I still dont understand why Alonso got a post-race 30 second penalty for driving in 'unsafe conditions' (the loose mirror), when FIA itself didnt bother waving the black and orange flag. Any team would avoid pitting for repairs unless absolutely necessary, it's not logical to expect teams to make that call themselves. It's incredibly unfair to punish Alonso this way
Yea im torn on this one because there were i think 4 drivers with damage that kept racing , Russ, ver, Perez, and Fernando and none got a flag but i like the fia enforcing rules just not like this either do them all or none
Wait, they penalised Alonso? Did they then penalise Perez? Because his front wing was damaged and flapping around for multiple laps until it broke off and went flying towards the fence, Marshall's and spectators.
Was it only the mirror? I thought his car had more problems, after such a big accident..anyway, it is a weird penalty. They should have given the black and orange to Alonso first.
Alonso is a beast. He literally almost dies in a flying F1 car and then has the poise to control the car, drive back to pits, get repairs and come out like nothing happened. That is incredible and I can now see why people rave about him. I am a newer F1 fan and seeing his performance since last year has made me a fanboy.
I love alonso as much as the next guy but he didnt "almost die" neither did he "control the car", he went against the wall after the wheelie and fortunatly, the car was fine and he managed to continue..Thats all
@@faustinaadu2284 someone will always say that. It is the same thing with Lewis and George for exapmle. Someone will always be there to say that he is destroying him only because of points
So you can conveniently give Checo a single 5 second penalty in Singapore despite him being more than 10 car lengths behind the safety car on two occasions so he keeps his lead but you can't do the same with Fernando?
I remember when Verstappen used to move late under braking, at corners when he was young, everybody was upset and there was a whole lot of media attention about it. Eventually the FIA even amended the rules to make that sort of thing illegal. I realize that's not what happened here, but this was way more dangerous than what Verstappen used to do and I'm surprised nobody is condemning Stroll for his attitude afterwards.
Its the exact same Thing in Max case He was lucky not having a incident by doing that its not moving under breaking its moving while a other driving is commited to a move that either needs to Brake what Kimi in belgium 2016 needed to Do or crash in Strolö vs Alonso yesterday
@@humbfig1 Stroll is a random pay driver, Alonso takling shit about Hamilton was justified, they both have been top 5 drivers their whole carrier, so incidents like this should not happend at all. and ofc Alonso is a lot more forgiving towards the son of his future boss.
@@Onezmhu I'm not sure it was justified, not the way he did it..... every driver makes mistakes, Hamilton takes responsibility for his and learns from it. There is a guy out there that learns nothing from his mistakes because he never admits to commit a mistake, which makes him dangerous. That's the random guy you're talking about. It wasn't his fault the accident with Lattifi because "the road kind of leans to the right", it wasn't his fault with Alonso now because he "gave him plenty of room on the left of the track" and "there's a lot of different ways you could look at the incident.”. I just think we should congratulate Alonso on how hard he can swallow....
Usually drivers feel the bumps on the road on their ass and back (all the complains at the start of the year from purposing). I can't imagine the pain Alonso had to go trough after that drop, man.
On the post race commentary, he said he start feeling the pain. Also from people who know spanish language, they said that in spanish commentary. Alonso complaining that the medical center is not ready (either its FIA fault or COTA management fault, idk). Look like this will be a long week for him if he not checked soon.
Alonso also got a 30 second penalty hours after the race. Painful to see, especially after that incredible drive. Still a champ in my heart edit: i’d rather have alonso drive with one mirror than stroll with both, just saying edit 2: people in the comments know what they are talking about, thanks for clearing up the situation. he got no meatball flag and russell gets a slap on the wrist for dnfing another car lol…
Another thing worth mentioning here is that what Stroll made was not just a late move, it was a _reactive_ move, meaning he changed direction in response to Alonso changing direction. A lot of forms of motorsport ban reactive blocking regardless of distance between the cars because of how dangerous it is. I don't think that's an official rule in F1 atm but it's well understood to be extremely bad driving even when the challenger is further back.
Alonso didnt even move out completely before he straightened the steering wheel. I'm not saying it's not Stroll's fault, but Nando has fault aswell. Ita racing, shit happens. None of em want to crash or want to deal with crashes.
Perez drove a long time with flapping wing damage, the end plate also fell off, no black and orange flag for him, if the FIA has penalised Alonso (and I dont think he deserved to be), they'd better penalise Perez too.
@@milkshakemuncher well,having a mirror missing is worse than a damaged wing! Without mirror you can't see behind you! Without wing you only loose performance! therefore driving without mirrors makes you a danger to others! Alonso should've known it and the team as well.
@@milkshakemuncher Checos end plate was gone by like lap 6 and red bull were dealing with technical delegates during the race showing it was structurally sound after the end plate went off. Considering alsonso didnt get flagged for it and alpine couldnt fight there case like red bull did during the race the penalty is pathetic but just because haas protested both of them doesn't mean Checos wing was even close to Alonso driving with a lose/missing mirror for over half the race.
@@supmikpaddleboarding5871 Stroll had 2 mirrors. Beside that, wing damage can make the car unpredictable. What exactly happened that made you think Alonso was unsafe on track because of his missing mirror?
Alex Jacques noted that Alonso was very lucky he landed back on all 4 wheels before he hit the wall… he’s so right. Could’ve been so lethal if he didn’t. Side note: Lando Norris was saved by the halo from potentially lethal injuries of his own. There was a piece of debris that went flying straight for him. But fortunately all it did was break part of that little wheel cover. Bless the halo. Yet again.
It makes a good case for eventually switching to a modified version of the Indy aeroscreen. Since the Halo is largely ineffective against smaller flying debris.
Glad no one was seriously hurt. This was a nasty one. Also, extremely surprised that alonso was able to go back out and finish the race after that huge front drop.
Anybody saw Ocon almost full send through the crash scene overtaking Mick? He actually overtook another car that was slowing down to avoid debris and danger on the scene of the accident, just to overtake another driver. So unbelievably recless and dangerous! Ocon has some serious aggression issues on the track... this guy needs to be put in check, seriously!
Glad this didn't get lost on people. It was an insane thing to do, Stroll deserved a heavy penalty, and the way he tried to excuse it was an insult to the whole paddock.
What stings most here is that during the race, Haas notified the FIA of the loose mirror multiple times and the FIA responded with "we're looking into it". They then decided not to meatball Fernando, maybe because they took too much time and the mirror was gone already. And then after the race they say "you're a bad boy Fernando, WE let you drive with an unsafe car. You are getting the harshest penalty after disqualification because we didn't react quick enough." It's like the Gasly incident in Japan with the crane on track. They do something obviously wrong, but nit pick on the driver to cover up their own incompetence. The same thing as with Fernando happened with the front wing end plate of Perez, that was loose, no meatball, flew off, but there's no penalty there? What is this b*llshit?
That's part on the race stewart that one... But technically, if you follow the rules, that deserved a penalty. I would be curious how they punish the race stewart for a bad non-call?
What made it worse for me was watching Strolls onboard. Watching him look left in his mirrors and jerk left knowing where Alonso was. looked like a road rage maneuver.
