12:10 I think it's also possible that Lych was healing from the Elite Defender, when you lose lives (even from the mini lych) it activates its faster attacking speed buff which is absorbable by lych. It also happens right as you lose lives so it makes sense to me at least
I mean, you're not wrong - that could have also been a reason. But while ISAB talks about the reason being the B.Central, he's clearly showing us that it did actually lose it's Ultraboost-stacks so it did heal lych at some point.
One of the most hype paragagons get outshined by the cheapest alternative paragon, youch Hope they buff it, it's really cool in concept but it can definitely do better than this, I love the design too
Paragons are almost only useful in boss battles and for bosses you usually need the whole track hitting them to whittle them down. Basically this thing is useless.
Ehh Paragons are also used in freeplay, since they're space efficient, but I doubt Tack would be used for even that. Plus it's pierce is so low, I honestly think it would die to Bloonarius insides, and would struggle to kill Breadbloon's rock bloons, Phayze being camo and jumping forward, Vortex... no, and Blasta meter filling fast plus the meteor that hits plus the rocks, Lych and Lych goes invisible at skulls obviously. It's just a failure
yeah, one thing it really needs is pierce, I know tack shooter usually doesnt feature much pierce on it, but this thing is a permanent maelstrom, maestrom has the highest pierce of every attack a tack shooter can throw out.
@@fusionwing4208 They should buff the pierce of the first ability by a bit. The problem is that at high tiers the ability almost has full uptime. I agree with Ninja Kiwi's idea of "not every paragon should have crazy high pierce"
@@Marc-o2g6b Honestly I don't think the tackagon would do too bad against Dreadbloon, and Blasta's meter takes a lot of time to charge, even with the tack paragon on top of it, so an ice monkey would solve the problem. Also, it has such a worst range that it really doesn't care about Blasta's rocks, since they are spawn around the boss and the paragon would basically be inside of the boss, inside the circle of rocks
@justenoughrandomness8989 Vortex is faster when he buffs himself, but go look at any video with ISAB fighting all elite bosses at once, Lych is noticibly in the lead (also Lych will constantly stay in the lead afterwards too, as Soul form is a massive speed boost and he won't move back either) Lych is the one boss where time matters
Hey isab, this might just be me, but I think a great extras video would be a tutorial on how you boss farm! I think a fair amount of viewers are interested in your content as well as playing, and It would be super helpful to understand how you approach these things so we can attempt it ourselves. I'm not the most knowledgeable on farming so I might just be speaking for myself. Anyway, great video!!
The main issue with this from my understanding is that basically every patch or so the most optimal way to boss farm completely changes bc NK likes to nerf the best method after awhile. I believe that’s part of why he just skips over it in his newer videos now
The start will change depending on the map + starting cash. Id recommend watching ranked run tutorials for least time if you just want a better feel for it, make sure to watch how it varies.
When the paragon with the coolest design and 2nd coolest name is even weaker than the cheapest paragon when at the same degree, doesn't work for any boss really, and has so low pierce it doesn't function as a cleanup tower. It sucks.
@@jeremypanjaitan4039 yeah, the best cleanup part is the ring of fire attack, which sure has 250ish pierce... but that's easily pierce capped in the 100's even, and iirc doesn't do much damage anyways
15:53 The only thing I could imagine you forgetting about would be the engi shooting out foam faster at the beginning of a round, which counts as a buff. But it's kinda hard to tell from the video if that could be the reason or if theres anything else...
I'm pretty sure you're losing DPS if you spam the range ability when a boss is right on top of the tack. A lot of the damage comes from the tacks that explode from the blades, with increased range those blades explode further away and a lot of those tacks don't hit.
There still should be a bonus inferno ring effect that deals a lot of damage in it's own right. That has to be factored in as well cause it's normally more powerful than the basic tacks
@@DarkFrozenDepths Looking at the numbers, the tacks seem to do far more single-target damage. Each tack deals 10 (+20 to bosses), blades deal 20 (+30 to bosses), and the fire deals 250 (+250 to bosses) only once per second. With how fast it shoots out blades, I think using the ability when the boss is on top clearly loses DPS since the blades explode way further out. The fire is meant to help with huge clumps of bloons, not single targets. Ninja Kiwi even said as much.
