Best Indie Film Audio Setup with Rode NTG 4+ Shotgun Mic
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Here is my new favorite shotgun mic for film work. It's the Rode NTG 4+. I have previously also used a Rode microphone but it was an older model the Rode NTG 2. This new version has better audio sensitivity and also a built in battery so it doesn't require phantom power.
This is my video review of the mic with audio samples. Also I show you my whole setup with the boom pole, shock mount and recorder.
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"And now here's the sound on the boat with the built in camera microphone" *LPFBLPFBPFLBPFLPBLFPBLFPLBPFLPLFBLPFLB*
Thank you for this comment, it prepared me to turn my volume down!
Pro Audio mixer here...you would definitely want to put a lav on whomever is speaking. Good boom technique is important as well, just seems a little too busy for a sound mixer. Get a small bag, and shoulder it. All the best
Tom don't forget that you can hookup a pair of headphones the the unit.
wow the difference at 11 minutes is unbelievable
Learned so much from the video, thanks so much
I love my Rode NTG 4PLUS❤❤❤
Thank you! Tom
Nice amazing video thank you. For all the great info.
Hi Tom !
I bought a xlr cable for my ntg4+ but it make a lot of noise. Do you have a good one to recommend to me ? Thanks for your helpful videos !
What are you plugining it into? I'm having similar problems when I plugged it into a dr44 and dr60 my guess is that the preamps in the recorder arent good enough. My noise floors seems to be around - 40 dB.
yeah @@jDarroch ! I use the tascam (dr60d II). finally the preamp of zoom is Maybe better than that of tascam !
or the problem come from the xlr. Maybe !
Tom where are you ? Help 🙈
Would you please share exactly how you feed the XLR cable through the pole. Do you have to remove one XLR connector to do this? Also, what length XLR cable would you recommend to use in this capacity? Thank you for this excellent production. I have found it most useful.
Ranjith Jim Box I'm curious too...Because I can't feed mine through the last end of the pole it's too big to feed through the smaller end of the boom pole.
The pro RØDE pole has the cable built into it I believe.
Sorry . Just watched this. Hopefully you already have the answer but maybe someone else will have the same question. Boom Poles should have two xlr connections. One that goes into the back of the mic this part should already have an xlr cable running through the pole that leads to the second xlr connection . This second connection is for attaching the xlr cable that leads to the recording device .
How did u run the cable into the boom pole ?
Merci
What do you think about the synco d2?
What did you record your short films "The big wild north" and "NWO - United we stand" with? Just the NTG-2 plugged in to the Zoom H5 or did you use another recorder? Did you use audio noise removing in post?
I noticed how the blimp moved at ruclips.net/video/-7Dgk8_wxck/видео.html and I have seen other users complaining about the lack of fix sturdiness when used with a boom. Maybe that screw should be tightened at max.
Great setup, would it be ideal to use the zoom xy mics for recording ambience and room tone in stereo instead of using the shotgun? I plan to use this setup but I have the Ntg3 instead of the ntg4+
Hey Tom! Tim here -- love your videos! I currently have the Zoom H6 with the shotgun SGH-S6 that you can buy as an attachment. How do you recommend that mic to this one? I'd hate to duplicate mics. Will be using this in studio (and field) -- sometime directly connected to camera (on location) or do the H6 (in studio/on set.) Thanks!
How much is all of that?
So can i use the ntg 2 on the mount of the cam without needing to pay another 250 for a tascam or more for a zoom
I'm Happy that RUclips exists, but I'm More HAPPY ! That this Channel Exists on RUclips ! Amazing CHANNEL
this was really helpful! Its a bit more but the quality sounds great!
So god made the Caribbean for old white people? I don’t think so Bob. Cool mic
Great mic! Love the set up with the blimp. Thx Tom!!
You're welcome!
Please Please tell me please
do i need cable XLR F to XLR M to use my NTG3 with ZOOM H8 when i use the Blimp and The Boom RODE ?
And which one you think is the best for filmmaking and cinema ? NTG3 or NTG4+ ?
Thank you sooooo much ❤
Great work . thank you
How would you compare the Rode boompole with this one (half the price and includes internal XLR cable):
www.movophoto.com/products/movo-cmp-25-8-2-telescoping-carbon-fiber-microphone-boom-pole-with-integrated-xlr-cable-for-video-production-and-electronic-news-gathering
Do you always need a human hold the boom pole? How practical to have a mechanical stand or tripod to hold the boom pole? Or are they always getting blown over by every tiny breeze that comes along?