Alonso hadn't turned when he looked in his mirror. They turned within a fraction of a second of eachother. Disingenuous and misleading to suggest the mirror look was premeditation.
At the race they had the F1 TV feed up on screens and it was blatantly obvious that Stroll moved way late. But when I watched it back on the sky sports feed it was far less obvious from the angles shown.
He did the same with Latifi in Australia qualifying And almost everyone blamed Latifi for it, because if it's Latifi who hits the wall, the whole F1 community mutually agrees to blame him since it's Latifi and he does that everytime And that's unreal to me
Going to say something that will get reactions, but because of the nature of the crash, it should be a race ban for Stroll. One, because it's not the first time Stroll has done something like this, the Latifi/Stroll crash in the Australian Qualifying comes to mind, and two, it honestly also reminded me of the Hamilton/Alonso/Grosjean crash at Belgium 2012, which saw Grosjean get at race ban. It also brought up memories of the Webber crash in 2010, and we've seen Zhou's car upside down also doesn't help the situation either. Admittedly, it's never going to happen, but at the same time, Stroll needs to learn that this is unacceptable, and the only way it feels like he'll finally get the message is a race ban.
I don't think a race ban was warranted as this is not something he routinely does. The 3 place grid penalty is an absolute joke, but a race ban shouldn't be the answer. Maybe a back of the grid or pit lane start penalty for the next race would've been better.
I thought of Stroll’s incidents from earlier this season too. Idk why he’s playing bumper cars this year. Actually, nvm I know why: not afraid of losing his seat. But he deserves a harsh penalty at this point it’s ridiculous
The FIA giving Alonso a post race decision on his wing mirrors despite there being a mechanism to do it during the race is just infuriating. Not to mention how many others were driving with damage.. The post race decision should be kept to a minimum.
the fact that stroll cannot see how he is at fault.... thats scary... hes doesnt even realise the stupidity of his action... this is what growing up with a rich daddy does to you. you are given everything you want without you ever having to take some responsibility for anything... its a really scary thought that such a mindset is currently on the grid.
Not trying to defend Stroll, but Alonso waited literally till the last possible moment to get out of the slipstream. He had enough speed to pass him leaving more space. I don't think Stroll's 100% at fault there. Yes, he didn't catch him in the mirrors (if he even looked), but still - Alonso nearly drove into him while overtaking him. We rarely see drivers come that close to another car. And, with Alonso having pretty much 20 years of experience in and around F1, he should have known better. That's my take on that.
It is a shame for both. They were both going to earn some good points that both teams desperately needed. Usually in passes like this I dont even see the car in front move at all because they know it is a done deal.
I don’t think Alonso was close to death, like these cars are super safe, look at grosjean. There’s definitely a risk factor in it but not every big crash is close to death, in the 80s sure probably even 90s, but these cars are so safe now that this is nowhere near a fatal crash.
To recap - Stroll's stupidity almost cost Alonso's life - After surviving the incident, Alonso was then given post-race 30sec. penalty for that loose mirror while George Russel who crashed on Sainz(pole) was only given 5sec penalty
I think two truths are right at the same time. I think Stroll has the biggest blaim, but from the on-board footage from Alonso, I also think he tried to stay in the slipstream too long.
I once had someone do this to me in a f1 game. He started blaming me for it. Moving over so late that the driver who is about to overtake has to brake is just so dangerous and wrong.
Also, if you think Alonso was lucky that he didn't retire, think again. This man controlled his car just enough, after doing a back-destroying wheelie, so he could still continue the race like nothing happened. Legend
I don't agree that the car overtaking should "trust the driver in front to not make knee jerk reactions". when you are tailgating someone for the slipstream and end up almost inside his rear diffuser just to get a bit more of a boost down the straight a) you have no visibility of the way ahead of you and b) you're forcing the driver to defend without moving or changing acceleration. if there was another similar battle behind stroll and Alonso and the driver in front were to brake, or even lift off the throttle, because he's seen the incident, does the fault for slamming into the back of the driver now fall on the attacking car, or the one defending. Tailgating is never safe in my opinion.
Strolls defence was not bad. The problem is is that in F1, you can only make one defensive move. Lance moved once, near the middle of the track, and then moved again. That is why Fernando hit him in the back. The reason that happened is that as Fernando saw Lance make 1 defensive move, Fernando was getting close in the slipstream to make a pass on the left hand side but get as close as possible as he thought Lance would not illegally make a defensive move again. But Lance moved twice which you cannot do in Formula 1
The problem isnt the way he moved, its when he moved. He never made the big defensive move so obviously Nando sticks in the toe as long as he can and when he dicided to pull out Stroll thought he would make the latest move ever and it was the same way as Alonso.
Lance has run a few cars off the road this season both during races and in other sessions. Iirc both Mick Schumacher and Latifi tapped the guard rails avoiding Stroll's last second antics.
Stroll just moved way to late mate yes you can Do one defence move but you cant just move when the car behind is pulling out of the slipstream same shit was in Max early red bull days with Seb and Kimi belgium 2016 best example you cant move when the car behind is having such a overspeed on the car ahead it causes literally air plane incidents on straights
How on earth you stand for stroll mistake. Not how he move but when he move. He could move earlier and nando can stick to him as long as nando want. And when those cars get really close, lance can not move like that.
Agree with Stroll. This is like saying Kvyat was at fault for Grosjean in Bahrain 2020… it’s just racing. It’s dangerous. And for the track opening. It’s not like the designers have not thought about that.
average race weekend for alpine: Qualifying: -Alonso puts the car around p6 -Esteban doesn't even get into q3 Race: -Alonso has a good start but thanks to the worst luck of all time ends up 10 places below where he should be -Ocon somehow, either through luck or skill, usually both, finishes both in points and ahead of Fernando no wonder he wants to leave alpine lmfao
No gravel near, I heard mazespins soul can only be found in the gravel pits he spun into. Also give mazepin some credit, he only spun, he didn’t send people nearly airborne.
I just wanted to let you know what my personal impression is of the current videos you are bringing up. I really like your videos and I used to enjoy them a lot. For a few months now I started watching your videos less often because I fell like there is a lot of negativity and criticism towards the sport which used to be passion. Now obviously I see that there are issues that one can discuss, but it feels like the channel has become a channel who's purpose is to create anger. That is just my impression and maybe only just a personal issue that I don't want to be confronted with so much negativity in these troubled times.
I think that might be largely due to how the algorithm works, pushing more of the "controversial" videos into recommendations and notifications, because controversial things tend to generate more "discussion" (i.e. argument) in the comments section, and the algorithm is biased towards things that have more "interaction," of which comments are a main form. More interaction implies more eyeballs looking, which means they can get more ad views and hence make more money. Across the spectrum of social media, not just F1 topics.
It's not just situational awareness that Stroll lacks, it's SELF AWARENESS. Regardless of the nepotism that gave him his job, the guy has some legit talent, and I really do think he has potential to be a good driver. But how can he be so oblivious to the optics of his reaction to this incident? Would it kill the guy to accept some responsibility? "I misjudged it, I made the wrong call, and I'm just glad that the collision wasn't worse. Major props to Fernando for the incredible way he handled the situation." Be a man, Lance, not a boy. You had a chance to save face, why didn't you take it?