17:25 I didn’t notice this before but… is there canonically a monkey inside the tack shooter paragon? Is that monkey in ALL of them, or just the paragon??
You can fit two small towers on the leafs next to the center where you had your Super Britt. Not that it would have helped much. Seems like the tack paragon would have done better without the Sniper since it was delaying the ghost moabs and souls. I guess it's a matter of more damage vs more uptime.
Yeah, it's also elite D's self buff, and the b central's ultraboost getting eaten, as people commented under another comment... No wonder it was getting healed that much!
Tack shooter is one of my favorite towers. This paragon being outshined by the dart paragon is so sad, especially since it can't see camo. It could definitely use a buff.
He's not doing the current most optimal strat, so if that's what you want, there's plenty of vids on that by other ytbers. What ISAB did was just getting geraldo's Quincy-Action-figure as soon as possible, then spam 200 farms while spending as little on defense as possible. What he does next is already in the video... (Like I said, there's other methods that get you more money at r40 but ig they're slightly more annoying so he often prefers doing this if he's not tryharding)
Kinda sad the tack paragon is this bad compared to others. Tack has been my favorite tower for ages, so seeing its paragon perform poorly is disappointing. Maybe they'll buff it in the future.
Genuinely asking. When he got the temple and tsg and got a xxxl trap for the support sacrifices for both is that enough for full support even with temple discount?
No! He sacrificed an additional 420 farm (on the bottom left) Not 100% sure he realized it, since he didn't mention it and the farm was just barely in range, but he's definitely done all of that often enough to know it wouldn't be enough. 😅
Bloonarius has too many bloons and tack lacks pierce. Lych becomes immune to damage for a good amount of time counting all the skulls, and the tack's low range makes it so it's not that good against it. Vortex just stuns it all day every day. Phayze is camo. Blasta is just a meanie (at least the rocks don't really hurt it) Suprisingly enough, I think the tack paragon would do good against Dreadbloon!
Yeah, but not possible for a solo challenge, since you guarantee to give a quarter of the pops to other towers, but I guess it needed so much help that this might've been the same...
@@tpfoxCastro it is sketchy t1 and t2, but two ring of fires, and then inferno deals with the misc bloons while tack zone deals with the boss. I redid it, u dont even need the boomer on t5, so u can truly solo the boss with the paragon.
It was one of the ones I looked forward to, since I love the tack. But it is my least favorite paragon, and it is weak and missing camo. No idea where I would ever use it really.
@@arthena2130 thb I ma just start using it on late game runs as an expensive tack zone just like the Subparagon is only a glorifyed Energiser for the other paragons I use
The first one that he sacrificed to the 400 Super - yes it's 50k. But the temple-discounted one that he got for the TSG would not have been enough. He sacrificed an additional 420 farm (bottom left) but I'm not 100% sure if it was intentional or just very lucky 😅
bruh why is balance intermediate? not even a case of "too many towers excel"; it legit puts every bloon in one spot for like 10 seconds obviously it's gonna be stupid-easy
tack isnt that good against bosses, for example the meteor damage at d1 is 50k to moabs, 50k to normal bosses and 100k to elite bosses for example engi has 30k to moabs, 70k to normal bosses and 140k to elite bosses with a turret at d1 its lacking a lot of bonus boss damage other paragons have funnily enough tack para is worse than maxbuffed iring / tz in lategame too
This map in particular seems to be pretty deceptive on Tack Paragon.... Bloonarius already proves it's not a good map for the paragon cause most of what's spewed out is already past the triple loop... sometimes out of tack range. It's like this tower just can't win on this map....
