spindown dice on the pedestal and use forget me now but bro was I guess confused or sumn cuz he put down the forget me now and tried to use spindown dice instead lmao.
I remember proposing an idea for an item like this a while back. "Supernova" would be the Planetarium equivalent of Goat Head/Eucharist, guaranteeing Planetariums once picked up. Could also have something in the vein of Duality (off the top of my head- "Solar Eclipse") that gives the option of Treasure Rooms OR Planetariums, but not both. Could also have a trinket in the vein of Dark Prince's Crown ("Meteorite," or something) that turns Treasure Rooms into Planetariums when held but can be dropped if one desires. I feel like so much more could be done with the Planetarium mechanic than just "skip item rooms to _maybe_ get items that MIGHT be good."
I think making them 100% is too strong, especially if you also get a treasure room. That's 2 free items per floor if you get it. Maybe it raises it to a 25% chance of getting a Planetarium and you get a key drop if it doesn't work. Then you can play around either keeping the key for the Planetarium on the next floor or use the key on the treasure room now and hope you get lucky if you're low on keys, somehow.
Dude, you nailed it, literally that's the best idea I've seen with the planetarium mechanic, even the names of the items are cool, now you made me wish we had something like that, especially the supernova one, probably making it quality 4 or secret pool
You should try the Mars Trigger mod, it lets you bind Mars to a specific key instead of double-tapping. Genuinely one of my favorite planetarium items because of it.
mattman, Mars makes you invincible during your dash attack. you aren't clipping though the brimstone laser, Mars is just granting you s so you don't take damage (it would work even if you were a normal size). you also did the Forget Me Now trick the wrong way round (you're supposed to use Forget Me Now as you run into Spindown Die; instead you ending up rerolling the Forget Me Now pedestal)
Lets be real, for what theyre worth, planetariums need at least ONE quality 4 item to make them worth going for. You’re skipping out on treasure rooms, of which have infinitely better items, for a chance at something decent, that or you rely on the incredibly rare 1%. I do think that the majority of planetarium items are at least decent, but nothing is incredible.
Just a quick note: with just a few size downs and a pony dash/something similar like mars dash in a crawl space, it’s very easy to clip through the floor or walls and Error Room on demand
Hey Matt :) Just wanted to say that I've been interested in modding Isaac for a while, I could easily turn these ideas you have into reality every time :)
HAPPY 420TH VIDEO ON THE MAIN CHANNEL been waiting all year to say that. But seriously, it's insane how it's been so long already. I've been a big fan since day 1 and you've continued to entertain. May the next 420 days be just as good!
6:49 i think that what happened here is that the mod that *replaces* treasure rooms updates every time you enter a room so naturally entering new floor didn't trigger it 9:20 small min-max tip: mars allows for free curse rooms 11:22 so, to summorize, some games don't check collisions in a way that they check if you would go past the wall and then teleports you back, but instead if your HITBOX would collide with the wall in the next frame. With that in mind, mars passes about 1 tile per frame and normally isaac's hitbox is large enough to predict that "oh, he would be in the wall next frame so i will teleport him to the side from which he came from" but of course because you have pluto game is like "well, isaac isn't in the wall next frame so there is probably nothing in front of him. Everything is accept : ) 👍". Of course i don't have the source code or anything and it's just a speculation on my part. Sorry for that long paragraph Thank you for making grand return of planetarium items
There's a Mod I like which adds a Zodiac item as an alternative item choice in Planetarium rooms so getting Mars and Jupiter don't hurt as much. Plus sometimes the Zodiac item is better like Scorpio and Capricorn especially.
My reasoning for skipping at least one treasure room is that while sure, the best planetarium items don't really compete with the best treasure room items, even jupiter or mars are still way better than stuff like butter bean or angry fly lol And skipping only the first treasure room doesn't really affect the run that much, while basically guaranteeing the planetarium will show up eventually. Sometimes it won't, but you gotta be pretty unlucky in my experience.
I feel like there could be a fun passive item that increases the chance of a planetarium to 100% after skipping a treasure room, but resets to 0 after spawning one, so you need to keep skipping.
speaking of Mars i recently found a new interaction i didnt knew about the other day, T Forgotten can move with it without being thrown by the soul and i think that is funny and it was not terrible for once using that item
YOmattman i got deadgod a while a go but i got into isaac once again thanks to you, loves man probably my favorite channel to watch while doing other stuff, lots of love man
i know this is kinda a hot take, but mars is legit my top 3 planetarium item behind terra and uranus being able to enter curse rooms for free, and how much damage becomes much easier to dodge makes it really OP (also it makes tainted jacob much easier)
I'd imagine the mod alters the room generation part of isaac's code, specifically the part that generates treasure rooms, and altered the generated room type to be planetarium instead of treasure room. Guessing tho, I would genuinely love to know how they did it!