It surprises me how many drivers do this exact move. It is surprising that it took this long for an accident to happen. I don't think this issue is constrained to Lance.
Funny how the two paid drivers left are the two worst at checking mirrors and causing crashes. Glad Latifi will be gone next year, but Stroll will still be around to cause mayhem
Really really bad. I thought the same thing about the opening, but if you look at the onboard, it’s only open if you look back.. the wall blocking that opening actually goes past that area and is much safer than it appears, thankfully.
Glad you guys made this. The number of fans that don’t understand that Stroll was 100% at fault is surprising. It’s not the first time he’s moved across on someone this year.
No doubt lance moved left. But I’m sure Alonso would have hit him anyway. Look at Alonso’s onboard and slow it down. Alonso never moved far enough left to pass him without running into the back of Lance
@@FluxRider0 well that’s just not true. I think you need to watch again. He’d have made it if Stroll didn’t move, I also think he reacted instinctively to Stroll moving but didn’t have enough time to move back the other way.
@@tylerp4130 I’ve just uploaded a slow mo side by side of the drivers onboards. It would have been really close if he had made it. ruclips.net/user/shortsUJi-7aE3sKQ?feature=share
@@FluxRider0 I watched it in slo-mo too. He would have made it had Stroll not moved. I also trust someone as good as Alonso wouldn’t just run into the back of someone in the middle of a straight if they didn’t move or brake.
Matty, point being. Stroll deflection says everything needed. He isn't familiar with driving in the slipstream because he is usually toddling along in P15 down, so being in the meat of the race with cars passing for position is unfamiliar. He just doesn't know how slipstreams or passing for position works.
Her middle name is butcher because she chopped that anthem into a thousand pieces and threw it in the bin like offcuts. It was the absolute worst I've ever heard the anthem sung. As an Aussie listening to the US anthem, it usually is heart felt and the pride of the nation is clear and shows through. All I got from her version is WTF, is this serious, the US fans must be disillusioned by her performance. Any 5 year old from the crowd could do a better job.
One key aspect that you forgot to mention (intentionally or not ) is that usually, when a driver overtake, they move farther away from the other car than what Alonso did in this case. He would have almost crash into Stroll even without the move. I think Alonso assumed that Stroll would not have defend (like when Leclerc or Perez pass him).
Max used to do this in his early days, which is why I didn't like him back then. Now that he's smoothed out those rough edges, he seems frickin unstoppable.
Stroll in high pitch voice: ‘There’s something in front of me going wrong… the car is weird… yesterday it was different… not so much last race… I think you should change 2 things or more somewhere n the front or back… left and right too.. yes… make it 4…’ Engineer:😐…
@@Mr_diggaer it wasn't actually 100% his fault, even Fernando admits that he himself and lance were both too late with their moves and admitted it's more a racing incident than a slam dunk wrongful move that is all on stroll. And mind you, they talked this out in the stewards room and not just cuz "he's moving to his team next year" 🙄
@@prithviraj.r5734 You do know Alonso is watching his words right? Alonso had no reason to move out of the toe earlier because Lance never did a defensive move and when he did Alonso was going for the overtake after getting maximum toe. There is no one to blame except Stroll on this. Ofc Alonso is going to watch his words, not only did he hit Lance, remember who owns Aston etc, and we know Alonso doesnt care for shit and if it would have been any other car he would have been furious lmao
Again I petition for penalty of 25% increase of mirror size each time you make move after not looking in the mirrors. Make it stack. At the end of the season Stroll and Latifi would not be able to pass one another on the track.
My only reaction was Stroll is gonna Stroll, he does this multiple times every year and seems never learn from his mistakes, thank god daddy owns the team
It was bad but it wasnt completely on Stroll this time. He starts moving almost exactly the same time as Alonso. Alonso was practically touching his rear before he pulled out. He did it way to late. Whoever anyone else blames it on. Its no more than 60/40 in either direction. Both made bad moves and both played a part in causing this crash
He isnt a pay driver, he is very good. Both Quali and the race battle this season are really tight between Vettel and Stroll (10-7 and 9-7). Most F1 fans dont want to accept that he is almost as good as Vettel.
@paper plane might I add that Seb is at the end of his career and is about to retire? It's not a coincidence that they keep putting "oldies" next to him.
@paper plane neither do I. quite the opposite, in fact. If Lance get beaten by two world champions, no one is really gonna question his skills. on the other end, if they get a youngster (Mick for example) and he constantly beats him, investors might start to ask some questions.
@paper plane Vettel got most of his points (22 points) in just 3 races(Baku, Japan and Austin). In most of the other races was Stroll the faster Aston Martin. Stroll was unlucky in the races he could score big points( Miami, Singapore, Canada, Silverstone and Austin).So yeah Stroll is almost as good as Vettel.
@paper plane you are wrong with Canada. The safety car cane out just as Stroll left the pitlane. It could have been a P7 or P8 for Stroll but the safety car cost him. It was a very impressive drive from Stroll starting in P20 i believe.
I must say, I thought the media were very light on Stroll for that move yesterday. Late moves in motorsport are an absolute no-no, especially at those speeds.
I think Alonso was 90% at fault for the crash because given how close he was up the Aston’s backside he wasn’t going to clear the rear tires even if stroll hadn’t moved slightly to the left. So I disagree with the assessment most of us agree with your assessment. But rather than guessing let’s do a poll.
Stroll only got 3 place grid penalty for this incident. Yuki got 5 seconds time penalty and penalty point was awarded in 2021 Brazilian GP. WHICH WAS STROLL’S FAULT!!!
I wonder you didn't mentioned the worst case scenario: Alonso do more wheelie, hit the barrier, maybe car split in two pieces and probably jumped into the fence
I don't think Stroll is completely off base here with his opinion that Alonso didn't need to be so close. Alonso's closing speed was insane and he was easily going to overtake Stroll. IMO Stroll's move was almost instinctual and he didn't realize how fast Alonso was closing. It looks to me that Stroll tries to cover him off and then realizes how fast he is being overtaken and he tries to correct, but it's just too late. If Alonso had gone a little wider and a little earlier there would have been no contact.
I mean Stroll barely drifted to the left. Alonso is definitely at fault too for not moving over earlier too. Why is it wrong for Stroll to move late and not wrong that Alonso moved way too late too? To use your own words it is absolutely on Alonso for moving so ridiculously late. There was plenty of room for Alonso to pass him on the left but Alonso moved way too late.
He explained in the video that Alonso wanted to stay in the slipstream as long as possible. The difference between this incident and almost every other pass on a straight in F1 this year, is that the lead car didn't stay in his lane when he was getting passed.
Something I've been thinking for years is that as all the F1 cars now have rear facing cameras for TV, they should also have a screen in the cockpit (on/behind the steering wheel) to give the driver a clearer view of what's happening behind him.