At first I thought that it sucked that tack paragon has so many shortcomings. But then I realized that if every paragon is special, none of them are special.... plus it's probably going to get a few buffs in upadate 47
I understand why they made the Tack paragon not see camo but with the stupid amount of decamos in the game what’s the point in not just giving it camo detection?? Also the only boss it gets affected by is phayze but the boss instantly leaves its damage range after the first skull making the tack useless against it anyway lol
12:10 I think it's also possible that Lych was healing from the Elite Defender, when you lose lives (even from the mini lych) it activates its faster attacking speed buff which is absorbable by lych. It also happens right as you lose lives so it makes sense to me at least
yeah if you look carefully theres a little green glow around him when the lives leak and then it disappears when lych heals
you can even see the elite D stop attacking, so you're 100% right
I mean, you're not wrong - that could have also been a reason. But while ISAB talks about the reason being the B.Central, he's clearly showing us that it did actually lose it's Ultraboost-stacks so it did heal lych at some point.
dosnt x3x engi also heal because of the foam speed at the start of the round
@@JohnSej True.
One of the most hype paragagons get outshined by the cheapest alternative paragon, youch
Hope they buff it, it's really cool in concept but it can definitely do better than this, I love the design too
The tack shooter is one of my favourite towers and it's kinda sad it's so bad I hope they buff it somehow
yeah it’s very disappointing both in looks and performance, it really does need a buff
paragagons
@@NinjaCunninghamreally good in races though! sometimes
@@BleedTheRic is it though? Cause it has very low pierce expecially for a paragon wouldn't something like boomer or dart do better?
For a paragon with such a cool name and design it sure is underwhelming
Yeah tac is my favorite tower it kinda made me sad it’s a weaker paragon
Wdym underwhelming? It's CHEAP, it will not have Metamorphosis strength
@ it is on the cheaper side, but it also feels worse than the dart paragon to me frankly. Especially since it can’t even see camo innately
@@thegloatingstorm8323 I guess. I like that it doesn't have camo personally, since the regular tack shooter can't pop camo with any upgrade either
The regular tack doesnt cost near as much either.. @tpfoxCastro
22:36 10 likes, dam that’s ambitious, but I respect the dream
your comment is crazy bro, it got TWICE that amount
Discount village at 0:25
Thanks for the warning, I nearly got jumpscared ❤
Actually that's triple discount
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you're a life saving thanks dude
This didn’t show up in the comments at the timestamp and got worried there wouldn’t be a discount
Paragons are almost only useful in boss battles and for bosses you usually need the whole track hitting them to whittle them down. Basically this thing is useless.
Ehh Paragons are also used in freeplay, since they're space efficient, but I doubt Tack would be used for even that.
Plus it's pierce is so low, I honestly think it would die to Bloonarius insides, and would struggle to kill Breadbloon's rock bloons, Phayze being camo and jumping forward, Vortex... no, and Blasta meter filling fast plus the meteor that hits plus the rocks, Lych and Lych goes invisible at skulls obviously. It's just a failure
yeah, one thing it really needs is pierce, I know tack shooter usually doesnt feature much pierce on it, but this thing is a permanent maelstrom, maestrom has the highest pierce of every attack a tack shooter can throw out.
@@fusionwing4208 They should buff the pierce of the first ability by a bit. The problem is that at high tiers the ability almost has full uptime. I agree with Ninja Kiwi's idea of "not every paragon should have crazy high pierce"
@@Marc-o2g6b Honestly I don't think the tackagon would do too bad against Dreadbloon, and Blasta's meter takes a lot of time to charge, even with the tack paragon on top of it, so an ice monkey would solve the problem. Also, it has such a worst range that it really doesn't care about Blasta's rocks, since they are spawn around the boss and the paragon would basically be inside of the boss, inside the circle of rocks
Atleast dart and bomerang do their job at taking lower tiers tack is just to low range and dps
They have to keep tack paragon weak so it won’t be made too broken by the alchemist paragon
Bro might be cooking with this one 🔥🔥🔥
Yeah, but until then, the Tack paragon is Just USELESS
ISAB's "tack" is degree 100, I've seen it
My tack burns. Should I see a doctor?
Can confirm. He showed it to me at a "Party"
@VeryConcernedSigh No party like a Pat party
@@ABlueThing I feel p fusty without fur.