I had an idea for a challenge just now: Give yourself the the different items/trinkets that spawn pickups on hit or just in general(old banadge, fanny pack, etc) and the challenge is: You can only pick up consumables spawned from those items/trinkets. You could even give yourself sackhead or d20 for variety. Lastly, Bag of crafting could be added since it's in theme(but that could also make the video more boring because bag of crafting is very straightforward)
if you are that tiny and have pluto, you can also clip trough stones and cliffs if you have 2 speed. I resently found that out in a run where i had Pluto and like 4 or 5 size down pills
book of belial with black candle and pentagram gives about 30% more chance of a pact appearing, with school backpack and book of revelations it goes up even more
Ranking every planetarium item as a casual (console) player: Sol: i do really like that but I wish it would do something in the boss fight! Luna: Luna is so good, more secret rooms are always crazy and then this little buff you get from it!! Find X-ray vision, blue map or anything like that and its so op!! Mercurius: that item is so good it you don't want to waste any charges on your active item! Venus: it's nothing crazy, it can save you some damage but at the end of the day, you take it and forget about it for the rest if the run Terra: do I even have to say it? Crazy good, my personal fav. You find every secret room, get every tinted rock and get every crawlspace, a run winner. Mars: fuck that item. Jupiter: I don't hate this item but it's not wroth going for, if you skip a treasure room for that it's just disappointing. I never saw someone actually using it effectively Saturnus: I love that item but I hate it at the same time. Every time I get saturnus I also get trisagion and I can't see shit with that combo, it's so annoying Uranus: I love that item, I love the freeze effect but you kinda need piercing with it imo Neptunes: it's good for the first few floors but after that you don't really use it, right? But crazy good with rock bottom Pluto: it's good but so annoying at times
Dude that blind mars gave me PTSD from the awesome run I had with Jacob and Esau (whats rare since I hate playing with them) and got a 1% blind planetarium and it was a fucking damn Mars controlling two characters is already hard enough without one of them dashing randomly (I know its not random but we all know how it feels when playing with mars)
i would like mars a lot more if it was a super short dash that gave i-frames that you could use to dodge projectiles, similar to enter the gungeon (which i still think Matt should play btw)
you actually dont need mars to do that you just need max speed and pluto. i discover this not long ago and sometimes when i was zooming tru rooms i accidentally walk tru spaces between rocks or right on big hole and just walking on it. its super cool
thats good with said synergy since the tboi wiki has not document it yet the mars + pluto (ps if you don't have tarnished eden yet ill tell ya you need to do the same thing to get the forgoten but with tarnished eden then go to starter room then grab the gliched photo then try to open the dogma door)
I'm surprised Matt didn't know about Mars Pluto just a bit since I remember Slay having a vid about that which kinda blew up, afaik it's the main way people found out about it lol
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Damn, not only did mattman forget that the mars dash normally has invincibility, but he also forgot how to do the forget me now trick.
Yea
He also forgot to fight mega stan lmao
lmoa why did he do it the wrong way round
@@sdaniaal mattman moment
dementia man
Matt forgetting how to do the forget me now trick in the most painful way and skipping mega Satan. Truly the Mattiest of Lazy moments
What's the trick for forget me now?
@@thelegitidiot9391 he has to press forget me now just before he picks up the active item he wants to take with him. in this case he put spindown dice on the pedestal and use forget me now but bro was I guess confused or sumn cuz he put down the forget me now and tried to use spindown dice instead lmao.
Ironic
yeah ik i was going to comment that lol
I remember proposing an idea for an item like this a while back. "Supernova" would be the Planetarium equivalent of Goat Head/Eucharist, guaranteeing Planetariums once picked up. Could also have something in the vein of Duality (off the top of my head- "Solar Eclipse") that gives the option of Treasure Rooms OR Planetariums, but not both. Could also have a trinket in the vein of Dark Prince's Crown ("Meteorite," or something) that turns Treasure Rooms into Planetariums when held but can be dropped if one desires.
I feel like so much more could be done with the Planetarium mechanic than just "skip item rooms to _maybe_ get items that MIGHT be good."
5 head levels of thinking
This should be a thing to be honest!
I think making them 100% is too strong, especially if you also get a treasure room. That's 2 free items per floor if you get it. Maybe it raises it to a 25% chance of getting a Planetarium and you get a key drop if it doesn't work. Then you can play around either keeping the key for the Planetarium on the next floor or use the key on the treasure room now and hope you get lucky if you're low on keys, somehow.