Also, this is a 2016 video. Now that we're half way through 2019, have any better products come out to replace these?
any tips on how to set this all up for perfeft clarity and minimal white noise? ive got all the equipment but cant seem to replicate your sound
Mate, seriously, thank you for such a great review and basic tutorial with no frills. Breathe of fresh air. Simple and straight forward. Please keep it up!
What is the difference netween NTG4+ and NTG5?
They are both super cardioid 4+ is longer has a wider frequency response and more versatile because it has an internal battery so no 48v required and also buttons for filters like lowpass and highpass. You may have to adjust the gain higher as the 4+ is low in sensitivity and they sound different in the high end being that 5 seems to boost highs and that could be a good or bad thing depending on what your doing. 5 does slightly better job at rejecting from the back and thats all I got
11:52 meh, seems usable to me
I saw this comment seconds before it showed up. Hilarious!
LMAO!
"Can't you just EQ it out? Or use noise reduction?"
"cant u fix it in post?"
@@javierchavarria9312 😉 is what the client said
I did a parallel recording with the NTG2 and NGT4+ as separate tracks on a Zoom F8. I preferred the sound from the NTG2, but that's just me :) you can't go wrong with either.
HELLO I BOUGHT A WIRELESS MIC SENNHEISER EW 112P G4 , I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SCI FI MOVIE FOR NETFLIX , WHAT KIND OF BOOM MIC AND ADAPTOR DO YOU RECOMMEND FOR PROFESSIONAL SOUND ?
Thank you for this video, I'm working on a feature documentary and looking for the best versatile shotgun mic connected to a camera .
so can this mic be used directly to camera such as the Sonya7siii?
Thank you so much for this great review and audio comparison !
Hi Tom, i am asking about the NTG3 compare to the 4+
what do you think ?
I'm not Tom, but ntg3 is more profesional mic than others ntg. It's better built quality with lower self noise an more natural sound. But its suffer built in battery, so it has to be plug in device with Phantom power
Hey Tom. Really good work and appreciate your videos. Now Idk if it was the location or post processing but the audio on the ntg2 sounded better than the ntg4. Did you ude different preamps or something? The ntg4 doesnt sound bad but the ntg2 sounds more flattering and full.
I never even thought of mounting the Zoom recorder on the boom pole like in your boat video. Brilliant!
Just got this whole setup n let me tell you, WAYYYYY BETTER THAN JUST MY RODE VIDEO MICRO.
Comparing this mic to the internal mic is so useless...
make a video for record settings in rodentg4+zoomh5 recorder for outdoor dialogue recording
All your sound is awesome and thanks for the tips. Didn't like the message from the old man 🤣 bit sound was great! I was like, God created the Caribbean for old white people?
As someone also hailing from the Carribean I was disappointed with the comment too. Sadly it’s a genuine belief. 😞
It was just a dry joke. Relax. Anyway glad you liked a mic! Thanks for watching.
thanks Tom - as always. You gave me some real life scenario and now I am selling some of my old stuff and buy this exact combination because not every film has the budget for a sound guy, but my assistant can work fine with my Zoom H5. Perfect video!
Glad you hear you found my advice helpful. It definitely works for my indie productions.
Pedro Hofman
Rod Larkey ntg2 or ntg4+? for a
beginner
Rod Larkey ntg2 or ntg4+? for a
beginner
7:40 no it wont lmao. it has to be an xlr and the right size.
Awesome. Good recommendations. It'd be nice if you did a tutorial on the settings for the Zoom and this Rode microphone. Thanks
Thank you so much Tom, awsome. Your video on this equipment was very informative loved it!! keep up the good work my friend. 👏
My second comment lol bruh you dope! lol just keep watching this vid and it gets better and better
one of the best review, doing my first short film , and you totally helped me out, but instead of the zoom h5n, I will be using zoom f3 as my recorder. any thoughts on this ?
Very helpful video ! your settings please. I bought the ntg4+ but the level is usualy very low ! I'm using the recorder tascam dr60d II.
Thanks !
I tried it with the 60d original and was getting quite noisy results. Is it a preamp problem?
That's the question ! does anyone use the microphone with the tascam ?
It souds like the device you are using has a weak preamp.
great video
No... just, no... you want as much weight OFF that pole as possible, of which the rode one is rather heavy & awful. Adding a weighty clamp & h5 to it also... nope. Also, cable management... running a straight cable through the inside of the pole is a one-way ticket to insanity on set. Either thread a springy cable though there, or lace either a springy/straight XLR around the outside of the pole. This makes for far speedier expansion & retraction of a boom pole, & you will also have a cable that’s physically connected to something, which means you won’t get an internal “tickle” noise from the cable when operating the boom at longer lengths (something that will likely cripple you with this rig when doing chunky takes).