Ok sword monkey
also I'm not an balloon trust🙏
to be more precise, Lych doesn't take away pickle and sone beause they are hero buffs and lych doesn't take away hero buffs
Fun Fact: Lych is the fastest Boss out of the lot base (yes, he's faster than Vortex if Vortex doesn't have the galewind)
The galewind sounds like something from skyrim
i just glanced the wiki and it shows that vortex is way faster than lych, unless i am missing something silly
@justenoughrandomness8989 Vortex is faster when he buffs himself, but go look at any video with ISAB fighting all elite bosses at once, Lych is noticibly in the lead (also Lych will constantly stay in the lead afterwards too, as Soul form is a massive speed boost and he won't move back either)
Lych is the one boss where time matters
@@The-Omega-Blade very interesting and confusing
@@The-Omega-Blade it's also because Vortex gets knocked back at each skull, just to state the obvious
Hey isab, this might just be me, but I think a great extras video would be a tutorial on how you boss farm! I think a fair amount of viewers are interested in your content as well as playing, and It would be super helpful to understand how you approach these things so we can attempt it ourselves. I'm not the most knowledgeable on farming so I might just be speaking for myself. Anyway, great video!!
The main issue with this from my understanding is that basically every patch or so the most optimal way to boss farm completely changes bc NK likes to nerf the best method after awhile. I believe that’s part of why he just skips over it in his newer videos now
@@NickDaDroid It would still be interesting to see though.
The start will change depending on the map + starting cash. Id recommend watching ranked run tutorials for least time if you just want a better feel for it, make sure to watch how it varies.
When the paragon with the coolest design and 2nd coolest name is even weaker than the cheapest paragon when at the same degree, doesn't work for any boss really, and has so low pierce it doesn't function as a cleanup tower. It sucks.
It was even outperformed by a way lower degree! So disappointing imo
kinda wierd how its partly ring of fire which is really good for cleanups
@@jeremypanjaitan4039 yeah, the best cleanup part is the ring of fire attack, which sure has 250ish pierce... but that's easily pierce capped in the 100's even, and iirc doesn't do much damage anyways
15:53 The only thing I could imagine you forgetting about would be the engi shooting out foam faster at the beginning of a round, which counts as a buff.
But it's kinda hard to tell from the video if that could be the reason or if theres anything else...
I'm pretty sure you're losing DPS if you spam the range ability when a boss is right on top of the tack. A lot of the damage comes from the tacks that explode from the blades, with increased range those blades explode further away and a lot of those tacks don't hit.
There still should be a bonus inferno ring effect that deals a lot of damage in it's own right.
That has to be factored in as well cause it's normally more powerful than the basic tacks
@@DarkFrozenDepths Looking at the numbers, the tacks seem to do far more single-target damage. Each tack deals 10 (+20 to bosses), blades deal 20 (+30 to bosses), and the fire deals 250 (+250 to bosses) only once per second. With how fast it shoots out blades, I think using the ability when the boss is on top clearly loses DPS since the blades explode way further out. The fire is meant to help with huge clumps of bloons, not single targets. Ninja Kiwi even said as much.
@@vena7319 so then, how much of the tacks and blades is hitting the boss while the additional tick per second from the fire is going off?
The abilities just suck. That range thing should've been a Whole Map Range with More Pierce. And the Meteor should just be remade altogether.
I may be 22 but even at this big age shit happens and your videos help me relax thank you ISAB
Amen.
Take a look at grandpa over here😂
Realistically speaking, what scenario would you get a tack paragon over even a dart paragon?
Depends on the map, like dart paragon.
@@ethanjensen1445ah yes, my favorite map: _"dart paragon"_
Uhh if the Map sucks ass for Dart
But the funny thing I would probably get the boomer than the Tack 🤣
The tack needs some buffs, ninja kiwi forgot that its biggest weakness is when The Bosses leaves the centre
17:25 I didn’t notice this before but… is there canonically a monkey inside the tack shooter paragon? Is that monkey in ALL of them, or just the paragon??
Yes, in all of them
@ huh. Neat. Is it possible to SEE the monkey in other tack upgrades, or is it just implied that they’re there?
@GameJam230 it was said by NK themselves in a blog, and I guess they extra-proved it in the paragon
@ huh. Neat!
You can also sometimes see it in other games, notably the card game and battles 2!
I think it's a great detail from NK
ISAB uploads make my day just that much better.