Dude, you nailed it, literally that's the best idea I've seen with the planetarium mechanic, even the names of the items are cool, now you made me wish we had something like that, especially the supernova one, probably making it quality 4 or secret pool
it would be better if it would be called just "Eclipse" instead "Solar Eclipse" imo
13:00 we not gonna talk about how isaac without mars, just walked over a gap...... bro's evolving.
Wow he truly does
Jesus moment
pluto moment
he said nuh uh
Yea i did see it and no one was talking about
19:54 mega mush Isaac looking normal sized cuz mat was so tiny is hilarious
no one gonna talk about how matt just flew at 13:00 after his dash
Matt using bombs when he has Terra makes me cry every time
20:44 Matt try to make the strat in the opposite way 💀
yeah I fr got confused for a sec
Had me dead af. I was like: ...wait... he is about to-
You should try the Mars Trigger mod, it lets you bind Mars to a specific key instead of double-tapping. Genuinely one of my favorite planetarium items because of it.
Matt: Pluto + mars = god synergy
How to jump: “cry’s”
yeah, but htj takes up the valuable active slot.
@@inanis5888they were saying that htj is worse than Mars plus pluto
@@inanis5888 and also htj is not dealing massive damage like mars
It would be really cool if you got treasure room chance for every planetarium you skip!
it would
it would be pointless
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Balls
Fellas…
There's a small chance Matt may have a remembering mars gives you invincibility arc. Sequel to the bomb immunity arc.
13:20 wouldnt hush floor with this mod be absolutely op??
2 planetariums in 1 floor is insane
Fun fact: if you have the crystal ball active item and skip a treasure room you actually get the 100% chance instead of the 20%
anyone else think mattman saying 'luna, yippee!' was genuinely adorable? 6:56
Yeah
mattman, Mars makes you invincible during your dash attack. you aren't clipping though the brimstone laser, Mars is just granting you s so you don't take damage (it would work even if you were a normal size). you also did the Forget Me Now trick the wrong way round (you're supposed to use Forget Me Now as you run into Spindown Die; instead you ending up rerolling the Forget Me Now pedestal)
Day 82 of asking mattman to play as golem
you fid day 79 2 yimes so it’s actually day 82 :)
@@sandrex9948it was the same day probably
@@sandrex9948jesus christ your spelling
@@sandrex9948damn you right thanks
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Not remembering that going through brims isn’t some synergy but just basic mars invincibility is truly a MATTMAN MOMENT
10:46 gotta love the beat drop as soon as Mattman spots the planetarium
And the mom laugh
Lets be real, for what theyre worth, planetariums need at least ONE quality 4 item to make them worth going for. You’re skipping out on treasure rooms, of which have infinitely better items, for a chance at something decent, that or you rely on the incredibly rare 1%. I do think that the majority of planetarium items are at least decent, but nothing is incredible.
he tried to pick up the forget me know while holding spindown, truly a mattman moment
Then he forgot that he could fight mega satan
Planetariums and the tech items are probably my two favorite "things" in isaac
what do you mean by "things"
Just a quick note: with just a few size downs and a pony dash/something similar like mars dash in a crawl space, it’s very easy to clip through the floor or walls and Error Room on demand
I did it on accident recently, and I wasn't even dashing. I had high speed and smol size while dropping from a ladder.
Hey Matt :) Just wanted to say that I've been interested in modding Isaac for a while, I could easily turn these ideas you have into reality every time :)
13:03 I really like how he just slams face first into the door and inserts a key lol
2:20 you could've just asked😘
💀
Nah 💀😂
21:07 real mattman moment
Never mind
Quick tip if you want to go planetariums matt, if you go to the beast path, You can pick Up the items you missed out on, basically negating the risk.
Truly a Mattman moment
I had one of the worst days ever at the restaurant, just to come home and see you've uploaded. Now I have something nice to end my day with :)
HAPPY 420TH VIDEO ON THE MAIN CHANNEL
been waiting all year to say that. But seriously, it's insane how it's been so long already. I've been a big fan since day 1 and you've continued to entertain. May the next 420 days be just as good!
6:49 i think that what happened here is that the mod that *replaces* treasure rooms updates every time you enter a room so naturally entering new floor didn't trigger it
9:20 small min-max tip: mars allows for free curse rooms
11:22 so, to summorize, some games don't check collisions in a way that they check if you would go past the wall and then teleports you back, but instead if your HITBOX would collide with the wall in the next frame. With that in mind, mars passes about 1 tile per frame and normally isaac's hitbox is large enough to predict that "oh, he would be in the wall next frame so i will teleport him to the side from which he came from" but of course because you have pluto game is like "well, isaac isn't in the wall next frame so there is probably nothing in front of him. Everything is accept : ) 👍". Of course i don't have the source code or anything and it's just a speculation on my part.