To put it simply... this is not the way.
I like that you showed examples of each equipment and what it would be like without it!
Hi! what do you think about the Preamps like Juicedlink?
Nice
I have the nag and the zoom 5 recorder how can I reduce the ambient noise and get more clear the voices like your videos please how do you clean the noise. Thank you
I am doing wildlife filmmaking and often make video of birds. So is it good for wildlife filmmaking because bird distance is little bit far away from the mic...
What you suggest budget is aproxx 250$
Hello, just subscribed, good channel!
I want to ask a simple question. Can we attach any external mic easily to Zoom H8? Like Rode NTG4? And do i need a external microphone for dialogue recording? I know filmmakers use ''shotgun'' microphones for dialogue recording. So as a wanna-be filmmaker, i need to buy two things, one shotgun mic and one zoomH8 for my audio production in general right? Thanks!
In 2019, is this setup still your goto? Or have you switched to something else? Thanks!
Anyone else any ideas?
Yup I still use it
@@TomAntos have you tried at875r for indoor dialogue? Any preference for the indoor mikes?
Would not touch this mic with a 10 foot boom pole. After less than a year, mine refuses to hold charge and turns off after 5 seconds despite being charged. DO NOT BUY A MICROPHONE WITH BUILT IN BATTERY.
SIR NEED YOUR HELP! I HAVE RECORDED IN NTG4 PLUS USING H4N PRO BUT AFTER TRANSFERRING THE FILES TO WINDOWS 10 THE AUDIO ISNT SUPPORTING IN VLC WINDOWS MEDIA,, ANY SUGGESTION NEED YOUR HELP
8:11 "Which if you've ever used (rubber band style shock mounts) you know how annoying it is, because if one of them snaps or falls off it's always a hassle putting it back in."
*gets 'Nam flashbacks to film school* Brrr!
Hey please do a tutorial what's the best setting for the zoom h5 with boom mic please
Laughing out loud at "old white people that get cold" comment... Too funny!!! I do agree good dead wombats and dead cats do work. But my question outside of the 25% weight reduction, is the blimp II any better than blimp I outside of the less weight factor? Is that pole carbon fiber? I have to give you credit you are very very thorough. I did however notice that the new blimp moved its position when you moved it around, so wonders if there is an issue with the clamping system that allow angle changes?
This looks like an advert for Rode. The NTG2 is noisy compared to high-end mics and the boom pole is short and heavy aluminium compared to carbon fibre. RODE mics are adequate for low budget indie films but get a better mic for a higher budget production.
I am plugging Sennheiser mkh 416 to my H6 and H6 to my laptop, can my laptop usb provide phantom power so i can eliminate the H6 battery??
Very nice review, Tom! Congratulations!
By the way, have you ever worked with the Rode NTG3? If so, which of them you prefer (NTG3 or NTG4)?
This is an excellent tutorial on audio and boom mics. Thanks so much. New Sub!
-Will
I have the rode ntg1 hooked up to the C100 and I get feedback into the monitor and/or sometimes it sounds like an "echo" in my headphones. Any suggestions?
I love these, thanks a lot!! Two pretty basic/general questions here: how does cable length and/or geometry factor in on audio quality, are the unavoidable losses significant or do you not really notice much? And how do you handle rainy weather conditions with this setup? I guess an umbrella could probably suffice if what you're filming should stay dry as well, but if your subject is supposed to be rained on I assume you'd use some kind of mic cover. What do you use for that?
Great questions! Cable length is not an issue up to 20ft if the mic is powered like this one. Longer than 20ft and you might notice signal strength loss. Second answer about the rain. I just use a plastic bag on top of the mic if it's really badly raining. Make sure the front end of the mic is not covered though. But if the rain is light I just use the blimp and deadcat on it. It will get wet but won't damage the mic since the mic doesn't touch it. After a day of filming in the rain I just dry out the blimp and deadcat.
Alright, thanks so much for the insights!
Can you help me to choose a mic for audio recording at extreme cold weather? My NTG-3 don't not work at minus temperatures.
It’s 2019. What would say are the better mic upgrades to this now?
My shotgun mic setup looks just like the setup at the end of the video, only picture a cheaper mic, a cheaper recorder, a broom stick, and lots of duct tape.