You can fit two small towers on the leafs next to the center where you had your Super Britt. Not that it would have helped much. Seems like the tack paragon would have done better without the Sniper since it was delaying the ghost moabs and souls. I guess it's a matter of more damage vs more uptime.
Lytch heals from every 030 or higher engineer. They self buff at the start of each round. Watch when the heal happens; its right when a round starts.
Yeah, it's also elite D's self buff, and the b central's ultraboost getting eaten, as people commented under another comment... No wonder it was getting healed that much!
Challenge idea: Beat the battle cat quest without activating the battle cat's ability. You get a lot of money in it, so it might not be too bad.
Tack shooter is one of my favorite towers. This paragon being outshined by the dart paragon is so sad, especially since it can't see camo. It could definitely use a buff.
"can a max tack shooter paragon beat the lych??"
*summons the true sun god*
21:11 "No one Sauda"?? Well, i guess no one Sauda indeed
Thanks for the content ISAB
The boomer paragon has the moab dom attack, which sees over walls
I'm surprised that a 2-5-0 tack isn't better than a 2-0-4 tack in the middle for dps.
0:07 I usually go big seing that isab uploaded
"all we needed was batman"
for T5 it would have probably been a good idea to save the nuke for the lich soul for the later skulls
i grow wasabi so when you say what a bunch of horse radish that made me laugh my ass off like you said thats a bunch of fake wasabi
Thats what i needed be4 sleep
The boomer paragon has a global attack from the bottom path. I'm pretty sure it pushes back and then explodes.
I think we need the Village or Alchemist Paragon ASAP for this poor guy
isab you are amazing
love you, keep up good work
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@@ScrapeGoatt yeah that's a nice argument
boomerang attacked his moab dom
Could you do an updated tutorial on how to do the 30 round farming strat? That would be epic!
He's not doing the current most optimal strat, so if that's what you want, there's plenty of vids on that by other ytbers. What ISAB did was just getting geraldo's Quincy-Action-figure as soon as possible, then spam 200 farms while spending as little on defense as possible. What he does next is already in the video... (Like I said, there's other methods that get you more money at r40 but ig they're slightly more annoying so he often prefers doing this if he's not tryharding)
Wait can you make lych heal and got pops on the tack
Boomerang Paragon Has a Passive MoaB Domination Glaive, wich can see over walls
Where are my fellow bots?
18:25 say that again?
very good video, you forgot to buff the 2 0 5 tack with the 500 village.
Bro sacrificed the ice monkey
Your reminder that the new megalodon is stronger than a degree 100 paragon
Kinda sad the tack paragon is this bad compared to others. Tack has been my favorite tower for ages, so seeing its paragon perform poorly is disappointing. Maybe they'll buff it in the future.
Does ninja paragon allow tack paragon to see camo naturally or with a buff so it's only active half the time vs phayze?
Genuinely asking. When he got the temple and tsg and got a xxxl trap for the support sacrifices for both is that enough for full support even with temple discount?
No!
He sacrificed an additional 420 farm (on the bottom left)
Not 100% sure he realized it, since he didn't mention it and the farm was just barely in range, but he's definitely done all of that often enough to know it wouldn't be enough. 😅
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Can you please drop the links or even make a video bout how u got the time machine mod and more?
Dart paragon prime is wave 200 on sulfut springs
we need more income and dps towers increasing in bloons. ill like for the effort also i saw jeff in the corner
Tac Paragon + sub Paragon = 100% up time for ability.
15:59 did isab just swear?
The nuke is carpet bomb at home
Bloonarius has too many bloons and tack lacks pierce.
Lych becomes immune to damage for a good amount of time counting all the skulls, and the tack's low range makes it so it's not that good against it.
Vortex just stuns it all day every day.
Phayze is camo.
Blasta is just a meanie (at least the rocks don't really hurt it)
Suprisingly enough, I think the tack paragon would do good against Dreadbloon!
Yeah, but not possible for a solo challenge, since you guarantee to give a quarter of the pops to other towers, but I guess it needed so much help that this might've been the same...
This is doable with bloonarius on resort, beat all tiers with tacks, dg 91 for t5 with 1 dg boomer in the corner witn no direct attack
@@sacredwanderer5213ooooh will definitely try, ty for the info!