Sorry for that long paragraph
Thank you for making grand return of planetarium items
There's a Mod I like which adds a Zodiac item as an alternative item choice in Planetarium rooms so getting Mars and Jupiter don't hurt as much. Plus sometimes the Zodiac item is better like Scorpio and Capricorn especially.
7:08 I was thinking when u picked that trinket up how it would work becuase I'm pretty sure planetariums already appear on womb
Maybe the real planetariums were the friends we made along the way
No, planetarium is just planetarium.
@@PolarD1ok but where is your proof
@@gutentagdoggo2094 legalize nuclear bombs
@@chiller6912right, this statement made me realize that planetariums aren’t the friends we made along the way, but they are just planetariums
@@gutentagdoggo2094 Isaac had no friends, he lived only with his mother, and he was offended in kindergarten.
6:55 Tbh looked weird to me looking at a yellow planetarium
Did he just…use spindown instead of forget me now? Mattman you got another thing to relearn after bomb immunity
Mattman taking the damage from curse rooms while having mars and also using a bomb for secret room while having terra are both Mattman moments
Matt missing the chance to use his sratS cards in the planetarium is funi
The little isaac picking up items looks adorable 😍
When you have Pluto and have free crawl spaces, you can get free error rooms by dropping
Mattman: "I don't have flight"
13:01 "What did he sayy?"
My reasoning for skipping at least one treasure room is that while sure, the best planetarium items don't really compete with the best treasure room items, even jupiter or mars are still way better than stuff like butter bean or angry fly lol
And skipping only the first treasure room doesn't really affect the run that much, while basically guaranteeing the planetarium will show up eventually. Sometimes it won't, but you gotta be pretty unlucky in my experience.
I feel like there could be a fun passive item that increases the chance of a planetarium to 100% after skipping a treasure room, but resets to 0 after spawning one, so you need to keep skipping.
If you have crystal ball you get guaranteed planetarium after one skip and it does not set to 0 afterwards ;)
Mars is actually cool with Midas touch. It turns everything you touch during the dash into money without taking damage
Imagine a mod that if a quality 4 appears a Matt's scream plays instead of Dancing xd
speaking of Mars i recently found a new interaction i didnt knew about the other day, T Forgotten can move with it without being thrown by the soul and i think that is funny and it was not terrible for once using that item
6:55 that was the best yipee I have ever heard.
i tend to watch these after a night out, and these are actually incredible to put on before i go to sleep, i love you matt
YOmattman i got deadgod a while a go but i got into isaac once again thanks to you, loves man probably my favorite channel to watch while doing other stuff, lots of love man
9:35 Nemesis when he sees a Special Tactics And Rescue Service member
13:02 bro had flight
i know this is kinda a hot take, but mars is legit my top 3 planetarium item behind terra and uranus
being able to enter curse rooms for free, and how much damage becomes much easier to dodge makes it really OP (also it makes tainted jacob much easier)
That is a certified Lazy Mattman ending ngl
matt forgor to go mausoleum for the extra planetarium
He could’ve used the reverse stars cards in the planetarium to get rid of jupiter and get 2 better ones
11:22 - Guy got so small, that he now displays quantum properties, such as quantum tunneling
i love how when he uses the mega mush in the end he's still smaller than a regular char
now this makes me wish that there was a floor like the chest/dark room but for planetariums, call it the obsurvitory
I'd imagine the mod alters the room generation part of isaac's code, specifically the part that generates treasure rooms, and altered the generated room type to be planetarium instead of treasure room. Guessing tho, I would genuinely love to know how they did it!
Matt, I play on xbox, and I discovered, If you are tiny and fast enough, like pluto size and 2 speed, you can run past holes and basiclly fly
20:26 “just balls all up in my face” truly a mattman moment.
I had an idea for a challenge just now:
Give yourself the the different items/trinkets that spawn pickups on hit or just in general(old banadge, fanny pack, etc) and the challenge is: You can only pick up consumables spawned from those items/trinkets. You could even give yourself sackhead or d20 for variety. Lastly, Bag of crafting could be added since it's in theme(but that could also make the video more boring because bag of crafting is very straightforward)
13:01 my man just casually went over the gap without Mars or flight and didn't even notice
11:27 You're so small you start quantum tunnelling.
You can also always do Inner Child with Mars if you want the same effect with non-Planetarium items.