Don’t blame the camera angle - the “hole in the wall” is overlapping; they purposefully don’t put a square edge there for exactly this reason. The camera position merely lines up with that wall so well (and is so far away) that you can’t tell how long it is. Alonso would have had to pull a U-turn to have crashed into any wall there (but it’s Alonso so he perhaps could have flexed those muscles too).
This was very scary. Reminded me of Dario Franchitti's career ending crash where the car got launched like that but into the catch fence. Had the car been closer to the fence, the same kind of nasty accident could have happened here as well.
Saw the move earlier today and couldn't agree more. I wonder what the relationship is going to be like between the two of them once they become teammates
There was a Drake-esque meme floating around right after the Alonso to AM announcement, like [Lawrence Stroll frowning]: "Fire your son because he's not good a enough driver" / [Lawrence Stroll smiling]: "Keep hiring multi-time world champions as his teammate so he quits out of embarrassment" 😂😂
I’ve been in Canada many times and let me tell you …. Stroll and lattifi drive just like most Canadians , they never check their mirrors and they don’t care if they cut you off
I honestly don't think the FIA penalized Lance harshly enough. You get a bigger grid penalty for changing your engine too many times than what they gave Lance, and he sent somebody into the air with a horrible block. Should've been a 5 place grid penalty at the least or a pit lane start for the next race at worst.
Tell you what else didn't make sense we seen magnussen being black flagged several times this season very quickly yet perez did 6 laps with his end plate hanging off yet the flag didn't come out. Guarantee of that was magnussen he would have been waved in by lap 3.
Well looking on the onboards and Palmers analasys you can see Alonso turning right, right before the contact. Imo yall are way to harsh on Stroll just because it looked like a major inscident, but in reality the move was so minor and Alonso making misstakes himself.
I dont care what anyone tells me. Alonso is the greatest driver to ever grace f1. What he did here at the usa gp is not human. Give this guy a red bull ferrari or even a Mercedes and he wins the championship. Fricking monster
I still dont understand why Alonso got a post-race 30 second penalty for driving in 'unsafe conditions' (the loose mirror), when FIA itself didnt bother waving the black and orange flag. Any team would avoid pitting for repairs unless absolutely necessary, it's not logical to expect teams to make that call themselves. It's incredibly unfair to punish Alonso this way
Yep, I agree. If they didn't tell them to pit because of the loose mirror, they can't hand out a penalty for it... It's ridiculous.
Yea im torn on this one because there were i think 4 drivers with damage that kept racing , Russ, ver, Perez, and Fernando and none got a flag but i like the fia enforcing rules just not like this either do them all or none
Wait, they penalised Alonso? Did they then penalise Perez? Because his front wing was damaged and flapping around for multiple laps until it broke off and went flying towards the fence, Marshall's and spectators.
It wasn't for the loose mirror but the absence of a mirror that made the car unsafe.
Was it only the mirror? I thought his car had more problems, after such a big accident..anyway, it is a weird penalty. They should have given the black and orange to Alonso first.
"Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Welcome to the team, Fernando!" -Lance Stroll to Fernando Alonso in the middle of a race
Alonso is a beast. He literally almost dies in a flying F1 car and then has the poise to control the car, drive back to pits, get repairs and come out like nothing happened. That is incredible and I can now see why people rave about him. I am a newer F1 fan and seeing his performance since last year has made me a fanboy.
not only did he come back out like nothing happened, he managed to get himself back up to P6. P7 by race end but still impressive as hell
If you were compiling a top 5 of all-time list, it would be difficult to leave him out.
I love alonso as much as the next guy but he didnt "almost die" neither did he "control the car", he went against the wall after the wheelie and fortunatly, the car was fine and he managed to continue..Thats all
“almost dies” 😂 geez a bit dramatic huh
Talk about exagerating 💀
What I find incredible is how Alonso still tried to keep it out of the barrier after landing and he minimised the damage meaning he could continue
Yaa, incredible, with speed of 186 mph.....
Yeah. He kept steering the whole way even when the front wheels were way up in the air.
@@sanjayoak4416 that is literally take off speed for a plane
What else would he do? Steer into the barrier? 🤣
@@bangbangzz1 I doubt you would have keep steering while flying through the air at 300kph
I feel so bad for Alonso, dude has horrible luck
I hate why people are saying that Ocon is better than Alonso due to points when there is proof that Alonso is the better driver
@@faustinaadu2284 ikr, they only look at the stats :/
@@faustinaadu2284 someone will always say that. It is the same thing with Lewis and George for exapmle. Someone will always be there to say that he is destroying him only because of points
@@faustinaadu2284 yea it’s called two WDC and he came in second for many more
@@faustinaadu2284 Looool wat. That's not even a contest 😂😂
Edit: they also clearly didn't watch his career in the 2000s/early 2010s...
Only thing keeping that Alpine from totally flipping, was the massive weight of Mr. Alonso's balls.
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We've been saying this about Alonso for decades already. It's never too late to join the Magic Alonso Adamantium Balls Religion.
That 30 seconds penalty... I bet it hurts even more than the landing did.
I think the landing can hurt more. Need to check his spine.
So you can conveniently give Checo a single 5 second penalty in Singapore despite him being more than 10 car lengths behind the safety car on two occasions so he keeps his lead but you can't do the same with Fernando?
I remember when Verstappen used to move late under braking, at corners when he was young, everybody was upset and there was a whole lot of media attention about it. Eventually the FIA even amended the rules to make that sort of thing illegal.
I realize that's not what happened here, but this was way more dangerous than what Verstappen used to do and I'm surprised nobody is condemning Stroll for his attitude afterwards.
You've literally watched a whole video doing exactly that and he references the number of people are twitter giving him a hard time
Imo the main reason he hasnt gotten as much flak is because *immediately* he got on the radio and said “I crashed”
He knew he fucked it and said so
stroll literally did exactly ehat verstappen used to do lol
amd yeah he should be (and is) being condemned for it
Dumb thing is some ppl think this is Alonso's fault because apparently stayed in the toe for too long
Its the exact same Thing in Max case He was lucky not having a incident by doing that its not moving under breaking its moving while a other driving is commited to a move that either needs to Brake what Kimi in belgium 2016 needed to Do or crash in Strolö vs Alonso yesterday
Alonso was so relaxed and understanding in the moment. Almost like he doesn’t want to talk smack about his new bosses son 😂😂😂
yep. He's a dog who respects his owner. Just imagine if it was Lewis doing that to him.....
@@humbfig1 I think it's more about personal interest than anything, Fernando's known for speaking his mind whenever he sees fit.
@@danbolademarte I agree. My point is that this time around he didn't see it fit to speak his mind.....
@@humbfig1 Stroll is a random pay driver, Alonso takling shit about Hamilton was justified, they both have been top 5 drivers their whole carrier, so incidents like this should not happend at all. and ofc Alonso is a lot more forgiving towards the son of his future boss.
@@Onezmhu I'm not sure it was justified, not the way he did it..... every driver makes mistakes, Hamilton takes responsibility for his and learns from it.
There is a guy out there that learns nothing from his mistakes because he never admits to commit a mistake, which makes him dangerous. That's the random guy you're talking about. It wasn't his fault the accident with Lattifi because "the road kind of leans to the right", it wasn't his fault with Alonso now because he "gave him plenty of room on the left of the track" and "there's a lot of different ways you could look at the incident.”.