Hey I have a question for you! I am trying to decide between getting the zoom h1 or the h2n. Is there a significant quality difference when I am using a dual system audio setup and using the zoom as a preamp? Also ** Would it be worthwhile to skip those altogether and spend the extra money on a mic and zoom with xlr? Such as the h4n
HI. is this possible that NTG 3 connect direct to Sony A 7s ? what is the solution.
Doesn't the blimp duplicates the purpose of the dead cat? Or is the for protecting the mic against dropping?
Thanks Tom, just discovered your channel and I subscribed, I really appreciate your work. I'm a new student film maker, and I'm about to buy a shotgun mic, with a small budget, do you think the NTG-2 is a good choice? Thank you.
Your lapel mic is crazy noisy. Should have used the NTG2 to record this video! Lol
Omg Tom, thank you so much for sharing. The comparison @ 11:50 was awesome. So GREAT results from this protection. I was really really skeptical of your setup but you blew me away.
and I'm not saying the NTG4+ is a bad mic, I think all Rode products are great, just that the NTG3 is a little better.
It also costs almost twice as much - While you do get what you pay for this is for an indie filmmaker's budget
shotgun mics are used in really noisy environments, in normal situations, you can use a supercardioïd, it will sound way more natural
I just need some cheap mic real fast.
No problem sir that would be 1200$
the clips of film you shot showed in this video.... with which audio recorder u had recorded the audio....i have sound devices mix pre3...ordering a ntg4 for me is good for me or not??? I AM AN INDIE FILM MAKER!!!
I use the recorder that I show in the video. Zoom h5. Check out our the links below for the exact model
Usare un microfono boom, che lunghezza deve essere il cavo xlr... puoi aiutarmi? Puoi rispondermi anche in inglese
Does it work with Zoom H1n recorder? What cable should I use to make it work?
were you using a lav mic as well at 5:20 or was that just the audio from the ntg4+?
1:24 no sound of campfire in the shot. Mic position?
1:35 mic is too close to the girl the sound is unnatural.
No ambient sound in closeups.
So much gear advertised...I think you could do better by holding a phone recorder off the camera, would sound more natural.
Great video Tom! Love the straightforward talk and real life examples :) I just about to get a Xoom H5 hence your video helped me a lot to make a final decision :D
How do i use the audio from the boom mic instead of from the internal mic once im actually recording?
Is the guy in your movie the one from paintball named “wolf?” If so, what a small world because that’s my other hobby. Where can I watch your movie from this clip?
Yes that is the paintball Wolf. You can see the film on my channel just search for "NWO United We Stand"
After you connect rode mic to zoom h6 how to do you connect it to the camera? Newbie here teen filmmaker.
can i use this with the Newsmaker kit from rode for wireless
yes you can
sennheisser MKE600 or the NTG4 RODE. Which one is better?
johox I would go with the Sennheiser
thanks for the video but gosh those people are boring to listen to lol idk how u could sit there and film them
Hey @tomAntos i need your help ! i have a ntg4+ and i want to buy a recorder, i am not sure whichone to buy. i have in mind the tascam dr60 d mark ii and the zoom h5. could you help me to decide?
I can recommend a ZOOM H6
Honestly your cameras in body audio isn’t as terrible as I expected
i cant run the xlr cable inside, how did you do it?
That would likely be the rode boompole pro. It has an opening to run the cable down the centre.
Francisco Sanchez buy a K&M boom pole. Cable is internal and you get quality German manufacture. Not cheap.
Very good video just what i was looking for. Thank you
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing
Hi 👋 Tom
Do you know how long the batteries can run using an external mic that needs the phantom on ?
I used the zoom h4n ,with my sennheiser 416 that needs phantom, it was only like about 10 min running.
Thanks
Then you have an issue either with batteries you used or the mic uses too much power or the xlr cable has an issue. For me on average the batteries last around 5 hours
Do you think I need a blimp if I am just shooting indoors?
This is just my opinion, but felt like the audio in the second example at 1:24 was much worse than the captured camera audio. Maybe it wasn't a final mix from the film or something, but it sounded completely unnatural to my ears... like lavs on a run and gun ENG production. The audio from the camera seemed to match the picture much more naturally as opposed to the shotgun that sounded to tight and direct. Especially with the female actor - I felt like I was inside her jacket.
Maybe it was just weird that you could hear more fire crackling in the wide shot and almost none in the tight shot - which is a perspective from almost inside the fire.