@@sacredwanderer5213 Oh, really? I thought pierce would be a problem
@@tpfoxCastro it is sketchy t1 and t2, but two ring of fires, and then inferno deals with the misc bloons while tack zone deals with the boss. I redid it, u dont even need the boomer on t5, so u can truly solo the boss with the paragon.
why does lych not gobble up the sharpening stone or pickle buff, that's kinda strange. Are they coded differently from buffs like overclock?
lych cant absorb hero buffs. those buffs count as hero buffs since the only way to get them are from buying them from geraldo
Is it the spinning glaves? 21:05
Conclusion: please buff tack paragon NK
Was the TSG full support sack? I think the discount ruined it
I love the tackagon but its worse than the engi IMO but I will still use it
It was one of the ones I looked forward to, since I love the tack. But it is my least favorite paragon, and it is weak and missing camo. No idea where I would ever use it really.
@@arthena2130 thb I ma just start using it on late game runs as an expensive tack zone just like the Subparagon is only a glorifyed Energiser for the other paragons I use
How long until this comes to bloons td 6 netflix
I still never got a boss this week.
Tack Paragon looked weak since the trailer
Night 157 of watching isab every night before bed
Is the tsg max? Since you sacrificed the discounted big trap, does it still count as 50k?
Maybe it can defeat a weaker boss like bloonarius
doesn't boomerang paragon give buffs to primary paragons? you could have made a makeshift one behind a hedge
The tack paragon is super cool, but much weaker than I hoped...
Why not sub paragon for ability cooldown?
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Pls do this on Bloonarius again
yay, big velo :D
Xxxl trap price was lowered this update. Is it still 50k alone? Idk...
The first one that he sacrificed to the 400 Super - yes it's 50k. But the temple-discounted one that he got for the TSG would not have been enough. He sacrificed an additional 420 farm (bottom left) but I'm not 100% sure if it was intentional or just very lucky 😅
@personal.assistant lmao
finals vs ISAB
Aren't paragon totems bad on the tack paragon just like they are bad with the dart?
Guess: no, it’s not really that strong, but maybe with debuffers ig
bruh why is balance intermediate? not even a case of "too many towers excel"; it legit puts every bloon in one spot for like 10 seconds
obviously it's gonna be stupid-easy
Yeah there’s a bunch of maps that don’t belong where they do lol
Its a Two Lane Map
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tack isnt that good against bosses, for example the meteor damage at d1 is 50k to moabs, 50k to normal bosses and 100k to elite bosses
for example engi has 30k to moabs, 70k to normal bosses and 140k to elite bosses with a turret at d1
its lacking a lot of bonus boss damage other paragons have
funnily enough tack para is worse than maxbuffed iring / tz in lategame too
Boomer paragon was very underwhelming on release but got much better eventually. Same thing will probably happen here
Dissapointed, they should´ve made it more expensive and better...
how do you unlock the paragon? because i have 1 mil 250k xp on the tack but i don't see the paragon
you need a version of the game with the current update already out, I believe it's not on the netflix or epic games versions yet
Any ISAB fans here?
I love tack paragon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Maybe the real tack paragon the friends we made along the way
they need to buff this paragon it’s not good at all
Nooooo! You can't use Beast Handler without building your entire defense around it!!!
Isab:🗿
Damn tack paragon kinda sucks ass huh
why does the name sound like smthg outta doom...
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Made in heaven mentions. Universe reset inbound.
This map in particular seems to be pretty deceptive on Tack Paragon....
Bloonarius already proves it's not a good map for the paragon cause most of what's spewed out is already past the triple loop... sometimes out of tack range. It's like this tower just can't win on this map....
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At first I thought that it sucked that tack paragon has so many shortcomings. But then I realized that if every paragon is special, none of them are special.... plus it's probably going to get a few buffs in upadate 47
I understand why they made the Tack paragon not see camo but with the stupid amount of decamos in the game what’s the point in not just giving it camo detection??
Also the only boss it gets affected by is phayze but the boss instantly leaves its damage range after the first skull making the tack useless against it anyway lol
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When is the ‘can a max level sauda solo isab’