13:00 he was so focused on not taking damage by the red poop he didnt notice he was going over the gaps (without flight)
13:02 I like how he doesn’t realize that he is walking on air
I was today’s years old when I decided to read the desc and I found out that a person called Alex edits matts video + Matt edits them.
Funny thing with pluto and some more size downs is that you can just run between rocks if you have enough speed
Forgot to Fight Mega Satan, did the forget me now trick backwards. Truely a Mattman moment of all time
if you are that tiny and have pluto, you can also clip trough stones and cliffs if you have 2 speed. I resently found that out in a run where i had Pluto and like 4 or 5 size down pills
Pluto by itself can make you go over gaps and inside rocks if you have enough speed you dont rlly need mars, mattman moment
Definitely an awesome video, so glad I got to see it on my birthday 😁
book of belial with black candle and pentagram gives about 30% more chance of a pact appearing, with school backpack and book of revelations it goes up even more
"saturnus is an item that's always good to have"
thinking same, i once picked up ipecac with no bomb immunity having saturnus
"I guess Uranus is better for combat." -- Lazy Mattman, Friday this week
2:20 Mattman 2023: UrAnus; Broken.
Oh man, this run was crazy. It would also be a crazy run if you play the rainmaker character mod for a run.
You should make a character tier list based on how strong they are
Isaac going over a gap is common - remember he just kills satan and death itself on a daily basis
Ranking every planetarium item as a casual (console) player:
Sol: i do really like that but I wish it would do something in the boss fight!
Luna: Luna is so good, more secret rooms are always crazy and then this little buff you get from it!! Find X-ray vision, blue map or anything like that and its so op!!
Mercurius: that item is so good it you don't want to waste any charges on your active item!
Venus: it's nothing crazy, it can save you some damage but at the end of the day, you take it and forget about it for the rest if the run
Terra: do I even have to say it? Crazy good, my personal fav. You find every secret room, get every tinted rock and get every crawlspace, a run winner.
Mars: fuck that item.
Jupiter: I don't hate this item but it's not wroth going for, if you skip a treasure room for that it's just disappointing. I never saw someone actually using it effectively
Saturnus: I love that item but I hate it at the same time. Every time I get saturnus I also get trisagion and I can't see shit with that combo, it's so annoying
Uranus: I love that item, I love the freeze effect but you kinda need piercing with it imo
Neptunes: it's good for the first few floors but after that you don't really use it, right? But crazy good with rock bottom
Pluto: it's good but so annoying at times
Someone: “So you don’t know how to use mars?”. Me: “yes and I’m tired of pretending I do.”
we gonna talk about how mat just walked over open ground not in mars dash at 13:00
Pluto can already make you walk over gaps and rocks and stuff too if you run at either with enough speed about 1.6 will get you across both
Jupiter should be renamed to nikocado avocado
Pretty cool vid today!
...Now do it again with that expanded planetarium mod you showcased the other day
planetariumMattman
The list of funny noises:
8:35 - ♂️
11:24 - what was that
16:11 - 🎲8️⃣😴
16:19 - entering the sicko mode
20:58 - nooo
Dude that blind mars gave me PTSD from the awesome run I had with Jacob and Esau (whats rare since I hate playing with them) and got a 1% blind planetarium and it was a fucking damn Mars
controlling two characters is already hard enough without one of them dashing randomly (I know its not random but we all know how it feels when playing with mars)
15:41 You could do this again with the more planetarium items mod
i would like mars a lot more if it was a super short dash that gave i-frames that you could use to dodge projectiles, similar to enter the gungeon (which i still think Matt should play btw)
you actually dont need mars to do that you just need max speed and pluto. i discover this not long ago and sometimes when i was zooming tru rooms i accidentally walk tru spaces between rocks or right on big hole and just walking on it. its super cool
Matt man forgetting mars gives you invincibility on use is such a mtt man moment
thats good with said synergy since the tboi wiki has not document it yet the mars + pluto
(ps if you don't have tarnished eden yet ill tell ya you need to do the same thing to get the forgoten but with tarnished eden then go to starter room then grab the gliched photo then try to open the dogma door)
3:31 the day mattman exposed himself being a robot
On minute 13 mat is so suprised by hars dash that he ignores the fact that he went through the hole soon after.
I'm surprised Matt didn't know about Mars Pluto just a bit since I remember Slay having a vid about that which kinda blew up, afaik it's the main way people found out about it lol
Great vid as always Mattoman
You haven't played as T Keeper in a while btw, I'd love to see him come back 🙏🙏
13:02 are we not gonna talk about the lack of mars dash?
Hey lazy i just got fired today, but just seeing you post makes my day better