I just think we should congratulate Alonso on how hard he can swallow....
I love how Alonso was doing oppo lock whilst the front wheels were mid-air and whilst he was crashing into the barrier.
What is oppo lock?
@@oonmm opposite lock, steering the opposite way of the car sliding to straighten up the car
@@oonmm opposite lock, steering the opposite way of the car sliding to straighten up the car
Old habits die hard 😅
@@Taylor___ Okay, thanks for the explanation!
Usually drivers feel the bumps on the road on their ass and back (all the complains at the start of the year from purposing). I can't imagine the pain Alonso had to go trough after that drop, man.
On the post race commentary, he said he start feeling the pain. Also from people who know spanish language, they said that in spanish commentary. Alonso complaining that the medical center is not ready (either its FIA fault or COTA management fault, idk). Look like this will be a long week for him if he not checked soon.
I feel like he would have started to experience pain much later, adrenaline at work. He’s gonna need some good back massages until the next race.
Abbey Eaton on that very same circuit had a broken back because of a wheelie I think it was in w series…could have went much worse for Alonso
Alonso also got a 30 second penalty hours after the race. Painful to see, especially after that incredible drive. Still a champ in my heart
edit: i’d rather have alonso drive with one mirror than stroll with both, just saying
edit 2: people in the comments know what they are talking about, thanks for clearing up the situation. he got no meatball flag and russell gets a slap on the wrist for dnfing another car lol…
Such a terrible penalty, especially waiting until after the race...
does it stand? I thought alpine protested that the complaint from haas was too late/exceeding time limit to protest.
@@ssifr3331 it's not final.
How come russel gets only a slap on the wrist huh
And it wasn’t Alonso’s fault 🤦🏻
Another thing worth mentioning here is that what Stroll made was not just a late move, it was a _reactive_ move, meaning he changed direction in response to Alonso changing direction. A lot of forms of motorsport ban reactive blocking regardless of distance between the cars because of how dangerous it is. I don't think that's an official rule in F1 atm but it's well understood to be extremely bad driving even when the challenger is further back.
he drives like he's play an online F1 game lobby and not like he's driving a 300km/h metal missile essentially
Alonso didnt even move out completely before he straightened the steering wheel. I'm not saying it's not Stroll's fault, but Nando has fault aswell. Ita racing, shit happens. None of em want to crash or want to deal with crashes.
Alonso didn't blame Stroll for the shunt, it was quite considerate of him. 😄
mindful of who he's driving for next season
@@kiemet94 Yes of course... imagine if it were Lewis instead of Stroll.
2014 alonso would have slanted him so hard, he'd have gone 2018 brazil verstappen on daddy's cash
@@soundscape26 then he would probably have said more than he did, because lewis has been in formula 1 since 2007 and hes a 7 time world champion.
You don't bite the hand that feeds you or is gonna feed you. He'll have his revenge next year in more subtle ways.
Stroll Roll.
Can’t believe the FIA penalised Alonso when he was racing for like 40 minutes. When they didn’t even show the black and orange flag.
Perez drove a long time with flapping wing damage, the end plate also fell off, no black and orange flag for him, if the FIA has penalised Alonso (and I dont think he deserved to be), they'd better penalise Perez too.
@@milkshakemuncher well,having a mirror missing is worse than a damaged wing! Without mirror you can't see behind you! Without wing you only loose performance! therefore driving without mirrors makes you a danger to others! Alonso should've known it and the team as well.
He still had another working mirror tho
@@milkshakemuncher Checos end plate was gone by like lap 6 and red bull were dealing with technical delegates during the race showing it was structurally sound after the end plate went off. Considering alsonso didnt get flagged for it and alpine couldnt fight there case like red bull did during the race the penalty is pathetic but just because haas protested both of them doesn't mean Checos wing was even close to Alonso driving with a lose/missing mirror for over half the race.
@@supmikpaddleboarding5871 Stroll had 2 mirrors. Beside that, wing damage can make the car unpredictable. What exactly happened that made you think Alonso was unsafe on track because of his missing mirror?
Alonso thinking: "What the f*** is that kid doing!"
Alonso saying: "Yah, that was maybe a bit close by me."
Strolls father: "Good."
Lance had a great race and weekend. Then he almost killed Alonso with his late move to the left on the back straight.
Hamilton did the same to Russell a few races ago.
@@JakeM218 huh? Zandvoort? George just was just going straight into Hamilton, and Lewis didn't make any move so he was all correct.
Alex Jacques noted that Alonso was very lucky he landed back on all 4 wheels before he hit the wall… he’s so right. Could’ve been so lethal if he didn’t.
Side note: Lando Norris was saved by the halo from potentially lethal injuries of his own. There was a piece of debris that went flying straight for him. But fortunately all it did was break part of that little wheel cover. Bless the halo. Yet again.
It makes a good case for eventually switching to a modified version of the Indy aeroscreen. Since the Halo is largely ineffective against smaller flying debris.
Halo doesn’t do anything against small debris. Stop praising the halo and instead praise the helmet itself
@@tmhvrs remember massa in Hungary?
@@Bamba513 yeah and without the helmet he would’ve died.
@@tmhvrs well the debris didnt hit the helmet due to it smashing against and apart on the halo first, so yeah win for the halo here.
Glad no one was seriously hurt. This was a nasty one. Also, extremely surprised that alonso was able to go back out and finish the race after that huge front drop.
Typical Stroll. You could hear Alonso's heart beating in his voice when they checked on him.
Yeah Alonso knew what couldve happend
It was unnerving to hear the trembling in his voice.
Anybody saw Ocon almost full send through the crash scene overtaking Mick? He actually overtook another car that was slowing down to avoid debris and danger on the scene of the accident, just to overtake another driver. So unbelievably recless and dangerous! Ocon has some serious aggression issues on the track... this guy needs to be put in check, seriously!
Ocon has the worst case of tunnel vision on the grid. But he's a good driver so it usually doesn't end poorly.
@@JohnFromAccounting Yeah, fused by pure aggression and no thinking at all, which is so bad for a F1 Driver...
Glad this didn't get lost on people. It was an insane thing to do, Stroll deserved a heavy penalty, and the way he tried to excuse it was an insult to the whole paddock.
"What penalty would you have given?"
Maximum penalty
- Alonso, 2018
What stings most here is that during the race, Haas notified the FIA of the loose mirror multiple times and the FIA responded with "we're looking into it". They then decided not to meatball Fernando, maybe because they took too much time and the mirror was gone already. And then after the race they say "you're a bad boy Fernando, WE let you drive with an unsafe car. You are getting the harshest penalty after disqualification because we didn't react quick enough." It's like the Gasly incident in Japan with the crane on track. They do something obviously wrong, but nit pick on the driver to cover up their own incompetence. The same thing as with Fernando happened with the front wing end plate of Perez, that was loose, no meatball, flew off, but there's no penalty there? What is this b*llshit?
That's part on the race stewart that one... But technically, if you follow the rules, that deserved a penalty.
I would be curious how they punish the race stewart for a bad non-call?
What made it worse for me was watching Strolls onboard. Watching him look left in his mirrors and jerk left knowing where Alonso was. looked like a road rage maneuver.
Alonso hadn't turned when he looked in his mirror. They turned within a fraction of a second of eachother. Disingenuous and misleading to suggest the mirror look was premeditation.
At the race they had the F1 TV feed up on screens and it was blatantly obvious that Stroll moved way late. But when I watched it back on the sky sports feed it was far less obvious from the angles shown.
He did the same with Latifi in Australia qualifying
And almost everyone blamed Latifi for it, because if it's Latifi who hits the wall, the whole F1 community mutually agrees to blame him since it's Latifi and he does that everytime
And that's unreal to me
Latifi is good enough to just rocket league jump over him.
If it's the one I'm thinking, no? Wasn't everyone in agreement that it was stroll and latifi didn't do anything wrong?
@@AZestyNewt nope, i've seen a lot of hate from both sides at the time
Going to say something that will get reactions, but because of the nature of the crash, it should be a race ban for Stroll. One, because it's not the first time Stroll has done something like this, the Latifi/Stroll crash in the Australian Qualifying comes to mind, and two, it honestly also reminded me of the Hamilton/Alonso/Grosjean crash at Belgium 2012, which saw Grosjean get at race ban.
It also brought up memories of the Webber crash in 2010, and we've seen Zhou's car upside down also doesn't help the situation either.
Admittedly, it's never going to happen, but at the same time, Stroll needs to learn that this is unacceptable, and the only way it feels like he'll finally get the message is a race ban.
Yeah, I completly agree with race ban. Thats the first thing that came on my mind when i saw this incident
I don't think a race ban was warranted as this is not something he routinely does. The 3 place grid penalty is an absolute joke, but a race ban shouldn't be the answer. Maybe a back of the grid or pit lane start penalty for the next race would've been better.
I thought of Stroll’s incidents from earlier this season too. Idk why he’s playing bumper cars this year. Actually, nvm I know why: not afraid of losing his seat. But he deserves a harsh penalty at this point it’s ridiculous
Even Alonso thinks it was a racing incident, but some people are just happy when they can hate on a driver.
@@Jannl98 Do you really think Alonso was honest? What do you expect Alonso to say, if Stroll is his future teammate and son of his boss?
FIA: In hindsight, we should have acted differently.
Also FIA: We're going to penalise Alonso for our own mistake.
I didn't actually think he did anything wrong but looking at this I can see why everyone was talking about it now, cheers for the vid
It gives me flashback to about any and every f1 open lobby i’ve tried to overtake in.
More like any online racing game ever.
The FIA giving Alonso a post race decision on his wing mirrors despite there being a mechanism to do it during the race is just infuriating. Not to mention how many others were driving with damage.. The post race decision should be kept to a minimum.
And Fernando can't complain about it because Lance father is his new boss
the fact that stroll cannot see how he is at fault.... thats scary... hes doesnt even realise the stupidity of his action... this is what growing up with a rich daddy does to you. you are given everything you want without you ever having to take some responsibility for anything...
its a really scary thought that such a mindset is currently on the grid.
Not trying to defend Stroll, but Alonso waited literally till the last possible moment to get out of the slipstream. He had enough speed to pass him leaving more space. I don't think Stroll's 100% at fault there. Yes, he didn't catch him in the mirrors (if he even looked), but still - Alonso nearly drove into him while overtaking him. We rarely see drivers come that close to another car. And, with Alonso having pretty much 20 years of experience in and around F1, he should have known better. That's my take on that.
It is a shame for both. They were both going to earn some good points that both teams desperately needed. Usually in passes like this I dont even see the car in front move at all because they know it is a done deal.
And Stroll got away with a 3 place grid penalty for nearly killing his future teammate
I don’t think Alonso was close to death, like these cars are super safe, look at grosjean. There’s definitely a risk factor in it but not every big crash is close to death, in the 80s sure probably even 90s, but these cars are so safe now that this is nowhere near a fatal crash.
@@retrobeans24 all fine and dandy but let's not tempt fate
Yet another moment that highlights that Stroll drives like he’s the only one on the circuit
Stroll is very dangerous move in f1 history already
is maldonado a joke to you
@@Aubergineman18 yes
To recap
- Stroll's stupidity almost cost Alonso's life
- After surviving the incident, Alonso was then given post-race 30sec. penalty for that loose mirror while George Russel who crashed on Sainz(pole) was only given 5sec penalty
I think two truths are right at the same time. I think Stroll has the biggest blaim, but from the on-board footage from Alonso, I also think he tried to stay in the slipstream too long.
There's no question Alonso held back his thoughts & anger on his future teammate
The most worrying thing about this is the fact that Stroll actually believes it wasn't his fault...
I once had someone do this to me in a f1 game. He started blaming me for it. Moving over so late that the driver who is about to overtake has to brake is just so dangerous and wrong.
Also, if you think Alonso was lucky that he didn't retire, think again. This man controlled his car just enough, after doing a back-destroying wheelie, so he could still continue the race like nothing happened. Legend
I don't agree that the car overtaking should "trust the driver in front to not make knee jerk reactions". when you are tailgating someone for the slipstream and end up almost inside his rear diffuser just to get a bit more of a boost down the straight a) you have no visibility of the way ahead of you and b) you're forcing the driver to defend without moving or changing acceleration. if there was another similar battle behind stroll and Alonso and the driver in front were to brake, or even lift off the throttle, because he's seen the incident, does the fault for slamming into the back of the driver now fall on the attacking car, or the one defending. Tailgating is never safe in my opinion.
that's why I think the only mistake stroll made was moving to block Alonso, because that's what he did, he reacted to Alonso's move.
Strolls defence was not bad. The problem is is that in F1, you can only make one defensive move. Lance moved once, near the middle of the track, and then moved again. That is why Fernando hit him in the back. The reason that happened is that as Fernando saw Lance make 1 defensive move, Fernando was getting close in the slipstream to make a pass on the left hand side but get as close as possible as he thought Lance would not illegally make a defensive move again. But Lance moved twice which you cannot do in Formula 1
Stroll's move was waaaaayyy too late
The problem isnt the way he moved, its when he moved. He never made the big defensive move so obviously Nando sticks in the toe as long as he can and when he dicided to pull out Stroll thought he would make the latest move ever and it was the same way as Alonso.
Lance has run a few cars off the road this season both during races and in other sessions. Iirc both Mick Schumacher and Latifi tapped the guard rails avoiding Stroll's last second antics.
Stroll just moved way to late mate yes you can Do one defence move but you cant just move when the car behind is pulling out of the slipstream same shit was in Max early red bull days with Seb and Kimi belgium 2016 best example you cant move when the car behind is having such a overspeed on the car ahead it causes literally air plane incidents on straights
How on earth you stand for stroll mistake. Not how he move but when he move. He could move earlier and nando can stick to him as long as nando want. And when those cars get really close, lance can not move like that.
Agree with Stroll. This is like saying Kvyat was at fault for Grosjean in Bahrain 2020… it’s just racing. It’s dangerous. And for the track opening. It’s not like the designers have not thought about that.
average race weekend for alpine:
Qualifying:
-Alonso puts the car around p6
-Esteban doesn't even get into q3
Race:
-Alonso has a good start but thanks to the worst luck of all time ends up 10 places below where he should be
-Ocon somehow, either through luck or skill, usually both, finishes both in points and ahead of Fernando
no wonder he wants to leave alpine lmfao
Also alpine weren’t gonna give him the contract he wanted.
I was waiting for a super angry team radio. Then I remembered who Alonso's boss is next year. That was a TAME radio for Alonso after the incident.
He was scared, too, it was a radio of a scared person.
they are so lucky it wasn’t much worse :(
Considering how much AMR improved this season, I wouldn't be surprised if they finish P4 in the constructors championship next season
It was the Mazepin spirit who took possession of Stroll's hands in that moment 😲😲
No gravel near, I heard mazespins soul can only be found in the gravel pits he spun into. Also give mazepin some credit, he only spun, he didn’t send people nearly airborne.
I just wanted to let you know what my personal impression is of the current videos you are bringing up. I really like your videos and I used to enjoy them a lot. For a few months now I started watching your videos less often because I fell like there is a lot of negativity and criticism towards the sport which used to be passion. Now obviously I see that there are issues that one can discuss, but it feels like the channel has become a channel who's purpose is to create anger. That is just my impression and maybe only just a personal issue that I don't want to be confronted with so much negativity in these troubled times.
I think that might be largely due to how the algorithm works, pushing more of the "controversial" videos into recommendations and notifications, because controversial things tend to generate more "discussion" (i.e. argument) in the comments section, and the algorithm is biased towards things that have more "interaction," of which comments are a main form. More interaction implies more eyeballs looking, which means they can get more ad views and hence make more money. Across the spectrum of social media, not just F1 topics.
It's not just situational awareness that Stroll lacks, it's SELF AWARENESS. Regardless of the nepotism that gave him his job, the guy has some legit talent, and I really do think he has potential to be a good driver. But how can he be so oblivious to the optics of his reaction to this incident? Would it kill the guy to accept some responsibility? "I misjudged it, I made the wrong call, and I'm just glad that the collision wasn't worse. Major props to Fernando for the incredible way he handled the situation." Be a man, Lance, not a boy. You had a chance to save face, why didn't you take it?
It surprises me how many drivers do this exact move. It is surprising that it took this long for an accident to happen. I don't think this issue is constrained to Lance.
what max used to do
what latifi used to do (technically still does)
what leclerc once did by mistake
when stroll continues to carry the tradition
Funny how the two paid drivers left are the two worst at checking mirrors and causing crashes. Glad Latifi will be gone next year, but Stroll will still be around to cause mayhem
@@man0mule give him one more season, Ric to Aston in 2024
Really really bad. I thought the same thing about the opening, but if you look at the onboard, it’s only open if you look back.. the wall blocking that opening actually goes past that area and is much safer than it appears, thankfully.
Glad you guys made this. The number of fans that don’t understand that Stroll was 100% at fault is surprising. It’s not the first time he’s moved across on someone this year.
Wasn't it in Spain (i think 2021) when he moved really late against Ricciardo and almost caused a crash?
No doubt lance moved left. But I’m sure Alonso would have hit him anyway. Look at Alonso’s onboard and slow it down. Alonso never moved far enough left to pass him without running into the back of Lance
@@FluxRider0 well that’s just not true. I think you need to watch again. He’d have made it if Stroll didn’t move, I also think he reacted instinctively to Stroll moving but didn’t have enough time to move back the other way.
@@tylerp4130 I’ve just uploaded a slow mo side by side of the drivers onboards. It would have been really close if he had made it. ruclips.net/user/shortsUJi-7aE3sKQ?feature=share
@@FluxRider0 I watched it in slo-mo too. He would have made it had Stroll not moved. I also trust someone as good as Alonso wouldn’t just run into the back of someone in the middle of a straight if they didn’t move or brake.
Stroll is not a bad driver, he can hold his own. I think he's a bit underrated.
I just feel bad for Seb because of his SHOCKING Pitstop
Aston Martin: "Red Bull has the fastest pit stops, so let's try to do it like they do it."
Seb: "wait, not like that!"
😆
Matty, point being. Stroll deflection says everything needed. He isn't familiar with driving in the slipstream because he is usually toddling along in P15 down, so being in the meat of the race with cars passing for position is unfamiliar. He just doesn't know how slipstreams or passing for position works.
Aside from Stroll's disgusting move, the person who REALLY made a bad decision is the one who chose that woman who sang our national anthem.
I turned the volume down after a few high notes, my ears started to bleed. No harsh feelings for your national anthem though.
I thought It’s kind a tradition now in the US to completely butcher the anthem at sport-events.
Like Fergie at the Allstar-Game. :D
Singing? I only hear a grown up woman screaming and missing the notes.
Her middle name is butcher because she chopped that anthem into a thousand pieces and threw it in the bin like offcuts.
It was the absolute worst I've ever heard the anthem sung.
As an Aussie listening to the US anthem, it usually is heart felt and the pride of the nation is clear and shows through.
All I got from her version is WTF, is this serious, the US fans must be disillusioned by her performance.
Any 5 year old from the crowd could do a better job.
Alonso is hard as nails. Fact he controlled it landed it drove it back then continued absolute mad man.
One key aspect that you forgot to mention (intentionally or not ) is that usually, when a driver overtake, they move farther away from the other car than what Alonso did in this case. He would have almost crash into Stroll even without the move. I think Alonso assumed that Stroll would not have defend (like when Leclerc or Perez pass him).
Max used to do this in his early days, which is why I didn't like him back then. Now that he's smoothed out those rough edges, he seems frickin unstoppable.
How Alonso finished the race after this is insane
ignore the bot above me
Stroll in high pitch voice: ‘There’s something in front of me going wrong… the car is weird… yesterday it was different… not so much last race… I think you should change 2 things or more somewhere n the front or back… left and right too.. yes… make it 4…’
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I'm still wondering how Alonso didn't win Driver of the Day after recovering to P7
cos Seb was on fire :)
Because Seb ran an incredible race as well even with his pitcrew trying to screw him.
I honestly think Stroll could have been in contention for Driver of the Day had he not crashed... Though Alonso was in contention with crashing
And here in Germany the commentators from sky saw Alonso at fault. Totally unbelievable.
The german commentators are just stupid. Even a blind person saw that Stroll moved and it was 100% his fault.
@@Mr_diggaer it wasn't actually 100% his fault, even Fernando admits that he himself and lance were both too late with their moves and admitted it's more a racing incident than a slam dunk wrongful move that is all on stroll. And mind you, they talked this out in the stewards room and not just cuz "he's moving to his team next year" 🙄
They also blamed the Sainz incident on Hamilton... They are so bad at these things.
I mean Ralf Schumacher doesn't even know what's going on half of the race...
@@prithviraj.r5734 You do know Alonso is watching his words right? Alonso had no reason to move out of the toe earlier because Lance never did a defensive move and when he did Alonso was going for the overtake after getting maximum toe. There is no one to blame except Stroll on this. Ofc Alonso is going to watch his words, not only did he hit Lance, remember who owns Aston etc, and we know Alonso doesnt care for shit and if it would have been any other car he would have been furious lmao
Again I petition for penalty of 25% increase of mirror size each time you make move after not looking in the mirrors. Make it stack. At the end of the season Stroll and Latifi would not be able to pass one another on the track.
My only reaction was Stroll is gonna Stroll, he does this multiple times every year and seems never learn from his mistakes, thank god daddy owns the team
Stroll said on the radio "I crashed" instead of saying "I got hit by..." . This shows that he knew it was his mistake
It was bad but it wasnt completely on Stroll this time. He starts moving almost exactly the same time as Alonso.
Alonso was practically touching his rear before he pulled out. He did it way to late.
Whoever anyone else blames it on. Its no more than 60/40 in either direction. Both made bad moves and both played a part in causing this crash
That’s just bullsh!t to blame one side of this accident. Alonso did also make a mistake by going too close in the slipstream
how is Stroll still in F1 is beyond me... oh, wait, I know how.
He isnt a pay driver, he is very good. Both Quali and the race battle this season are really tight between Vettel and Stroll (10-7 and 9-7). Most F1 fans dont want to accept that he is almost as good as Vettel.
@paper plane might I add that Seb is at the end of his career and is about to retire? It's not a coincidence that they keep putting "oldies" next to him.
@paper plane neither do I. quite the opposite, in fact. If Lance get beaten by two world champions, no one is really gonna question his skills. on the other end, if they get a youngster (Mick for example) and he constantly beats him, investors might start to ask some questions.
@paper plane Vettel got most of his points (22 points) in just 3 races(Baku, Japan and Austin). In most of the other races was Stroll the faster Aston Martin. Stroll was unlucky in the races he could score big points( Miami, Singapore, Canada, Silverstone and Austin).So yeah Stroll is almost as good as Vettel.
@paper plane you are wrong with Canada. The safety car cane out just as Stroll left the pitlane. It could have been a P7 or P8 for Stroll but the safety car cost him. It was a very impressive drive from Stroll starting in P20 i believe.
I must say, I thought the media were very light on Stroll for that move yesterday. Late moves in motorsport are an absolute no-no, especially at those speeds.
I think Alonso was 90% at fault for the crash because given how close he was up the Aston’s backside he wasn’t going to clear the rear tires even if stroll hadn’t moved slightly to the left.
So I disagree with the assessment most of us agree with your assessment.
But rather than guessing let’s do a poll.
Downvotes don't work, but no.
Stroll only got 3 place grid penalty for this incident.
Yuki got 5 seconds time penalty and penalty point was awarded in 2021 Brazilian GP. WHICH WAS STROLL’S FAULT!!!
I wonder you didn't mentioned the worst case scenario:
Alonso do more wheelie, hit the barrier, maybe car split in two pieces and probably jumped into the fence
I don't think Stroll is completely off base here with his opinion that Alonso didn't need to be so close. Alonso's closing speed was insane and he was easily going to overtake Stroll. IMO Stroll's move was almost instinctual and he didn't realize how fast Alonso was closing. It looks to me that Stroll tries to cover him off and then realizes how fast he is being overtaken and he tries to correct, but it's just too late. If Alonso had gone a little wider and a little earlier there would have been no contact.
I mean Stroll barely drifted to the left. Alonso is definitely at fault too for not moving over earlier too. Why is it wrong for Stroll to move late and not wrong that Alonso moved way too late too?
To use your own words it is absolutely on Alonso for moving so ridiculously late. There was plenty of room for Alonso to pass him on the left but Alonso moved way too late.
He explained in the video that Alonso wanted to stay in the slipstream as long as possible. The difference between this incident and almost every other pass on a straight in F1 this year, is that the lead car didn't stay in his lane when he was getting passed.
Something I've been thinking for years is that as all the F1 cars now have rear facing cameras for TV, they should also have a screen in the cockpit (on/behind the steering wheel) to give the driver a clearer view of what's happening behind him.
I was surprised the Alpine was still able to finish the race.
Yeah same, they should send that tank to Ukraine when the season ends🤣
That instant Justice factor was satisfying when Alonso was unbelievably able to keep racing unperturbed, while Stroll was completely undone.
Was he, after all?
Alonso has balls of steel and a freaking legend of the sport. Stroll will only be remembered as daddy's kid.
Don’t blame the camera angle - the “hole in the wall” is overlapping; they purposefully don’t put a square edge there for exactly this reason. The camera position merely lines up with that wall so well (and is so far away) that you can’t tell how long it is. Alonso would have had to pull a U-turn to have crashed into any wall there (but it’s Alonso so he perhaps could have flexed those muscles too).
This was very scary. Reminded me of Dario Franchitti's career ending crash where the car got launched like that but into the catch fence. Had the car been closer to the fence, the same kind of nasty accident could have happened here as well.
What was a miracle is that Alonso was safe and could complete the race, I thought his car would have been retired
Saw the move earlier today and couldn't agree more. I wonder what the relationship is going to be like between the two of them once they become teammates
Only will see eachother when blue flags are out.
There was a Drake-esque meme floating around right after the Alonso to AM announcement, like [Lawrence Stroll frowning]: "Fire your son because he's not good a enough driver" / [Lawrence Stroll smiling]: "Keep hiring multi-time world champions as his teammate so he quits out of embarrassment"
😂😂
I’ve been in Canada many times and let me tell you …. Stroll and lattifi drive just like most Canadians , they never check their mirrors and they don’t care if they cut you off
I honestly don't think the FIA penalized Lance harshly enough. You get a bigger grid penalty for changing your engine too many times than what they gave Lance, and he sent somebody into the air with a horrible block. Should've been a 5 place grid penalty at the least or a pit lane start for the next race at worst.
Tell you what else didn't make sense we seen magnussen being black flagged several times this season very quickly yet perez did 6 laps with his end plate hanging off yet the flag didn't come out. Guarantee of that was magnussen he would have been waved in by lap 3.
Well looking on the onboards and Palmers analasys you can see Alonso turning right, right before the contact. Imo yall are way to harsh on Stroll just because it looked like a major inscident, but in reality the move was so minor and Alonso making misstakes himself.
Maybe we can attach Alonso's mirror that flew to Stroll's car to compensate for his spatial awareness problem
Those massive eye brows got in the way of his vision.
I don’t think you can blame stroll, it was a racing incident and even Alonso said he pulled out to late
Alonso, Vettle and Norris (surprisingly no one is taking about him) were on another level this us gp.
I dont care what anyone tells me. Alonso is the greatest driver to ever grace f1. What he did here at the usa gp is not human. Give this guy a red bull ferrari or even a Mercedes and he wins the championship. Fricking monster
It's crazy to see someone of his age still smashing it at such an elite level. We haven't seen anything like this since Fangio.
@@brett22bt I could not agree with you more buddy.
Makes you realise just how talented Alonso is
To not crash into the wall at all in that type of situation is very rare